Micro 1065 Coalition Game Over!

[Una]

HEAL: Una, Menalque, unwnd, Greetings, Vanderscamp

[Una]

Get back here wolf

I feel like Ydrasse would not say this as one of the mafia because they will be having a longer conversation then.

[Una]

HEAL: Una, Menalque, unwnd, Greetings, Vanderscamp

Are these random?

Did you not notice these matched mine?

[Una]

HEAL: Una, Menalque, unwnd, Greetings, Vanderscamp

Are these random?

Did you not notice these matched mine?

It was about 3 and a half hours between me reading your heals and reading Junko's. Not to mention that I assumed that your heals are random, while Junko's might not have been.

That is mean. Why would you assume I have no strategy?

[Una]

Lucian is probably town. This makes me sad. He was so mean to me

[Una]

A sequence of 5 names is so much easier to remember if you know rolecards

[Una]

I didn't pick them based on alignments but I still had a strategy.

Except for myself I picked based on alignment

[Una]

Seems dubious

[Una]

I'm sleepy

[Una]

It is the weekend

[Una]

HEAL: Una, Menalque, unwnd, Greetings, Vanderscamp

Are these random?

Did you not notice these matched mine?

It was about 3 and a half hours between me reading your heals and reading Junko's. Not to mention that I assumed that your heals are random, while Junko's might not have been.

You checked the game twice in four hours! Are you excited to play?

[Una]

It seemed like the response Junko would make as mafia and also the one Junko would make as town

[Una]

I like JunkoChan but I do not know if she is mafia

[Una]

I do not understand post #75

[Una]

Maybe she is not mafia she seems interested in the game

[Una]

The second sentence of 56 probably is a townie. Mafia like to be right. He would still want to talk about it as mafia but to argue

It is a small thing

[Una]

If I were stressed what does that mean for my alignment

I'm glad you asked, god you are so predictable I already had this prepared

as NSG once said:

the basic idea for those unfamiliar is that playing scum or just in general lying is a lot more cognitive stress / a lot more of a cognitive load than playing town is, and one consequence of this is that someone may be less likely to pick up on humor, and thus will respond to a joke completely seriously or misinterpret what someone's saying. (ironically enough, exactly like you do right there)

it is also a trademarked tell of NSG incorporated and every time you use it in a game you must give her credit or else receive a cease and desist from her lawyers

The tone of your post seemed like you were offended which doesn't seem like a joke to me

I believe the blurb refers to the manifestations of stress and joking was listed as part of a nonexhaustive list of those things indicating stress.

One could say Dannflor was also looking for stress

[Una]

Mafia like to be right. He would still want to talk about it as mafia but to argue

What do you think about this line of thinking for Junko's recent posts

Like she doubled down on me as if I were caught or something

Was a bit strange

It was in question form, so taking it so seriously does seem like you are stressed.
Dannflor was being only a little serious too.
You are the only one who is so serious.
I am asleep.

[Una]

Ydrasse cat is scary face

[Una]

Lucian's Junko view and Ydrasse Junko view is both compelling to me but I would have to admit my heart first told the Ydrasse view when I was on my own

[Una]

What is purity tell

[Una]

Vanderscamp are you mafia?

[Una]

If you are hurting Lucian because post 56 is scummy rather than townie, why did you not say so before I made my post saying it is townie? And now you are hurting him.
It seems like disruption for disruption's sake rather than conviction

[Una]

HEAL: Ydrasse

[Una]

but I was being serious about not wanting either of dann or ydra in unless they obvtown

There are 15,120 possible coalitions but only 2,520 can win the game, this is a 17% chance to immediately win.

You are excluding 2 players from possible coalitions. That means you are only considering 2,520 coalitions, 17% of the ones that are allowed. (2,520 has appeared again because the number of Ydrasse and Dannflor is the same number of people as the Mafia). The probability of winning is the same but 5/6ths of the winning coalitions, on average, aren't in play so it will be much harder to subjectively sniff and smell a winning coalition.

[Una]

Every post on this page is wolfy to me.
Except the JunkoChan posts are null.

[Una]

I think due to being distracted IRL and focusing on my reads.

This doesn't make any sense. Are you mafia?

[Una]

My reads and my knowledge of the mechanics feels like very different parts of my mind

[Una]

but I was being serious about not wanting either of dann or ydra in unless they obvtown

There are 15,120 possible coalitions but only 2,520 can win the game, this is a 17% chance to immediately win.

You are excluding 2 players from possible coalitions. That means you are only considering 2,520 coalitions, 17% of the ones that are allowed. (2,520 has appeared again because the number of Ydrasse and Dannflor is the same number of people as the Mafia). The probability of winning is the same but 5/6ths of the winning coalitions, on average, aren't in play so it will be much harder to subjectively sniff and smell a winning coalition.

It's mostly just easier or harder based on what role the characters being excluded are, the probability of winning is on average the same but is much swingier.

I don't like swing I like to make heal votes until pookybear is compelled to say that Una won and Ydrasse is acting like a townsperson

[Una]

I feel like Lucian wants me under his pocket

[Una]

And focusing on one of those at the time but not the other makes me mafia because...?

Everyone is focused on reads. It is strange to focus more on reads than usual. It is almost the entire game.
It is common to focus on alliances or camouflages more than usual as mafia so maybe you substituted.

[Una]

I would have believed it better if you just said you were posting on your phone too much

[Una]

In the Dannflor iso only post 32 seems harder for him to make as a wolf and all the others are neutral or even I think he would want to post it if the moon was so full and bright and he could hear its song

[Una]

Una where is your
Whimsy posting

I'm ladylike and refined.
Nobody likes whimsy posting.

[Una]

But.. you would rather be in the coalition than him, right?

[Una]

I also really keep coming back to 212 and wondering why you made it. It doesn't feel like its purpose is to sort Una's alignment, especially because you happily threw her in a coalition shortly after.

Una where is your
Whimsy posting

I'm ladylike and refined.
Nobody likes whimsy posting.

HEAL: junkochan, menalque, una, unwnd, ydrasse

[Una]

Do you want to become familiar to me Lucian

[Una]

I think Dannflor Greeting Lucian has a mafia

[Una]

Dannflor did you genuinely doubt my alignment based on posting style

[Una]

One or more mafia

[Una]

You should eliminate players who don't seem to be having fun though. Isn't that incongruous?

[Una]

I guess you could just think it's rubric overruled

[Una]

I don't follow

i don't think whimsy posting = town you nor do i think whimsy posting = having fun

I actually think you whimsy post more as scum but I haven't played with scum you in a long time

Have you played with me before??

[Una]

It had an air of decisiveness

[Una]

I am lost at this juncture

[Una]

Someone find me

[Una]

Because I don't want to be scumread because of a misunderstanding? Especially not by a person I'm townreading?

For some reason this gave me an emotion of cuteness my face went aww

[Una]

una what do you think of my coalition

Pooky votecount says you didn't vote for yourself that seems illogical

[Una]

Wait that is correct

[Una]

Dannflor that is wrong

[Una]

You may not throw

[Una]

Vanderscamp you also may not throw

[Una]

Please I've been a good girl all year

[Una]

Lucian and Ydrasse never aligned mafia agree or disagree

Pedit: you should townread all your coalition!

[Una]

Why does everyone townread me
I don't feel it

[Una]

Can you tell me the story about Vanderscamp living in the town

[Una]

It seems optimal for town to get exactly the one mafia in the coalition if it's not zero

Maybe Dannflor disagrees because he has never been mafia including now

[Una]

Junko am I your highest townread?

[Una]

Please don't stop joining games Dannflor

[Una]

HEAL: Una, unwnd, Ydrasse, Menalque, JunkoChan

[Una]

So many people are uncomfortable with Ydrasse getting a hall pass it seems like one is probably mafia instead of four townies upset a fifth townie might get a hall pass.

I guess it makes the coalition likely to fail if I've included several of those people in the coalition too.

[Una]

If Ydrasse is mafia with Menalque I was defeated before my soul's reincarnation

[Una]

What is towny about it to start with?

[Una]

I resonate with it a lot. I feel like I've been in exactly the position he describes before. And I know how it can feel to try to penetrate a player list that all seems pretty familiar with each other and have comfortable repertoire with each other while you do not.

I think writing a lot about the stuff you feel strongest about is how I tend to try to become more invested in games where I'm struggling as town, so that makes some sense to me.

It doesn't resonate to me. Maybe I dont want to be friends anyway because my heart is ice, or people are always very familiar to me quickly

[Una]

Is it egoistical of me to scumread Vanders based on the fact that he seems to townread me and wants me in his coalition, but is doing virtually nothing to actually convince anyone of it, or at least engage with other people's scumreads of me?

This actually has a three letter answer

[Una]

tbh if i wolf with menalque probably a losing game (?) unless i do more before this point to confirm i get in coalition
he not posting a lot doesn’t give me room to believably shift away nor he on me

but me wolf with anyone else? hehe

He's not a wolf with you because he would be more vibrant. He could be a wolf with like a Vanderscamp or a Lucian

[Una]

He could be wolf with me

[Una]

Vanderscamp, do you think you would have played differently so far as mafia?

[Una]

If so how so

[Una]

311 is townie. Some of her other posts could be mafia so I guess I'm not adamant about cycling her out.

I guess as I write this post maybe it's not that townie, my kneejeek is that 311 is townie.

It's like
A failure to write fiction, as the alignment that gets to
There's not even "you are until the Dannflor wall was so amazing" or whatever

But maybe it's wolfy in the sense that she just bailed on the opportunity to talk about her other townreads.
But also maybe she's not going at the game at a level of effort commensurate with such a supplementary remark anyway. So maybe I shouldn't deduct from my kneejerk

[Una]

Mafia is hard

[Una]

Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell

[Una]

I also really keep coming back to 212 and wondering why you made it. It doesn't feel like its purpose is to sort Una's alignment, especially because you happily threw her in a coalition shortly after.

Una where is your
Whimsy posting

I'm ladylike and refined.
Nobody likes whimsy posting.

HEAL: junkochan, menalque, una, unwnd, ydrasse

I did not post that because it indicates you are mafia. I posted it because it was very funny to me.

[Una]

Anyway on a separate topic in starting to worry that excluding Vanderscamp from the coalition is a throw

[Una]

*I am starting

[Una]

It did remind me of my own rule about hypocrisy. My follow up questions were actually more so about smooth vs. jerky vs. plausible vs. Implausible read progression on my slot which has nothing to do with hypocrisy in how it can reveal alignment

[Una]

Playing scum should be painful yet fulfilling like mountain climbing

[Una]

Rolling scum is a defect of character

[Una]

Why is unwnd town

[Una]

HEAL: JunkoChan, Una, Ydrasse, Vanderscamp, Dannflor

[Una]

Serious question--

Are the words I'm using like, not easy to follow? I write things because I want to convince people. I want them to see what I'm seeing

I can't remember any of your posts

[Una]

HEAL: Dannflor, Junkochan, Vanderscamp, Una, Ydrasse sorry pooky that wasn't alphabetical

ugh idk man I feel like vander is a throw

Digame hermana

[Una]

Maybe there is obvtown in the four I'm not healing that I need to

Sense

[Una]

Fypov you can fire a cop shot at Vanderscamp by putting g him in a coalition with me Ydrasse Junko and urself

[Una]

Dannflor don't you want me to be a part of your vacation?

[Una]

That definitely seems like a strange take.
Do you feel like the center because Pooky only gave one other player your rolecard type?

[Una]

I mean I think your read on Lucian is good and I’ve generally agreed with it but it feels like not enough data for me

I don’t think you’ve been obnoxious at all

I just feel like you’ve been intentionally holding a lot back and I’m not sure quite why

You mentioned read on Lucian like 5 times and won't write whether it's positive or negative and I don't want to look it up lol

[Una]

I only vibe as mafia to imitate my own town patterns but I feel like many people don't like my vibes such as Menalque

[Una]

Hm?
I mean I vibe slightly as mafia, and I wouldn't vibe at all if I did not need to parody my townself to win games, so I turn off the autopilot and add some in.

[Una]

ya it’s a read I need to reevaluate and I don’t want to do that sitting in a jiffylube I want to do that on my two monitors where I can bring up multiple tabs

Oil changes are so fun if your nails are a gajillion inches long so the mechanic like explains to you what gasoline is and explains where the odometer is and all the patronization is correct I did not know those things

[Una]

What gasoline is is an exaggeration

It was other stuff I don't remember that I will relearn because I don't care about the carsss

[Una]

114 reads like elaboration towntell that Prism taught me

[Una]

102 feels like a good town read that removes a lot more space for scum!Ydrasse than going harder on their Una townread or townreading unwnd and flipping on it because Junko is so unlikely to stray from the characterization

[Una]

I want to vibe with Lucian

[Una]

I don't think you ever vibe in the sense that unwnd means it

[Una]

Sorry Dannflor

[Una]

Lucian you will vibe with me right

[Una]

What if we make a complex graph of associative tells and them create a coalition such that there's a high number of associative nodes excluded to maximize the odds of hitting exodia

[Una]

It might be an np hard problem but you can solve np hard problems on a graphing calculator if it's n=9

[Una]

The tedious part is assigning 72 associative values

[Una]

I can cut it down to 71 by saying Vanderscamp is my bestie

[Una]

Can we extend the deadline by two weeks I miss the two thousand noughts

[Una]

That is pure rhetoric as a disclaimer

[Una]

If I worked at my past jon where I could desktoppost I totally would

[Una]

Each player has an associateion to each other player 9*8=72.
Number of players times number for my little pony friendships.
It is 9*8 instead of 9*9 because you can't be friends with yourself.
So when you pick a friend there is one fewer people than 9 to choose one.
But there are 9 choices of how to reincarnate yourself into this game.

[Una]

Vla Saturday

[Una]

Vanderscamp is town
Pls trust

[Una]

There's so many games where I'm UTR and feel I deserve to be but not this one, so it's so funny to me seeing myself in every one of these lists

[Una]

I think coalitioning unwnd after producing the iso he's produced this fake would be a disrespect to his skill at mafia

I think coming out with a confused mess on the whole comes from trying to navigate a scum slot more often and I have no idea why Dannflor flipped that

[Una]

Flipped that right on its head

[Una]

I'm gonna drop a new readslist soon wake up your significant others

[Una]

Ydrasse
Lucian
Menalque
unwnd
Dannflor
Una
Greeting
JunkoChan
Vanderscamp

Ydrasse - to spell out the word "vibes" Ydrasse is conveying a lot of excitement and interest in winning for an uninformed team. Playing with their food wrt unwnd is this cattish curious seeming thing. It's been good enough I'm willing to gamble the slot is just town. I have seen them be way more dribbly as scum in roguelike mafia and one of the firefighter themed games, they've probably put up more impressive scumgames since but a. They might be improving on different axes and this feels like a familiar axis to me and b. It's pretty common to improve as scum but not be consistent, like, it's still an improved chance they're town. Tier b
Lucian - he did like one or two posts I found scummy I don't really remember now. His posting style kinda exudes a little bit of towniness to me subjectively but last I played with him he was SO townie it was intense so then less than that I am kinda giving him a handicap. He seems to like really be playing from a perspective of his current standing instead of having a higher amount of shrug it off mentality. I don't think lack of shrugitoff is indicative. If helps you win both alignments tho.
There might be some alternative universe where I've read one of his scumgames and I would be hard townreading him atm. c tier
Menalque- rep out is kind of scum indicative for mena. I think maybe I townread a lack of desire to exert control over the game earlier but disinterest in the game could be scum indicative if I'm not conflating it with irl. That puts him close to where he started so the rep will get to play mafia that's nice. C
Unwnd - I don't usually know how to read this player but like usually I read 600 of his posts and develop a je ne sais qua read. Usually I remember and understand his posts. I kinda don't this game. Universally it's like scummy for a slot to be foggy for you. D
Dannflor - Dannflor has like all these really good solves that are convincing but I feel like the targets have been so convenient. If he has inconvenient reads I could more fully townread them. He had novel reasoning for the convenient reads and maybe just the rand of this game is such that that's the way it should be. So I guess he's fit for coalition

It's like so much easier to townread him if he hard defends me when I'm super unpopular and I understand his reasoning compared to him hard defending me this game where I'm super popular and I don't understand why he townreads me.
B?

Greeting - I can never read this player sorry Greeting I will understand you one day. But yeah like, I can only fit him into my universal rubrics and say he's not doing well under those. Maybe one day I'll play enough with him to get a working cheatsheet similar to like "whoaoa this action is scummy for literally everyone on this site but it means Titus is town because Titus things" but I can't just yell opposite day without a model developed over a dozen games like that. Revising a read looked bad I still don't like it. The energy on entry was bad too.
D

JunkoChan - She seems a little unconcerned with whether she is scumread. Iirc from playing with her years ago you can kind of feel her thinking about what people think of her. And that's kinda empty this game. I feel like she hasn't showed enough of her cards for me to develop this to a stronger townread, but she always plays like that so it's not a concealment that docks her points, but it is one that limits her sealing. Like I probably could never rand town inventor into a game where Junko is town and end up targeting her. B

Vanderscamp - I've never seen them as scum. I feel like I can sense this almost paternalistic concern for the town win condition this game coming from Vander. This concern that the game be played right and because if it's not played right we will lose. The balance between willing to revise and having an opinion feels right. I've seen them be so stubborn they were obvtown and now I feel like they are willing to pivot in a way that is town and those aren't really opposites if I have a good bead on the sincerity of those intentions and each were appropriate for each game (my reads list is just as flat as vanderscamp's this game).
I feel like I should maybe cap this below A but my heart says A

[Una]

HEAL: Vanderscamp, Lucian, Dann, Una, unwnd

In the spirit of compromise I think I could take Lucian or unwnd but not both

[Una]

You were really obvtown in divide and conquer

[Una]

Im not rly gonna do the secret alt things when a bunch of people are acting like they know who I am ig idk

[Una]

Oh you weren't in dc, Lucian was

[Una]

Sry almost added an @ for clarity guess it was necessary

[Una]

He was [fire emoji]

[Una]

No c'mon let's get Vanderscamp in there

[Una]

I keep wanting these games to be harder

[Una]

The way my last couple games have gone I definitely don't feel I need to play a game with a cop in it

Maybe I should play a 3 scum setup idk

[Una]

Larges though