Open 864 Thread 2

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oh this setup is strange!

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so Hume and hutmeil are mafia?

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alright I think I understand it. this is slightly boring because it's not actual scum hunting as I have the answers, but I'll try to keep tabs on the other threads

busy day but I'll be back later.

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My first time playing this setup. IC (Auro), me(VT) plus 2 scums - Yume and Obscure.

@Auro - They just started but:

T1 - No idea. Not everyone has chimed in yet.
T3 - I think it's Bella/Mala scum. They're playing the "I'm clueless" card almost like they discussed it in PT.

My first time playing this setup. IC (Auro), me(VT) plus 2 scums - Yume and Obscure.

@Auro - They just started but:

T1 - No idea. Not everyone has chimed in yet.
T3 - I think it's Bella/Mala scum. They're playing the "I'm clueless" card almost like they discussed it in PT.

Well, thanks for scumclaiming then. I am the actual VT.

okay I may already know they're mafia but come on, this interaction is awkward.

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i sort of like Bella in 3.

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okay yourhighness is basically spot on in thread 1 which feels sort of townie but a part of me is also like, "how were you able to figure that out so quickly?"

anyway, actually bbl

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thread 1 looks easy. Galton is definitely mafia. hutmeil's post above makes me think yourhighness is just a townie because he sort of talks about him the way he talks about me. he can't even figure out how to case me.

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not as sure on thread 3. but thread 1 seems solved.

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are the ICs allowed to vote early if they want?

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@Auro can i get your thoughts/opinions on how you'd like us to spend our time, or thoughts on the other threads?

me engaging with people i know are mafia telling me they are not mafia is not particularly productive, so.

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NM, what is your take on the events of the other threads?

I'm not reading them

yikes

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thread 1 is very clearly yourhighness as the townie.

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i guess complaining about "tryharding" is a common theme amongst the mafia here as Yume did it in 26 and NM in his game

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furtive, that's because the other 2 in yourhighness thread are so scummy.

Also, read high's reads list (particularly the ones on me and the portion on himself). It's really scummy.

@Auro, alright, I don't see the point of directly engaging with people I know are mafia but I'll talk about my thoughts on thread 3 soon.

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By high I mean hutmeil. Read hutmeil's reads list. It's very TMI.

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also I may have overstated my confidence in yourhighness but fmpov both of the other 2 were refusing to do anything so idk how to find them if they're town. And I liked highness enough.

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the read on me. Like, you can't think of a real reason to scumread me because you know I'm a townie.

I'm a little torn between nonna and Bella as the townie in their thread. I need to read more carefully later.

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work has died down so I plan to spend some time today talking through my thoughts on the other thread so people can see a bit into my mind more than broad statements (and answering any questions)

Appreciate people's patience.

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thoughts on thread 3

at first i liked bella. she sounded pure with #5, the whole "am i the only town?" it took me a bit to explore the set-up/realize this. however, i didn't feel that same sincerity from Malakitten's #7. because.. it only took me one read-through to figure out it was 2 mafia per thread, so it felt like a forced attempt to slip that they're townie. i also liked that bella called hutmeil out as scummy right away, though it's possible i put too much merit into that point, especially for something (i believe) that came up later, just tracking the timeline here.

by #17 i could sort of believe mala's townslip as "legit" but i don't think that makes them town - like, can't they be mafia who didn't realize how the threads worked? as i get to #20, i'm a little less certain on mala just being lock scum here.

@Malakitten, if you're townie, it'd be nice if you could give opinions on other threads, though.

#37 sounds sort of sincere from Nona? i don't know. "solving" wasn't my first thought here, but i guess if it correlates to how they treat the other threads.

#51 also sounds a bit sincere from Mala.

#53 from bella kinda makes me think the pair isn't Bella/Nonna though, because that would be pretty bold of her to say as scum with Nona ngl.

the posts after, the solving from Nona feels kind of genuine, tilting into the region of towniest of the 3. also, Bella's post about not being able to really say anything not townie about Nona pinged me as similar to how hutmeil is treating me.

while Nona seems to stick to their guns on me despite giving opportunity to change, Bella's turn on me by #102 doesn't really make sense/feels illogical and opportunistic for after furtiveglance voiced concerns on me, since early on, Bella was explicitly saying that they liked me more than hutmeil and Yume. so it's possible bella is just an impressionable villager, but i've found Nona's solving to seem more real.

so, all in all, I've realized I like Nona the most from your thread at this point, and hopefully this explains why better @furtiveglance. Mala isn't all negative, but i found something to indicate the team isn't bella/Nona, and Nona as a whole has been the best.

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thread 1

should be an easier answer, and hopefully it's as simple as it looks. yourhighness's solving/points come across as very real to me, including how they're sort of pleading the ICs to see what they're seeing in #4.. relatable too. while #9 i worried inched into the territory of too "on the nose," i think the fact they noted that they wouldn't make the declaration with confidence until i spoke was a + point for them being town.

in addition, galron's whole "yeah i'm not reading" and "yourhighness is just tryharding" (#17 / #18) just feels like lazy mafia tactics to discredit a townie, similar to what yume was doing well. whereas villagers care about figuring things out, or so i'd think.

then NM just flat out refuses to read the other threads too in #26. yourhighness and i still seem to kind of be in agreement.

NM repeats the same "tryhard scum" argument that people who are confirmed scum have used. seems a common way to just misrepresent townies.

so yeah, i think i feel comfortable with yourhighness/Nona as the 2 vanillas in the other threads!

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for the ICs uncertain, quote of hutmeil's reads'. see bolded for why it' scummy

Thread 1
YH - Looks like the slot is scumhunting and townhunting in the other threads. Very active. Looks townie - out of all threads.
Galron - Not quite active. Not willing to read other threads. Hmm, that's not helpful to town, so scummy.

NM - Haven't even posted yet. Lurking?

Thread 2

Hutmeil - Town. Like I know who's scum and town in the thread 100% just because of the setup. The real work is how to convince the IC that I'm the VT. Quite boring to be honest, but I guess I can town/scum hunt in the other threads which is something new to me (and hopefully will be helpful to the other ICs as well).

Yume - Said that I scumclaimed. Lolwhat?

obscure - Very good townie entrance. If it were a normal mafia game, I would townread him 100%. But then again, a lot of times those that seemed very townie at first turned out to be scum which is very much applicable to him here.

Thread 3
Bellaphant - The slot and Mala played "clueless" at first. Could be genuine or could be a scum play. No solid reads yet.

Malakittens - See above.

Nona1510 - No reads too. But I like how thread 3 is going with all the discussions flowing.

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Purple 1. the part on NM feels like a TMI assumption. there's no reason to assume someone is lurking here.. unless you know they're mafia.

Green 2. this is way overexplained on themselves. like, an excessive attempt to be like "hey, look at me, i'm so town."

Red 3. so if hutmeil is a villager, that would mean he has 100% knowledge Yume and i are mafia.. so the bit on Yume is just weird sounding. "Said I scumclaimed. Lolwhat?" like.. it is just a lazy non-thought about a partner.

Blue 4. unable to garner up any actual points against me

Pink 5. just.. lazily repeats the same thoughts on mala as they had on bella. even though their posting was very different. this also makes me feel good about nona being the actual town in that thread, because the way he treats the other 2 is kinda similar.

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Maybe controversial actually but I really dislike obscures post to hotmail.com about making up reasons to scum read, as it just throws shade without actually advancing the point of the thread.

fypov what is the point of the thread? like, we have it solved in our personal threads, i know who is mafia here, so my goal is:

1. figure out the mafia in the other threads
2. show why the 2 others are scummy here

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my point on #1 is that NM is mafia, and you knew NM was mafia. so you made the accusation of "lurking" whereas if you didn't know they were mafia, you may be more likely to assume they just weren't around.

but, fighting doesn't feel particularly productive. like, you're obviously not convincing me you're town, i already know you're scum unless the host lied to us. solving the other threads feels like a much more useful use of time for any villager, whereas mafia just wants to show they're town. which, is what your doing (IE, my point in #2.. and my general point when scrutinizing your analysis).

on #4, "i know for a fact you're scum" is a pointless way to appeal to me.. or to anyone.. because i'm not scum. and i know this. like, i'm saying that if you were town you'd be able to pick out actually scummy things i did. but you're unable to because you know i'm town.

i'm not ignoring that in #5, i'm just making the point that you're trying to flash the "omg, look at me, i'm so townie" card without actually being townie or trying to solve, like me (and yourhighness and nona) have done imo.

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anyway, if any ICs/people in other threads are around and wanna chat or want my thoughts or anything, i'm around!

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@Auro i'm not finding it productive, honestly, to get in a back in forth with hutmeil here, but let me know if you have any Qs

same with you @furtive, one day you will love me <3

(and yes it was clearly that i was confident )

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Hmmm, suddenly confused over Thread 2 again, I don't think Not_Mafia!scum is as obvious as it seems based off his recent posts.

I feel like this game could simply be a single thread and nothing really changes except for easier engagement.

Agree with Gamma on Malakitten's post appearing fake. I'm rethinking on Nona versus Bellaphant again for one of Nona's posts that I'll discuss later.

Obscure, if the solve is the seemingly obvious {Nona, YourHighness, Obscure} don't think scum would be panicking a little more in their threads?

Yume, do you have any thoughts on anything at all? You've been absent. If you're town I'd hate to make the wrong guess because of lack of content from you, as one of my thoughts coming into the game was that scum would probably not bother putting in any effort.

i feel like they simply.. do not care enough to panic. like, if the others in the yourhighness thread are mafia especially, they clearly don't care about the game very much.

i will admit i'm not as certain between nonna/bella, but it was my best guess.

@Auro i'm not finding it productive, honestly, to get in a back in forth with hutmeil here,

@Auro: And now he's slipped, he'd rather not exchange words with me again.

"slipped," TF? that doesn't even make sense. that's me finding that roundabout back-and-forths with someone i know is mafia aren't productive.

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i still think it's Nona/YourHighness

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I'm worried Bella's reaction to that lock seemed a bit townie :/

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Well regardless if you're picking me and gamma YN town should win cuz they just don't vote Bella final round