questionable things you can do under normal guidelines

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You guys are really sadistic

I guess I can join you in that sadism:

- Compulsive Loyal Vigilante

- Complex Cop but all the Mafia are goons and all the town are VTs and a Miller.

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Actually,

Combined Serial Killer Lazy Doctor

(can basically only kill once all maf is dead)

I kinda want this in a game NGL.

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psychologist

I was in a game with a psychologist once.

Unsurprisingly, town lost.

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loud announcing combined fruit vendor mailman friendly neighbor security guard

"you were targeted by skygazer"
"you were targeted by a fruit vendor"
"you received a fruit"
"you were targeted by skygazer"
"you were targeted by a mailman"
"you received the following mailman message: sorry..."
"you were targeted by skygazer"
"you were targeted by a friendly neighbor"
"skygazer is town"
"you were targeted by skygazer"
"you were targeted by a security guard"
"you were targeted by skygazer"
"you were targeted by skygazer"
"you were targeted by skygazer"

(ideally all as separate PMs)

I can't believe you forgot Visionary.

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Idea

Stolen:

Player1

Welcome, Player1, to the game!

You are a

Informed Townie

.

You know additional information about the setup: Player2 is informed that you are informed. They also know that you are informed of this.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Player2

Welcome, Player2, to the game!

You are a

Informed Townie

.

You know additional information about the setup: Player1 is informed that you are informed. They also know that you are informed of this.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

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Disloyal Friendly Neighbor

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Compulsive Loyal Roleblocker

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I had been thinking thinking of making a theme game out of this thread + Normal Idea Mafia since about post 10.

[DragonEater70]

Loyal Serial Killer

Weak Serial Killer

Complex Serial Killer

[DragonEater70]

I actually think PRs that are secretly negative/no utility is good game design.

Hmm, maybe I'll try it one day.

[DragonEater70]

Okay, what about:

Informed Townie: you are informed this setup was design by ____ (modName)


Also, hi Alianna! Hi Snivy! Good seeing you here.

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ive always thought the idea of super powerful informed roles were bastard

like: an SK that knows everyones role and alignment

I'm pretty sure it's not very Normal but I don't think it counts as bastard? Cause in my understanding, "bastard" specifically refers to when the mod is lying to the players or influencing the game, or doing other sadistic, unfair things which are "against the rules" (like reviving people or changing alignments).

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Okay I'm laughing so hard right now

Player1

Welcome, Player1, to the game!

You are a

Informed Townie

.

You know additional information about the setup: If there is at least 1 scum in players 2-10, then it is impossible that all of players 11-13 are scum.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Aka, tautology.

[DragonEater70]

Honestly that could probably have been a real setup in the Normal Queue, with how crazy some of the setups have been sometimes.

[DragonEater70]

Is night start Normal?

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Would something like this count?

N2 Informed Townie
You will be informed of something on Night 2.

Night 2 message:
You are informed that had you attempted to track PLAYER2 on Night 1,you would have gotten the following result:
RESULT

(like would informed modifier be able to even include past game events?)

[DragonEater70]

Closed setup:
11x VT
2x Mafia Goon

Holy shit that's evil toward BOTH sides

[DragonEater70]

Snivy, what does the reporter do exactly?

[DragonEater70]

Combined Cop-Finder Doctor-Finder Vigilante-Finder Finder-Finder Gunsmith-Finder Bodyguard-Finder Babysitter-Finder ad infinitum.

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1-shot activated traitor (just in case you need a little space at any point)

I actually like this idea, definitely will put it in a game at some point.

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Redacted.

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Vig inventor inventor inventor inventor inventor (You can vig on N6)

Bulletproof Cop

Three traitors and one goon in a 17p game

[DragonEater70]

I also have a really silly setup idea but maybe it's runnable so I wonder if I should post it here or troll the NRG with it.

[DragonEater70]

Wdym?

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Wdym?

because they don’t know you’re disloyal, you could just start the next day like 'I feel like someone has something to share' and mafia wouldn’t risk hiding it probably

Oh that's smart

[DragonEater70]

Oh my gosh

That's fucking genius

[DragonEater70]

Hey did you know you could technically create thaumaturge using Complex Normal guidelines?

Combined Complex Loyal Checker Simple Disloyal Checker

If the result is one check negative, one check positive, then the check hit either a TPR or a vanilla nontown. If the result is two negatives, then the check hit either a VT or a non-vanilla non-town.

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the fact is that even if that works, by endgame, people will start wondering "huh why is the vig still alive"

Actually no

A few months ago I claimed JK as scum, "stopped" two kills, wasn't killed the following two nights, and literally nobody questioned me being town at ELo. Then in another game Flavor Leaf claimed a PR, guiltied his scum buddy, was "cleared" based on this, and was never shot before ELo and still won.

So yeah, this kind of gambit does work. Not always obviously, but often enough.

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Juggernaut-Immune Townie

For extra hilarity, there's no Doctor.

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What part? Role-Immune is now a Complex Normal role. Juggernaut is a role. What's the problemo.

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And this IS the

questionable

things you could do under normal guidelines thread.

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Role-Immune (wiki link)