Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

[Dei Ex Machina]

Oh, I get it now

I was asking who was SK or-third-party because, talking of slots who only need to hunt for one scum, I noticed you had only tried to push one slot the whole day as scum (us).

Yeah I’ll give you the wording was pretty rambly. I will rephrase it.

For all of today (day 4), until I asked you who you thought the SK was, you only pushed one slot (us). I thought this was suspicious, BECAUSE from the perspective of a townie, there is both a scum and a 3rd party to catch.

I’m not saying that you only pushed us in the whole game, in any way. That would in fact be ridiculous

- Morta / Aisa

EBWOP

[Dei Ex Machina]

Who do you think Mena roleblocked?
-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

@mod and @everyone

- DecIaring V/LA for an unknown length of time. I have been informed that there will be an "interruption in internet service" at my house in a couple of hours. I have no idea what that means or how long it will be for. Morta should still be around though.

[Dei Ex Machina]

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

There’s still quite a lot to cover and I don’t think I can cover it all in this spurt of posting today.

Some highlights;
- I spent some time earlier trying to check Drew’s claim and bianco’s claim. As far as I can tell, there is no super overt contradiction. To Drew’s credit, he softs vig quite far back. This is something that’s worth keeping in mind. ISO him and CTRL+F “vig” and you’ll see.
- However, there are several things about his reaction and the way he’s talking to us that really make me want to override the fact his basic claim makes sense. More tomorrow.
- Survivor redirector? Seems like a strange role. Scum redirector seems more plausible, I don’t completely understand this
- @Imaginality, from my perspective your view of the world is definitely wrong, yes. And that’s what worries me, partly that it’s wrong and partly that the method you used is limited.

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

@mod and @everyone

- DecIaring V/LA for an unknown length of time. I have been informed that there will be an "interruption in internet service" at my house in a couple of hours. I have no idea what that means or how long it will be for. Morta should still be around though.

Update: false alarm, sort of. I won't be disappearing off the face of the earth but I still might not be around much this weekend depending on other commitments.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

You, me, Drew, bianco, Kitty

I know I'm town

Kitty is cleared by Porkens

My gut says Drew's claim is true

That leaves you and bianco.


...but I guess I see why you asked the question. After all you're only hunting one scum rather than two...

Ah.
I forgot Kitty was clear.
It makes sense then.
Sorry for the confusion.
~Janus

[Dei Ex Machina]

I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?

- Nyx

One that doesn't understand what Mafia setups really look like. i.e an AI.

Still I doubt as we never had 3 kills unless I have suffered a catastrophic memory failure.

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "3 kills", but note there must be at least 3 sources of kills in the game:
- The mafia's factional kill
- Porkens's role
- A third role that caused either Porkens's or Menalque's death last night

I also feel it's a bit less likely that there would be a

fourth

killing role, since, as you say, there are quite a lot of missing kills.

Where are you at, KT? As we said at the start of the day, we might look to you for guidance on who to eliminate today. Is this something you're thinking about?

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?

- Nyx

One that doesn't understand what Mafia setups really look like. i.e an AI.

Still I doubt as we never had 3 kills unless I have suffered a catastrophic memory failure.

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "3 kills", but note there must be at least 3 sources of kills in the game:
- The mafia's factional kill
- Porkens's role
- A third role that caused either Porkens's or Menalque's death last night

I also feel it's a bit less likely that there would be a

fourth

killing role, since, as you say, there are quite a lot of missing kills.

There aren't actually that many missing kills given Porkens had two innos so we know didn't kill anyone N1 or N2.

One inno is clearly KT. Who is the other one? I'm assuming Porkens' reaction to Menalque was more because he put together the thoughts "I am lockpicking" + "Mena is softing JK". Can we tell who Porkens targeted Night 1?

To be clear, I meant something like "there already are a few missing kills. if there were a fourth killing role, there would be even more kills missing. ergo it is less likely there is a fourth killing role."

If Drew is telling the truth, and assuming the third party kills each night:

N1: one missing kill
- mafia or the third party could have been jailkept, or their target could have been jailkept, or they doubled on BloodB0t, or the third party doubled on Morning Tweet

N2: one missing kill
- mafia or the third party could have targetted Kitty, or they doubled on furtiveglance

N3: one/two missing kills
- Porkens could have targeted an inno or been jailkept or his target could have been jailkept
- Drew could have been jailkept or biancospino (Drew's target) could have been [I know this second possibility isn't true though because it would leave Dei and me as the remaining nontown given there was a successful second kill]

The above sequence of events doesn't seem

highly

unlikely. Like Kitty said it comes down to WIFOM. And also considering whether town would be overpowered with vig plus jailkeeper plus vigcop vs scum with roleblocker and rolecop and ?, and third party with ?.

There were two deaths on N1, Morning Tweet and BloodB0t. If we know Porkens had an inno, then all kills N1 are accounted for.

Where are you at, KT? As we said at the start of the day, we might look to you for guidance on who to eliminate today. Is this something you're thinking about?

-Morta

The "Is this something you're thinking about?" sentence here strikes me as insincere, like, DEM surely doesn't actually think Kitty

isn't

trying to decide who to lim? DEI is just trying to come across as so polite and helpful. Like with their polite little "worry" about me having a "limited" worldview because of me thinking they're mafia.

Come over to the politeness side, we have cookies <3
I'm sure Kitty is thinking about who the scum are! I mean more "Do you think you will want to share your opinion at some point?", with a side sprinkling of

"How can I indoctrinate you into my ag"

, ahem, "What can I do to convince you we're town?"

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

It could be that the third party is gated, maybe only has one shot or something. That would make it a bit more credible for Drew to be a vig. But 4 full killing roles does feel like much too much.

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

It could be that the third party is gated, maybe only has one shot or something. That would make it a bit more credible for Drew to be a vig. But 4 full killing roles does feel like much too much.

-Morta

Which is why I keep saying I don't believe a SK is in this game.

Then, what do you think 3p is?
A Survivor?
~Janus

[Dei Ex Machina]

I would like to proudly present my dissertation for the game: Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT on the subject of

Why you should consider voting Doctor Drew

When asked to explain why biancospino is alive, he proposes that biancospino is a 3rd party redirector, rather than considering a jailkeeper might have been involved. On him or his target. Ignores biancospino's suggestion about this.

@Drew, how did you take into account Menalque and Porkens's actions when deciding who to target last night?

Spoiler:

Doesn't imply "if not red then not bianco". But most importantly I'm neither BP nor a reflexive Redirector, so.

So let's chat, assuming we are both telling the truth.

How when I try to vig you.....Menal and Pork end up dying?

This a question to everyone.

Mech reasons encouraged as well

Why are mech reasons encouraged "as well"? What other explanation could there be, if not a mech reason? Aren't possible reasons explained just a couple posts upstream of the quoted ones?

Spoiler:

Drew... if you don't hate the vote on us and think we're scum, who is SK?
-Morta

Again with the SK talk, where was the Night 2 kill then?

And the reasoning may have been weak in your eyes, but not in mine. I knew there was something there and I wasn't gonna stop pushing the issue. And you really are trying hard to say you weren't defending Titus, everyone was starting to see how she was scummy, yet you kept balking at voting her. Maybe explicitly you weren't defending her, but you certainly weren't excited to vote her.

Morta(Aisa), kinda like how you were the only one to defend me in AbLoaf when it was clear I was a goner(for everyone else here, we were both scum).

At least now you have some assistance in your hydra to be a bit more subtle about it here.

Except you literally didn't respond to this.

I don't understand your 'save the best for last post' I never really thought you were scum until today and a now pushing you. And I brought up Abloaf because it was a pretty similar thing you pulled as scum there(really not wanting to vote me) as here(really not wanting to vote Titus).

And I pushed Titus pretty damn hard, so I don't get what you mean I only pushed you. You aren't making sense.

So I shot one scum, was a big factor in eliminating another scum, and I feel strongly I am pushing the last scum.

There is only so much scum I can push here lol.

Oh, and I am making a bit of an educated guess in regards to why N2 my shit didn't go through, Titus was a delayed roleblocker and I definitely feel she would have used it on me. And I easily could see Bianco as like bulletproof 3p with a reflexive ability (not sure if it is exactly what it is called, but a shot targeting them gets redirected to someone else).

Spoiler:

Drew... if you don't hate the vote on us and think we're scum, who is SK?
-Morta

Again with the SK talk, where was the Night 2 kill then?

And the reasoning may have been weak in your eyes, but not in mine. I knew there was something there and I wasn't gonna stop pushing the issue. And you really are trying hard to say you weren't defending Titus, everyone was starting to see how she was scummy, yet you kept balking at voting her. Maybe explicitly you weren't defending her, but you certainly weren't excited to vote her.

Morta(Aisa), kinda like how you were the only one to defend me in AbLoaf when it was clear I was a goner(for everyone else here, we were both scum).

At least now you have some assistance in your hydra to be a bit more subtle about it here.

Well, it's now pretty much confirmed to be one of you.
I'm going to chat with my hydra buddies about which one before I draw any conclusions.

- Nyx

Nah, fuck off with this.

You keep running away from the fact that it could be you

Still haven't responded to my post Aisa.

Bianco, I tried vigging you.....full stop.

It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a man, having waited 2 hours and 48 minutes for a response without having received any, gains the right to accuse his opponent of being the scummiest scum of them all

xoxo

-Morta

Yet you posted 11 times between those two posts of mine, yet still didn't respond to the direct question to you Aisa.

All of them are signed Nyx or Janus. I don’t expect you to believe that we are signing in good faith if that’s the route you want to go down, but that doesn’t seem to be your argument.
-Morta

Ok fair enough, I just went through and counted the hydras posts. But it still took for me to quite my post directed at you for you to respond, but that's not my point.

The context of said post(you in Abloaf vs you here) was my point.

Also, please respond to my previous post where I have no idea what you are trying to say.

And this feels like a grab bag of accusations (sorry). The goalposts keep moving. He chases a response to his question several times, then says "it still took for me to quote my post directed at you for you to respond, but that's not my point". Hmmm

It's also unclear to me which of these two sentences he wanted a reply to:

Again with the SK talk, where was the Night 2 kill then?

Morta(Aisa), kinda like how you were the only one to defend me in AbLoaf when it was clear I was a goner(for everyone else here, we were both scum).

Only the first one is a "direct question", but apparently his point was "The context of said post([Aisa] in Abloaf vs [Aisa] here)".

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

We're also all forgetting about

biancospino

a little, but she exists and has such drive to solve the game, much wow
(I am having fun with colour, yes)
-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

I am reminded of this quote...

(I think this is what the youth call a "flail")

I have clearance from my hydra partners.
VOTE: Doctor Drew

I don't really see a scenario in which Drew is town. I think biancospino is more likely to be the other non-town than Imaginality, though it depends on what Drew flips. biancospino has a lot of e.g. survivor equity but feels almost too chill to be a mafia?

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

I'm not Morta, but I can try to answer some stuff. I do need to read up though.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Here's a question, let's see if you will answer it.

When did you, Aisa(or any head of the hydra), look up me softing vig?

This, I can answer, but I'll need some clarification. Do you mean "where in the gamethread do we think you softed vigi?" or "when did we ISO you and find what we believed was a vigi soft?"

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Morta ISOed you yesterday, citing 892, 902, and 906.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Unless I am blind, that is the only vig softing that Morta mentioned in the hydra PT. It is very possible that she saw something else, or that she's exaggerating.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

She said nothing about that, so I can't confirm or deny it.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.

And oh look, it was D1.

When Aisa could have mentioned to Titus to use her delayed roleblock on me because she was afraid I would shoot Titus.

Nice slip, that point only applies if you're lying.
You claimed to shoot Kitty, who was quite obviously jailed N2. My theory here (which is really a lot more than a theory at this point) is that you are serial killer, tried to kill someone else, and so you know that Kitty being jailed isn't the reason your kill went missing. So you're trying to find some other cause that is plausible in your world.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Considering they've been preparing to claim vig for a while and have softs to back it up, the risk is less than it might seem. As for getting shot at night? Bulletproof is probably the most common modifier to put on an SK.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Oh, I misinterpreted that as you saying you trusted Drew.
Still wanted to say that though.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Spoiler: Setup Spec

I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?

- Nyx

Not to mention, that means town has/had a full jailkeeper, a supercop that auto-kills its guilties,

and

a vigilante. I'll admit I don't know that much about setup design, but something tells me that's not exactly balanced.

- Nyx

Also wanted to discuss some setup stuff.
We now believe it's more likely an SK

or

two town killing roles rather than an SK

and

two town killing roles, but the world in which the vigi claim is true still feels too swingy to be plausible.
The setup would be:

Mafia Delayed Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Something Else
Town Jailkeeper
Town SuperCoptor (not looking up the name lol)
Town Vigilante
Vanilla Townie x6
Survivor Reflexive Redirector

I can think of more than one way for town to win on N1 with this setup. Any three of:
- mafia getting executed on Day 1
- Dr. Drew shooting a mafia
- Porkens guiltying and shooting a mafia
- the survivor redirecting a kill onto the mafia (perhaps even their own kill)
can lead to an instant town win. Any two, plus a mafia exe on D2, can lead to a town win on D2.

Instant scum win isn't as much of a problem, but I'm pretty sure there's a considerable amount of swing in that direction as well.
Also, though this is an AI-generated setup, I recall N_M saying he'd be try to make it somewhat balanced. I imagine he could get ChatGPT to generate something less swingy/unbalanced than this.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

I know the decision's pretty much made now.
I just haven't been able to be active in this thread much and wanted a chance to say my piece.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

I'm not saying it's impossible she roleblocked you. I'm saying that Menalque all but claimed to have jailed Kitty the night you say you shot at him. So it's strange that you seem to be completely ignoring that explanation.
The person you claimed to shoot at was jailed. He could not have been killed that night. It doesn't matter if you were roleblocked or not, he still couldn't have died.
The only way that it matters is if you're third party and your shot was directed at somebody else.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Lol, that's an elim I see.

So we aren't using logic I guess, makes no sense me claiming Vig when no one claimed any sort of investigative role or tracking role or such. I could have coasted as a SK, or scum for that matter. DEM's arguments have so many holes in them and

resorted to basically petty insults when called out on them.

And again, what benefit would I have to push my scum buddy when our other scum buddy was killed the night before?

I guess this is the thanks I get for vigging scum and hard pushing an elim on scum.

Clearly that is scum behavior *giant eye roll*

I am sorry if I said anything that you felt was insulting. That was not my intention.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me or my hydra partners, I admittedly don't read everything they post. I didn't accuse you of being mafia at any point though. You're right that you wouldn't have hardbussed Titus like that.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Mafia is within imaginalilty/bianco from my POV (duh) but there'll be plenty of time to sort that out tomorrow. I kind of hope I get shot so I don't have to.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Lol, that's an elim I see.

So we aren't using logic I guess, makes no sense me claiming Vig when no one claimed any sort of investigative role or tracking role or such. I could have coasted as a SK, or scum for that matter. DEM's arguments have so many holes in them and

resorted to basically petty insults when called out on them.

And again, what benefit would I have to push my scum buddy when our other scum buddy was killed the night before?

I guess this is the thanks I get for vigging scum and hard pushing an elim on scum.

Clearly that is scum behavior *giant eye roll*

I am sorry if I said anything that you felt was insulting. That was not my intention.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me or my hydra partners, I admittedly don't read everything they post. I didn't accuse you of being mafia at any point though. You're right that you wouldn't have hardbussed Titus like that.

- Nyx

Lol, so now when I am dead you admit to a hard buss being illogical?

I don't take any of it personal, so no need to apologize, all in the name of the game.

But in the same vein, get the fuck out of here with this fake sympathy.

You got what you wanted.

I never said a hardbus wasn't illogical. I'm assuming that perhaps Morta did, but I'm not her. I accused you specifically of being third party for the exact reason that I had ruled out a hardbus on Titus.
I don't know what fake sympathy you're talking about. When I hear my name and "insults" in the same sentence, I jump to "did I cross the line?" I don't think that's unreasonable.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Alright, that's good to hear.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

I assume this flips green since 3p would probably just drop the act.
This means that bianco/imaginality are non-town from our POV, and that bianco is confirmed non-town from everyone's POV.
It also means that the real 3p likely lacks killing power. So I guess Survivor Redirector is a thing? Unless...*arsonist paranoia*

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Or scum redirector and imaginality is something else?
Hmm.
We can figure that out tomorrow. I'm out for the night.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

I assume this flips green since 3p would probably just drop the act.

Why "3p" and not "scum" here?

Oh wait I know why.

Because you know there's no chance of Drew flipping mafia because that's your role.

Another case of you hunting one scum rather than two.

I thought it was pretty clear Nyx thought that bianco was likely mafia while Drew was likely SK.
~Janus