Mini Normal 2309 - Spectator PT

[DragonEater70]

HI.

Spoiler: PT Access

DragonEater70
Alianna

DkKoba

Looker

[DragonEater70]

Going to try and get the mod on my side by...

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

That's funny.

If only they knew I secretly love dragons.

[DragonEater70]

Why is this game so slowwww

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*snip*
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bellaphant

Let’s get this game out of RVS.

Oh, finally!

[DragonEater70]

Maybe it's just because I am informed and not part of the game, but the town's play feels very off to me this game. It kinda feels like this game is newbies only or something. Like, this is a ridiculous VC to have by page six:

VC 1.02

Votecount 1.02

iamveryhappy (1):

KatyKimFanClub

Hu Tao (1):

bob3141

Bellaphant (1):

Bazuf

Political Clout (1):

Starfire

Starfire (1):

Political Clout

Naerys (1):

Civil Scum

Save The Dragons (1):

iamveryhappy

Not Voting (6):

Hu Tao, Greeting, Save The Dragons, Naerys, Random Nurse, Bellaphant

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-08-13 08:30:11).

Where are the wagons? Where are the scumreads on scummy people? Why are they voting people for silly reasons?

[DragonEater70]

I think scum messed up an opportunity to look good while wagoning a town player a few pages back. Oh well. (I am actually rooting for scum here since town is like all over the place. Also since I feel town is a bit OP so if scum win it would be harder to pull of and much cooler.)

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Nah

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You are very sure that Bazuf is mafia because he is a low poster and that I am scum for defending him, even though I never even mentioned him in my posts?

Any clue what Greeting is talking about here? I never saw Civil Scum saying anything about Greeting defending Bazuf.

[DragonEater70]

I think you're town then. I believe you. I think we were put together to suspect each other, you check me and see me as guilty. Possibly a way to balance. In the thread I'm trying to be as null as possible so I'm not townread and killed by scum. Are you every night gunsmith or is there a condition?

Yo Koba this guy is outguessing the mod and can read the mind of the Normal Review Group apparently.

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I'm really baffled by CS's last post, like how do you form a read based on what Naerys said.

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Idk maybe he desperately wants to be shot by the real vig?

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Okay lol that explanation makes no sense to me.

I wonder if scum is gonna kill him tonight.

[DragonEater70]

Is this amount of setup spec normal for a D1 for a mini normal? The only Mini Normal I'e read had 0 setup spec until D3 or D4 from what I recall.

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Honestly the pacing of this game is really weird. Like there's been 3 claims on D1 (which is really fast), And on the other hand, Civil Scum's first day wagon was the only one that ever got to more than 3 votes. And the original deadline of 10 days already passed. If this was in the newbie queue we'd have

at least

2 people hitting E-1 by now.

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There was the miller claim you saw, a JK claim (Naerys) and a 2-shot vig claim (Civil Scum).

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Note: I ended up making a seperate Dead PT because there are many spoilers here and I don't know if dead players enjoy the spoilers.

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Go to the dead PT and ask his opinions then

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viewtopic.php?t=91451

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So if the last scum kills the gunsmith today, that would mean there's no investigative PRs left and they can actually win.
Let's see what they do.

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(Because apparently a lot of people are townreading them)

[DragonEater70]

This is interesting. i dont get why scum would try and shoot me before nearys. They should of been able to work out that im odd nights from the fact that their rolestopper was odd nights

yep it was bb that fliped that slot from town to scum too. be funny if Kims partner hadnt logged on before day 2 had already finsihed. I would hate to have game were i had to try an dget through 3 misexecutions

Welp.

[DragonEater70]

Here is a PM the worst sent me which I found pretty interesting to read:

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini Normal 2309 | Day 3

dragon

moonlogic rant incoming because i'm half-asleep and think i've solved this game

hu tao/bob is a vig/gs hood. this would be a neat hood dynamic because the vig is confirmable, but gs is also a scum role which can find vigs. a "right under my nose" kind of thing. bob was ready to cc brad if he doubled down on the vig claim, but i think both brad & i picked up what was going on and he swung back to a vt claim. naerys is pretty near confirmed town by the existence of a vig, which leaves me with a solve of:

Random Nurse
iamveryhappy
Yimmy
iambrad
Save The Dragons

i want to immediately clear brad because either he IS the vig, or he's town-siding super super hard, but what i'll do instead is put him at the back of my poe. he's also guarding the vig by being as vague and sketchy as he is, so regardless of whether he actually is the vig or vt, we need him alive rn.

i think yimmy's readlist does actually read pretty unaligned so i'm leaning away from him. i don't mind hu tao's point about iavh, but i think it's weaker than my point about yimmy.

i'm nervous that everyone is treating dragons as conftown for the swing against looker, when if dragons is scum, his convo with greeting circa post 500 was actually setting up for a bus. i have no idea if dragons is actually scum but i strongly feel that he does need to go today or f6-7 because if he gets to endgame, i think he's very difficult to solve accurately in f3-f4 because of his d1. he's also a claimed vt, which makes him a good flip to cover for the tpr softclaim nonsense that's happening here and i don't ~feel~ the unaligned feeling everyone else is feeling.

rn i got nothing. he's just a challenging force this game, has not been remotely helpful to solving, and i have no reason to townread him. if his claim is real, it's just a very very good role; if it's fake, it's a very smart fakeclaim. i have no read on which of those two is true. i'd just kind of be totally fine with him being removed and i do think he needs to go at some point. if he's town, the fakeclaim & prickly personality become increasingly wifom as we move closer to endgame.

iavh i don't have much of a feeling on. i kind of believed him for a second when he said he was excited for a perfect sweep. i don't mind hu tao's read on him being unaligned with scum. i just feel a bit tepid i guess.



naerys or hu tao as scum are the Bad Timelines. to be scum, naerys necessarily needs to have elected to make an awful NK to position themself as a town jailkeeper which they maaaay have had to do if they were going in deep for the endgame but i think it's just significantly less likely than a lot of other realities. hu tao can be scum only if they are not the vig (obviously), and in this timeline they have managed to pocket bob very successfully, and i think they are likely behind the plan to hold the sword of damocles counterclaim gamestate over brad.


i think sawing up this list wins us the game. i'm kinda hoping that the vig + myself will survive into d4 (f6-7), because i think the way i've handled this phase increases my town equity a tonne and i don't think there's that many rocks for scum to hide under.

worst
hu tao (if vig)
bob
naerys
brad
hu tao (if not vig)
yimmy
iavh
dragons, rn

[DragonEater70]

Well the reviewer was announced by implosion when the game filled up.
But I guess I should have included it in the OP? I will note it for next time I mod a game (which will probably be in like, December).

[DragonEater70]

I don't think there's a right or wrong way to play, it's just some people are very tryhard and others aren't. It's a personality thing.

BTW when I play mafia-adjacent games (such as Avalon) in real life I *always* get scumread for tryharding as town. So that just shows you that tryharding isn't necessarily better than not tryharding.

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It was bobs wish to have the worst and RN as the next 2 elims.

VOTE: the worst

1) Why not iambrad?

2) You aren't confirmed Town.

3) You "following Bob's wish" sounds like a convenient excuse for Scum to not have to actually engage.

*Munches on some popcorn*

This is some good tvt action.