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[Carcalilly]

VOTE: gamma emerald

long time no see to you!

scorpius instawagon is funny

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: gamma emerald

long time no see to you!

scorpius instawagon is funny

Not really.. lol

I have an awful sense of humor. I just liked the bit, take what you can get :p

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: gamma emerald

long time no see to you!

scorpius instawagon is funny

Not really.. lol

I have an awful sense of humor. I just liked the bit, take what you can get :p

Stick with me . I’m a 6 but I’m funny

I'm a simple woman, make me laugh and I'll hop in your pocket.

[Carcalilly]

Scorpious generally reads stilted and I can't say I like it
Feels overly self-conscious which ig townies can be but scum engage in it plenty

/snip

24 and 26 especially feel +town respectively for Scorpious and Carcalilly

Feels to me like you're a bit confused on what to think about scorp. Mind making it clear if you have a lean-read at all? Or are you more the type to throw out everything you're thinking even if its kinda... null?

[Carcalilly]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Honestly, geraintm and unclevanya are easily tied for that title. I'd be down to nuke the scorpious wagon for one of those. I'll even flip a coin.

pedit well you took the words right outta my mouth lmfao

[Carcalilly]

@meuh

So...I have a way if random voting in every single game I play. Scorpious wanted me to break that pattern because they didn't want to go to 4 votes so quickly, but I ain't breaking my method for them. You can call it shutting down the conversation, but my last game had scorpious in it and they know elegantly what I was going to do

You seem overly worried about how you look.

VOTE: Meuh

Hard to say, but not many.. maybe 3 or 4… but there is always some sort of stipulation to his play. He mailed in day 1 last game and was open and honest about it.

Get plays like this all the time. Hard to find it AI, especially so early.. He has… quirks..

How many games have you played with him?

Please tell me this was unintentional

[Carcalilly]

On phone, sorry

ok thank god, I'm all for being quirky when it isn't just awful, lmfao

[Carcalilly]

Last sentence is accurate
I think transparency is key, I throw out a lot of ideas that cross my mind, and sometimes some posts will point towards one thing and some will point towards another, and I'll mention both
I'm not interested in cutting out parts of my thought process, it's both less productive and less transparent, lose-lose for our productivity in solving and for everyone to be able to sort me
Overall I'd say Scorpious' tone overall still makes me lean scum on them, but the specific interaction I pointed out is something I do still find town indicative

I used to play a lot like that actually. I'm pro thought-puking in the thread, as long as you can put up with me questioning what the hell your overall stance is whenever you forget a tldr. :p

Vanya's vote looks worse to me; sure it's earlier but it actually has some merit as an attempt to push the wagon forward
geraintm's isolated vote that doesn't seem to be made as such an attempt looks better to me.
though I think geraintm is scummier than Vanya?

I think the vote post itself looks worse for Vanya but further posts from geraintm muddies their alignment

Like you didn't forget here. Much much better imo

[Carcalilly]

The worst of the votes on you is the guy MM just voted, interestingly enough.

Honestly, geraintm and unclevanya are easily tied for that title. I'd be down to nuke the scorpious wagon for one of those. I'll even flip a coin.

pedit well you took the words right outta my mouth lmfao

Quick reminder that provable randomness not allowed

Then how about I flip a very biased coin?

VOTE: geraintm

Don't feel particularly bad about their posts, but I can at least resonate with vanya for post 60 and post 63

[Carcalilly]

Also... I'm a kitty. Meow.

its a shame, you'd be my top tr if it wasn't for this!

[Carcalilly]

...and why do you resonate with Vanya?
I see those posts as pretty scummy, what makes them town indicative for you?

I think punctuality is productive, especially in spaces that are kinda fluffy. much needed contrast.

I also think its funny that people will blow up their motives for them.

To me, something is is only pro or anti town if someone reads it as such. This is his personal opinion, and he is acting like some mafia matra should be a basis for how the game proceeds. It seems like he is setting up some false basis on how to target players in future posts.

[Carcalilly]

I also think its funny that people will blow up their motives for them.

89 92
I will add these to the gallery.

maybe I'm dumb and can't really see that much in two short sentences. my gut is softly telling me someone is piggybacking off this for hunting creds. I'll get back to you if I ever pinpoint who.

[Carcalilly]

I also think its funny that people will blow up their motives for them.

89 92
I will add these to the gallery.

maybe I'm dumb and can't really see that much in two short sentences. my gut is softly telling me someone is piggybacking off this for hunting creds. I'll get back to you if I ever pinpoint who.

Maybe they are just scumhunting?

While that's true, some things rub me off as forced. Y'all spew "stubborn is subjective!", then two lines later start sprinkling scummotives on top of it anyway. And it's kinda frustrating since a handful of y'all are doing it, cuz that makes it real hard to feel who's actually forcing it. :/

[Carcalilly]

Y'all spew "stubborn is subjective!", then two lines later start sprinkling scummotives on top of it anyway.

It could be an intentional playstyle choice, which I'd actually consider it a town tell if so. Otherwise though I think Vanya could just be frozen scum.

i am hurting lmfao

[Carcalilly]

like idgaf about vanya its just the irony that pains me

This may be a goodplace to look back to on a later day to get a better scope of the players who are speaking now once we have some flips later on.

this is the only hope i have for it honestly. First day wagons are supposed to be reachy anyway ig.

[Carcalilly]

Why does it bother you so much?

its like hearing a faint alarm bell but not knowing where tf its coming from. I mean, yeah im probably overreacting. maybe projecting cuz scum me would hop in on an comfy echo chamber like this in an instant. idk man.

[Carcalilly]

Pretty sure we've never played together, correct?

Correct. This is my first game on ms after leaving for about 3 years.

[Carcalilly]

Question of the day, if a player makes a vote but no one takes it serious. Did that person really make a vote?

Hello, everyone. This is my first game on this forum.

You waited 5 years?
Have you played elsewhere over that time?

I like these posts

This one in particular seems NAI to me, what about it?

[Carcalilly]

Abt moose in general, I couldn't jump on em' too fast for newbposting, but I'd like more substance from that slot.

@FugitiveMoose tell us your thoughts on the game pls, ty.

[Carcalilly]

I can’t wait to see how Vanya reacts to the wagon on them.

I can’t wait to see how andres reacts to the rest of the game!

[Carcalilly]

I kinda like meuh and scorpious as our resident thoughtpukers.

[Carcalilly]

Abt moose in general, I couldn't jump on em' too fast for newbposting, but I'd like more substance from that slot.

@FugitiveMoose tell us your thoughts on the game pls, ty.

All the talk is fluff disguise as being something of substance. Not a scum indicator, just not much to go off of.

So whats your threshold for "real substance"? If nothing anyone has said thus-far counts, than what would?

[Carcalilly]

by the way @crescent, I found it a little odd how you still haven't placed a vote on anyone despite having shared several intuitions. Is there a reason for this?

[Carcalilly]

UNVOTE:

hmm

[Carcalilly]

With Vanya effectively holding the game hostage through inactivity right now, I feel it's pretty well pointless to be placing a vote on anyone. Of course if he tries to idle out, he dies.

As it stands, he is currently the only person I would vote right now, until he reappears to respond to the pressure and provide content.

I feel like vanya isn't the only one guilty of this, tho. maybe they're the greatest offender, but moose and andres are sort of in the same boat to me. I had assumed you agreed considering your comments on them.

[Carcalilly]

by the way @crescent, I found it a little odd how you still haven't placed a vote on anyone despite having shared several intuitions. Is there a reason for this?

I haven’t placed one either and feel I’ve been sharing as well..
Is that also odd?
Nobody has earned my vote yet.

You have, but you've been less intense, if that makes sense? Like I didn't sense you having as particularly strong scumreads. So I didn't expect it from you as much.

[Carcalilly]

Yeah, that's what an OMGUS is, it means you'd rather attack your attacker rather than genuinley scumhunt.

This is high-key discrediting.

[Carcalilly]

I like the reaction you've been pushing crescent but tbh I would've much rather seen it from vanya instead.

[Carcalilly]

I don't like Vanya letting others fight his battles for him.

Like, I agree mm's hill was awful. But I agree with this too.

[Carcalilly]

Your comments feels more like town brownie points attention than substance.

Your comments feel more like excuses for your behavior than activity.

[Carcalilly]

The join date says 08’.
The play says otherwise.
Unless it’s intentional..

Maybe it's the veteran-idgaf-curse.

I wouldn't actually know, tho.

[Carcalilly]

I have played on another forum, but this is my first time here. I have never played with any of you before. The other forum, mafia was just a sub-thread. My question of the day was mentioned was an ice breaker. The fact that some of you got deeply offended by my outrageous scum tell play (sarcasm, is just laughable. Hopefully, we can now move onto everyone's joke vote analysis

Trying to build a case out of that is showing vote hungriness, and those who partake are blinded by the fact that your desire for a elimination let you think an simple introduction is scummy.

Day one IS the most tiring day to be active in and add this precious advancement... Someone quote the number 5 most advancing statement about THIS game (not mafia), and see how much it really adds.

Regardless of MM vote on me, I would have to agree on his views

My bad feeling side is dwlee mainly because their focus seems to jump around a little quick. Not saying scummy, just bad feeling side, that is all.

back when I played mafia on other forums, coming here for the first time I was awful at the game because I never properly realized how peculiar people were with their casing, manipulation and just overall psych play. People will build a case out of anything. On Day1 specifically it's usually done to push the game forward, get more out there. It's a good thing, usually.

elims are as valuable, if not more valuable than nightkills since theres a wagon to analyze postflip.

I agree that day1 can feel like a headless chicken chase, but its when people are most fresh into the game, and when people take risks to push it forward. Theres a difference in player value between being low-effort, and primarily putting effort into explaining why you don't put much at all in terms of the game.

[Carcalilly]

im very softly hoping andres will come back a lil later and provide something like they seem to be promising, so I don't mind waiting a few more days on that.

[Carcalilly]

im very softly hoping andres will come back a lil later and provide something like they seem to be promising, so I don't mind waiting a few more days on that.

You're waiting on one player?

Forgot I'm not telepathic. That's my reason for not wanting to hop on an andres wagon yet, so I'm mainly looking at you and moose.

[Carcalilly]

Yeah it's been pretty dead overall. I would support Ger, Moose, or Andres wagons at this point.

Interesting. It's almost if Monkey knows what I am struggling with.

??? elaborate

[Carcalilly]

I don’t see what would motivate a town player to attempt to defend another in such a way

I felt this highkey with Crescent basically fighting mm for vanya. Kept sorts quiet about it because it just felt like she got ahead of herself, idk.

[Carcalilly]

If you want shit to happen then push your preferred wagon. Either that or compromise onto a different wagon for now. No one's gonna generate content in this game state unless there's a chance somebody might actually die soon.

convinced me tbh.

VOTE: fugitivemoose

[Carcalilly]

I think scum want to slow the game down.

Who do you find guilty of this?

My personal answer: Too many people that they can't all be scum.

...Which is what makes it more annoying.

welcome to my world

[Carcalilly]

Actually yknow what,
VOTE: Moose
Maybe this'll help with activity

Moose is being replaced. There's no point voting there right now

Player replacement doesn't change the slot alignment. I hope the replacement is quick to give us some insight on if moose was scum or just newbtown

[Carcalilly]

I don’t like the moose wagon right now and I’m almost assured there is at least one scum there right now.

I'm generally adverse to lurker wagons as well, but looking at the posts of all the viable wagons, minus my comment about waiting a tad for andres, it's really the only place worth throwing down a vote. And not throwing down a vote at all at this point feels like a sitting duck.

[Carcalilly]

I gave the reason I dislike it just now: I think it's an easy possible distraction from Andres doing even less than that slot has. I'm not sure he's ever given a serious reason.

If andres doesn't deliver I will be riding his wagon into the sunset happily, don't get me wrong. I'm going with a worse of two evils atm.

[Carcalilly]

scorps recent posts have been quite a clusterfuck all of a sudden. busy these upcoming weeks so I'll throw down a self reminder to read them properly at some point.

[Carcalilly]

also crescent, in my head the andres and moose wagon are on the same wavelength. I was on moose mainly because there wasn't as much of an implication of playing the game eventually. What about andres makes you prefer his elim?

[Carcalilly]

I'd like to also +1 the full hood claim.

[Carcalilly]

I'd like to also +1 the full hood claim.

Disagree. Why though?

Softly for reasons people have already stated, just to help other PRs. I don't particularly see what scum could gain from knowing the members since it's not conftown anyway.

[Carcalilly]

also crescent, in my head the andres and moose wagon are on the same wavelength. I was on moose mainly because there wasn't as much of an implication of playing the game eventually. What about andres makes you prefer his elim?

Two reasons.

Andres' only bullet point of activity is a vote on MM that piggybacked off of my pressure, but he made no attempt to add pressure himself. That iffy vote is his only "content" of the game.

What raises the paranoia flags though, is he somehow went from 3 votes to 0 after not making a post in like two days, and it started feeling like he was kind of being ignored.

Yeah, I get that, but my main question is still why you prefer an andres wagon over moose, since they're pretty much the same in terms of "content".

And I think everyone just kinda piped up and threw votes down once we realized the game was slowing down. It seems to have worked in reviving it.

[Carcalilly]

I actually got decently okay vibes from Vanya on 60, and I wasn’t particularly impressed with MM’s attack there because of it. Which is why I said I would hold my tongue until I saw Vanya’s reaction. I agree with Crescent’s most recent analysis, and I so heavily dislike complaining about OMGUS that I am willing to put this vote down for now.

The attack that I’m lurking is also kind of silly but whatever. I haven’t been like super active but I did express my views so you can always just ask questions if you want to understand them better.

Like, to me it just seems like he's waiting for stuff to happen before commenting on it. Which I agree is kinda lazy and not too great, but I feel like it's be worth keeping him around for the possibility that something catches his interest enough that he'll play into it. The promise to answer questions is out in the open right here, it just kinda depends on when he'll log into the game lmfao

I have played on another forum, but this is my first time here. I have never played with any of you before. The other forum, mafia was just a sub-thread. My question of the day was mentioned was an ice breaker. The fact that some of you got deeply offended by my outrageous scum tell play (sarcasm, is just laughable. Hopefully, we can now move onto everyone's joke vote analysis

Trying to build a case out of that is showing vote hungriness, and those who partake are blinded by the fact that your desire for a elimination let you think an simple introduction is scummy.

This just felt like a diss-track to everyone trying to push the game forward. I can't tell if it's just because he's unfamiliar with how people play on this site, but it reeks antitown regardless. I'll change my mind if the replacement is significantly better.

I'm not trying to "ignore" andres or discredit the wagon, I just cannot wrap my head around the logic of hating the moose wagon when you're riding the same wave with an arguably less antitown player.

[Carcalilly]

Also Crescent you need a pfp!

preferably a cute anime girl

I tried putting one up of a cat but it decided not to work and I was like whatever.

Maybe it's a good thing. I might be biased against you...

because I'm a mouse. Squeek!

For reals though, it was probably the image size. Just resize it :p

[Carcalilly]

Ok wait actually that's weird as heck

UNVOTE:

I'll wait.

[Carcalilly]

I'm really struggling to understand what you're trying to say scorp. What purpose does cryptic posts serve?

[Carcalilly]

You weren't kidding about the psychosis eh?

[Carcalilly]

It's not that they're defending themselves it's the way they are defending themselves.

I'm actually gonna have to agree with this. My least favorite part of scorpius' reaction was the cryptic statements that served as a confusing softclaim or a herring distraction. As well as the flat out refusal to engage Titus. The only reason I can fathom just refusing something like that, is if you didn't want to risk slipping up any more.

[Carcalilly]

have some busy things going on today and (maybe?) tomorrow but my elim pool atm is (mm, scorpius, moose)

[Carcalilly]

ok, im out of a computer for like a week and a half, i don't wanna blockpost with quotes on a phone because it's way too easy to get formatting screwed. if anyone wants any point clarified with quotes ask me directly. these are kinda in-order from p23.

Spoiler:

I think scorpius should stay on the elim table for the next few days, but not Day 1. With the softclaim, if they're telling the truth, they should be either able to prove it or be NK'd within the next few nights most likely. As long as it doesn't fall under the radar, I dont believe this slot would survive past Day 3.

The quickness of Roden to push the claim was surprising, I didnt particularly think he'd be so blatant, but I feel like it was obvious and this is a more towny jump of the gun, mainly because of the following thought processes. There seems to be no scum oriented motive.

Gamma has clearly been out of this game, and im hesitant to call that AI at all. Most of his posts are just sideline thoughts, which sort of feel like he's trying to stay in the game without actually engaging at a deep level. This could be blatantly scummy or just a complete apathy for the Day 1 scramble. I'm expecting a little bit more from him lategame, and I'm keen to keep an eye on his opinions on flips.

Italiano's catch up is solid and greatly increased the town equity of the slot. The slot was null-lean-scum for me beforehand, but it's a huge imrpovemet to have one less questionable lurker player. I feel like he's made a proper effort to draw engagements from players who needed it, which feels like it has proactive sorting motives.

Dwlee kinda felt a lot like Gamma for me, basically lurking but throwing surface thoughs here and there enough to be technically playing the game. I kind of ignored him because, again, I expected more lategame, and there were better elim candidates in the air. While his posts aren't substantial they aren't particularly pingy to me.

Gonna throw down here that theres like no chance in my mind that Italiano/Crescent are s/s. Both have good town equity already, and I'm pretty confident its t/t, but on the complete offchance one of them flips scum it'd be borderline conft for the other. Their interactions are far too dynamic.

MM just kinda pops in and throws shade without context or elaboration, lol. I don't blame the instawagon at all.

Meuh's post was super wish-washy. On one hand I'm sorta expecting it from this thought-puke playstyle slot, and on the other hand it feels to me like she hasn't made any concrete reads. The washyness feels like fluff, like shes attempting to sort people without actually sorting people. I'd like to see a more concrete and proper readlist from her at some point.

geraintm does not sit well with me at all. Obviously PRs should avoid mentioning they're a PR all together? Being honest about where your suspicions lie isn't pointless... and a softly hypocritical comment. A vote off a wagon for someone voting off a wagon?

Meuh's reaction and reasoning for the vote is solid. Could've been done with way sooner when actually making the vote, but I see the proactive motivation for attempting to roll a counter wagon.

MM's thought process on Italiano is mad confusing. Some examples and elaborations to his claims would be nice but at this point I'm not really expecting anything from there.

I can throw my agreement with the dwlee/MM being s/s, softly think that one of them fliping scum would slightly increase the equity of the other slot. Primarily due to the lack of interaction.
Ok nvm that statement above I literally typed that all out right before reading dwlee vote MM. Could be a bus to save his own ass after being called out, or throw gamma into his place in pressure, but im feeling way less sure.

Crescent's 'out of the blue' comment is odd to me considering gamma isnt the only one who's done this. I expect these random flimsy read statements from him anyway so that might cloud me with bias.

MM's comments kinda devolved from having any attempt in playing the game anymore. On one hand I'd expect D1 scum to fight more for their life, but there's nothing town about these statements either.

Scorp joining the wagon without wanting to throw out an actual read on MM is questionable. I can get wanting to advance the game, but that's also an easy ticket reason for being excluded from post-wagon analysis.

MM's mad tunnel on Italiano make me inclined to believe they're s/t.

Scorp's post on geraint's playstyle is the only one I can really resonate with as of late. I feel like he's been deliberately antagonistic, and I guess it could be meta-muddying but it's bad enough I'm throwing down a scumread.

Moose giving solid reasoning for voting dwlee improves his equity somewhat.

Dwlee confirming being more of a late game player has me softly against his elim for now. If given the chance and still rolling bad, then I'd be far more confident that they're scum. Atm I feel like theres a lack of information on this slot, partially due to the technical lurking.
I also agree with his reattention to scorpius. I'm still against scorp being the D1 elim for PR reasons I stated beforehand. I feel like an MM or geraint elim would be better, with MM being the more likely/informative of the two.

Dwlee's uptick in activity and post value is interesting enough to be noted.

Cresent has a solid point about scorpius' inconsistent thought process. I like the little equity %, and I'm curious of everyone she had above 50%.

Scorps defensive point don't convince me much. Ego is usually NAI.

I want more elaboration on the scorp town read from dwlee.

There's actually a solid point from scorp on Crescent's lack of a vote. Not sure if crescent just treats votes oddly, but im really not too worried about a quickhammer either. Usually a hammer with a few hours left in the day is completely normal.

geraint's calling himself bad softly feels like excuses/setting up a get away card. Ive also been historically awful at ms, but after my haitus, im using this game to try to get better. Being bad shouldn't excuse scummy/deliberate water-muddying behavior.

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

[Carcalilly]

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

[Carcalilly]

Actually I think MM is E-2

correct. sorry I should've announced.

[Carcalilly]

Oh look, the same reads everyone else has.
I like the suspicion on geraintm, that part does stick out.
Agreed on ego being NAI, I think that was a weak point from Scorpious.

Either this scum team's glaringly obvious and I'm missing the mark, or there's something sketchy going on with how half of the players have the same takes on most things. I guess we'll see, ego aside I hope I get proven wrong

Blatantly scummy players will be pointed out as blatantly scummy. I like playing devil's advocate for the stirr in discussion only if there's a legitimately good reason, but now there isn't really one, and it's def not the time for it considering we have like 2 days left. We can do a hefty postflip analysis :p

[Carcalilly]

these crescent votes are awful

[Carcalilly]

scorp wtf

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: scorpius

let this just kinda fall off the radar.

[Carcalilly]

So, please enlighten me in each of your own words how Roden being nk’d affected or didn’t affect your reads on me.

I figured that if Roden was a pr-hunt kill, you'd most likely be the one to suspect it, seeing your interactions

[Carcalilly]

Geraintm I feel like I keep seeing you say things you need to do and then never you doing them

Weekends are bad times for me. Prod me Monday to do stuff

And yet people are in here asking what I’m not dead.

I engage and am almost always read as scum. Ger does this every game and people are like “cool, I’m good with that”.

Very frustrating

Don't get me wrong I don't like geraint's play either. I just feel like my read on him is less concrete and more theoretical.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Scorpious
Getting vibe the PR thing is total BS

So I’m at E-2?

Is announcing even a thing anymore?

UNVOTE:

As much as I want you gone, we still have a lot of time to not waste

[Carcalilly]

Assuming your not today's elim scorp, I'd be willing to wait for N2. If you're legit, you could prove it.

[Carcalilly]

Spoiler:

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

I vote for people I want dead. Simple.

[Carcalilly]

Assuming your not today's elim scorp, I'd be willing to wait for N2. If you're legit, you could prove it.

How is Scorpious gonna prove he is a jailkeeper?

I'd rather give it a chance, because slim chance is better than no chance imo. Best case scenario is he's a town jk and miraculously blocks a NK, worst case scenario he's some kind of scum JK/RB and the factional kill goes through like normal. I see little to loose besides possibly letting scum live for one more day, which is an easy fix D3.

[Carcalilly]

I admit, i hate this playstyle. trailing votes in advance, pointing out multiple places you could go and then wait, but nowhere near enough for me to give them enough scum equity to want to vote for them.
right now, i don't want to vote anyone, but caraclily is in the posistion where i am watching their votes and see when and where they appear on wagons.

I think you misinterpret. I vote for people when I want them gone, but I'll wait if I believe there could be more information given before any definitive action. I'll let my intentions be known since there's no reason to be non-transparent. Is there a problem with waiting if there's time?

[Carcalilly]

Your read on me is lazy

To be fair, my reads are also a bit lazy but I think you should be less okay with that than I am

Im used to lazy reads on me becoming full blown wagons..

I’m so indifferent at this point .

MM moment

[Carcalilly]

Is that based on my previous slot

yea and you haven't done much except say something to soft defend scorpious

I literally just replaced in.

VOTE: dwlee

Either scum or ultra wagoned town.

???

moose posted like scum

you replaced in and in half a day all you did was soft defend scorpious

Why should I not scumread you? Did you do anything townie?

ngl this logic seems fair

VOTE: dwlee
I agree there feels like there's an agenda present

What's your interpretation of the thought process?

[Carcalilly]

I don't really see a scorp/titus s/s cuz iirc they've been tunneling eachother quite a bit.

[Carcalilly]

I don't really see a scorp/titus s/s cuz iirc they've been tunneling eachother quite a bit.

Yeah I saw Roden’s claim and I thought Scorpious is probably town. I just hate that Titus vote.

What do you make of Titus?

Mixed. Two things that stand out to me are the hood claim and the hard scorp tunneling. Being first to claim the hood felt kinda ballsy to me. Still don't understand why she was so against the full hood claim.
The tunneling is concerning, though I'm seeing the same deal from dwlee. I can't fathom scorp being partnered with either, so my instinct is telling me that dwlee/titus are T if scorp flips S. Im open to the alternative T!scorp and S!dwlee/titus, but I trust that way less.

[Carcalilly]

Spoiler:

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

I vote for people I want dead. Simple.

Who do you want dead Carcalily?

[Scorp, Geraint, JV] is my pool at this moment in time.

[Carcalilly]

Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

[Carcalilly]

Carca's Day 2 activity has been pinging me. And then not saying much when she does post.

Clarify, activity as in post material or frequency?

[Carcalilly]

I don't really see a scorp/titus s/s cuz iirc they've been tunneling eachother quite a bit.

Yeah I saw Roden’s claim and I thought Scorpious is probably town. I just hate that Titus vote.

What do you make of Titus?

Mixed. Two things that stand out to me are the hood claim and the hard scorp tunneling. Being first to claim the hood felt kinda ballsy to me. Still don't understand why she was so against the full hood claim.
The tunneling is concerning, though I'm seeing the same deal from dwlee. I can't fathom scorp being partnered with either, so my instinct is telling me that dwlee/titus are T if scorp flips S. Im open to the alternative T!scorp and S!dwlee/titus, but I trust that way less.

Why do you trust that way less?

I don’t think even night JK is a particularly scummy claim. Especially with things like watcher, tracker, (if he did the kill) PT cop/regular cop could guilty him.

There’s tons of others I am omitting from this list but I think if Scorpious was scum I think bussing him for cred would have been attempted or a stronger push. Here scum aren’t getting longevity from the claim unless scum were townread from D1 which again points to a Titus or similar type player. I just don’t buy Scorpious scum.

More than likely I think Titus scum keeps Scorpious around to hope Scorpious blocks a PR.

Primarily because I can understand the tunnel coming from a stubborn town perspective, while I'm struggling to find a town perspective in the manner in which scorp was claiming yesterday. The softing with barley a wagon, trying to take back the soft, then full claiming immediately the next day just feels odd. They've been finnicky about it as if they were unsure about their own role.

The JK claim/crumb threw me for a bit of a loop. I'd say it's the only reason why I feel less confident pushing that elim today.

[Carcalilly]

Spoiler:

So, we went from

VC1.9
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
MonkeyMan576 (2): Andresvmb, Roden
Andresvmb (2): Crescent, Dwlee99
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Titus (1): Scorpious
geraintm (1): Uncle Vanya

to VC10

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden
FugitiveMoose (2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh
ItalianoVD (2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

addition of Italiano and Crescent to the MM wagon

then next was Dwlee

VC12

MonkeyMan576 (3): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Dwlee99 (3): Meuh, Gamma Emerald, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (2): Titus, MonkeyMan576
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): Scorpious

Crescent and Roden gone, replaced by Carcalily

and the final was

MonkeyMan576 (7): ItalianoVD, Dwlee99, Carcalilly, Crescent, Scorpious, Uncle Vanya, Gamma Emerald HAMMERED
Dwlee99 (2): Meuh, FugitiveMoose
Scorpious (1): Titus
Meuh (1): geraintm
Crescent (1): MonkeyMan576

Only VC today is

Votecount 2.1

Endless Migration (2009) - HotAirRaccoon

Scorpious

(3): Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, Titus

Uncle Vanya

(1): Meuh

Not Voting

(7): FugitiveMoose, ItalianoVD, geraintm, Scorpious, Crescent, Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning

with the overlap between the Scorpious push and yesterday being Carcalily and the Gamme hammer

while the deadline is close, id rather see what MM has to say, and for an official votecount before placing my vote anywhere.

I'm sure you will

VOTE: monkey

So, i am deeply suspicious of Carcalily, their vote on Scorpious today is...?

I vote for people I want dead. Simple.

Who do you want dead Carcalily?

[Scorp, Geraint, JV] is my pool at this moment in time.

Bad pool imho.

You’d be pushing JV here unless you believe in a 4 player hood is all town which is like uhm no?

So why push Scorpious over JV seems self serving

And Ger was a top wagon earlier

This feels a who can I elim versus who is scum. Unsure if it’s worth a rule of three on it.

JV is one of my "this slot isn't really pingy, but has done nothing in particular that proves them to be town" impressions. I'm kind of meh about the hood bc I'd rather look for scum in actual scumplays than ponder about the statistics of randomly assigned roles.

[Carcalilly]

Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

So you’d jail excusively probably town in your eyes?

Damn this is a race for who is scummiest between you and Titus.

I'm more confident in guessing who scum would target than guessing who is scum, tbh.

[Carcalilly]

JV is one of my "this slot isn't really pingy, but has done nothing in particular that proves them to be town" impressions. I'm kind of meh about the hood bc I'd rather look for scum in actual scumplays than ponder about the statistics of randomly assigned roles.

It's a 4 person hood. There's scum in it

I'm aware that it's highly probable but I can't justify it turning into a top reason for me to scumread someone.

[Carcalilly]

Picking 1 out of 4 vs 1 out of 11.

Take your pick.

Sure it's 1/4? 0/4? 2/4? Does everyone get instatown'd if you hit one in there? Does it turn into 1/3 if you hit a townie?

[Carcalilly]

It isn't 0/4 scum in the hood. It's at least one. I have to read context of the game to gauge the instatown'd but I'd say not conf-town by any means. It would indeed turn 1/3 if we hit a green.

3/11 and 1/4 are so unbelievably close I don't think it matters that much. Sure we'll probably hit one in there, but there's no need to nuke it.

[Carcalilly]

Carca's Day 2 activity has been pinging me. And then not saying much when she does post.

Clarify, activity as in post material or frequency?

Both. Feels like you have the game figured out or you like where the gamestate is and are not trying to do anything to change it.

Frequency has slightly to do with the fact that I'm still not home. Material wise, my reads shift little because little has happened to make them change. I'm not a player that can play devil's advocate just for the hell of it, but I will when I feel it's actually necessary.

[Carcalilly]

Question to everyone:

Who would you jail tonight if you were me?

Italiano / Crescent

So you’d jail excusively probably town in your eyes?

Damn this is a race for who is scummiest between you and Titus.

I'm more confident in guessing who scum would target than guessing who is scum, tbh.

I’ve had good sense in the past with trying to block scum kills but in a general sense I would say it’s easier to use JK as a doctor than as a roleblocker.

I honestly would use it either on a scumread I couldn’t get elimmed or on a TR who isn’t a PR read.

If they are a TR and a PR I wouldn’t jail them unless I was super desperate on scumreads and had no other TRs because then you’re denying a PR and you’re not using the invest half of the PR as well and you’re denying the PR the chance to function.

There’s a few possibilities
Jail someone who did the kill / the victim >> yay!
Jail someone who didn’t do the kill/victim and isn’t a PR with feedback >> Hooray claim that at some point before death
Jail someone who didn’t do the kill/victim and is someone you TR and is a PR >> their feedback is gone and your ability to filter a null read is gone. You better be Damn sure about it if you block a person and they are a TR that they’re vanilla or not acting that night.

What does jailing a neighbor do? Makes them unkillable at the cost of not talking in a PT for like, 2 days?

[Carcalilly]

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

[Carcalilly]

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

Given the narrow scope of > 80% odds of a scum in the hood I would rather elim in the hood and jail outside of it.

We either hit scum and likely temporarily soft clear some players or we hit town and then can use these results towards finding the scum in the hood.

It’s hard to follow why you wouldn’t want to poke at me or JV or Italiano?

Is it because you’re scum with Titus?

Like, be my guest clearing that out, I won't cry over a Titus or JV elim. It feels redundant to explain indifference. I'll throw my pokes in if someone in there gives me a reason I care enough about to, cuz rn I'd feel like dart throwing.

[Carcalilly]

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

Given the narrow scope of > 80% odds of a scum in the hood I would rather elim in the hood and jail outside of it.

We either hit scum and likely temporarily soft clear some players or we hit town and then can use these results towards finding the scum in the hood.

It’s hard to follow why you wouldn’t want to poke at me or JV or Italiano?

Is it because you’re scum with Titus?

Like, be my guest clearing that out, I won't cry over a Titus or JV elim. It feels redundant to explain indifference. I'll throw my pokes in if someone in there gives me a reason I care enough about to, cuz rn I'd feel like dart throwing.

And why aren’t you trying to resolve that indifference? The whole point of being town is scumhunting.

Why aren’t you doing more to make it not dart throwing? Asking questions or examining relationships?

Poking me as I am in the hood, asking Italiano things?

How do you scumhunt? Do you have a town game?

My meta is approx 3 years old, gl finding anything in there. But, from what I remember, I've never been a big poker. More of a thoughtpuker.

That, and I've had my focus on other dynamics. The fact that the hood had like 4 lurkers made it real easy to forget about lmao. I don't think anyone else besides you has brought it up like this, at least for a while.

[Carcalilly]

I wish you were in the hood Carca because I really, really think you’re scum.

viewtopic.php?p=11227707#p11227707

This is town you. You say not to point out crumbs

I felt like you'd pull out the 3 year meta anyway, lmfao.

Scorp "crumbed", nobody called it out. Scorp "softclaimed" so blatantly I don't think it could've been taken back or thrown under any radar, so I fail to see the comparison.

[Carcalilly]

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

Given the narrow scope of > 80% odds of a scum in the hood I would rather elim in the hood and jail outside of it.

We either hit scum and likely temporarily soft clear some players or we hit town and then can use these results towards finding the scum in the hood.

It’s hard to follow why you wouldn’t want to poke at me or JV or Italiano?

Is it because you’re scum with Titus?

Like, be my guest clearing that out, I won't cry over a Titus or JV elim. It feels redundant to explain indifference. I'll throw my pokes in if someone in there gives me a reason I care enough about to, cuz rn I'd feel like dart throwing.

And why aren’t you trying to resolve that indifference? The whole point of being town is scumhunting.

Why aren’t you doing more to make it not dart throwing? Asking questions or examining relationships?

Poking me as I am in the hood, asking Italiano things?

How do you scumhunt? Do you have a town game?

My meta is approx 3 years old, gl finding anything in there. But, from what I remember, I've never been a big poker. More of a thoughtpuker.

That, and I've had my focus on other dynamics. The fact that the hood had like 4 lurkers made it real easy to forget about lmao. I don't think anyone else besides you has brought it up like this, at least for a while.

I am not the first person in the game to discuss scum in the hood wth?

I didn't say that. Reread.

Last time there was hood theoretics it was in D1 twilight, page 34. Mixed views. Saw the reasoning in both sides.

[Carcalilly]

I wish you were in the hood Carca because I really, really think you’re scum.

viewtopic.php?p=11227707#p11227707

This is town you. You say not to point out crumbs

Damn I have no memory of that game
Town clearly sucked tho looking at the op lol

We were masons, man... </3

[Carcalilly]

I'm really struggling to understand what you're trying to say scorp. What purpose does cryptic posts serve?

No you fished Scorpious.

C’mon.

And look more fence sitting.

Move off the damn fence.

Or, asking for elaboration /w benefit of doubt. Which was really needed with that dumpsterfire of posts.

[Carcalilly]

I'm really struggling to understand what you're trying to say scorp. What purpose does cryptic posts serve?

No you fished Scorpious.

C’mon.

And look more fence sitting.

Move off the damn fence.

Or, asking for elaboration /w benefit of doubt. Which was really needed with that dumpsterfire of posts.

Yes these posts were. I am demonstrating you’re incapable of hunting. You can’t get off the fence or make an effort to as it’s spew. I am going to let the thread breathe though.

By your standards I'd say you, italiano and crescent are the only proactive "hunters". Sorry if I don't live up to that spontaneously-drill-everyone standard.

Don't think I've ever played with you but I've definitely heard a thing here and there. Nice to finally see you blaze a thread in person

[Carcalilly]

ItalianoVD - old Andres. Andres I had a huge problem with. Italino is a bit better. Still feel better than I did before. Lean tiwn.
geraintm - Goal to reread to sort.
Gamma Emerald - problem with the hammer. Better today. Goal to sort.
Meuh - Strong town. Leader in producing content.
Scorpious - Obvious Scum.
Mathblade - Strong town lean. It would solifidy if I saw some scumhunting not contingent upon scum in hood.
Titus - me
Uncle Vanya - Was strong town because sole activity in hood. Dipped now bc low activity. Worried they took advantage.
Crescent - I don't remember them.
Dwlee99 - Strong town. Solid analysis.
Carcalilly - I felt strong town yesterday. Don't like fencesitting. Math is right there.

Italiano obvTown from the hood.
G in the PoE
Gamma if you all don’t see this is Gamma town I have faith that you’ll eventually see there’s no smoke behind any of the pushes and they are all bad. Gamma is very likely town like almost no case could convince me otherwise and anyone pushing them short of an IC I will push back on.
Meuh null read and could be scum but considering the TRs I am okay leaving them alone for a bit.
Scorpious lmao lynchbait. Like almost my entire PoE is there versus talking about scum in the hood.
Me the towniest town to ever town. I should say it twice. The Towniest town to ever town.
Titus isn’t even trying I am Uncle Vanya. ObvScum. Completely ignored JV in her readwall
Crescent read being null is the only thing I agree on.
Dwlee Solid analysis? They didn’t even notice you forgot a player. Puhlease.

Titus or Dwlee or Carca should be the elim but I strongly prefer Titus.
Do NOT elim Scorpious at ALL

I have to work.

And we should be elimming in the hood today.

Enlighten me on what makes you TR Gamma and Scorp?

[Carcalilly]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

[Carcalilly]

As I said earlier Gamma doesn’t make that hammer as scum. Claims Gamma would are false.

I don’t see scum!Scorpious coming up with a claim strategy like that with tons of ways that could backfire as scum.

Was it the fact that it was a D1 hammer, or is it the way he did it? Like, does he just not hammer in general as scum? Because iirc the MM wagon was way past it's end at that point, it was the last day or two and everyone was expecting it so it wasn't that big of a deal imo.

The highest point of strategy in scorp's claim was the "crumb". The rest of it was a mess. The whole disparity of saying they've never crumbed on this site makes me believe they wouldn't do it as town or scum.

Town!scorp narrative would be they crumbed purposefully for the very first time this game, probably with intention to use it when claiming, screwing up the softclaim for ??? reason, survives a NK and only then finally decided to use the crumb placed.
Scum!scorp narrative would be scrambling to imply TPR to save from the pressure, then fake the crumb with first letters of completely arbitrarily numbered posts. Like if it was every xth post I would have no doubts it wasn't just convenience.

I'm low-key occam's razoring this.

[Carcalilly]

Math has already gone over his TR on me pretty substantially
Feels like there’s ulterior motive to that question Carcalilly

Most of it has been metagaming. Idk how many games y'all have played with eachother but I'd prefer this game specifically reasons, so ones I'd actually understand.

That hammer is so scummy scum never does it.

Scorpious’s play is something scum doesn’t do.

My reasons have been in this game.

Maybe I'm stupid but I don't get why you find the hammer scummy. Because if it was THAT scummy I wouldn't expect you to be the first one to call it out. Like I can't remember anyone else calling it out like that.

[Carcalilly]

As I said earlier Gamma doesn’t make that hammer as scum. Claims Gamma would are false.

I don’t see scum!Scorpious coming up with a claim strategy like that with tons of ways that could backfire as scum.

Was it the fact that it was a D1 hammer, or is it the way he did it? Like, does he just not hammer in general as scum? Because iirc the MM wagon was way past it's end at that point, it was the last day or two and everyone was expecting it so it wasn't that big of a deal imo.

The highest point of strategy in scorp's claim was the "crumb". The rest of it was a mess. The whole disparity of saying they've never crumbed on this site makes me believe they wouldn't do it as town or scum.

Town!scorp narrative would be they crumbed purposefully for the very first time this game, probably with intention to use it when claiming, screwing up the softclaim for ??? reason, survives a NK and only then finally decided to use the crumb placed.
Scum!scorp narrative would be scrambling to imply TPR to save from the pressure, then fake the crumb with first letters of completely arbitrarily numbered posts. Like if it was every xth post I would have no doubts it wasn't just convenience.

I'm low-key occam's razoring this.

Scum scorp if fake claiming woulda likely been guiltied by now.

I very highly doubt this is Scorpious scum. Considering the fact you sheeped gamma a scumread onto the wagon. Dwlee sheeped your bad/fake reads and Dwlee is good enough to call out you missed a player and that’s like the whole wagon.

Carca isn’t even with you but is saying things like Occam’s razor when the simplest explanation is Gamma hammered because Gamma thought it was right and the time and Scorpious is just bad town.

If you need that many words it’s not Occam’s razor.

Guilty'd? Like investigated?

Dwlee and I didn't "sheep" anyone. I think the thread has it clear that we both had our own motives. I even voted before gamma, so either I'm completely misinterpreting what you're saying, or you have the entire narrative wrong.

I'm pretty damn sure it can be played either way. Gamma hammered because the day was over, sure. I fail to see how it's as AI as you make it out to be. Scorpious is flailing scum. Every step can be adequately justified as such. Does "bad town" justify the crumb/softclaim progression? Maybe, but way less imo.

[Carcalilly]

Despite my disagreement with Math I don't think Gamma is scum. I just wouldn't locktown him.

[Carcalilly]

Correct. If I was a PR that could investigate Scorpious (I am in a hood this is purely a hypothetical) I would check where I could verify. Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

And tell it to the people who scumread Gamma. I see nothing meriting a scumread. The one claim the hammer has been debunked. Move on.

I don't understand how you derive someone having an inno from no one saying scorptown. I'd expect the opposite.

[Carcalilly]

Despite my disagreement with Math I don't think Gamma is scum. I just wouldn't locktown him.

Carca's Day 2 activity has been pinging me. And then not saying much when she does post.

Clarify, activity as in post material or frequency?

Both. Feels like you have the game figured out or you like where the gamestate is and are not trying to do anything to change it.

Frequency has slightly to do with the fact that I'm still not home. Material wise, my reads shift little because little has happened to make them change. I'm not a player that can play devil's advocate just for the hell of it, but I will when I feel it's actually necessary.

hmmm

What's shakin' bacon'?

[Carcalilly]

Correct. If I was a PR that could investigate Scorpious (I am in a hood this is purely a hypothetical) I would check where I could verify. Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

And tell it to the people who scumread Gamma. I see nothing meriting a scumread. The one claim the hammer has been debunked. Move on.

I don't understand how you derive someone having an inno from no one saying scorptown. I'd expect the opposite.

Noone is saying scorp is town?

Not me who said it. Read what I was responding to.

Considering no one says Scorpious is town I would bet someone (read not me) has an inno and the wagon is scum driven.

I don't understand this deduction.

[Carcalilly]

Despite my disagreement with Math I don't think Gamma is scum. I just wouldn't locktown him.

Carca's Day 2 activity has been pinging me. And then not saying much when she does post.

Clarify, activity as in post material or frequency?

Both. Feels like you have the game figured out or you like where the gamestate is and are not trying to do anything to change it.

Frequency has slightly to do with the fact that I'm still not home. Material wise, my reads shift little because little has happened to make them change. I'm not a player that can play devil's advocate just for the hell of it, but I will when I feel it's actually necessary.

hmmm

What's shakin' bacon'?

your debate with math felt a little protracted for your stated opinion on me and your mindset on playing devil's advocate

Primarily because my agreement and understanding of his logic decreases with every response I get.

[Carcalilly]

Jesus christ. Nah.

VOTE: Scorpious

I believe Titus more than Scorp.

[Carcalilly]

If you elim me, you promise to nuke scorp when I flip town. Math is probably gonna get RB'd and the doctor is dead in one night.

[Carcalilly]

Then you'll probably try to hit titus instaid of the obvscum, you'll be in elim/lo then with how it's been going gg ez scum win.

[Carcalilly]

faith was lost when people started sheeping the plethora of misreps in math's posts. I doubt people even read it properly.

[Carcalilly]

The more I read of the present posts, the more concerned I am with what those pages I missed look like...

If I had a computer I'd show you.

There was a lot of back and forth between math and I, bc math was on my ass for not really giving a shit about the hood. When like, nobody else really gave a shit about the hood for a while. I'm scum because I don't care enough to setup spec random ass statistics and want to elim where there's actual antitown.

[Carcalilly]

Continuing on its 7/10 * 6/9 * 5/8 * 4/7 = approx 16.666%

16% for picking 4 people and they all end up Town. What relevance is this particularly, I fail to see what you're trying to portray.

If you follow the prior conversation I found it suspicious Carca wasn’t pushing in the hood. The odds are overwhelming that there is at least one scum in the hood. I could be wrong about Titus specifically (I doubt it) but Carca not wanting to poke in the hood feels fishy. The previously presented math was flawed and annoyed me so I corrected it.

Won't fight math with the math person. I'm not allergic to the hood, I just don't feel particularly driven to nuke it. Frankly I completely forgot JV was a part of it.

Given the narrow scope of > 80% odds of a scum in the hood I would rather elim in the hood and jail outside of it.

We either hit scum and likely temporarily soft clear some players or we hit town and then can use these results towards finding the scum in the hood.

It’s hard to follow why you wouldn’t want to poke at me or JV or Italiano?

Is it because you’re scum with Titus?

Like, be my guest clearing that out, I won't cry over a Titus or JV elim. It feels redundant to explain indifference. I'll throw my pokes in if someone in there gives me a reason I care enough about to, cuz rn I'd feel like dart throwing.

And why aren’t you trying to resolve that indifference? The whole point of being town is scumhunting.

Why aren’t you doing more to make it not dart throwing? Asking questions or examining relationships?

Poking me as I am in the hood, asking Italiano things?

How do you scumhunt? Do you have a town game?

My meta is approx 3 years old, gl finding anything in there. But, from what I remember, I've never been a big poker. More of a thoughtpuker.

That, and I've had my focus on other dynamics. The fact that the hood had like 4 lurkers made it real easy to forget about lmao. I don't think anyone else besides you has brought it up like this, at least for a while.

I am not the first person in the game to discuss scum in the hood wth?

I didn't say that. Reread.

Last time there was hood theoretics it was in D1 twilight, page 34. Mixed views. Saw the reasoning in both sides.

Longest thread of replies. Interpret as you will, but actually

read

the damn thing and you'll see what I mean.

[Carcalilly]

It's... Interesting.

The people Math most wants to kill are the people who are jumping out front to defend Titus and try to kill Scorp anyway.

I tried to dig on why the hell Math hardcounterd a scorp elim in every way. There's so little understandable logic in it, I tried to find some, but no.

[Carcalilly]

As I said earlier Gamma doesn’t make that hammer as scum. Claims Gamma would are false.

I don’t see scum!Scorpious coming up with a claim strategy like that with tons of ways that could backfire as scum.

Was it the fact that it was a D1 hammer, or is it the way he did it? Like, does he just not hammer in general as scum? Because iirc the MM wagon was way past it's end at that point, it was the last day or two and everyone was expecting it so it wasn't that big of a deal imo.

The highest point of strategy in scorp's claim was the "crumb". The rest of it was a mess. The whole disparity of saying they've never crumbed on this site makes me believe they wouldn't do it as town or scum.

Town!scorp narrative would be they crumbed purposefully for the very first time this game, probably with intention to use it when claiming, screwing up the softclaim for ??? reason, survives a NK and only then finally decided to use the crumb placed.
Scum!scorp narrative would be scrambling to imply TPR to save from the pressure, then fake the crumb with first letters of completely arbitrarily numbered posts. Like if it was every xth post I would have no doubts it wasn't just convenience.

I'm low-key occam's razoring this.

Scum scorp if fake claiming woulda likely been guiltied by now.

I very highly doubt this is Scorpious scum. Considering the fact you sheeped gamma a scumread onto the wagon. Dwlee sheeped your bad/fake reads and Dwlee is good enough to call out you missed a player and that’s like the whole wagon.

Carca isn’t even with you but is saying things like Occam’s razor when the simplest explanation is Gamma hammered because Gamma thought it was right and the time and Scorpious is just bad town.

If you need that many words it’s not Occam’s razor.

Guilty'd? Like investigated?

Dwlee and I didn't "sheep" anyone. I think the thread has it clear that we both had our own motives. I even voted before gamma, so either I'm completely misinterpreting what you're saying, or you have the entire narrative wrong.

I'm pretty damn sure it can be played either way. Gamma hammered because the day was over, sure. I fail to see how it's as AI as you make it out to be. Scorpious is flailing scum. Every step can be adequately justified as such. Does "bad town" justify the crumb/softclaim progression? Maybe, but way less imo.

Like, call me a straight up idiot here if I am, but when you do just please explain to me how the hell do you be THIS sure of a town!scorp??

[Carcalilly]

But scorp shouldn't have known there was a gunsmith, right? If JK is a fakeclaim for a mafia RB then the doctor/GS makes perfect sense to me.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: geraint

busy today, going home. if I'm still alive when I get my pc back I'll make a final readlist/thoughtblock. I'm just a VT so it doesn't rly matter, just pray there's no RB. GL

[Carcalilly]

sorry couldn't catch up. CBA with the bullshit :p

On a leaving note, hope you recover quick and well crescent!

[Carcalilly]

I tried for a bit it didn't work then I stopped caring.

The only reason I even have one on Discord is a server I'm on demanded it.

Except I actually got that one to work quickly.

Has to be 120x100 and small file size

https://www.simpleimageresizer.com/

[Carcalilly]

Am worried this flips Green and we end up halfway back to square one tomorrow though.

Then again I'm usually worried.

I am not. That apology seems fake as they didn’t even give a read saying “hey I think Scorpious or Titus is scum”

She gave nothing.

[Carcalilly]

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
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d to have a battle;
For Tweedledum s

a

id Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rat

t

le.
Just then flew down

a

monstrous crow,
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s

a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroe

s

so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

[Carcalilly]

That sounds fun. I think you meant it as an insult but I don’t take it that way.

Do you have any reads or would you rather just throw around insults?

I didn't actually, I have an awful sense of humor I like to throw around is all.

Did you really just go through all that just to write "eat ass"

Idk what you're talkin' about

[Carcalilly]

Nice lolcatting
This is a red flip I guarantee it.

I am

conftown.

[Carcalilly]

What do you call a fake noodle?

What? ;o

[Carcalilly]

goddamnit

[Carcalilly]

HEAL: carcalilly

crisis averted

[Carcalilly]

Carca is already hammered and their response was to tell me to eat ass

Spoiler:

Feeds the light and do not cover the face of the moon,
Under this cloudless horizon.
Came the loneliness was defeated,
Knocked down, dragged.

You become responsible for all of those you have tamed.
Of course, that death is not played,
Unforgotten.

[Carcalilly]

Carca is already hammered and their response was to tell me to eat ass

Spoiler:

Feeds the light and do not cover the face of the moon,
Under this cloudless horizon.
Came the loneliness was defeated,
Knocked down, dragged.

You become responsible for all of those you have tamed.
Of course, that death is not played,
Unforgotten.

Cool consent is awesome.

Do you have any reads?

ItalianoVD

geraintm

Gamma Emerald*

Meuh

Scorpious

JacksonVirgo

Titus*

MathBlade

Crescent

Dwlee99*

Carcalilly

[Carcalilly]

Carca is already hammered and their response was to tell me to eat ass

Spoiler:

Feeds the light and do not cover the face of the moon,
Under this cloudless horizon.
Came the loneliness was defeated,
Knocked down, dragged.

You become responsible for all of those you have tamed.
Of course, that death is not played,
Unforgotten.

Cool consent is awesome.

Do you have any reads?

Why even try anymore We might as well join the festivities.

See, this guy knows how to party.

[Carcalilly]

I really hope you’re scum Carca because you’re being a terribad person if not.

Meh I just take it as they hope my dating life improves *grins*

Eventually I may date again but I am not in the position to right now. Glad she cares about my dating life?

Oh that’s not what they meant. Too bad.

Momma always told me love always starts with lovin' yourself and enjoying your own company. After that, it's just a matter of time. =)

[Carcalilly]

ItalianoVD

geraintm

Gamma Emerald*

Meuh

Scorpious

JacksonVirgo

Titus*

MathBlade

Crescent

Dwlee99*

Carcalilly

Hey what's blue mean? Asking for a friend.

Overlord. Just a gut read tho.

[Carcalilly]

Things you can say during sex AND a funeral.. go!

It's all just so hard to swallow...

[Carcalilly]

That is an iconic altpost lmfao

[Carcalilly]

gg very wp, it went from great to falling apart all around us. 10/10 wouldn't do again
Was totally not ready for my first game back after 2 years to be a scumgame and I remember being notoriously bad at those, hehe.

[Carcalilly]

Concede what

Forfeit, essentially.

[Carcalilly]

I am amazed Titus didn’t pick up I was a PR though. I think if I was vanilla neighbor I might believe her

meuh and I very softly had a feeling and I totally regret not warning about it in the PT >_<

[Carcalilly]

Honestly I think my wall isn't that extensive if I'm in the right mindset to post day 2 though. I ended up in the ER until past 2am, then the only route I knew home was blocked and my phone was dead. It took me almost an hour to find my way home on what should've been a 20 minute trip.

Things like this completely short circuit my ability to get into the mindset I need to be in to play mafia.

lifeshit comes first obviously, hope youre a lot better now tho. You're mad fun to play with actually, and I hope I see you around on the site more

[Carcalilly]

honestly my least favorite balance thing was the UB inheriting the neighborhood, is a scum universal backup even normal? I treated that happening like an IC.

also trust i didnt treat no pr claims like ICs except for math's tbh

[Carcalilly]

and you could always just hide your activity anyway :p