VCM:LME mafia PT

[Ircher]

Hi Cook.

My role's pretty useless since I lose my vote o the following day.

[Ircher]

@Mod: What kind of action resolution scheme does this game use?

[Ircher]

@Mod: Would announcing apply to the factional kill too?

[Ircher]

Pretty sure it's confirm 13-4. Like I said earlier, my role is pretty useless since I lose my vote the day after I use it.

[Ircher]

My role is I can choose a player during the day to make a one night neighborhood with. On the following day, I lose my vote.

[Ircher]

I also can only use the ability once.

[Ircher]

I would recommend you ignore DkKoba.

[Ircher]

Don't try a post by post catch up. Honestly, this town will let you get by with very little.

[Ircher]

I'm going to try to get into this game tonight. Completely overwhelmed with all the posts and I don't want to stand out like a nail to get hammered. Will post in the game thread tonight.

I think you need to post a bit more. Show a bit more investment in the game.

[Ircher]

i'm a lost cause i think

enforcer thalpine and kill?

You should continue posting.

[Ircher]

Are you replacing Nurse or Cook? I'd suggest posting something, anything, to get people to redirect.

[Ircher]

I'm kind of lost with the Amway stuff...

[Ircher]

is Koba a mafia traitor?

Not possible:

hello! this is a 17-player game with 4 mafia roles and 13 town roles.

[Ircher]

I think best scenario for us is Aureal getting limmed here. I won't be able to really swap votes except maybe as a last minute hammer, but if you can give a good enough impression to avoi dyour lim, that'd be great.

[Ircher]

Bingle's really the only one of us equipped for end game. Honestly, I kind of want to kill DkKoba despite their role.

[Ircher]

I think Cook did. It's still pretty close to Cook's actual role though.

[Ircher]

I honestly don't remember what Bingle claimed.

[Ircher]

Cook kills DkKoba.

Placeholder. I'm okay doing something else if this is too risky.

[Ircher]

Oh... Well I think we're okay in terms of (fake)claims then. That wasn't what I was expecting but I don't think it resembles anything any of us claimed.

[Ircher]

What does enforcer do again btw?

[Ircher]

I mean, I don't see the resemblance between Bingle's claim and the flip, so.... I wouldn't bus too hard there.

[Ircher]

I'd rather you'd not do that. We'll just have to be careful that Bingle doesn't get to E-1.

I think you're better off not trying to confirm your role in any way. I don't think people will really question you on it, and it makes us less likely to give away info.

[Ircher]

REMINDER:
6 listmods submitted 4 roles each: 3 town, 1 scum.
Of those 24 roles, only 17 were used.
There should be six groups of roles in total, with seven roles randomly subtracted from them.
This means there's

theoretically

enough for one group to be entirely absent, and one group to only have a single role. This is the most extreme and would leave the other four groups full at 4/4.
More realistically, most groups should have ~3. However, any group with 4/4 guarantees netting scum. (Every group of 4 increases the odds of other groups being smaller.)

Group 6 -

Leftovers2

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Alisae:

1x ignite arsonist - can mark one person per night up to two, can ignite once in game killing marked targets.
I don't know, tbh. Arsonist is a standard role, and it has a standard modifier. Nobody else has this.

Group 5 -

Leftovers

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Ircher:

Day-Neighborizer, loses vote on following day.
Educated guess: there's only six groups, these roles don't fit in the below, but don't match with Alisae's.

DragonEater70:

Cop who loses role when town is eliminated.
Educated guess: there's only six groups, these roles don't fit in the below, but don't match with Alisae's.

Group 4 -

nonstandard role with modifier group?

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3/4 names

Theta Alpine:

Desperate Treevivor Doomer - Temporary treestump of those investigating as a different alignment to her, must be used within 24 hours of the player's death.
Speculation, nonstandard roles with modifiers paired together.

Skygazer:

Compulsive Loan Shark - Gives people control of vote on even days. Takes control of actions of the player on the following night.
Speculation, nonstandard roles with modifiers paired together.

Random Nurse:

Non-Consecutive Enforcer - rolestopper for everything except nightkills.
Speculation, nonstandard roles with modifiers paired together.

Group 3 -

PenguinPower?

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3/4 names

Save The Dragons:

Hotelier - Neighborizes two players, but only for that night. (This is PenguinPower's, presumably. The listmod needed awareness of Community Redux.)
Speculation; given the similarity between Aureal's claim and the Hotelier(which actually

was

a cult), this is probably the same group of roles.

AniX:

Restricted Joat of some kind. Three 1x abilities triggered upon performing certain actions or lack thereof during the day. Delayer (not voting restriction), tracker (vote crazy), vig (tunnel vote).
Presumably, paired with Aureal's group. Speculation; given the similarity between Aureal's claim and the cult-Hotelier, if AniX is also in the group, these three would all be together.

Aureal:

Amway Seller? (Basically a cult without the alignment.) Opens neighborhood with people, who then get to accept, requires a sales pitch (dayplay-related). People in neighborhood gain access to all abilities within, more people = more abilities available. However, people within can't use powers beyond the set offered while within, and must use a night action to leave. One of the powers is a neighborizer, which spreads the powers. Powers:1 in, message; 3 in, neighborhood; 6 in, roleblock + auto-recruit; 10 in, vig. (Being honest, I really don't wrap my head around Aureal's claim. I think the grouping's accurate spec though.)
Presumably, paired with AniX's group. Speculation; given the similarity between this role and the Hotelier cult role, they are presumably in the same role group.

Group 2 -

nonstandard modifier standard role group?

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4/4 names;

must contain scum

Doctor Drew:

Eternal Universal Backup - inherits the role of the last town player to die, continuously.
Bit speculative here, I think the standard roles with nonstandard modifiers are a group.

DKKoba:

Temporary Death Miller - flips as random scum role in the game until that role dies.
Bit speculative here, I think the standard roles with nonstandard modifiers are a group. The mechanics of the Death Miller are slightly unusual, in a way similar to the mechanics of the Universal Backup.

Political Clout:

Sensitive Tracker - can't act night after targeting different alignment.
Bit speculative here, I think the standard roles with nonstandard modifiers are a group.

Bingle:

Immune townie - can't be altered in any way/shape/form, can choose between bp or ascetic.
Might be part of my speculative "nonstandard modifier, standard role" group, with the modifier being the entire role for Bingle.

In this group, HURT: Doctor Drew

Group 1 -

Implosion?

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4/4 names;

must contain scum

(possible epicmafia player, implosion was an EM player)

Ranger:

Passifizer - Disables passives/modifiers for that night and following day, becomes miller during night when using.
I suspect I'm in the {Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub} group by the similar role naming scheme.

Cook:

Modifier - gives random negative utility to target.
(I suspect is in my role group. I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

camelCasedSnivy:

Baker - gives out goods which can self-roleblock when eaten, baked goods can be passed on, can only be used three times.
(I suspect is in my role group. I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

KatyKimFanClub:

Revealer - reveals a random player's role if killed. (Sounds like what some call the Oracle role.)
(Might be in my role group? I believe my group, by the role names as a clue, is {Ranger, Cook, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub}.)

In this group, HURT: Cook

I need a reference on claims. Thanks Ranger!

[Ircher]

I mean, I don't see the resemblance between Bingle's claim and the flip, so.... I wouldn't bus too hard there.

the problem here is thus:

hated is the only modifier that can realistically show as negative utility? bingle claimed unchangeable townie, and by being hated, that would contradict being unchangeable

therefore, if i claim i successfully put hated on bingle, then that hard-guilties him

Since you're getting asked, you should claim you either didn't use your ability or choose someone you think is scummy (camel? Skygazer?) and say you used your ability there.

[Ircher]

I'd probably go with the former if you think you have a reasonable chance of getting away with it.

[Ircher]

I don't think it's unreasonable to decide

not

to use it since it is purported negative utility. Unless you claimed compulsive. In which case, you'll have to decide on what modifier you gave. I'd suggest something like ascetic or macho. Those won't be super easy to verify immediately. Don't claim something like hated or loud or announcing.

[Ircher]

Yeah no action is probably best. I don't think people will question that too much.

[Ircher]

you sure a bus isn't gonna help?

I'm less sure at this point. I don't think I comprehend the mechanical arguments Theta et al are pushing that makes Bingle "confirmed scum". I probably won't be joining you, but it's your call.

[Ircher]

DE70 dies tonight, that's a good miskill. doc drew('s slot?) is lockscummed by ranger, so if ranger continues to be a threat we can toss that

yimmy since you can't do nonconsec enforcer tonight i think it's wise to kill one of theta alpine or ranger, to stop that combo? maybe there's a better kill in there. maybe it's the arsonist. probably is the arsonist.

I think Theta's the better kill here from a reads perspective.

[Ircher]

Tentative actions. Feel free to adjust.

Yimmy kills Theta Alpine.
Cook gives Loved, Hated, Loud, Macho to Cook.
Cook gives Ninja, Announcing, Bulletproof to Yimmy.

[Ircher]

I messed that up. Let me edit that.

Yimmy kills Theta Alpine.
Cook gives Loved, Hated, Announcing, Macho to Cook.
Cook gives Ninja, Bulletproof to Yimmy.

Also

@Mod: Would bulletproof protect against death from an arsonist igniting?

If not, it may make more sense to give the bulletproof to Cook.

[Ircher]

Ego <3

I messed that up. Let me edit that.

Yimmy kills Theta Alpine.
Cook gives Loved, Hated, Announcing, Macho to Cook.
Cook gives Ninja, Bulletproof to Yimmy.

[Ircher]

Well, let's see how long I last.

[Ircher]

Ircher kills Political Clout.
Ircher sends the following message to Political Clout:

"Hello from Amway. Can I interest you in a unique investment opportunity?"

[Ircher]

Ircher kills Enchant.
Ircher sends the following message to Enchant:

"Hello from Amway. Can I interest you in a unique investment opportunity?"
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