KittyTacky's Mini Normal Review, May 2023 (Released)


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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Wed May 17, 2023 3:59 pm

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In post 2, DkKoba wrote: u know whats funny is that informed info is going to have the opposite effect intented considering site meta
How so?
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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Wed May 17, 2023 4:06 pm

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In post 9, DkKoba wrote: right i think scenarios like that are fringe and arent really fully accountable for, that tends to be an accelerated game of scum playing poorly, although the guilty is just unfortunate in that scenario.
Yeah mafia lost even before the guilty in that scenario, the guilty is just humiliating if anything. The scenario can happen in any game with a vig that can shoot N1 but it's super unlikely.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Wed May 17, 2023 4:08 pm

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In post 4, DkKoba wrote: vig = IC
2/3 BG will be considered conftown
TA will just be auto-nightkill if claimed

Town Finder could go either way here

so 5-6 slots that are mislimmable in a place where scum must kill 4, I'd like to perhaps make the TA Odd Night, give mafia 1 shot strongman and remove the Rolecop to minimize the chances of town simply winning by pure luck of rand + night actions while recognizing that vig is a likely mislim enabler for scum here.
Seems fine tho.

idk what to do with the finder however. The more I look at it the more I see it as superfluous. But without it the setup feels a little bare and I want that slot to have something to do at night.
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Post Post #15 (isolation #3) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:09 pm

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Bodyguard Madness
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
Town Informed 2-Shot Vigilante ("There are multiple Bodyguards in the game.")
Town Finder (Bodyguard)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Goon
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler


Bodyguards die together if they target each other. This will be told to them in the role PM so town doesn't get hit by a curveball from a triple chain getting instakilled.

In post 14, DkKoba wrote:
In post 10, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 2, DkKoba wrote: u know whats funny is that informed info is going to have the opposite effect intented considering site meta
How so?
It will make the vig more likely to shoot as they'll feel it's not as risky for any prs to die / can be protected once they do confirm themselves
Yeah. Assumes BGs are good enough scumreaders, though.
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Post Post #16 (isolation #4) » Thu May 18, 2023 3:10 pm

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Actually if we were to prevent the "scum hanged d1, one gets shot n1 and the other found by TA n1", wouldn't the mitigation be an EVEN-night TA?
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Post Post #22 (isolation #5) » Thu May 18, 2023 11:33 pm

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Spoiler: Role PMs
Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
.

Your action is compulsive, meaning that you must submit an ordered playerlist at the start of the game, with the possibility of changing it later, and if you fail to submit, you will target the highest living player on the list.

Each Night, you must target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,
that player will be protected from one kill that night and you will be killed in their place
.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
.

You can only attempt to use your ability on odd-numbered Nights.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,
you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate
with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town Informed 2-Shot Vigilante
.

You know additional information about the setup:
There are multiple
Bodyguards
in the game.


Twice per game, at Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,
you will kill that player
.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town Bodyguard Finder
.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is a
Bodyguard
.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Vanilla Townie
.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die. In addition, once per game, you can choose to make your action
unblockable
.

You win if at least one
Mafia
member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler
.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

When you die, the role "
Bodyguard
" will cease to function for all players.

You win if at least one
Mafia
member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Mafia Goon
.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win if at least one
Mafia
member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Spoiler: Investigation results (no result is impossible in this setup)
Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
- "<target> can currently privately communicate!" / "<target> cannot currently privately communicate."
Bodyguard Finder
- "<target> is a
Bodyguard!
" / "<target> is
not a Bodyguard
."

In post 19, Flavor Leaf wrote: All good here. My own personal taste would add a neighborhood on like the Finder-Strongman, or Bodyguard-Strongman, but that complicates a little bit more and some don’t like that type of WIFOM (i love neighborhoods :lol:)

But yeah, it looks great as is
Yeah that would make it a bit too complex.
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When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
~Enchant
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Post Post #23 (isolation #6) » Thu May 18, 2023 11:34 pm

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In post 21, DkKoba wrote: I also think informing Bodyguards of the chain mechanic is probably going to inspire host OGI of clearing each other so I think it's best not to include that, it is a logical conclusion that the saves would trigger a chain reaction based on the role description so if they try to make such a plan in game I'm sure someone will point it out.. and if they don't that is towns fault tbh xD
Good point, omitting that.

If town is dumb enough to blow itself up, it'll be your fault! :lol:
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Post Post #24 (isolation #7) » Thu May 18, 2023 11:35 pm

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I choose the theme "Conway's Game Of Life".
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Post Post #26 (isolation #8) » Thu May 18, 2023 11:56 pm

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Urgh, good question. Is there a Normal guideline or do I get to make it myself? Having them all die seems harsh.
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Post Post #31 (isolation #9) » Sat May 20, 2023 8:04 pm

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The bodyguards must be kept, not really comfortable gating them either.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #10) » Sat May 20, 2023 8:04 pm

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I kinda want vigi to have the possibility of shooting a BG.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #11) » Sun May 21, 2023 6:01 am

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Hmph. I'll try to think something up tomorrow, I'm sleepy and drunk.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #12) » Tue May 30, 2023 6:09 pm

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Yeah sorry was busy. I'll do that today or tomorrow.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #13) » Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:05 pm

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Bodyguard Madness
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
Town 2-Shot Vigilante
Town Finder (Bodyguard)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Goon
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler


Global Informed: "There are multiple Bodyguards in the setup."


Bodyguards die together if they target each other. This will be told to them in the role PM so town doesn't get hit by a curveball from a triple chain getting instakilled.


Spoiler: Role PMs
Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town Compulsive Bodyguard
.

Your action is compulsive, meaning that you must submit an ordered playerlist at the start of the game, with the possibility of changing it later, and if you fail to submit, you will target the highest living player on the list.

Each Night, you must target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,
that player will be protected from one kill that night and you will be killed in their place
.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
.

You can only attempt to use your ability on odd-numbered Nights.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,
you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate
with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town 2-Shot Vigilante
.

Twice per game, at Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action,
you will kill that player
.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Town Bodyguard Finder
.

At Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is a
Bodyguard
.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Vanilla Townie
.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the
Town
are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die. In addition, once per game, you can choose to make your action
unblockable
.

You win if at least one
Mafia
member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Mafia Bodyguard Enabler
.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

When you die, the role "
Bodyguard
" will cease to function for all players.

You win if at least one
Mafia
member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Welcome to Mini Normal ????: <theme>! You are a
Mafia Goon
.

Your team-mates are X and Y. You may talk to them <PT link> at any time while you are alive.

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.

You win if at least one
Mafia
member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Spoiler: Investigation results (no result is impossible in this setup)
Odd-Night Traffic Analyst
- "<target> can currently privately communicate!" / "<target> cannot currently privately communicate."
Bodyguard Finder
- "<target> is a
Bodyguard!
" / "<target> is
not a Bodyguard
."
If u dont elim me today, you are Minecrafters
~Vasex
When i open this game, and starting read, i immediatly close it because i starting strongly consider self last townie alive and others are just jesters.
~Enchant

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