Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

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my brain is pretty wiped so I'm gonna read up tomorrow

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andante town
penguin town
fire town
i am very good at this game

hmmm I too can call everyone town... but someone must be mafia

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My vote is serious now. Datisi straight avoiding me

so, would you say it's not a joke vote?

More of a changeling vote

Leaning town on this

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Real talk, of all the people to talk so far, I think Ari is the one I SR the most...

nvm it's just fire I SR the most.. there's like a 0% chance fire is town here, I'll let others show up and talk, but yeah

A bold stance for page 5
What’s makes you certain fire is scum?

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can you explain why fire is scum to you? i've noticed you throw out these "x is 100% y" reads around a lot, and you explain them approximately never, and that makes it impossible for me to read you >_>

mostly it's just his lines read awkward to me, and this really isn't the fire I recall, like fire almost always has giant paragraphs that I'll look at and go "uhhh wow" and move on like, when I think of fire, that's what I think. not stuff like:
> VOTE: GeorgeBailey
> hey i know this guy, he's the legendary supervillain from the Datisi Mafia Game Cinematic Universe lore


and
> vulture kinda locktown for being willing to take the hurt that will come from proposing that tbh
like, it's exactly what penguin said, Vulture's idea was definitely something they had when they saw the setup, it's not a thought had after the rand. NAI at best.. like, def not locktown worthy


so like yeah I want more of the game to happen before I actually commit to something here readwise, yeah the 100% is like, "gut says they're maf, I'm pretty sure it's them"
and mehh normally no one even wants my explanations or when I do give them I get to hear how bad they are, but here it's also like, not a huge point, like I need more time and I should have a solid fire read... maybe... this is still very much RVS so there's not a whole lot to explain. the implosion thing was a legit read, I gave my explanation, and everyone ignored, thus I usually just do my own thing... idk, I can try and explain more, but I'd rather not explain and be ignored than explain and be ignored, cause like, just feels like im wasting time

hm okey

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UNVOTE:

My vote Might Return here later, jury's still out.

-_-

A lot of the serious content up to this point feels rather samey

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Gamma can I help you?

Not rn
I’d asked about your fire read so it felt pertinent to acknowledge the explanation

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Spoiler: Irrelevant

I want to post but the vibe isn't giving the energy that I'd need to reply consistently. >_>

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He's famously tightlipped as both alignments

I've heard that he's gone entire years without voting

Who are you?

s_s is very frustrating to me because he famously (infamously?) does not vote d1. unless that's changed in my absence.

This remains fairly true

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VOTE: vulture
Let’s try this

Also, andante seems like towm rn

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People usually don't find me townie early on on this alt... or ever.

Hmph.

I think I genuinely TRed you once

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Leaning town on this

Because of the concept (an RVS vote being retroactively made serious) or the phrasing?

The phrasing
Feel like it would’ve been more verbose if VP were scum

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Like Gamma went "I have to catch up" quoted a handful of things, and that was it. no "concluding thoughts" or whatever

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I shared what thoughts I had already
I said earlier that the game so far felt rather bland and I meant it

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I shared what thoughts I had already
I said earlier that the game so far felt rather bland and I meant it

yikes.. how to make it not bland then? is it me? might be me.. SORRY IM A BLAND PERSON YALL!!! byeeeee

Nah you’re actually probably one of the better parts of the game
I think the main thing I find bland is the VP-Datisi-Ari interactions

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you’re actually probably one of the better parts of the game

heck yeah pocket accepted!!! hahahahaha


I want more voices tbh, we're looking at SS town, and Datisi town, VP is suspicious, and like there's not really anything of value from anyone else..

Why is SS town?

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Eh I can see it

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i think andante is probably town for now, the way she sometimes gets knocked down a little by someone finding her suspicious or something but she keeps popping back up anyway makes me feel like she's excited to be here and solve things. still think the fear of wagons early was weird but ive wrongly scumread town andante for a very similar feeling in the past

datisi feels like town to me, probably. mild worry that it could be bc he's going out of his way to seem town, but we'll save that for later, he can be town for now

gamma feels a little scummy to me, feels more like trying to establish presence than hunt scum

still think penguin's posting was awkward but the read feels too much like certain early reads of mine that often end up being wrong for me to care strongly about it

i don't think i really have strong feelings on anyone else yet. in general not a lot has stood out for me from this game so far, which is kinda odd, but happens sometimes. maybe i should feel some sort of connection to gamma feeling similarly re: blandness and townread him for that, idk

this description of me feels apt but do you have any opinions on anything I've said thus far?

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he feels like he's trying to be "sensible" and that's a scum tell for him.

how is VP being sensible a scumtell?

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I think town!baltar is more nonsensical and just makes up random shit.

i mean... that's exactly how those posts read to me

Ok but they

could

make sense to him.

Like scum!baltar makes up shit that he thinks a town person would believe is rational. [a]

but town!baltar just writes down whatever he's

actually

thinking.

and I find [a] to usually be more reasonable than

and his posting feels closer to [a] than

for me.

like [a] and

both feel very unreasonable to me,

but [a] feels closer to reasonable than

does.

and I think his posting is closer to reasonable than completely unreasonable.

this is a lot of theory, can you illustrate how his posting fits this specifically?

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I also kind of think town!baltar would've brought up that I have an absolutely abysmal track record of reading him by this point because (I have an absolutely abysmal track record at reading him)

but I think scum!him forgot about that and is just saying I'm doing it because I'm jealous(I am jealous that's true)

this I can understand

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this description of me feels apt but do you have any opinions on anything I've said thus far?

not really, the only thing that stood out was the comment about things being bland, which i can relate to on some level

none of the rest really felt like anything that anyone else would care about following up on, myself included, and that on its own is a little bit scummy as well. not that the thoughts don't matter, just that they seem p inoffensive and unengaging. you asked andante about her read on me and then answered your own question by reading further. you asked her about SS in 356 and when she responded you gave the most noncommittal reaction of all time with "eh i can see it"

it kinda feels like you're just going through the motions. which tbh isn't 100% scummy to feel that way if you found the game uninspiring, i did too a bit, but what i found scummy was that it seemed like you felt an obligation to do it anyway. that can come from town too but i think its more likely to come from scum

I said I could see the S_S read after doing an ISO, maybe I should have been more clear about that
also I think if I'm scum feeling this way about the game I don't really throw myself into things the way I have, which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here

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bascuse me?

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also I think if I'm scum feeling this way about the game I don't really throw myself into things the way I have, which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here

so you think you would be taking on more of a sitting back and observing role if you were scum here?

yeah

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o h b o y

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Hai.

hello!

Hewwo.

what do you think of gamma so far?

Meh.

The only thing that I have a reaction towards is 424.

also I think if I'm scum feeling this way about the game I don't really throw myself into things the way I have, which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here

Seems like bus throwing wrt the part about me. I don't get the "throw myself into things the way I have" part either because I disagree that Gamma's really done that, I guess?

If I were scum I don't think I straight-up call out that things are bland, I probably just do bare-bones engagement until I can hop on something

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the general lack of wagons and voting in this game is kinda weird actually, maybe thats contributing to the blandness

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This was why I voted Vulture after catching up

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Not Voting (4): hutmeil, Malakittens, Something_Smart, Vulture

Yikesville, USA.

Reminder that S_S being there is normal

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I mean in HDP and PYP she was p different no?

HDP was over the holidays and I was just super busy IRL, which didn't help with the million posts per day there...

even when you had time to be online you couldn't wait to log off during the game which has nothing to do with the holidays.

Do you think Andante could have just not liked that game for reasons aside from being scum? I only spectated it and rather loosely but I know it was controversial

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I thought gamma's catch up posts were fine. Nothing spectacular, but not scum range or anything. Seems like Andante is fishing for easy complaints here.

I did kinda make a scene about not being fit to read and then did so, so I think andante thought I'd made a recovery. I hadn't, I just pushed the mental fog aside to read through the game

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of course the one time I wall this game it double posts. Sorry!

did you spam-click/spam-tap submit?

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Weird that you didn't think it was productive to respond to me when I was clearly trying to engage you but you thought 398, 399, and 401 were productive.

Yeah this is town.

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did you need me for anything when you mentioned me?

nah, I was just like "oh wait, where's datisi?" you're not one of the 8 with like no posts though so overall you're fine

8???

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Are you saying someone with <50 posts rn has “no posts”???

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Are you saying someone with <50 posts rn has “no posts”???

do you have any reads

VP town
S_S town for sass + being driven
You+Ari I want to gamestate TR but Ari, if I read VP’s comment about Hidden Temple right, has a rather solid scumgame
Andante I feel like is scum because her saying EIGHT people are not posting is like, awful. It feels like my obsession in MBOS 10 with pushing the active slots but rather than trying to push the active players for basically bloating the game, Andante is downplaying the shit out of most of the players in the game when 4 to 5 of them have about 30 posts, nowhere CLOSE to nothing!

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VOTE: Andante
Kill this.

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Andante I feel like is scum because her saying EIGHT

LMAOOOOOOO

you heard it here first folks... ocho = mafia

This is a town response 0% of the time.

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Andante I feel like is scum because her saying EIGHT

LMAOOOOOOO

you heard it here first folks... ocho = mafia

This is a town response 0% of the time.

hello, nice to meet you. I'm andante

I don’t care WHO you are! You blatantly misrepresent my arguments on you, you die!

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You are acting like I’m scum read you saying A WORD. That’s not the fucking case at all. I’m scumreading you for downplaying the contributions of several slots in this game. You trying to confuse the argument just makes me want your head in a basket more!

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You are acting like I’m scum read you saying A WORD. That’s not the fucking case at all. I’m scumreading you for downplaying the contributions of several slots in this game. You trying to confuse the argument just makes me want your head in a basket more!

If you wanna tell me more than 6 names that are actually doing anything, be my guest. but 8 are either not posting or not contributing anything of value

Which 8 are those?

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this feels kind of townie

has anyone seen Gamma do this as mafia?

i can't find a specific example that really matches, but it does feel more like his maf game than his town game to me, in the way that i think it slightly misses on the tone it's trying to hit, and feels over-exaggerated

ig it does happen as town sometimes too so idk

What examples are you using for each

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this feels kind of townie

has anyone seen Gamma do this as mafia?

i can't find a specific example that really matches, but it does feel more like his maf game than his town game to me, in the way that i think it slightly misses on the tone it's trying to hit, and feels over-exaggerated

ig it does happen as town sometimes too so idk

What examples are you using for each

some of what i remember from your posting in slaughter hour, plus you said this as scum but i think it was honest

typically exaggerating my feelings is how I play as scum

and on the town side, was looking through a few town games and didn't always find it, but i think your posting on page 1 of your iso here in your argument with pooky viewtopic.php?p=13132764&user_select%5B ... #p13132764 hits kinda similar tonal points that i naturally gutread as fake (in that case, it would be wrong to do so)

i don't put a ton of stock into that specific aspect of the read anyway cause im sometimes wrong on tone feeling faked

are you an alt? feels a bit wild that you bring up "some of what you remember" from slaughter hour

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btw I almost forgot GB was a player in this, I half assumed he was the backup mod because of a past error on my part and him only having a singular post

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Mala and GeorgeBailey are unreadable so far and hutmeil I kind of see why people are calling them town or scum but I don't think their posting so far is really indicative

Mala may be scum here unfortunately. I've given her two opportunities to interact with absolutely no return. Not a good sign.

I will back this as she seems like she was in PYP

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I might do a gif list^TM
I don't feel like I have enough reads to do it but it seems like having full reads isn't 100% required for it

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Spoiler: VP Baltar

Spoiler: Datisi

Spoiler: Aristeia

Spoiler: GeorgeBailey

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald

Spoiler: Malakittens

Spoiler: hutmeil

Spoiler: fireisredsir

Spoiler: Something_Smart

Spoiler: implosion

Spoiler: PenguinPower

Spoiler: Vulture

Spoiler: Andante

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Was hoping for a reaction or two to my gif list

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You seems generally well-liked + I TR you rn

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Btw Ari I wanna ask why you used the gif you did for me? I have an idea but I am not pleased if my interpretation is correct

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Was hoping for a reaction or two to my gif list

didn't understand mine

I’m saying you’re overtly scummy (or evil)

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Mafiascum is the only place where we’ll articulated sentences still get misinterpreted.

You can say “I scumread Pancake” and somebody will say “so you townread Waffle?”

No bitch, that’s a whole new sentence. WTF is you talking about?

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This is a semi-outed alt if not entirely.

Can you just entirely out it and spare us the homework, then?

well as soon as they said tunneled me in pyp.. literally only 1 person did that... but also them going "I'm this person" would basically be a scumclaim here, cause I have never seen town!them play like this, EVER..

hang on I don't see their main in that pyp game you were in but I do see someone I don't recognize?

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Can't believe people are fighting me on this scummy mess

you called me town!!!

how the fuck do you ever read this as genuine fire

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maybe the fact you are claiming people are saying things they aren't?

If you're trying to be funny, you're just being an asshole atp.

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maybe the fact you are claiming people are saying things they aren't?

If you're trying to be funny, you're just being an asshole atp.

maybe im genuinely annoyed that you and VP are tunneling me off something so bad, I'm literally not intentionally saying people are saying things they aren't

sorry I'm the one being an asshole here...

-_-

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tldr on this?

I mean, do you think he's town? he's just there. like, not actively doing anything, literally just existing. and like I've been calling him maf all game, and he just shrugs it off. implosion is where my strongest SR is right now

how is him shrugging off being called scum scummy?

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ig gamma used meta but i thought that was scummy of him anyway so lol idk

this feels incredibly disingenuous
what do you think I do as town?

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ig gamma used meta but i thought that was scummy of him anyway so lol idk

this feels incredibly disingenuous
what do you think I do as town?

using meta wasn't what was scummy, i assumed that was obvious tho

the scummy thing (in 765) was piggybacking on someone else's suspicion and pushing it along by saying that she was similarly lurky in a scum game you played with her, without any consideration for whether she's lurky as town. that second part could just be bad play, people do it all the time, but the way it was following and pushing someone else's read forward felt opportunistic and scummy to me

I also played in a game where she was kinda lurky as town and I wouldn't say it was similar to this or PYP

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still want to know what you think my town meta is btw!

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I also played in a game where she was kinda lurky as town and I wouldn't say it was similar to this or PYP

then that would have been useful info to bring up at the time, and doing so unprompted prob would have made it less scummy!

idk what relevance your town meta has here? i wasn't making a meta point about you

you keep saying you think I do x thing as scum but you've said nothing about what you think I do as town, so I'm curious what your baseline for my townplay is here

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I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

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ngl i'm on beginning of page 15 and i feel like gamma is lacking the passion and soul in their posts that they usually have as town. I'm kinda scum reading that slot, but it might be early

keep reading

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Andante I feel like is scum because her saying EIGHT

LMAOOOOOOO

you heard it here first folks... ocho = mafia

UNVOTE:
VOTE: malakittens

AYYYY THIS MEANS IM TOWN RIGHT?

@Andante what is the intent of these posts?

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Maybe vaguely AI a while back but I would bet Penguin had advanced his scumplay past activity meaning anything

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hi gamma

what's the hottest take on the game you have right now

I think fire could be scum

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pls engage my question
you can't say I'm not trying to solve if you're going to dodge my attempts to solve you

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those first two posts make sense in regards to that but what's absurd about VP's opinion on you?

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baltar, did you like any of the stuff she posted, or is the unvote purely a "she's playing the game" thing?

I think a demotivated mala scum doesn't do like 6 posts in a row or whatever. She would have made one or two posts and then flaked.

Not clearing by any means, but I don't necessarily want her dead today.

The content is

~fine~

, but it's more the effort I'm looking at.

I think this is a fair point for Mala

and I'm trying to solve you because I'm not entirely sold on you being scum yet

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I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that

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I’m TRing you because of gamestate Dats

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I’m TRing you because of gamestate Dats

can you explain in what way is gamestate speaking to you

Feel like were you scum the you-VP-Ari situation would have escalated in a different way
Same goes for the other 2

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also, gamma implied i don't have a good scumgame, so she can die

What did I say that came off as this btw?

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I only made that comment because unless I missed a game due to egosearching others being broken for me rn, I have a very narrow idea of who Ari can be and I rate 2 of those players kinda highly as scum
Meanwhile I have minimal exp with scum Dats (that I remember)

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Feel like were you scum the you-VP-Ari

what did you have in mind?

You would’ve gone at VP harder for pushing you

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That’s independent of VP’s alignment tbc

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Dats has a very good scum game, he just crushed his Champs Qualifier without being voted a single time and the last two games I played vs Scum!Him, his team won both times.

My scum game is pretty much awful, I'm actually quite bad at faking an uninformed mindset.

That’s true
I wasn’t really present for that tho

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About Dats I mean

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I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that

I mean, at the end of the day, please have fun!! Like, don't feel like you have to change whatever, like, be you, have fun! And sure you'll get misread at times, but fun!! If the game isn't fun for you, it's probably not gonna be so fun for others!! Looking at that dead thread, you didn't seem too thrilled by that game. So if you're "throwing yourself harder" just to... be tred? like, don't worry about how anyone else reads you. Like, do whatever you do to find maf, and we lim the maf. simple as that!! Hopefully you're enjoying this game!! And at the end of the day, don't stress yourself out over feeling like you have to try super hard!! Like, there's only so much we CAN do with the amount of people not doing a whole lot.
If you wanna help sort any of my red/blue names from my list, you're more than welcome to help with that!! If you disagree with a green name, I'd love to hear why I'm wrong!!

I am actually enjoying myself more than I was in the other game I referenced

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They are all the lowest contributing players and newbies

games are easy sometimes

you admit this looks like her town game, and then come up with a fairly undefinable concept of "disconnect" to justify a scum read there

saying it surface level looks like her town game in the way she's formatting posts is not saying this is her town game, in fact that sorta thing is not overly difficult to fake

i feel like i defined "disconnect" well enough -- the "holes in thoughts" and "contradictions" that townies have because human brains aren't machines, but that scum generally try to avoid because they're sometimes seen as scummy

Do you think this game is easy?

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Mama if you could have a PT with one person in this game who would it be?

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Mala lol thnx autocorrect

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VOTE: fireisredsir
His read on me feels rather tepid, like he’s afraid to 100% commit to calling me scum

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that's an indication of me doing nothing not an indication of me being mafia.

w i l d
Andante, thoughts?

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right now Mala

if someone does something I think is scummier I will let you know

y

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-_-
Why do you think I’m more likely scum than Andante Mala?

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@Penguin what is your fire read?

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So why did you vote hutmeil instead?

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I'd say that first point is accurate sometimes but not always
I tend to hang back as town more if the playerlist of a game is larger, as I tend to struggle to sort in those instances until a good number of flips occur
this game is a bit of an off case where my natural instinct would have been to be dormant but I felt compelled to act instead
also I feel like I do the commentary thing a lot as both alignments, I have worked to curb it a little but I still struggle with it unless I focus on curtailing it in a specific game

So to expand on this, a part of my desire to actually make a difference this game is that there was another game (that just finished) where I made a rather sloppy entrance and it put me on the wrong foot for the entire time I was in the game
So I felt like throwing myself in a bit harder would help avoid that

ok so this post threw me a lil bit

bc like the main reason i was scumreading you was that it felt like you were posting out a of a sense of obligation, like you needed to get townread, and to me that's what i would expect you to do as scum

but then this is like... a very valid explanation for why you would have that kind of energy as town

but THEN i don't get why you would say in 442 that you would hang back more as scum. like... wouldn't you still feel that same pressure to get townread, and maybe even more so since you knew that it got you scumread in that game?

so idk on one hand i can see a world where you would do that as town. but some of it still doesn't really add up for me. so, still scumleaning, but less sold than i was

I think my approach would differ as scum because my objectives are completely different
while I'll aim to replicate certain habits or one-off occurences as the other alignment to avoid simple meta tells, I do not seek to replicate my towngame as scum beat-for-beat

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I think my approach would differ as scum because my objectives are completely different

ok, and wouldn't one of those objectives be getting townread?

not entirely
I feel like I can also serve scum agenda by going down in a blaze of glory
especially in a setup like this one

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also, I would say my approach to getting townread would differ as well
since you mentioned Slaughter Hour, I think my biggest stratagems for getting that done there was constant shifting of tactics and fake-spewing honest thought process while in the hot seat

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that's an indication of me doing nothing not an indication of me being mafia.

w i l d
Andante, thoughts?

I think this might've gotten overlooked btw @Andante

[Gamma Emerald]

that's an indication of me doing nothing not an indication of me being mafia.

w i l d
Andante, thoughts?

I think this might've gotten overlooked btw @Andante

thoughts? idk?? what should I be thinking? I see "w i l d" said by someone other than me? uhhhh yeah idk, I don't think I have any thoughtful/philosophical wisdom from this?

-_-
thoughts on

the post I quoted

, dingus

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fwiw i still miss the boat party too <3

who is this towards...?

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its towards fire

???
fire wasn't in that game

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In post 1001, Andante wrote:
In post 998, hutmeil wrote:
Vulture - My controversial take. I'm not sure if I should repeat the reasons for my take but I stand by it. As for their other posts, are they more towny or scummy, I'm not sure with the answer to that but I think their posts are logical and makes sense so other than their early d1 suggestion, I don't think I will add scum points to their slot

I might have missed it, but without quoting full posts (just putting the post numbers are fine) could you repeat why Vulture is your STRONGEST SR?


Basically I SRd Vulture for them suggesting an early Mason reveal because it's more beneficial to scum than town. Others hated my stand and that's why it's controversial.

hot take

that's funny b/c i SR'd you for early PR fishing in the newbie game for the same exact thing................................

I didn't realize mala was taking about a different game here until just now
that makes it kinda worse imo

[Gamma Emerald]

VPB should be limmed just for this gif list alone

no

[Gamma Emerald]

hut, gamma, penguin, implosion has a scum or two in it imo

Why do you say this?

[Gamma Emerald]

That is to say, what do you feel like is the common thread between those players?

[Gamma Emerald]

i sort of like georgebailey's entrance but thats like just pure vibes. in terms of towniness per post he's pretty up there

Explain this

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma what do you think about hutmeil and penguinpower

hutmeil I feel like is at least trying to solve and play, people calling him a hypocrite might be missing some nuance
Penguin I don’t really have a good feeling on rn

[Gamma Emerald]

(1) he didn't explain why he felt the way he did and have you considered asking him about that
(2) all he said he was less sure of a townread of you, how the fuck does that equate to "fire said andante is scum"?

bruh why so emotional about andante SRing fire?

[Gamma Emerald]

*For the record I'm not against voting, I'm just waiting till I feel good about voting somewhere, it doesn't help when half the game is currently next to impossible to read

atp if you're town you're just not trying

[Gamma Emerald]

hutmeil I feel like is at least trying to solve and play, people calling him a hypocrite might be missing some nuance

who called them a hypocrite and what posts would you say are hut trying to solve?

also gamma answer pls, especially the second part

I dunno who said it specifically but someone said hut SRing vulture’s “rolefishing” was hypocritical because he did similar
I’ll see if there’s a specific post I can point to but it’s kinda just a vibe rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, I think the Americans are less than tuned into mafia this weekend (myself included).

That being said, vote for Penguin or hutmeil in your next post if you're not already doing so.

No.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, I think the Americans are less than tuned into mafia this weekend (myself included).

That being said, vote for Penguin or hutmeil in your next post if you're not already doing so.

No.

Get yourself together and be useful darling.

VOTE: Fireisredsir

[Gamma Emerald]

Here is pick your poison, which you were in. I would say I was pushing a moderate scum read (Gamma emerald) for information purposes, and the yeet went onto Darby. I didn't oppose that, and even found darby's play right before death surprisingly scummy.

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=

You kinda just revealed Ari’s main atp

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: penguinpower
I’m not confident this flips scum but I think the wagon comp isn’t horrible

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, I think the Americans are less than tuned into mafia this weekend (myself included).

That being said, vote for Penguin or hutmeil in your next post if you're not already doing so.

No.

VOTE: penguinpower
I’m not confident this flips scum but I think the wagon comp isn’t horrible

?

A VC was posted just before my vote changed, think that had anything to do with it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, I think the Americans are less than tuned into mafia this weekend (myself included).

That being said, vote for Penguin or hutmeil in your next post if you're not already doing so.

No.

VOTE: penguinpower
I’m not confident this flips scum but I think the wagon comp isn’t horrible

?

A VC was posted just before my vote changed, think that had anything to do with it?

Why would a VC change your position?

do you not see I mentioned wagon comp? The VC helped me see it was basically all TRs of mine on penguin

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for being a lurksack

I'm not opposed to either of these wagons but I don't feel a particular draw to either one. I guess I should just VOTE: hutmeil to tie it up.

since when is that something that you even remotely care about?

backing this, tying wagons seems rather odd for S_S

[Gamma Emerald]

do you not see I mentioned wagon comp? The VC helped me see it was basically all TRs of mine on penguin

what's your read on ari and STD?

both town

[Gamma Emerald]

I also dislike the comp on hut + it was inevitable hut would vote penguin so with that and my vote penguin hits 5

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not really a fan of the top wagons, but like, not much has happened so idk. hut showing up just to go "me or penguin? I choose penguin!" felt a little odd

how

[Gamma Emerald]

That feels like a massive misconstrue

[Gamma Emerald]

As I see it, hut voting Penguin makes sense as self-preservation

[Gamma Emerald]

hahahahaha I'm not a reliable fire reader, I'd say the biggest thing I noticed were his "reads" I don't think he pushed a single scum that game...

but overall I'm still thinking hut lim is best here... or someone who isn't being wagoned, like Mala. Cause the thread could be dead (I know there was a holiday) cause scum are content with the direction this is going, meaning, change up the wagons, people might start having a voice

[Gamma Emerald]

penguin is doing nothing just shitposting. i thought his entrance was townie just on vibes but after seeing nothing happening with the slot i'm slowly getting more and more convinced it's just a scum slot doing nothing and lurking.

mala's attempts at catching up have seemed town, they remind me of the coalition game

I don't think penguin is maf here, that penguin gif in response to "I'm waiting for penguin" like, yes I laughed, but I don't think that's how scum!penguin approaches this game.

srsly?

[Gamma Emerald]

are you ready for night dear?

I thought we just established in the other game, asking to hammer is something that comes from scum...

Ari is maf

what

[Gamma Emerald]

would love to hear from mala

would love to see fire's readslist, their reluctance makes me think they could be scum tbh

i am always reluctant to make readlists bc i don't usually really view the game in that format, there's lots of conditionals and associations and stuff and those aren't easily represented in a list

probably moreso as town bc then i actually have to be honest and figure out what i think. they let you get away with anything when you're scum you can just make shit up

mood tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

are you going to run the sentiment analyzer on Datisi though

the
what?

[Gamma Emerald]

duskpost (probably)

[Gamma Emerald]

ECLIPSE

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the last 2 scum are just Fire + Mala but I didn't actually think very hard I just drew a line in Dat's read triangle.

I’m not against these reads

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I think I been pretty *okay* at spotting town!gamma from scum!gamma. As I already mentioned I don't think Andante/Gamma share the same alignment and I feel like one of them are more than likely scum.

If i had to do a 3:1 EoL with them - id pick gamma for the scum over andante.

so i dont think gamma is a bad vote

[Gamma Emerald]

What a zero-dimensional way to look at scumplay

Is this to Andante?

[Gamma Emerald]

PenguinPower (7): VP Baltar, implosion, Datisi, Gamma Emerald, hutmeil, Save The Dragons, Aristeia

And like, everyone I SR is essentially on this wagon. Dragons here with this hut read is making 0 sense, I don't see town going like "oh hut changed their read!! hut is town!!!" like, if you were town in that spot, why is the thought not "the read change is very odd, is this cause I'm a lot harder to push than vulture was?" idk, dragons isn't making sense here with this hut read, and I actually don't like it

your reads are garbage

[Gamma Emerald]

that was a joke but the fact that gamma felt liberated enough to do that makes me feel town vibes

Idk, in RC's uPick Gamma spammed for pages to make it the longest D1 ever. I think if she felt liberated enough to do that as scum she can make a single Twilight joke.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Malakittens
Her bluster about not getting voted out seems off + I still think her read on me/Andante is trying to chain MYs.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I think I been pretty *okay* at spotting town!gamma from scum!gamma. As I already mentioned I don't think Andante/Gamma share the same alignment and I feel like one of them are more than likely scum.

If i had to do a 3:1 EoL with them - id pick gamma for the scum over andante.

so i dont think gamma is a bad vote

Again, Am I wrong tho? I had you right in schadd's game even tho I was an alt. Then you replaced out and I felt bad, but i still remained tunneled on your slot.

You have a weird non-passion when you are playing scum. I don't see passion here, but I saw a hint when you were interacting with andante, but then it felt flat

I could be wrong. Maybe you are both town then, but i seriously doubt it.

Also it doesn't seem like you are doing much to sort me so w/e

idg why there has to be scum in me/Andante
And like, I’m kinda dealing with having been completely shut down on actually-good reads in a past game, so does that maybe explain why my passion for solving is diminished?

[Gamma Emerald]

Again if I had a choice between Andante Gamma i'd yeet gamma b/c i think andante is town so

what if nobody is actually offering that choice and there isn't really any reason to be choosing between those two names

I wanna ask, what made you decide to hunt outside your initial scum pool from yesterday?

[Gamma Emerald]

i think "person getting angry at a joke they missed" is more likely to be coming from scum than town, but i don't actually know gamma well enough to say specifically

Where did I do that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really see anything that is scummy about gamma? he's done some townie things and I still feel p good about him; do you have an example of a game where he busses D1 ? I've always had a mental model of him preferring to vote the townie if presented with a choice of 1 scum 1 town and his vote matters.

the issue is i don't see anything townie? what do you consider townie from him

the only game i know of / can remember where gamma bussed day 1 was this: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=84622

but that game was a while ago (and i was barely reading it at the time lol), so it was not on my mind when i was going though gamma's iso wrt the penguin vote. the analysis i did on it is not meta related, anyway.

After PYP I think this “nothing townie/nothing scummy” talk is a bunch of hacky bullshit, get better material!

As for bussing D1, I would do it but never if I actually had my head on right. Both the game Datisi linked and the game that immediately came to my mind when the question of “does Gamma bus D1” came up were from the era of “Gamma just played the mother of all scum games and it fucked his mindset up”. I don’t consider myself good at playing the long game as scum. At best, I try to reserve bussing to later so the cred I get from it can last into later stages of the game. My experience with bussing both when I and others have done it has informed me all bussing towncred has an expiration date so it has to actually count.

[Gamma Emerald]

scum don't get angry when stuff isn't going their way?

I don't understand what Gamma getting upset at a joke has to do with this

I do recall getting upset at Andante’s jokey attitude but I don’t believe I

missed

any jokes here

[Gamma Emerald]

ftr i'm really sus of gamma and

would like her to present updated reads or whatever she thinks about this game ig

@gamma emerald can you respond to the bolded pls

I feel like the Penguin wagon has a good shot of being pure based on my reads on and off the wagon
Like, most of my TRs were on it + VP dying feels like a point in favor of scum being off of it
Rlly wish GB were still here because he might be able to back me on this a bit? He was the mod of one of the games where I bussed D1. I think I chose to kill off-wagon n1 that game explicitly because I didn’t want to narrow the pool of suspects if people correctly suspected bussing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Message "Don't post before i confirm your replace pls" would be also welcoming indeed.

Most mods have a rule for this in the OP
I would call this a learning experience for the future
In my first modded game I was compelled to take a mod action that was seen as mod spew, so in future games I included a couple rules, one of which being “take mod action as alignment indicative at your own risk”, basically trying to disincentivize it while not banning it outright.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you make a post indicating that the game is having a negative impact on your out of game relationships or well being, you will be warned or forcibly replaced, depending on severity. If you believe the game is having a negative impact on your life, send me a PM rather than posting about it in the game thread.

I didn’t notice this until reading Datisi’s notes PT
This wasn’t a problem this game but my dad loves to breathe down my neck about my mafia hobby because sometimes I get audibly frustrated. He refuses to let me be in these scenarios and forces to explain and then he bitches about how I should stop playing. So this rule feels a bit over-limiting since with how my dad is there’s a ridiculously thin line between where games do not and do adversely affect my rl.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you saying you actually read enough to think Mala might flip scum, Enchant?