Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Loftwing]

VOTE: Fancy Pants

(you're going to) Die, Scum! (But thankfully I have an escape from this planet with my rocket ship!)

[Loftwing]

Who else is excited for the bouncelands getting a reprint in Double Masters 2022

[Loftwing]

SQUAAAAK!

What is Crackalackin' y'all?

[Loftwing]

maladauptive kittens is drunk

[Loftwing]

It was a way to extort a read out of CW, which reflects bad on anyone not wishing to do the same on someone else.

[Loftwing]

As opposed to the randomly vote without explaining things gambit.

@Kenny, still looking for input.
@Loftwing, same from you please.

RVS. There isn't really an explanation other than "Hey, I've never seen this person before! Lets vote em."

[Loftwing]

It was a way to extort a read out of CW, which reflects bad on anyone not wishing to do the same on someone else.

This assumes I'm not making a push to get a better read on BBT.

Were you making a push on BBT to get a read on them?

[Loftwing]

Here's something we could all do. Give any three reads on any three players you are willing to make public. The consequences of not doing so will be determined by everyone that participates.

I'll start

Cat Scratch Fever - Town (145)
FancyPants - Town (25)
Eiralox - Town (Not answering questions)

I don't particularly have any reads.

[Loftwing]

post 156 in spoiler below

Spoiler:

Here's something we could all do. Give any three reads on any three players you are willing to make public. The consequences of not doing so will be determined by everyone that participates.

I'll start

Cat Scratch Fever - Town (145)
FancyPants - Town (25)
Eiralox - Town (Not answering questions)

I don't particularly have any reads.

Seen everyone's post? Select a few posts that are most alignment indicative for you now and get yourself a few.

I have read the entire game, and nothing is particularly notable.

I do think that CSF and BBT show a genuine interest in pushing the game forward, rather than a fabricated reason to go after their respective targets.

[Loftwing]

Now that you mention it, kenny hasn't said anything of substance despite saying many things.

VOTE: kennyk

[Loftwing]

UNVOTE: Kennyk

I like their recent posting, it feels a lot better than before.

[Loftwing]

@loftwing, Can you point out specifically what you like about Kenny's recent posts?

I feel like it was a resolution to my misgivings about them, which was mainly "There's a lot of nothing here"

[Loftwing]

But what you posted wasn't relevant. You posted a bunch of stuff but didn't actually give any reads, so the question is this; why post it at all?

I never claimed it to be reads. Just my impressions about things that were relevant in my eyes. Like Irrelephant believing Shoshin is town without giving a reason why.

It was just things that I think are noteworthy. They were and are not enough to make it a read in my eyes.

And btw.: the quoted post doesn't contain a read either. Why did you post it at all?

This post explained why kenny felt out of place and why it felt like nothing, it was nothing but only if you were looking for reads.

Once I was satisfied, I relieved the pressure.

[Loftwing]

@Loftwing, I'm having trouble following you.

Is this a fair characterization of your behaviour:
- You voted Kenny because he "didn't say anything of substance despite saying many things." 168
- You unvote once Kenny admit's that he wasn't saying anything of substance and was just making random comments about the game (207), this was enough to put your mind at ease and unvote him.

If I am incorrectly interpreting your posts, please treat me like I'm stupid and explain your thought process clearly.

@Kennyk, I'd still like you to follow up on post 190 please.

My Quarrel was that they were trying to decieve us into believing that they had something to say regarding their reads, when it was apparent they didn't. While I still may have my suspicions of Kenny, I feel like they are at a similar baseline that everyone else is at. They don't appear to have a bias or an agenda that they are attempting to push.

[Loftwing]

Loftwing what do you think about Confidently Wrong?

Currently they have little credibility in my eyes, and I don't trust a word that comes from their fingers. I would be willing to throw a vote down on them should the current wagons cease to prevail.

[Loftwing]

Random question to some of the more experienced members in the game, I've never played in a game with Mafia day talk, how does this usually affect games if at all?
My current worry is that newb scum could be "coached" out of bad spots, is that common, or am I paranoid?

In my experience, 0% of newb scum are coached. I don't know why, but I've never personally witnessed it.

[Loftwing]

161
Correct link, I messed up something with the link above.

I've remained unimpressed with what I've seen so far. Off the top of my head, I don't have any particularly strong reads on anyone, and I'd have to re-read the game again for analysis.

[Loftwing]

Sorry if I feel a little aloof here, I am very much tired and work has not been optimal.

[Loftwing]

Why are people voting Lowell? I don't see them being scum here. They haven't left much to be desired.

[Loftwing]

You don't have to be like "this person is DEFINITELY SCUM" to have helpful reads. You can just compare, say, kenny and fancypants, who are voting each other, and pick a side. Voila, you've got a townread. You can figure out who's done the least that's towny to you. Voila, you've got a scumread. Nothing so far??

Can't decide if town being stubborn or scum trying to seem towny by audacity

161
Correct link, I messed up something with the link above.

I've remained unimpressed with what I've seen so far. Off the top of my head, I don't have any particularly strong reads on anyone, and I'd have to re-read the game again for analysis.

Wild that you can read this very thread and walk away without reads

This post explained why kenny felt out of place and why it felt like nothing, it was nothing but only if you were looking for reads.

Once I was satisfied, I relieved the pressure.

How did Kenny's explanation satisfy your concern about a lack of substance in his posts?

It explained why there was nothing of substance in terms of reads, because there was nothing in terms of reads. In terms of general thoughts, there is substance in their earlier posts.

[Loftwing]

How... did I quote all of those posts?

[Loftwing]

So here are my thoughts about the game so far.

There is Eiralox who voted and changed votes twice very early in the game.

I made a (in my eyes) fun comment about this. I know it is RVS, so those vote changes are very likely a thing of trying to beating around the bush in hope of someone reacting to being voted.

FancyPants tries to push me for this comment. This feels wierd. But maybe it is because they are torn pants (thanks Irrelephant for that pun).

The most fascinating thing about Irrelephant is, that Shoshin is probably town. Not that I think Shoshin is scum, but I don't see how he should have gained the towncred.

ConfidentlyWrongs selfvote in the early RVS is NAI for me. As mentioned by someone else earlier (too lazy to look it up again) this seems to be a humoristic approach (haha).

BlueBloodedToffee pushing CW for the selfvote and then, when the waggon didn't get on track too well, hopping on the CSF waggon seems fishy.

I don't see why CSF deserves the waggon that's now going on.

Everyone else is just a blank card for me right now.

This is a window into what Kenny was thinking, and it shows that they wish to contribute to the gamestate even if they have little to no reads. It highlights what they consider to be important events up to this point, and it would be wise to study it in depth to catch a glimpse of Kenny's pov

[Loftwing]

I'm currently at work now, so replies will be sparser.

[Loftwing]

Interesting Discovery, Frederick.

VOTE: Malakittens
Mala, what are your current thread related ideas? Where is your headspace's location at?

[Loftwing]

other feel i got rn is L0oftwing. there's a disconnect, feels too light on the feet

(it might be because I am not a ground-based ordinance)

[Loftwing]

Spoiler:

Meta research

(I only used games that were finished)
I'm only skimming threads and ISO's so this is by no means comprehensive.

Kenny

Town Games

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87906

Town win this game but Kenny doesn't vote much, he seems to be at his best in a mass roleclaim scenario when he can work out the odds.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87906&start=150

Scum win here, Kenny again doesn't vote that much and tends to be prone to indecision, he is endgammed when the town can't align.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=87429

This game is long, Kenny gets elimmed, again he seems hesitant to vote much, he always seems to perk up a bit when there are people dead and roles revealed, seems like he likes to wait for serious evidence before voting.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=88158

More of the same town lose Kenny typically only votes if there is role evidence or if he's the hammering vote. On one occasion he does vote for someone who sussed him.

Scum Games

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89164

Kenny doesn't vote a single person, and replaces out, scum do win this game eventually, seems like Kenny had some personal stuff going on so it's hard to get much from this.

tl:dr;

It seems like it's pretty typical for Kenny to not vote or take strong stances as town and scum, however it's difficult to get a reference because his only scum game he barely posts and replaces out and his claimed reason was life issues.
I'm still a bit suspicious of him but I can only conclude based on the admittedly shakey evidence of a quick meta scan that I think we can do better than Kenny on day 1, it

appears

his attitude this game matches his town game.

I'm going to UNVOTE: KennyK for now and do quick scan on Loftwing, but I'm already leaning towards him before I do it (full disclosure).

Meta research

Loftwing

Town Games

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88188

Loftwing does seem more active this game, notably they post a readlist on post 143, whereas in this game at 161 he claims no reads.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88188

This game is too confusing with lots of confusing role stuff. Loftwing does take a slightly more aggresive tone which he hasn't done this game.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88129

They barely participate in this game and get voted out day 1. Hard to take anything out of it, claims to have been bored.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

He replaces out of this one but his general tone is more game-solvey than our current game.

tl:dr;

No scum games and not much to go on from these but I do think Loft-town tries harder in general than he has this game.

I vaguely regret doing this meta dive, I don't think reading so many posts has really helped me clarify my thoughts but I like kenny slightly more and Loft slightly less, I'm voting Loft for these reasons:

- This game he voted Kenny, and then quickly backed off for very little reason (this is worse for him if Kenny is actually town).
- Hasn't made any attempt to scumhunt, only voting the two biggest lurkers.
- Process of elimination from town reads.
- Finally on meta he seems far more passive than his usual town games.

VOTE: Loftwing

I apologies for the post length.

@Lowell, can you clarify why Shosh and Fred are scum leans for you?

Ysk that this isn't my main account, my main is Jake.

[Loftwing]

Loftwing: Taking one of my posts as the reason for a vote on me and later using the same post as a reason to unvoting and even defending me really feels strange. scumleann

I'll restate it here for effect: My initial reasoning for voting you was because I thought you provided nothing of substance in terms of reads and, critically, that you were trying to pass that post off as if it was a readlist.

My later reasoning was that you has said that you were not intending for it to be a readlist, which means that my initial reasoning was flawed because that post wasn't a readlist, it was your thoughts on the game.

[Loftwing]

VOTE: Loftwing

Subject to change but time to cast a vote somewhere. Not confident their opportunistic jumping around from wagon to wagon is townie. The vote on Mala felt particularly opportunistic as I said earlier on.

It was oppertunistic, an oppertunity to sow the fertile fields of clarification. To garner the information that I require. It is a very effectual method for gathering information, as it is pointed and relevant to what I need at that moment.

[Loftwing]

A classic tactic for less experienced mafia is to try to mimic towniness by trying to loudly proclaim how unsure they are of people's alignments to LAMIST their way into seeming uninformed

Do you think this does not equally apply to me? If not, why not?

[Loftwing]

Before I jump ships again, this time from Mala to Eiralox, let me backread them.

[Loftwing]

VOTE: Eiralox

Dearest Eiralox,

I hope this vote finda you in good health
and in a prosperous position to put wealth
into the pockets of people like me, down on their luck
you see, your readlist is not something to fuck.

I can understand nullreading everyone around you, to keep your options cleared and your paths open. However, it feels rather contradictory when you state that CW and CSF, two users whom's initialisms start with C, are both indistinguishably equal. Please answer the the following charge that I am putting against you now:

You say that CW is null to you, however in your own posts, you say that they feel worse and worse to you as well. How can you read them as being the same as Kenny, a user whom you have greenlit while also keeping them inside the nightmarishly thin grouping of null? This is a charge of nonsensical behaviour, and should this remain unresolved, the punishment shall be death.

Yours Truly,

Daker, Loftwing.

[Loftwing]

Can I specifically get clarity from Kenny and Loftwing, exactly what they think of Eira and why, I know Loftwing gave reasoning when he voted, but can you clarify why her behaviour is scummy in your eyes.
Please don't say you have no opinion.

@Loftwing, nice Hamilton reference.

My reasoning for voting Eira is that they see CW, someone who they have fought and who they have said they think worsely of, and Kenny, who they have stated a greenlighting towards, are both equal in terms of scum equity, as that is what null means.

In other words, despite saying that they like Kenny and hate CW, they still say that they are equal and are both null.

[Loftwing]

I worry some people are confusing Eiralox's abrassive posting style for scum. Not sure scum gets into such a deliberate dogfight with CW here, it's clearly not helped Eiralox and unless they're on a mission to eliminate themselves I fail to see why scum would take such an approach.

Loftwing's vote above is, again, incredibly opportunistic.

My quarrel with Eiralox isn't an emotional one, but a logical one.

My opportunism is due in part because this is the most effective use of my time here. If I am unable to extract information from Mala because most players do not wish to go that way, then is it not in vain to turn the tides of destiny away from where they wish to go? Is it not more reasonable to instead follow them as far as I am willing to go?

I believe you are missing why I am being opportunistic, and are instead calling it out as if it is a bad thing in it of itself.

[Loftwing]

I

did

say that if you are town I don't mind eliminating you anyway, because I find your posts too confusing, and your thought process impenetrable - so we're never going to be able to effectively work together.

yeah again i'm right "Fancy is confused so want Eira dead." what a farce. In what world do you wanna elim an active player who's forming reads and getting things going over Mala, whose done jack squat, or Loft, who's vapid air?

I'm not feeling good about your reasoning here Pants. You're nearing my scumleans.

Excuse me, dearest Eiralox? You are forming reads?

Well, if you are, then tell us. Light up the stage with your readlist, whatever you may have. I would love to see who has moved out of being null for you.

[Loftwing]

@Loftwing, your main is Jake the Wolfie right?

That is correct, Pantboyant

[Loftwing]

Whoooopy ride man wtf is going on here. Ive felt better about kenny. Cw I wanted to expand. Theyve been one sentencing this game. Loftwing is my prob vote target atm. Ill go through what they did then come back with conclusion.

What I am saying is this:

Kenny is good to you. They are what you have considered to be greenlit.

CW is bad to you. They are what you have considered to be "worse and worse".

They are both null to you.

So, one would conclude that Kenny =/= CW for the first and second statements, but then would conclude that Kenny = CW at the third, which is a contradiction.

You both imply they are different yet state they are the same. Which is it, my good, honorable, and reasonable man?

[Loftwing]

Loftwing now you straight up lie. If you have paid any attention youda seen I lean green on malcolm, elephant, cat.

Kenny and cw null. Ive felt better about kenny and worse about cw.

VOTE: Loftwing

Scummiest one on me. Ill come back later in day with analysis. Peace.

How am I lying? You've stated at least thrice that eveeyone is null. Up to this very post you have yet to make a distinction between a nullread and any other read, amd even now I am suspicious about whether or not those 3 players you have listed as leaning green are acutally a townlean for you, or if they are actually still null.

Spoiler: A brief history of Eiralox categorizing everyone as null

fancypants iso: feels town. throws a broad net.

scum! arguments that they tunnel on loftwing and kenny, but that's not strong enough a theme for eira to be concerned about atm.

out of the 12 players in my null pile, pants is greenish

.

your reads you posted earlier feel very half hearted and ingenuine


and your treatment of lowell felt very distancy - in the sense that you are even currently willing to vote me over lowell after never expressing an actual townread there - and also stated you were basing scumreads off that slot.


all in all it seems you are trying to flip townies while positioning yourself as having your partner Lowell in your scumreads to later try to claim you pushed them all along.

lol.. '

alll 12 of ya are in my null pile.

i got feels but dont expect me to stay on d1 votes. and i'm not gonna defend myself against this, i have no concern about this line of reasoning bearing fruition.

you woulda done better by saying i was protecting my scum partner mala, there's more playroom for an attack for you there.

i mean i've affirmed my willingnes to vote mala and ive said lowell is in the bottom of my pile so this entire reasoning here(along with mala inactive total null) for a team is... what? just the three u find most scummy?



game solved well played bravo

You say that but you did not vote Mala with me when I was voting there for pressure nor did you maintain your vote on lowell. you jumped to this uncharitable assumption that I must be scum *merely for including you alongside 2 other people you claim to also find not town*

i never scumread u dolt!

read and remeber everything my ass i said im not scumreading u and alll 12 are still null

, nut im feeling way worse about u now then i did back then.

[Loftwing]

I worry some people are confusing Eiralox's abrassive posting style for scum. Not sure scum gets into such a deliberate dogfight with CW here, it's clearly not helped Eiralox and unless they're on a mission to eliminate themselves I fail to see why scum would take such an approach.

Loftwing's vote above is, again, incredibly opportunistic.

My quarrel with Eiralox isn't an emotional one, but a logical one.

My opportunism is due in part because this is the most effective use of my time here. If I am unable to extract information from Mala because most players do not wish to go that way, then is it not in vain to turn the tides of destiny away from where they wish to go? Is it not more reasonable to instead follow them as far as I am willing to go?

I believe you are missing why I am being opportunistic, and are instead calling it out as if it is a bad thing in it of itself.

This isn't a bad post but feels very, very carefully thought-out as a justification for the vote.

Your options here surely aren't just Eiralox/Mala? You could focus on someone else if you wanted to. My concern is you appear to be seeing potentially viable wagons forming and almost instantly jump on them. I don't feel like you're thinking particularly independently here, which is one of my main issues.

It is true, that I could attempt to try and form a new wagon by myself, to create the tides of destiny instead of merely riding them, however that would take an active role for my part, instead of a more passive role wherein a wagon is suggested and I analyze the person being wagoned to see if there is something to be desired. In this case, there is.

If you would like my in depth thoughts on a particular player, feel free to ask me. Mafia is a social game, after all.

[Loftwing]

Why are null reads scummy?

They aren't inherently scummy, even holding a royal estate of all 12 at once (of which I am now slightly kess sure of), but what troubles me is that they both equare Kenny and CW this way as null, yet also divide them in twain with Kenny being better than CW.

They are both different, and yet also the same.

[Loftwing]

I feel like there's ~5 slots whose posting makes little sense to me and are regularly using bad reasons to scumread other slots
And I doubt all three scum are in there, just based on how mafia games usually go
But at least 1, probably 2?

I guess I should figure out who I'm talking about, in full:

loftwing
lowell
kenny
eiralox
~frederick, sorta

I think I also mixed up a couple fred and malcolm posts at one point so those reads feel a little muddled. Only noticing how different they are when ISOing them

Are there any points in particular that you are confused about?

[Loftwing]

Why did Kenny saying “actually I wasn’t trying to offer you any reads in that early game longpost” satisfy you that he is town? The fact remained that he had written a bunch of words without advancing the game at all

Why does Eiralox’s confusing use of the word “null” still make him the scummiest player in your eyes? It seems like you’re choosing to be obtuse there as an excuse to keep a scumread, he’s obviously got reads and just doesn’t like to call them reads for some weird reason

Kenny clarified what his earlier post actually meant, becsuse we the people misinterpreted it. In light of his clarification, the post made more sense, so my objection was addressed.

Eiralox does have players outside of his nullbin, or at least I assume that's what they meant. So why not then seperate either kenny or cw from the nullbin then, is my current objection.

[Loftwing]

Frederation Campbell, what made you jump off of Eiralox and, critically, not jump back onto them after time had passed?

[Loftwing]

Summary of loftwing these past few pages: they basically state theyre not gonna hunt scum and only do effort to darken folk who already git wagons. They only focus on eira, pushing fred, asking why the shift of eira? Nothing looks good here.

Where did I definitively state that I would never, under any circumstance, say I would ever hunt scum? This is a falsehood that is wholly untrue. I have yet to say this, and moreover, it would be a ridiculous thing to say.

[Loftwing]

VOTE: Loftwing

welp at least now vc is accu. I see no solving from loftwing. I see no relish for the hunt. The fact that kenny and loft are now voting together should be noted.

Dont expect much more from me today.

This is accurate. I am not currently solving the game, instead riding the waves and seeing where it takes me.

[Loftwing]

What're your reads, Loft?

Town

Fredrick A Campbell
Confidently Wrong
---
Cat Scratch Fever
BlueBloodedToffee
Lowell
Irrelephant11
MalcolmTucker
Shoshin
Malakittens
---
kennyk
FancyPants
Eiralox

Scum

[Loftwing]

I am not currently solving the game, instead riding the waves and seeing where it takes me.

Behold, a scum.

Is there a problem with not trying too hard, because I am too busy for this game?

[Loftwing]

Scum are the ones who don't try to solve the game.

Scum are the ones who try to hide this fact, yet here I am, flaying this fact open for all to see.

[Loftwing]

What're your reads, Loft?

Town

Fredrick A Campbell
Confidently Wrong
---
Cat Scratch Fever
BlueBloodedToffee
Lowell
Irrelephant11
MalcolmTucker
Shoshin
Malakittens
---
kennyk
FancyPants
Eiralox

Scum

Do you think my interactions with KennyK come across as scummy?

I just don't enjoy your vibes in general, but I could go into a deeper analysis when I'm not about to sleep.

[Loftwing]

Please do when you have time on Saturday just your justification for the scum reads.

After an ISO of you, it seems my initial stance was baseless. My apologies. You can go into the unjustifiably large grey sector.

[Loftwing]

Switching votes to self-pres isn't scummy. Not even in the slightest

Now, here's an interesting comment. I would like to hear you justify this remark, BBT.

[Loftwing]

Is anyone interested in a Fred or Malcolm wagon?

Fred is preference.

I can only go off early-ish posts and it's not a read I can say I'm wholly confident in either. Therefore, I'm not entirely comfortable explaining it - not yet anyway.

Ther

If you townread me, then surely you could give a more in-depth explanation than this.

[Loftwing]

UNVOTE: Loftwing

Loftwing has offered us nothing. they've been.... openly non-committal. Seeing as it's at -1 im unvoting to give Loft time, some1 might go on and hammer anyway at this point and i don't see the value in that. at least.... try.



but in a twisted way loftwing can still flip town so idk..... will i vote there again? lowell wagon... no. fred? i can totally see scum fred, but the fact that they thoroughly asked me to share my viewpoint then shifted to mala is.... something which makes me wary of mobbing fred 2day.

So loftwing idk i mean i guess my vote can shift back to u at this point, i'm not having options atm. but i wann at least give you time... if u do nothing impressive in the interim well meh.

This is terrible ^

How is it terrible? Eiralox, despite being convinced that I am scum, wishes to give me a chance. I think that this is perfectly aligned with their attitude this game, and it won't reflect poorly upon them if I flip.

[Loftwing]

Dudes loft posted 8 times in the last day and a half, listing all his suspects, what exactly you want from him? Vote him or don’t. BBT is scum, eira is probably town, I have this read in my head and can’t shake it now.

This isn't an explanation for why the post was terrible. Clearly they weren't entirely satisfied with what was said so far. Eiralox wants something that hasn't been said yet, or perhaps they want me to say more. In either case, it would be entirely reasonable to unvote me and wait for more.

[Loftwing]

[...]Loftwing says they're too busy to solve at the moment but still ultimately makes a whole bunch of posts anyway. You don't need to have the whole game figured out to make some reads.

I have made some reads, and I have posted them. I've sorted everyone by how I percieve them, and very little has changed between then and now.

[Loftwing]

Only thing that gives me pause about Loftwing is that it feels too easy.

Well, that's always been the case, regardless of what mask I wear. Despite being a LHF, I still try my best to find a playstyle that suits both me and everyone around me. Perhaps this one isn't it.

[Loftwing]

Loft, can you give me a run down of where you're at?

Regarding the self-pres, if I'm at L-1 and my top town read is the next largest wagon, regardless of my alignment I'm voting the counter wagon to save myself. If I'm town, I can never be as sure on someone else's alignment as I am of my own and if I'm scum, well, I just want to live.

I am in a mega-coroporation stocking various icey things into cold containers.

Less literally, I am currently a little lost as to what to do here. I don't particularly have a preffered direction or goal other than to offer as much as I can in the limited time I have here.

If you're town, then the most you can do is try to provide as much content before your death, as everything you say will come from a town perspective, guarenteed. Self preservation denies this avenue of information to your fellow bretheren, which in turn makes everyone worse off.


In any case, I must return to the land of ice and frost until my lunch rest.

[Loftwing]

Fred, I would like to know why you think Loft is scum.

I find you haven't given your read/position on many players in the game

Loftwing is just not doing anything and wants to do nothing in this game.

I haven't been doing nothing per se, just nothing that you would find productive. I have been divining the alignments of other players as they have come up, but I have not pro-actively hunted for scum. I feel like the first day of any game is more lackadaisical than future games. Unfortunately, my track record doesn't actually see me surviving the first day, regardless of alignment, so I usually lie down and wait to see if I die.

I am rather apathetic for this game.

[Loftwing]

What're your reads, Loft?

Town

Fredrick A Campbell
Confidently Wrong
---
Cat Scratch Fever
BlueBloodedToffee
Lowell
Irrelephant11
MalcolmTucker
Shoshin
Malakittens
---
kennyk
FancyPants
Eiralox

Scum

Loftwing, are these still your current reads?

Move FP up between CSF and BBT

[Loftwing]

Cw,

why

am I town?

[Loftwing]

Is anyone interested in a Fred or Malcolm wagon?

Fred is preference.

I would still do this if we can get any traction at all

Why either of them? Neither of their deaths would allow the game to progress quite as much as mine would.

[Loftwing]

I suppose I shall claim before my death is finalized.

I am a 1-shot neighborizor, and a secret second role which I will gladly take to the grave. I had no plans to use my ability tonight, as I trust none of you most, although given my revealed status at this point, I feel that, should I survive today, it will be of utmost importance that I neighborize with someone tonight.

Now then, decide my fate. I have revealed this information, now I shall sleep through what I hope is not my last and crucial hours of life. Goodnight.

[Loftwing]

Well, I shall take one more action before I sleep. I predict that you will know what it will be.


VOTE: Lowell

[Loftwing]

Now that I can speak here again,

I feel like this game was decided the moment that I died. At that point, no amount of postering or arguing from the mafia would ever clear the fact that there were dark dealings between me and the other two. Combined with both mafia membera getting replaced out, and the only way we did win is by the vigilante killing for us.

We were hosed when I died, but the replacements just sealed our fate. I did as best as I could, and I still got hosed.