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[angela]

i am town just let the game be solved

[angela]

The literal role itself would check it, it's a mailman. That was not a smart check, if real. And yes, yes you could. Are you confirmed town? No, didn't think so.

if you say so, it doesn't matter though, sure it was a bad check then, i can agree if you'd like

to me the game is just solved and it's literally just following the plan

and i don't know what else to do here

other than say

look everyone!!! game solved!!!!!

and then it is like, shrug, just follow plan

like all of my posts from now on are going to be some variant of

follow plan game solved, ya know?

[angela]

and if you don't agree game solved follow plan, then explain why plan bad,

and if why plan bad is 'oh but angela may not be town'

then just ignore your worries about me completely they do not matter because i am town and i would like to win with you here and i do not really wish to have to argue with confirmed town about my own towniness

[angela]

I don't think you realise that it's only solved for you, because you would know your alignment. It is not 100% solved for everybody, including me.

just ignore your worries about me completely they do not matter because i am town and i would like to win with you here and i do not really wish to have to argue with confirmed town about my own towniness

[angela]

and if you don't agree game solved follow plan, then explain why plan bad,

and if why plan bad is 'oh but angela may not be town'

then just ignore your worries about me completely they do not matter because i am town and i would like to win with you here and i do not really wish to have to argue with confirmed town about my own towniness

Solve bad because it isn't a certain solve. Which you are pushing like a child that can only see their own perspective. It's giving me a LOT of pause how manipulative regarding the solve being a full-solve is seeming. You saying that I should just ignore the worries actually is starting to piss me off, why should I not question your towniness when I want to win.

I am not one to get pocketed, and a green-check is one-way. It does not confirm you in the slightest.

okay well i am going to go do something else and maybe check on game everyone once in a while

and if i am eliminated instead of follow plan win game i am not too worried about it as i really have no desire to just say i am town over and over and i also know that that bothers people and it is going to end up going nowhere other than me becoming upset and potentially upsetting others so i am just going to remind everyone that game is solved and take my leave

[angela]

Like hell am I just going to give a player faith that they are Town

angela’s claim is actually weird. A N1/2/3 Tracker? What kind of gating is that?

i do not know why it is designed that way

but i can say with certainty that that is my role

[angela]

VOTE: malcolmtucker

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geraintm is going to check rathe, things remain as outlined to me

[angela]

Surely Geraint will likely be eliminated in the night though? Suppose you can track though, so eliminating me, checking Rathe and also checking Nero may be a reasonable course of action.

if geraintm is eliminated in the night it confirms the game to me, as only nero cain or rathe could possibly be mafia in that situation and we have two eliminations left after today

[angela]

Copying these over for anyone who missed them.

i read them; sorry if feels unfair for you to be eliminated here, course of action already accounts for what if nero cain or rathe mafia and also what if geraintm untruthful

i guess you should probably claim as you and andresvmb are the only who haven't unless i somehow missed them

[angela]

Fair, all seems pretty foolproof. Would have liked to have been around for a town win provided there's not some major twist, but happy for you all to oust me if preferred and let the night actions do the talking. As I say, elimination on me, check on both Rathe and Nero should (hopefully) seal it. Don't think either of you two are lying, nor do I think Andre is.

i do not have any checks left but is not necessary for me to anyway,

i am not lying,

andresvmb is confirmed by geraintm check

as either geraintm is truthful and andresvmb is green checked
or geraintm is untruthful and geraintm is mafia and andresvmb therefore cannot be
same as with jacksonvirgo
both are confirmed in all worlds
and i am town
and rest is accounted for

[angela]

Cool, only worry would be for town if Geraint goes in the night is, how best to differentiate between Nero/Rathe for final mafia? Which was why I'd have felt prolonging D4 might do some good to try and sort between them. But both are taking a similar line on me and I'm town so you might not get much there. Suppose town can have one more miselim after me too and still win on the final turn.

yeah, if you're town and geraintm dies in the night we eliminate one of nero cain/rathe and then the other if necessary

[angela]

VOTE: nero cain

[angela]

@jacksonvirgo

sorry for getting upset

it is okay if you dislike me or how i play or if you think i am bad

i also do not like me and think i am not particularly good at this game

but it is NOT okay to compare me to a child

and if geraintm was mafia there you were quite literally their win condition and it was frustrating to me that you seemed willing to play into that

even still the mafia win condition here is getting the confirmed towns to doubt me

it is difficult for me to pick something to point to and say, see i am town! as to me that is everything i have done throughout the game,

but if i had to pick something it would probably be my interactions with scorpious

so like joint iso me and scorpious and read through that it never ever comes from scum/scum and if you still have questions for me after then i am here and willing to answer and such

like if you need me to walk you through my thought process at any time or anything, just ask

and if you don't want to do that, then please just believe in me here

the solve is {nero cain, rathe}

[angela]

can we just win the game please i don't understand what is happening now

like if either of you still have some issue with me at this point please just talk to me or whatever it is you do to sort someone

otherwise yeah let's just win the game

like geraintm was almost certain i am town, i already had to push to eliminate a mafia that both of you were trying to prevent,

and the game would just look absolutely nothing like this if i were mafia here,

like we eliminate nero cain or rathe

if mafia yay town wins

if town, then the other is mafia

they will nightkill one of you and then predictably say, 'ah i guess it was angela all along' or whatever

and we then we will vote them

and once again, yay town wins

and the only thing that can prevent this is your gathering here

like the mafia can't win the game for the mafia, only town can

and that is exactly what whoever the mafia is here is hoping for as it is their only play

and i am tired and i am frustrated and i would like for the game to be over and i would like for town to win

i don't really understand why it feels so difficult to get us across the finish line here

[angela]

i don't really understand why it feels so difficult to get us across the finish line here

like the series of events you'd have to think were orchestrated for me to be mafia here is completely absurd

like i didn't push scorpious day one and have an extremely draining series of interactions which partly led to scorpious claiming mailman and then push scorpious day two while claiming my check as i did while now thinking scorpious's claim was fake to then fight through everyone to still have scorpious be eliminated and flip as a mailman as mafia i just didn't

and there would have to have been so many of those

when the series of events for nero cain to be mafia are 'voted scorpious when it seemed like would be eliminated but then unvoted when people were battling for scorpious and never revisited'

and for rathe it is slightly more complicated sure but i still do not think it is really comparable

and not only would it be absurd for me to have done those things as mafia,

but i have also done lots of protown things!

like yes i messed up day one already stated i take full responsibility for that and will apologize again to not mafia in post game

but otherwise yeah since start of day two i think i've been maybe not our greatest asset because kittytacky played very very well here and geraintm solved the rest of the game for us

but useful ya know

like i feel like i have been useful here

[angela]

and there would have to have been so many of those

and!! scorpious tried to get me eliminated claiming the message sent to me

and tried to push both me and kittytacky at the beginning of the day before having to change tact because i later in the day claimed kittytacky's friendly neighbour message

when scorpious would have been aware of friendly neighbour if scorpious and i were partnered and thus none of their play would actually make sense

like i said there are just so so so so so so so many of these

[angela]

if scum was in rathe/nero. Killing gerain was kinda useless. But then again, they were dead regardless.

But why over me and andres who were confirmed.

hm,

well mafia!rathe would have to always kill geraintm, right?

because otherwise redchecked and even if wins the one v one today would just be eliminated tomorrow,

like there would be no other path forward

and mafia!nero cain would kill geraintm because otherwise rathe is confirmed, like there would be two confirmeds today regardless, because of the check

so for mafia!nero cain it would be weighing having to eliminate angela/geraintm vs having to eliminate angela/rathe to win

so maybe rathe would have more hard incentive to immediately kill geraintm but nero cain also somewhat incentivized and the 'rathe first tho' sort of thing is kinda what i'd expect here from mafia

though i haven't really been spending much time trying to determine which of the two is actually more likely

[angela]

also mafia!nero cain would have to weigh the chance that geraintm was lying about checking rathe and might instead check nero cain

[angela]

I believe you to be Town primarily because with gerain alive scum!you would have a reason to throw suspicion on gerain for the "too many TI" case I was forming yesterday. Also gerain alive/dead does not matter if scum is outside of gerain/nero/rathe.
I am waiting for Andres to pop in before I want a hammer.

well godfather isn't normal and i am town so scums couldn't have been outside of geraintm/nero/rathe

the roles still don't really make complete sense to me but they are what they are and i am very interested to see the role of the final mafia

[angela]

I am constantly being repulsed by you claiming false logic to seem town. Scum very well could be outside of gerain/nero/rathe.

? how could you or andresvmb be scum here?

[angela]

like i don't understand what logic you are calling false

[angela]

godfather isn't normal like i said and there aren't other options left

[angela]

I am constantly being repulsed by you claiming false logic to seem town. Scum very well could be outside of gerain/nero/rathe.

? how could you or andresvmb be scum here?

Again. You could be scum, you did it once again

to me i cannot be scum

i am town, i said that as part of my statement

that isn't false logic, it is factual

[angela]

well godfather isn't normal and i am town so scums couldn't have been outside of geraintm/nero/rathe

[angela]

That was going to be my message to Angela tonight..

[angela]

thankyou for moderating!

i really like music related themes for normals

The rule on alts felt great and revolutionary to me when designing the setup, but, in practice, it backfired and caused problems for me while modding. I will not reuse it in my next game. I might revisit it in the future, but I promise that I will ensure that no one is taken with it by surprise.

i do not mind the rule but yeah i think it needs to be announced in queue beforehand,

I think this site needs to limit alts…

But that’s way above my pay grade

and if a moderator is reading this for whom this isn't above their pay grade, allowing us to change our names would alleviate this issue at least with regards to me

[angela]

sorry again not mafia

my end of day one was very terrible

(and! you had two of the three mafia correct so i think you may have been being overly humble about others being incorrect about your ability to have accurate reads)