Open 883 - Swinger's Hall

[yessiree]

watch me hit da griddy

VOTE: dannflor

[yessiree]

Ego

Get on the floor
now

[yessiree]

VOTE: Klick

[yessiree]

and why is it not really needed

[yessiree]

what is a preemptive offensive play

and why is it not really needed

What do the two of you think I might mean by what I said

you doubled down and then tripled down on an rvs OMGUSing you, you didn't exactly leave a lot of wiggle room to give you any benefit of the doubt?

[yessiree]

VOTE: aristeia
her posting doesn't feel natural

You could be right, actually.
VOTE: Ari

is RH9-Klick a scum pair? I mean it's theoretically possible right?

[yessiree]

cakez immediately coming to the defense of Klick just screams scum tactic strongarming the conflict and trying to take control of the narrative

[yessiree]

Nolim is lame and I'd rather not do it. I agree with Dannflor that even if mechanically optimal in an ideal world, the effect it'd have on the gamestate would ultimately give us less info and it'd be at best neutral overall (plus we waste a week of time waiting around)

if we decide to go with my plan,

it would be effectively deciding to eliminate me and Klick

which is two eliminations in 7 days

and faster than most games go?

gotta hand it to you for turning a dance mechanic into a double suicide one

[yessiree]

yea I know, but idk if I'm on board with your plan tho

it bypasses voting, so it kinda removes accountability from players since they don't need to commit to a vote
a lot less can be gleaned from people voting for nolim than voting to eliminate specific players/pairs

[yessiree]

is yessire a villlager for wanting to go against no-elimination?

odd that that's like the only reason you're using to read me here

[yessiree]

is yessire a villlager for wanting to go against no-elimination?

I have no real idea.
I can see a townie who wants a lim to provide potential VCA.
I can also see scum who realises that Ari's strategy is bound to force scum into pairing in the swing phase while minimising the amount of scummy players to hide behind.
IMO, if they think Cakez/Klick could be aligned, wouldn't it be better to get them to pair together or force them to not get paired?
Because that way, both their SRs are dead in a single shot.

i didn't like ari's strategy because it allows people to simply tag along to a predetermined consensus on the lims instead of committing to voting for the lim. I think voting naturally tends to produce more meaningful content that can still be relevant in later days, even if the consensus is on the most scummy players right now

i see its merit, i just dont think its the move. i think this is one of those computer chess moves that is optimal if you play perfectly optimal, i dont think humans play perfectly optimal every move

not sure what you mean by minimizing the amount of scummy players to hide behind?

[yessiree]

Ydrasse your memory is probably accurate but is missing the context of me losing faith in the process of explaining my half-baked thoughts actually being effective at anything helpful

i mean i would find them helpful even if they were raw if you’re town

That might be true for you but I feel like I'd just get a bunch of question marks and votes from enough people in the game to make it not worth

i fail to see how this is coming from a town mindset?
you make assumptions about how you're going to be perceived by others, so you don't even try?
seems like you overextended, realized no one was biting on it, realized the heat was coming to you, so you cut offany further discussion before you dug yourself an even bigger hole. are you actually scum bro?

[yessiree]

cakez immediately coming to the defense of Klick just screams scum tactic strongarming the conflict and trying to take control of the narrative

i don't even have a take on klick right now, ftr and i'm down with ari's proposed plan to elim her and Klick

lol what? you don't have a take on klick, yet you are perfectly fine with calling out on aris for having similar content as Klick, but write off Klick as "page 1 rvs bs"
do u not see how this indirectly paints Klick in a better light despite him being more scummy imo in that back and forth

i could be biased here because i dont see how ari can be scum here, scum doesn't play with this level of needless aggression right out of the gate

[yessiree]

the difference being im using mine to try to discern alignment of another player, but u were using yours to guess how you are going to be perceived by others, this distinction is significant and imo alignment indicative in ur case

[yessiree]

the difference being im using mine to try to discern alignment of another player, but u were using yours to guess how you are going to be perceived by others, this distinction is significant and imo alignment indicative in ur case

Town can and should also care how they are perceived by others

Whether or not I care how I am perceived by others when I am town is something that is easy to verify

Or if you don't want to do the work there are people in this game that already have that knowledge

feels like you're turning this into a trust tell because you're saying you never do this as scum so it's wrong of me to read you this way
if not, then why do you have an issue with it?

or are you saying im not qualified to read me because im not well versed in your meta, in which case i wont play ball

[yessiree]

edit last sentence

or are you saying im not qualified to read

you

because im not well versed in your meta, in which case i wont play ball

[yessiree]

the difference being im using mine to try to discern alignment of another player, but u were using yours to guess how you are going to be perceived by others, this distinction is significant and imo alignment indicative in ur case

I think it is very silly to assume town would not do this

if i can get scum looking a lil silly, thats a price im willing to pay

[yessiree]

you rang?

[yessiree]

story of my life

[yessiree]

Drew I thought u were gonna cook, not play with fire

[yessiree]

The Mafia, Alisae, Ydrasse, and yessiree have been kicked out of the dance hall. THE DANCE WILL CONTINUE FOREVER!

[yessiree]

was there supposed to be a dead PT and Jingle forgot to add me?

[yessiree]

ah gotchu

[yessiree]

i did not expect Drew to explode on us like that
not saying it would've significantly impacted the outcome had he not done that, but i basically found out i was dead before i could even do anything

[yessiree]

i think the setup is mostly fine besides some numbers tuning, town just played extremely well obvtowning and correctly townreading each other. With a performance like this scum is gonna struggle in any setup

id maybe like to start off everyone unpaired and add a pregame phase for the initial pairing, so there's some strategy involved instead of RNG