Open 851: Would You Like To Be My Neighbor? | Game Over!

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VOTE: Vex Vience

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Hello! I like the fact that this is still under 1 page (for now…)

Also hey vex, good to see you again

I agree with the expressed thoughts on neighbour-claiming, but when it comes down to it, we are all neighbours, in a way, just some more friendly than others

I kind of like Yeet coming out the gate with the plan to keep neighbourhoods under wraps, so mild townread for that. I also have a verrry light townread on Bella for mentioning the lover version. (I know this sounds weird but I can’t really explain it properly but the logic is there in my head I swear)

Obviously all of this could change at any moment, but it’s a start

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I would say it can all be explained by the zebra in the polka dot dress

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Hello! I like the fact that this is still under 1 page (for now…)

Also hey vex, good to see you again

I agree with the expressed thoughts on neighbour-claiming, but when it comes down to it, we are all neighbours, in a way, just some more friendly than others

I kind of like Yeet coming out the gate with the plan to keep neighbourhoods under wraps, so mild townread for that. I also have a verrry light townread on Bella for mentioning the lover version. (I know this sounds weird but I can’t really explain it properly but the logic is there in my head I swear)

Obviously all of this could change at any moment, but it’s a start

Hi DeasVail, good to play with you again. How do you feel about Vex's addendum to my comment then?

And you as well!

Vex’s addendum is something I agree with, but it doesn’t sway me either way from an alignment perspective. I think there’s something townie about being the first to bring it up, but not for agreeing with it, if that makes sense.

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VOTE: The Bulge

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Apologies. I had a busy day yesterday. Will be back later today

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i agree with others re: bulge but it's not really a strong read

Did you have thoughts on posts Bulge has made since 45?

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thinking about it some more - dv/stranger - what are you seeing in bulge?

What stranger posted in 45 pretty much described what I was feeling, and I still can't actually explain it any better than Stranger did. The "huh?" felt off somehow. It was the sort of tiny little thing that had the potential to bloom into something bigger maybe.

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As a bit of an update on where I'm at, I'm reading Bella, Yeet, Vex as town.

A little less confident in STD, but I have a mild townread there for 59, because I feel like scum would easily be able to come up with a townread there.
Stranger gets points for eerily vibing with what I was thinking, but I don't think I can confidently read that as town necessarily.

I'm still most suspicious of Bulge, but I feel like I'm in "watch and wait" mode atm

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It's true that I probably would have made those exact same posts as scum, so I can't really fault you there

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Actually, DV, can you talk more about bulge?

I'm not massively tr-ing either slot but like...I hadn't noticed the little things that std pointed out .

Hi! So bulge became a bit more concerning to me after the "huh?" with posts like this:

@anyone who voted yeet - mind explaining why you rvs voted yeet

i'd rather not have the game stall out in rvs, so i'm gonna get it started with this

cuz there was already a vote there

why are you asking for reasons behind rvs votes and not for any serious votes?

Vex's post felt like a true attempt to get the game moving, likely out of frustration from the slow start, whereas Bulge's response and follow-up question already feels defensive. The response itself is totally adequate, but the question feels reactionary rather than proactive. I think that scum will more likely feel the need to turn a question back on the asserter.

The questions in 50 and 52 also did not... impress me? My reaction to the posts is very much "okay this sure is a question".

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A question I do have for the bulge atm though is, if you think your wagon is a device for scum, why vote Mala, who was not involved with the wagon?

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Other update is that I read STD as town more strongly than I did before. In the recent game we played together, where STD was scum, his approach to reading me was "sure, town I guess" and this is obviously very different, but also in a way where it feels like he is actually trying to work out my alignment instead of knowing it already.

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And sorry if you were... frustrated that I didn't interact with you/engage

not really

maybe it's just me but i'm having trouble reconciling your words with your vote on me

As for your points against DV, the second one doesn't feel like a stance, frankly. If anything it's avoiding the caution to the wind approach of lolhammering and just... seeing how things play out. I don't think it's egregious. The first quote is more... abstract and words for the sake of it though. Did, in the last game, DV have takes/stances that were more concrete than that?

i dunno it's hard to say, i'd say he was more direct

DV is a master of saying pretty things

it didn't feel like he was saying pretty things in the previous game i just played with him

it feels like he's just trying to say pretty things here

do you think I would also say pretty things as town?

To give a bit of insight into my thoughts, I have often pondered whether my way of playing mafia has become too "serious business" and something I think about is how I can bring a bit more fun to it. I don't think I've really done that here but I suppose my more... interesting wording was a way of being a bit less serious with how I was expressing my thoughts.
The big part of why I think your reasoning is totally sound though is because often I am more... flamboyant (for lack of a better word) as mafia to try and create more of an impression of "looseness" and being relaxed, and my scumplay is very performative.

So yeah I don't know where this is going except that maybe as town I'm actually trying to play a bit more like how I do as scum because that seems more fun?

I don't know, that seems confusing

I am town here though

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tbf I did forget that yeet was in the game

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you cant have your cake and eat it too

Why is it up to you to decide this?

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Fair enough. I’ll willingly go without cake to support the cause!

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also the assertion i havent provided game related content is absurd. i have asked more game-relevant questions than probably anyone. and nobody is trying to engage with me, on or off wagon. feels like my wagon is nothing more than a device for scum to get past a slow-moving D1.

i can't tell if ur being serious about this, and if you are being serious, i want you to re-evaluate where your head is at currently, because it's not right

i dont like this response at all, its vague, feels very dismissive, almost gaslight-y lol like yeesh ok sorry for disturbing the narrative that i provided no content early on. blah

I also was skeptical at the time that you posted that you had asked more game-relevant questions than anyone. Describing Vex's post as gaslight-y is well... more gaslight-y than Vex's post imo

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Vex wagon order is reversed btw

I am also interested in your thoughts on Vex and why you think they are scum?

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I’m not very confident of potential scumreads at all but I don’t really have a better lead than bulge rn?

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Why is bulge town?

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I am here

hm

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I don't really understand the scumreads on Vex

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

gogogo?

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Votecount 1.5

The Bulge

(3): DeasVail, Vex Vience, Save The Dragons

Vex Vience

(3): MegAzumarill, Titus, The Bulge

Malakittens

(1): Bellaphant

Titus

(1): Malakittens

Not Voting

(1): Stranger


With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline ends in: (expired on 2022-05-11 21:43:16).

Bulge is voting Vex I think

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Bulge's fixation on Vex reads stubborn-town to me. Bulge got read as scum, at least partly for the intense focus on Vex and there was no real attempt to change things up to try and be read as town instead. The appeals to get people on their side read as genuine.

Titus, on the other hand, is an external perspective. The read of "the people going after bulge are scum creating noise" does not feel like a real reason, but rather an excuse to read Bulge as town and Vex as scum for the sake of positioning. Titus as scum, coming in an hammering bulge-town does not really help much long-term, and titus-scum would know that they would probably be one of the first slots looked at, so in some ways Titus-scum positionally needs to be on the alternative wagon, even if it doesn't actually make any sense.

I like Stranger's posts intellectually, and feel like there's good logic and reasoning there, but it

probably

could all still come from scum.

Bulge's post about people on the sidelines (Bella in particular) was an exact thought I had as well, but I don't necessarily mind Bella's response to that. I do think it's hard for people to

not

be on the sidelines this game.

If I were to share my reads I think I'd be at something like:

Town

STD
Vex

MegAzumarill
Bulge
Bella

Stranger
Malakittens

Titus

Scum

...or something like that. It feels like it's constantly changing in my head

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titus is in my hood.

yeet has a couple posts and titus has a couple posts, mostly just joking around but nothing of interest

Thanks for letting us know.

This helps quite a bit for me. I feel like Yeet would have been more noteworthy in the hood as town after their enthusiastic entrance in the large normal. Maybe they were just busy idk, but I’m feeling pretty okay with this

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I think Titus-scum means Vex-town and probably bulge-town too tbh.

So it’s one of the rest of you!

Prove your innocence!

Rawr!

(Or idk I don’t really know what to say. I don’t know which of you is scum but maybe I will soon!)

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Bellaphant/Stranger feels like a good lim pool for today at least

What are your thoughts on Mala?

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VOTE: Malakittens

I feel comfortable doing this given the D1 scum flip. My vote is based solely on the (1) post that Malakittens has made in the neighborhood we have, where she stated that she believed the last scum to be in DV/Vex/Bulge given Titus's iso. This is written under the assumption that it's not just Titus's iso.

For DeasVail, I find it fairly hard to believe that someone would believe scum writing this about their partner:

VOTE: Vex

I admit to skimming. I like Bulge Stranger and StD as town.

Major reservations on Mala and Bella

Vex is my first player with a post that pinged me

Meg is gtmh town.

DV is null but I should have an opinion. I just don’t.

Because it is so blaringly obvious in how it's written. Everyone else gets an opinion but... Titus doesn't even lump her partner somewhere else, just shrugs at him says "yeah, no clue what my read is there lol" and goes about her business? That doesn't feel like the read a partner gives another. I find it curious that Mala suspects DV also because of 264, where DV has both myself and Mala as scumreads. I think I might be reading into this part too much but because we're neighbors I wonder if Mala was trying to get me to consider it or something like "Oh, DV is bad, let's get him."

This is... on the tinfoil end of things, though. Because there was literally just the listed partners and no reasoning.

For Vex/Bulge, I can see this making a little more sense. Titus was a lot more thorough in her opinions there, but even then it feels a bit out of the loop. This is actually a point towards Mala being town too, as I think scum might be a little more cognizant of what was going on EOD rather than jumping back to the basic wagons that formed most of D1. But it's still like, well, maybe she doesn't realize that, or wants to drill down on the idea that Titus was bussing/defending a partner and that's why she put in the effort there. If this is the case I lean towards Bulge being the potential partner out of the two, I think that it makes more sense to try and bruteforce through a town!Vex rather than hellbus a scum one. Even then though... eh? Maybe?

I'm aware that Malakittens is relatively inactive in games. However, I asked for an explanation for her reads and didn't get one, so... I feel like I have to put her through the wringer here. I want to know why she thinks those three are most likely to be scum.

My other option for scum right now is Bella, but I feel a lot less strong about that versus Mala, currently.

Also, no one else out their neighborhoods, please.

Thanks Stranger! I know it can feel risky to out a neighbourhood but I think this is helpful.

I hadn’t even really thought about that Titus quote posted regarding reads. I more thought that a world where I as Titus’ scum partner push the wagon as I did would be… very unnecessary. Vex-town is because Titus pushed the vex wagon over the bulge wagon when otherwise vex wouldn’t have been in much danger, however with Titus jumping on there was a real risk of vex being eliminated as compromise. Bulge-probably-town is because I felt that the bulge/Titus banding together was too obvious. They did not even really try to have reasons to townread each other where I think scumbuddies would have been more cognisant of that.

Regarding Bella’s post re: Stranger, I think Stranger was a very viable scum candidate going into this day, but the post on Mala is proactive enough that I’m not going to focus on Stranger-scum

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I have also hydrad with Titus a lot and I can definitely see her lumping her partner in a Null spot

I can also see her trying to push another wagon to save her partner on D1

Hence why those two are on my scum pile

I also believe stranger can potentially be town for that post

Also weekends are bad for me lmao I’m usually on VLA for them lately

The view of the game and analysis seems very surface-level

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Mega is prob town btw

There’s really not a lot of information to be made tbh

This might be true but your scum pool seems to have been determined by the thought of “Titus might do this as scum”, when the fact is, Titus didn’t do very much and based purely on Titus’ posts, pretty much anyone except vex could be scum, yet your reads don’t appear to be based on anything else, from what you’ve said.

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I'm in a place of feeling very unsure about who the last scum is. I'm probably still leaning Mala but I'm not at all certain. Lookng forward to hearing more from you Mala when you get the chance.

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VOTE: malakittens

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There’s also only one scum, so uhh, a lot of town are cool with Mala’s death.

To me these seem like half-hearted attempts to look town, but lacking any sort of consistent thought process or conviction that I would expect from town.

I’m okay with a hammer whenever tbh

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I feel like it’s safe to hammer

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Well done Stranger. Good game