[SETUP] You Haven’t Won Yet!

[T3]

To generate the setup:
Add 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Alignment Cop, 1 Universal Backup, 1 Town Jailkeeper and 4 Vanilla Townie’s. If the Cop and Jailkeeper die on the same night, the UB inherits the Cop.
Roll a d4. If you roll a 1, add a Manipulator, if you roll a 2, add an Overlord. If you roll a 3 or 4 add another Mafia Goon.
Roll another d4. If you roll a 1, add a Manipulator, if your roll a 2, add an Overlord. If you roll a 3 or a 4 and there are already 3 Mafia Goons, add a Vanilla Townie. If there are only 2 Mafia Goons, add a Mafia Goon.

Manipulators are informed of who the mafia are at the start. If the Mafia have majority over the town all alive Manipulators win instead of the mafia. Manipulators appear as villagers upon death.

If all the Mafia are eliminated all alive Overlords win instead of the town.

The main thing I’m attached to is having a randomly generated number of Manipulators/Overlords. I don’t think the amount of town power is good, I think there should be less PR’s but I’m not sure.

Thoughts?

[T3]

With the “if there are only 2 mafia goons, add a mafia goon” is about the dice roll. There are 4 anti town players at max.

[T3]

Also hypothetical question.

Mafia Goon remains with two manipulators.

Who win?

Never mind, this is probably a garbage setup. I still think I want to see if a theoretical game with 2 scum, 1 manipulator, and 1 overlord can exist though

[T3]

Oh, that’s a good idea.

[T3]

Changes I would make:

Overlords do not win immediately after the mafia are eliminated, instead the game moves to nightless. When either overlords have majority or a townie is eliminated (or the deadline runs out with a no elim) all living overlords win. Eliminating a Manipulator or overlord gives another elim, and eliminating all overlords results in town winning.
This is to prevent town being punished

If 2 manipulators exist they can win by having majority. (Granted a mafia goon is alive) This is to avoid 2 manipulator, one goon scenarios as well as 2v1v1 with 2 manipulators, which is effectively stalemated.



No false flips. Not really needed here. At maximum just obscure which third party role the deceased was and have both flip third party but I'd ditch anything more.

More "Personal Preference" Changes

I would move away from cop/JK/UB and go to a 2 masons, 2 mafia setup to make the manipulator/overlord parallel more apparent. (If overlord does know town PRs) If one more goon then one more mason. Here's an example.

1/6 3 Masons, 3 Mafia, 5 VT
1/6 3 Masons, 3 Mafia, 1 Manipulator, 4 VT
1/6 3 Masons, 3 Mafia, 1 Overlord 4 VT
1/6 2 Masons, 2 Mafia, 1 Overlord, 1 Manipulator, 5 VT
1/6 2 Masons, 2 Mafia, 2 Manipulators 5 VT
1/6 2 Masons, 2 Mafia, 2 Overlords 5 VT
(Feel free to tweak this)


Maybe give mafia a one-shot FBI agent shot. Not sure about this.

Reviving this - what if there were 7 VT’s and not 5? Because the first setup is just a super scumsided version of Friends and Enemies then.

[T3]

Roll a 6-sided dice. Based on what is rolled, choose one setup from this list:

1: 3 Masons, 3 Mafia, 7 VT
2: 2 Masons, 1 Mason 2-shot Babysitter, 3 Mafia, 1 Manipulator, 6 VT
3: 2 Masons, 1 Mason 2-shot Babysitter, 3 Mafia, 1 Overlord, 6 VT
4: 3 Masons, 2 Mafia, 1 Overlord, 1 Manipulator, 6 VT
5: 3 Masons, 2 Mafia, 2 Manipulators, 6 VT
6: 3 Masons, 2 Mafia, 2 Overlords, 6 VT

Manipulator wins if they are alive and the Mafia have reached parity with the town, if this happens then Mafia lose. Manipulator is informed at the start of the game of the identities of the Mafia. If all the Mafia die then the Manipulator dies along with them.

If all the Mafia are eliminated and there is a living Overlord, the next night is skipped and the game moves into nightless. Eliminating a Town will win the game for all the living Overlords, and eliminating an Overlord will give town an extra elimination. Overlord is informed at the start of the game the identities of all the town PR’s (masons).