Mini Normal 2317 - Postgame

[Naerys]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Hello people

[Naerys]

VOTE: KeyLaga
Pretty sure Elements is trolling and Key taking the bait isn’t great.

To me it feels like a newbie town response

[Naerys]

Serious business everyone already playing

I'm locktowning mayhemthrone Organized Khaos + OutWorldER

Celebloki sus

Locktowning this early? Sus

[Naerys]

Bingle wagon grows quickly. The question is why, though. I dont feel as if anything Bingle said would indicate that he is scum.

[Naerys]

@ Khaos: How many scum do you think we have?

2-4

Alt or newbie?

Newbie lol though I have played mafia/werewolf before. Just not used to so long games.

Hope you´ll enjoy the game we will continue seeing you here

[Naerys]

Perhaps Binge forgot to count himself?

[Naerys]

Shame Flavor leaves us, but in that short while his slot felt towny.

[Naerys]

Gamma Emerald (3): Naerys, Bingle, Elements
Bingle (3): Random Nurse, Organized Khaos, Key
KeyLaga (1): Flavor Leaf
Flavor Leaf (1): Celeb
Khaos (1): Out
Not Voting (2): mayhemthrone, Eiralox, Kitty, Gamma Emerald

Revised due to human error (of course) >.<

You're not trying to appease me with your eagerness to help out, are you?

Nurse probably town too

[Naerys]

Flavor because he is not participating in this game, just wagoning without any explanations.

Thats exactly why i think Flavor slot is towny.

[Naerys]

As scum he participates in a game a lot. Manipulates town.
Basically the more he engages the game, the bigger chance of FL being scum.

[Naerys]

Flavor because he is not participating in this game, just wagoning without any explanations.

Thats exactly why i think Flavor slot is towny.

And that's enough to make you think he's Towny?

He could be faking it, ofc. Its just my initial feeling of the slot, which could change.

[Naerys]

This game is pretty confusing I don't know what to do right now.

Yeah D1 can be rather confusing. Later days are better, since we can look at vote counts and night kills.

[Naerys]

Bingle/Key/Kitty/Cele good start

...

What do you think of my town block?

Stating Cele as town, when he is confirmed town... i think its a sus.

[Naerys]

This is true but the truth is, even though it is D1, it is no excuse for trying one's best to generate reads on players & try to figure out who is scum. One should be able to communicate something about what they think about various game events, interactions and players, even on D1, right?

Yes. It starts to get easier after like 10-15 pages in, when there is enough posts to start getting feeling of ppl. Also from my experience, if you see person complaining about having too little SR / too much TR, its decent chance that person could be scum.

[Naerys]

@Naer: I know that you are aware of this and can prove it. If I were to ask you: What do you think about Bingle vs. Gamma, what would you say?

Its quite curious that while Gamma didnt seem to like Bingle´s posts, voted you instead.

I feel like engaging with you isn't really worth it? I get a feeling you don't care to genuinely sort me. That doesn't exactly make you scum, but it means I feel like my efforts are better placed elsewhere.

This kinda gives me red flag alert tbh.

[Naerys]

Gamma´s 262 doesnt feel like townie mindset.

[Naerys]

Was there much suspicion on Smiley at the end of day 1?

Wrong game, i believe.

[Naerys]

hat lying about one's role as town is discouraged because it causes doubt and confusion in the town and is very likely to backfire.

large 244 is example of this

[Naerys]

Should we run Elements up here under LAL?

Seems like fine lim for me

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Elements

[Naerys]

Oh, hello Chell!

[Naerys]

Why chaos?

[Naerys]

Hm...
Ele vs Key might be TvT
Also, greetings Doctor Drew

[Naerys]

VOTE: celebloki

it's him gettim everyone

I dont understand.

[Naerys]

I have not figured out how to use the isolate button or had time.

https://ibb.co/V2WGXMZ
In there you will select user you wish to ISO, and then you will click on GO, which is at the bottom of the user list

[Naerys]

Yeah i dont like Eira posts very much

[Naerys]

VOTE: OutWorldER

Chell has given reasons
Bingle hasnt but i have that read on ice for good reason
Congrats u got me 2 vote
Please expand why me

Your posts feel like a fishing for info.

[Naerys]

You realize that giving townreads is not very impressive, right?

Townlock is like a flintlock but more townier and like a bikelock but less bikish.
I don't have to be impressive to be right.

This post gives quite self confident vibe. Not in good way tho. Also it feels as if you were mocking Key

[Naerys]

I believe the scum are: Elements, Bingle & Eira. Within the space of just 5 posts I watch them start derailing the Elements wagon (today in the mid-late afternoon CST); you can watch Eira peel off and try to get a wagon with Celeb and right after that Bingle start with Gamma. When you watch it unfold in the thread, it totally looks like a coordinated scum PT action.

In case I get hammered overnight, I did my best.

remember i did warn u about pushing me consider this the final one
i think if town you're a vt
vt's don't have good chances d1
i like d1 no elims
most others don't
best of luck

This is a no-no post. Basically hidden threat. And besides those "townlocked" names at your earliest comments you posted no reads.
I feel passive agression from you.

[Naerys]

Also there is no way town likes D1 no elims. We need wagons, we need info.

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: Eiralox

[Naerys]

I believe the scum are: Elements, Bingle & Eira. Within the space of just 5 posts I watch them start derailing the Elements wagon (today in the mid-late afternoon CST); you can watch Eira peel off and try to get a wagon with Celeb and right after that Bingle start with Gamma. When you watch it unfold in the thread, it totally looks like a coordinated scum PT action.

In case I get hammered overnight, I did my best.

remember i did warn u about pushing me consider this the final one
i think if town you're a vt
vt's don't have good chances d1
i like d1 no elims
most others don't
best of luck

This is a no-no post. Basically hidden threat. And besides those "townlocked" names at your earliest comments you posted no reads.
I feel passive agression from you.

Agression and passive agression is who i am ffs
Are u protecting outworkder here or what

No, i am scum hunting. Your shading will not work.

[Naerys]

Holy crap is that an accidental hammer??

Eh what? I thought there was barely any vote on Eira

[Naerys]

Can anyone find atleast some town mindset in Eira ISO? Bcz i dont see ANY

[Naerys]

My mind is made. You are scum.

[Naerys]

Yummy, stole pagetop from mod

[Naerys]

Can anyone find atleast some town mindset in Eira ISO? Bcz i dont see ANY

Wtf is this

U think im this bad at scum

U want townmindset?

Vote laga or outworlder.

Thats all the town mindset i need

Lim the scum

Why do you think they are scum?

[Naerys]

How about giving some reason?

[Naerys]

i smelled a rat and i think they're it

[Naerys]

Can anyone find atleast some town mindset in Eira ISO? Bcz i dont see ANY

Wtf is this

U think im this bad at scum

U want townmindset?

Vote laga or outworlder.

Thats all the town mindset i need

Lim the scum

Hmmm. Comical third option.

VOTE: Naerys

Reasons?

[Naerys]

Whats so funny

your confidence

[Naerys]

Care to answer me, Bingle?

[Naerys]

I think im onboard for a laga elim regardless of alignment.
Need to actually read outworlder iso

Policy elim are meh.

[Naerys]

I dont get how someone TR Eira, tbh. From my point of view, that behavior is anti-town at best. If someone could explain, why they think Eira is town, i would welcome that.

[Naerys]

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

Nope. I find Eira´s posts to be suspicious. Its certainly deserving of putting some pressure on Eira. Everyone deserves scrutiny. How else am i to figure who is town and who is scum, if not from their reactions? I dislike D1 too, but thats not a reason for not trying to sort people out.

[Naerys]

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

Nope. I find Eira´s posts to be suspicious. Its certainly deserving of putting some pressure on Eira. Everyone deserves scrutiny. How else am i to figure who is town and who is scum, if not from their reactions? I dislike D1 too, but thats not a reason for not trying to sort people out.

you're just sorting me
not touching all my spam
starting to think Bingle is 100% right on u

I dont understand. Of course i am trying to sort people. You and Elements belong to the suspicious group. Then there is null group, where are mainly people i would like to hear more from - Nurse, OutWorldER,Khaos.Also Binge is there, they are pretty hard for me to read.
As town i have Gamma, Celebloki,Kitty.
Chell,Drew and Laga i have yet to sort. Their time will come.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys

Reasons?

[Naerys]

any thoughts on elements and KeyLaga interactions?

Element was trolling at the beginning which made Laga to comment on this. Strange is, that Laga then went for voting you.

@Bingle: Wow thanks! This is excellent info.

I think I will move here: VOTE: Eira

Actually nvm!

VOTE: Unvote

I am not of a mind to vote Elements and find no place to put my vote atm.

[Naerys]

Also this is kinda funny:

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

I thought it sounded like scum speaking in the "we" as opposed to the town "we" (yes, tenuous at best). But then he revealed he is a game designer and I realized there was no way he could scum-slip there.

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

There is exactly 1 minute between those posts. Are they reading their minds or what?

[Naerys]

I am starting to believe OutWorldER-Laga-Elements contains atleast 1 scum.
Got bit of sidetracked while answering to Eira.
Element/Laga feels a bit like theatre early, later the argument feels genuine from Laga
Laga has some posts that feel towny and then some posts that do not sit really well with me.

Why is not outing that info smart?

I think you know already. I am willing to say I know you know, in fact.

It's something scum know, why would you not tell town?

WOW! The scum know this?? I THINK MOST CERTAINLY NOT! Why do I think this? Because here you are trying to justify your actions.

Then town aren't on the back foot and it tells the tp that crumbing in dangerous as scum could be looking out for it

I am certainly willing to have an actual conversation with you but I can't quite figure out what you mean by this last quote if you could please re-phrase it somehow?

Element feels fake, Laga geniune

[Naerys]

Creepy Celeb Encounter: You're going to die but maybe you'll live if you don't try too hard

this is a direct lie btw and a good example of KeyLaga's lazy push strat on Eira

I know u wanna play but the more dangerous u become the more utility your role has.
Sure scum takes our inno but they miss prs. And if we got a watcher or adjacent role...

Eira is saying exactly the opposite: If Celebloki tries hard today/gets a good elim and dies tonight that's +town.
The other two scenarios being:
1. Celebloki doesn't try hard but still dies n1, less use
2.Celebloki doesn't try hard and scum keep him alive till near the end. worst case scenario.

I'm cautioning everyone to think very carefully here
Don't get lost in the sauce because this game is moving 2 fast.

I am inclined to be supporting this post as I am catching up here. I will be re-evaluating once I have caught up.

I like that Eira post.

[Naerys]

I am starting to believe OutWorldER-Laga-Elements contains atleast 1 scum.

Element feels like the most likely

[Naerys]

Wait so it wasn't a joke Ele? Are you serious about your informed?

I'll tell you if you VOTE: bingle

[Naerys]

Not to mention Elements needs to clarify THEIR Informed and based on that I have to re-think...

No I don't

[Naerys]

This is clearly a Informed themed game and how did she know this when nobody had claimed prior to her? Her confederates received the Informed roles too.
I would adjure you not to dismiss me out of hand, work through the actual logic, confront me with it and I will answer every step.

Is it? Was it described as such in the sign ups?

90% of what Key is saying is speculative but said in a way claiming it to be real

[Naerys]

if being obstereperous is fake then sure

Depends on the point of view.

[Naerys]

I think I agree with Bingle's case here most of all, and honestly looking through the pages with an actual earnest eye it feels like Eira is getting mostly scumread for differences in playstyle rather than being actually scummy, and Naerys's post towards Eira here feel like that most of all and the thing that sells a Naerys vote here for me is it honestly looks like Naerys is cognizant of this fact.

100% incorrect.

[Naerys]

I think I agree with Bingle's case here most of all, and honestly looking through the pages with an actual earnest eye it feels like Eira is getting mostly scumread for differences in playstyle rather than being actually scummy, and Naerys's post towards Eira here feel like that most of all and the thing that sells a Naerys vote here for me is it honestly looks like Naerys is cognizant of this fact.

Its kinda BS you and Bingle are trying to present here. I literally posted why i SR Eira. For example - claiming that D1 is better with no lim has exactly 0% town mindset. Just for saying that, Eira SHOULD be suspected. Plus saying few names and "vote them instead" without elaborating doesnt really help my reading them either. Thats what i saw scum doing. I liked some of the Eira´s latest posts so i am reconsidering some stuff rn. But i strongly dislike your post. It smells with shading.

[Naerys]

I think I agree with Bingle's case here most of all, and honestly looking through the pages with an actual earnest eye it feels like Eira is getting mostly scumread for differences in playstyle rather than being actually scummy, and Naerys's post towards Eira here feel like that most of all and the thing that sells a Naerys vote here for me is it honestly looks like Naerys is cognizant of this fact.

Its kinda BS you and Bingle are trying to present here. I literally posted why i SR Eira. For example - claiming that D1 is better with no lim has exactly 0% town mindset. Just for saying that, Eira SHOULD be suspected. Plus saying few names and "vote them instead" without elaborating doesnt really help my reading them either. Thats what i saw scum doing. I liked some of the Eira´s latest posts so i am reconsidering some stuff rn. But i strongly dislike your post. It smells with shading.

I could see "no elim D1" coming from a town mindset. I don't agree with it, but I could see it. "Saying few names and 'vote them instead'" does not really seem to be what Eiralox the majority of the time though.

"Shading" I'm actively voting you, gal.

You are casting shadow on my opinions. "and Naerys's post towards Eira here feel like that most of all and the thing that sells a Naerys vote here for me is it honestly looks like Naerys is cognizant of this fact." dont tell me that this isnt attempt to paint me as a liar

[Naerys]

What am I trying to say you're lying about.

My point is it seemed you were cognizant of playstyle differences between you and Eira and were pushing Eira for it anyways. What am I trying to say you're lying about there?

Exactly this. I am NOT pushing Eira bcz of playstyle difference

[Naerys]

One of your main points against Eira is that Eira said "I like no elims D1"

Explain how this is not a playstyle difference that you were pushing Eira for.

Beceause D1 lim gives us important info? We get to see wagon, see where who voted whom. Whom benefits from no lims, from denying informations to town? Scum. I dont see a single town motivation behind D1 lim. NOT- A-SINGLE-ONE
If you call that wishing to lim for playstyle difference then we will clash during whole game i suppose

[Naerys]

Okay but if Eira has said this multiple times throughout their mafia career, as they have very clearly stated they have, then it is, in fact, a playstyle difference. Eira has no reason to lie about a verifiable fact, so frankly it doesn't matter that you disagree with that opinion.

So frankly it doesn't matter that you disagree with that opinion.

[Naerys]

@Naer: 245 just finished! Of course I had Flavor pegged as town for his interactions with town but like you said, he ended up being scum! Excellent read!

Well we discussed it in dead thread. Also FL in 244 where he was town was not engaged in the game as he was in 245 as scum. He is scarily good though.

[Naerys]

Naerys otoh, feels like an opportunistic pile on to someone who is getting a bunch of heat and refusing to engage over it. I'm also not a huge fan of the major uptick in activity right after I called out for people who hadn't done much of anything to receive scrutiny.

Nope. I find Eira´s posts to be suspicious. Its certainly deserving of putting some pressure on Eira. Everyone deserves scrutiny. How else am i to figure who is town and who is scum, if not from their reactions? I dislike D1 too, but thats not a reason for not trying to sort people out.

you're just sorting me
not touching all my spam
starting to think Bingle is 100% right on u

I dont understand. Of course i am trying to sort people. You and Elements belong to the suspicious group. Then there is null group, where are mainly people i would like to hear more from - Nurse, OutWorldER,Khaos.Also Binge is there, they are pretty hard for me to read.
As town i have Gamma, Celebloki,Kitty.
Chell,Drew and Laga i have yet to sort. Their time will come.

you know what, I feel like asking this: why am I town here? The other TRs have mechanically sound points on them but I'm just town by play, I want to know why you have me set with the conftown already.

You feel similiar like in 245. I know i did SR you there but you turned town.

[Naerys]

One of your main points against Eira is that Eira said "I like no elims D1"

Explain how this is not a playstyle difference that you were pushing Eira for.

^

Don't hang people for wanting a d1 no elim. Usually it's a townie making a bad play. It won't make them change their ways.

funny i didn't even vote no lim here just said i like 'em
past games people also hated on the concept when i did vote
still that's not why i'm voting naerys on it's own i might view it as NAI

I once dared to suggest a no lim at D1 as a townie and got yeeted from game with a speed of light for that. It wasnt at this site. I thought there were good points raised against the D1 no lim and those who suggest it so i kinda reflected their opinions on this for quite some time. People here raised some good points thoigh and i got a lot to think about

[Naerys]

Nice bloop Elements

[Naerys]

Me being honest again results in called being fake. Lol. Idk what i am doing wrong anymore

[Naerys]

Laga: This guy is clogging up the thread with all sorts of crazy posts. His early day cases on Bingle were absolutely horrid, lacking logical coherency. His 1v1 with Elements has sapped everything good out of this game and he had to be forcibly restrained from posting his wild theories concerning elements for the good of this game. Now he pushes the Eira wagon which is really just a veiled extension of his wild theories anyway. With all of this overt game manipulation, he is a strong scum read and even if he is not scum for some bizarre reason, he really should be the D1 lim for the good of this game and the players within it.

A read on yourself? Thats new

[Naerys]

Like really, i have never seen somebody doing that

[Naerys]

There is something wicked going on with those wagons

[Naerys]

I’d like y’all to respond to this. How do the three of you feel about each other? Also how does RN feel about anything?

Chell - leaning town
Laga - leaning town

[Naerys]

There is something wicked going on with those wagons

if you are town the fact that you have a weak vote on me doesnt help the situation
if you're scum

Bsically the same could be said about your vote.

[Naerys]

I dont have buddies, i have a bag full of envelopes though.

[Naerys]

I suppose being killed by envelope would hurt

[Naerys]

Making a large number of posts isnt AI. Check large 244 where Flavor and Virgo made HUGE number of posts. Both were town.

[Naerys]

Element wants to lim Key for his playstyle. Sus.

[Naerys]

Making a large number of posts isnt AI. Check large 244 where Flavor and Virgo made HUGE number of posts. Both were town.

How dare you criticize my scum case against myself!?

Wow though excellent point and in truth, I must agree with you. However, scum CAN use this technique to control town. I personally would never do this intentionally as scum because its kinda sick; like using IRL issues as part of the game, like almost abusing the game, you know?

Yep.

[Naerys]

When I flip town, and when/if Eira flips town, where do you go from there?

@gamma
@naerys
to you too

Key. I dont have him locked as town and i could see a possibility of Key being scum. That said, he is not at top of my lim list atm

[Naerys]

Chell most likely though I probably vote her before Eiralox

Why do you SR Chell?

[Naerys]

Hmm... FL didnt feel as scummy here though

[Naerys]

Ftr my townread on Naerys has dipped pretty recently

Why?

[Naerys]

I think town!you would respond differently after having explained your TR on me as being based on that game, you deflected my point to talk about Chell’s predecessor

I was curious why you SR Chell bcz i personally lean town there. So i was curious if you noticed something i might have missed.
With players i have already played i build my reads based on experience and feeling. Also its still only D1 and there is nothing much to look at, except Laga going after both Eira and Elements.

[Naerys]

“Naer is more likable than Eiralox.” Is in no way alignment indicative.

Agreed. Likeable is quite dangerous word. One day you might find that the person you found the most likeable was scum playing you like a fiddle.

[Naerys]

Hi guys! Reads:
1. Chell - Very sus. I think they are bussing, tried to control discussion but stopped and started being inactive.
2. Doctor Drew - Seems good to me but Idk that's just vibes.
3. KeyLaga - I don't think Mafia would try so hard lol
4. Random Nurse - Has been pretty inactive but I like his posts other then the random vote on Key at the beggining.
5. KittyTacky - I think he is good.
6. Gamma Emerald - Nuetral. There are some things I like, some things I don't like.
7. Eiralox - Key made some good points about Eira being mafia but I'm less certain about Eira then Chell.
8. Celebloki - Celeb is just garunteed to be town lol
9. Naerys - I'm going to be honest, I don't vibe with her posts.
10. Elements - A little sus. I'll keep my eye on them.
11. OutWorldER - For some reason I get town vibes from him.
12. Bingle - Sus.
Okay bye now.

Well done! Glad to see your thoughts. Your effort is appreciated

[Naerys]

Honestly, I'm kinda fine with any of the current wagons and just think we need a flip.

I suggest you get Naerys to claim then. She might have already softed mailman anyway.

!!!!! I got ousted what kind of town does that?

[Naerys]

Well done! Glad to see your thoughts. Your effort is appreciated

This is likely a scum statement

I was trying to cheer up a newbie. Using this as AI is not ethical

[Naerys]

Okay there is no way hiding this anymore. I am

mailman

Eira-Bingle- elements likely contains scum
I thank you you dimwitts for forcing me to claim, honestly

[Naerys]

You forced me to claim and then attempted to SR me for being nice to a newbie. I am not moving from your wagon.

[Naerys]

Again. You forced me to claim. You ousted my soft.

[Naerys]

I will be bluntly frank. I hope we will not meet in any other game.

[Naerys]

The fuk? Multitasking? Okay

[Naerys]

Cute self-righteousness

[Naerys]

Well done! Glad to see your thoughts. Your effort is appreciated

This is likely a scum statement

I was trying to cheer up a newbie. Using this as AI is not ethical

Posts like these are not ethical. It’s a game of mafia. Deception and manipulation is literally the point, including emotional manipulation.

The fuk? So you are telling me i cant be simply nice to a newbie? Without any hidden motivations?
….

[Naerys]

I will be bluntly frank. I hope we will not meet in any other game.

You aren't contributing anything here. You aren't offering us any solid reads. You just vote me on weak reasons and call it a day. If you're alignment is town, somehow, that's fine. I can be an abrasive person and I respect your choice to avoid future possible drama(i'm done with mafia for along time after this anyway).

If you're scum whatever

You are the one talking about contribution LOL, you are just “vote laga” “vote that one” and when it doesnt go as you wish you throw a rant

[Naerys]

Cute self-righteousness

if this is in reference to me: i'm a bastard irl. sometimes at least, in certain aspects. i have nothing to be proud about.

i just want town to win

No, you dont.

[Naerys]

The fuk? So you are telling me i cant be simply nice to a newbie? Without any hidden motivations?
….

I am making an analytical assessment of your play, as elements has done
I am also not interested in useless conflict, directionless conflict
Have a good day and future

I have shared plenty of my reads and rhoughts and reasons. Not my problem that you dont like them, but saying that i dont contribute is complete utter SHIT

[Naerys]

No, you dont.

We are winning this game.

If u are the scum than maybe for now

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[Naerys]

Eira sussy.

For me its clear lim we should be doing today.

[Naerys]

Okay there is no way hiding this anymore. I am

mailman

Eira-Bingle- elements likely contains scum
I thank you you dimwitts for forcing me to claim, honestly

Don't be salty, mailman without restriction modifiers like loyal is a glorified named townie.

I am complex.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Unvote
INTENT FOR D1 HAMMER

now that u unvoted eira is on e-2

[Naerys]

Ok now is the time where we all need to decide when this day ends. I for one have an important post to make before twilight ends and as Elements has so graciously pointed out, we have two mods and twilight should be quite short if at all.

It sounded like Drew wanted the day to extend for reasons.

Obviously we have some slots with very low participation AND we have a new REPLACE incoming. So I can understand why we should wait to end the day.

I think we can agree that Eira is the D1 Elim and we just need to take care of Official Town Business before the deed is actually done.

Oh, okay. That is well pointed out.

[Naerys]

3K scum?

[Naerys]

Its anyone but him lol

Is there actually a person except Celebloki Eira didnt call a scum?

[Naerys]

Welcome

[Naerys]

already caught Naerys scum so wanting to pivot onto hammering me

i thought thats what Key does

[Naerys]

already caught Naerys scum so wanting to pivot onto hammering me

i thought thats what Key does

troll away please you're not as safe as you think in this situation.

This gets old.

[Naerys]

I never forced Naerys to claim.

you only ousted my soft claim

[Naerys]

already caught Naerys scum so wanting to pivot onto hammering me

i thought thats what Key does

troll away please you're not as safe as you think in this situation.

This gets old.

And key doesn't?

No, he isnt as bad in repeating himself as Eira

[Naerys]

Take some responsibility for your own errors. But I'm sooo done with this it's a circus and waste of my time.

Same to you. Take responsibility for your errors, scum

[Naerys]

No, he isnt as bad in repeating himself as Eira

You aren't even trying to appear town

You are just bad at understanding me, deal with it.

[Naerys]

Yeah i also tend to be limbait for scum

[Naerys]

Why are people voting for Key? I don't see Key being scum here.

bcz they hate the number of posts he has been posting

[Naerys]

Okay there is no way hiding this anymore. I am

mailman

Eira-Bingle- elements likely contains scum
I thank you you dimwitts for forcing me to claim, honestly

Don't be salty, mailman without restriction modifiers like loyal is a glorified named townie.

I am complex.

Why would you claim this suddenly as town? Do you recognize how much of a bad idea this is?

bcz i am angry at that mushroom person, and when i am angry i do stupid stuff

[Naerys]

Hey, listen!

bloop?

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: eiralox

[Naerys]

i will, thanks for the tip!

[Naerys]

Hello Titus.
I would like to add that i claimed complex mailman due to my anger at Eira

[Naerys]

Compare to here where he has significantly less than 1% of all posts so far. Same as in Veiled Committee Mafia, where he also had less than 1% of posts (TBF he replaced out, but still had less than 1% of posts by the time he replaced).

Nurse has crappy work shedule. Sometimes he is just too busy

[Naerys]

I dont have buddies, i have a bag full of envelopes though.

This was the soft

[Naerys]

Hello snivy

[Naerys]

also guys celebloki is scum trust me on this

Mod reading this:

[Naerys]

Anyone is free to hammer if they wish so
I am in sleeping mode

[Naerys]

Naerys outing complex for no reason was just... why. Why not keep it as a mailman claim.

When i am angry i do stupid things.

[Naerys]

Sorry, i got knocked out by a headache yesterday

[Naerys]

also organized khaos is literally me so we are not going to lim them

???

me as a newbie, organized khaos is at least making an honest effort and if anyone says to lim organized khaos because theyre deadweight theyre going to the bottom of my list

I agree

[Naerys]

Hm overall looks like we are at a dead point. Eira probably not responding and getting replaced isnt helping much either.

[Naerys]

I disagree with Gamma lim.

[Naerys]

who is scum naerys

I am starting to think there is atleast one scum in Drew/Bingle/Elements

[Naerys]

Here elements TR Bingle:

First of all, both elements and chell are mildly sus based on the informed claims, and solely the informed claims.

However, key is absolutely wrong about elements’ claim being obvscum behavior. If elements claimed information that she didn’t actually have as scum informed, it paints a target on her back and kills the long term survivability of the slot. She will always be a little scummy associated with the claim, and scum elements would have known that.

Regardless of elements’ actual alignment, I’m not particularly interested in wagoning her atm because the game has been entirely too focused on the mech and not enough focused on the players themselves. And that’s coming from me. I don’t think we learn much of value from eel’s flip either way just yet, and I want to explore other directions. FMPOV there are some fairly town slots and a bunch of slots who are just kind of meh. I want to focus on other slots that are kind of meh to make them less kind of meh.

Eiralox, who is your biggest suspect outside of the ‘1v1’?

town post

few posts later they post this list of people they want to vote

KeyLaga
Chell
Gamma Emerald

Doctor Drew
Organized Khaos
Random Nurse
Naerys
OutWorldER

KittyTacky
Eiralox
Bingle
Celebloki

Ik Ele tends to troll but its still weird.

[Naerys]

isn't that list reversed

i assumed it was since celebloki is at the bottom

I personally would always start from those i wish to vote the least till those i wish to vote the most
so i thought it was like that. But perhaps Elements mind works in different way, idk

[Naerys]

Celebloki - I have a secret tinfoil theory that Celebloki is Informed Town, but I'm not pushing it so that scum doesn't try to kill him to stifle the information.

When it comes to bingle, i dislike this. " I am not pushing it" yeah but writing it instead into RL to which everyone will pay attention to.

[Naerys]

VOTE: elements

[Naerys]

We should hurry up. Time is slowly running up.

[Naerys]

We should hurry up. Time is slowly running up.

We should. The last minute attempt to counterwagon is sketch, particularly from Elements who said I wasn't happening. Elements is still happy to vote Gamma where there's a wagon.

Gamma and Elements are likely teamed.

I think more likely is Sleepy/elements buddies

[Naerys]

I don't think I have much to say anymore. Town wins.

How will town win if nobody knows who to vote

There's a possibility that the wagon can hit town if it misses Gamma today but I assure you Day 2 and Day 3 will be cakewalks. Just stay calm is all. Naerys, Khaos, Gamma team as an example means scum have less than 5% chances of survival at a guesstimate, where Gamma survives Day One.

You are so ridiculously wrong.

[Naerys]

We should hurry up. Time is slowly running up.

We should. The last minute attempt to counterwagon is sketch, particularly from Elements who said I wasn't happening. Elements is still happy to vote Gamma where there's a wagon.

Gamma and Elements are likely teamed.

I think more likely is Sleepy/elements buddies

Naerys

You do realize I have anti-associations with Elements, right?

Could be faked.

[Naerys]

Can we stop bickering like children

[Naerys]

Elements should be just yeeted out of here

[Naerys]

Wtf

[Naerys]

Wtf

More specifically?

Snivy jumping on Drew.
Doesnt help much to decide on a solid lim.

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: elements
VOTE: Bingle

[Naerys]

I have to confess that the moving of the votes is confusing me

[Naerys]

snivy i do not wish to lim today
Khaos i feel bad about - limming newbie at d1 feels awkward

[Naerys]

You are right dragon. I suppose i have a soft spot for newbies. But i understand that Khaos needs to go.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Khaos

[Naerys]

If khaos flips red eira should be suspected for stalling

[Naerys]

Eira ffs

[Naerys]

What? Dont throw your responsibility on me. I cant think for you

[Naerys]

WTF this person

[Naerys]

Idc whatever shit happens eira is next lim

[Naerys]

Idc whatever shit happens eira is next lim

Gamma/Naerys > Camel/Khaos/Titus/Drew > Sleepy Dragon/Bingle >Kitty > Chell > Eiralox > Celebloki

Please have fun everyone. I'm probably surviving the night.

Ofc you are, even if u are town your gameplay is so anti-town scum would have to be dumb to nk you

[Naerys]

Idc whatever shit happens eira is next lim

I really really really prefer Khaos/Bingle

Eira needs to go, brings too much chaos into the game.

[Naerys]

why are you freaking so much about Khaos being pushed btw? Like worst case scenario he flips VT and we're out of the misery that is Day 1.

Because I want us to get actual information out of a flip. This is worse than a no lim as most likely a townie dies. Also wdym worst case scenario, Khaos COULD be pr. So this is MISREP.

@Titus @Drew @Snivy

Khaos is the lim today. No other wagon is going to get momentum without scum help. Please vita la chaos.

NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS OFF KHAOS VOTE ELE

Uh how is that a town reaction when you just called me scum

I didn't call it a town reaction.

VOTE: Dragon

[Naerys]

My mail target was Kitty.

[Naerys]

why are you freaking so much about Khaos being pushed btw? Like worst case scenario he flips VT and we're out of the misery that is Day 1.

Because I want us to get actual information out of a flip. This is worse than a no lim as most likely a townie dies. Also wdym worst case scenario, Khaos COULD be pr. So this is MISREP.

@Titus @Drew @Snivy

Khaos is the lim today. No other wagon is going to get momentum without scum help. Please vita la chaos.

NOBODY LISTEN TO THIS OFF KHAOS VOTE ELE

Uh how is that a town reaction when you just called me scum

I didn't call it a town reaction.

VOTE: Dragon

Naerys wtf

Are you kidding me?

The way I defended Eiralox and Elements doesn't ring a bell as the way I defended you in 244???

Explain the motivation behind Kitty getting nked. He already said what he was informed about. So going after him instead of Cele makes no sense. Unless scum felt threatened by something Kitty said.

[Naerys]

My mail target was Kitty.

Sure it was.
VOTE: Naerys

YES IT WAS

[Naerys]

I was thinking between Chell and Kitty. Picked Kitty.
Hm now that i think about it. scumBingle suggesting i focus on IC.And then killing Kitty so i could be framed as a scum. Looks like a possibility.
Also dragon feels genuine. Sorry about that, i just always feel excitable at the beginning of new day.
UNVOTE: Dragon

[Naerys]

My mail target was Kitty.

Sure it was.
VOTE: Naerys

Gamma, Naerys is town here

I was thinking between Chell and Kitty. Picked Kitty.
Hm now that i think about it. scumBingle suggesting i focus on IC.And then killing Kitty so i could be framed as a scum. Looks like a possibility.
Also dragon feels genuine. Sorry about that, i just always feel excitable at the beginning of new day.
UNVOTE: Dragon

Not sure how that works? Wouldn't scum!Bingle kill the IC to frame you, if anything? Like how would he know that you would target Kitty?

Also why didn't you target the IC?

I targeted Kitty, who claimed to be informed. I wanted to be sure he is town.

[Naerys]

My mail target was Kitty.

Sure it was.
VOTE: Naerys

Gamma, Naerys is town here

I was thinking between Chell and Kitty. Picked Kitty.
Hm now that i think about it. scumBingle suggesting i focus on IC.And then killing Kitty so i could be framed as a scum. Looks like a possibility.
Also dragon feels genuine. Sorry about that, i just always feel excitable at the beginning of new day.
UNVOTE: Dragon

Not sure how that works? Wouldn't scum!Bingle kill the IC to frame you, if anything? Like how would he know that you would target Kitty?

Also why didn't you target the IC?

I targeted Kitty, who claimed to be informed. I wanted to be sure he is town.

Do you know that if he was informed scum you wouldn't have any way to differentiate?

I know. It kinda feels useless tbh.

[Naerys]

Oh wait english does not have CH as a letter

[Naerys]

[Naerys]

I might have mixed up abbrevations in my head.

[Naerys]

This is so embarassing >.<

[Naerys]

Naerys is this the correct game? Where did you use CH?

To explain: Sometimes when i played with my friends we were using term "citizen" instead of town
So i thought IC is informed citizen, not Innocent Child.

[Naerys]

Naerys is this the correct game? Where did you use CH?

To explain: Sometimes when i played with my friends we were using term "citizen" instead of town
So i thought IC is informed citizen, not Innocent Child.

So you are saying you read the plan wrong?

I am saying i understood it wrongly, yes.

[Naerys]

Okay this checks out with Naerys claiming she was deciding between Chell and Kitty and with thinking Bingle was trying to frame her

OTOH, I fucking can't

[Naerys]

You have a point about Bingle.
I am sad about Gamma replacing, hopefully everything is alright there.

[Naerys]

Greetings, gob!

[Naerys]

Bingle, if you are town, your read of me is so bad it hurts

Yes I may have pushed bad wagons yesterday (I mean I was trying to vote Titus at one point, who is currently locktown), but I think it was pretty obvious that the reason I did that was to prevent Eiralox and Elements from being mislimmed, because I was pretty sure they were both going to flip town. So pushing me for a bad wagon on you (if u town) is just sad.

Bingles read of me is also so bad it hurts

[Naerys]

Okay there is no way hiding this anymore. I am

mailman

Eira-Bingle- elements likely contains scum
I thank you you dimwitts for forcing me to claim, honestly

Don't be salty, mailman without restriction modifiers like loyal is a glorified named townie.

I am complex.

Hm. Vanilla cop. That's an interesting add to a game with an IC and an informed.

I'd like you to target the IC for role confirmation purposes.

I don’t really believe the “I didn’t understand that IC was Innocent Child” card, btw.

I explained my thoughts process. I am not native speaker so its easy for me to misunderstand stuff.

[Naerys]

hi khaos, who is scum?

Idk ):

I understand that first games can be rather difficult. But i have feeling like you are not even trying.

[Naerys]

This mini should be called PokeScum

[Naerys]

I dont like Titus, tbh. Their play reminds me 245. Trying to stay under the radar.

[Naerys]

Dragons read is accurate. Snivy feels like trying to decide whats more popular opinion and go with that. So snivy is definitely more suspicious

[Naerys]

How to find if gob is scum: let him live for now and wait if he puts NKed person into his RL.

Town:Cele,Bingle,Dragon
Null:Snivy,Drew,Chell,Khaos
Scum:gob,titus

this is sorting for my sanity sake

[Naerys]

Naerys I remember thinking she was distinctly different from her scum game

What scum game? I have 0 scum games

[Naerys]

Sure let's do something else

Why is Titus scum? Didn't you say she was TvT with Bingle?

Why is Bingle town to you?

I admit i was TRing KeyLaga when he was running wild here. But looking back i have to admit i am becoming suspicious of this slot. This slot has its fair share of guilt on the fact we almost had no lim D1. And Elements and Eira rolling town made me rethink some stuff. Like i accepted Gamma (now gob) TRing KL (i think it was Gamma lol, hope i didnt mix it up). Based on that i think Gamma-KL (now Titus-Gob) interactions are suspicious. I havent seen Titus interact with gob all that much, which makes me wary a lot. So i definitely wish to solve in Titus/Gob today.
As for Binge i´ve got feeling like he is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will elaborate tomorrow.

[Naerys]

KeyLaga´s confidence doesnt feel all that good for me, now that i am looking back at it.

[Naerys]

VOTE: gob
should be e1 if i count right

[Naerys]

Reminds me a bit of scum!theworst in 244
Obviously scum isnt going down screaming " i am scum"

[Naerys]

VOTE: Sleepy Dragon

I’m willing to go Titus but this probably hits scum.

If i am mislimmed today, PLEASE vote off Dragon/Titus. Maybe both

Do you still think Titus could be scum?

[Naerys]

Gob your iso is quite wild in throwing SR. Titus,Dragon,Khaos,Chell, me. You give inconsistent vibe.

[Naerys]

I-I'm

not sure if Gob is scum or not.

UNVOTE: gob
VOTE: Khaos
This is clear theatrics. I am sorry Dragon, i know you said Khaos lim gives us no information but i think he has to go.

[Naerys]

I know that me switching votes like this looks bad. Its something i do as town a lot tho. When i think i found scum i go after it.
Latest Khaos post felt so incredibly fake that i am absolutely done dealing with him.

[Naerys]

You're both just hating for no reason

What exactly we are hating?

[Naerys]

Being a newbie should not be shield from getting a lim for appearing scummy. I know its terrible, i dont like limming newbies. But that post was terrible.

[Naerys]

kinda think khaos would have just hammered in a gob!town, khaos!scum world

Is the possibility of them both being scum too farfetched?

[Naerys]

how is it theatrics

The way its written.
I dont like the "-" in there. Its purpose is to strengthen the idea of hesitant newbie Khaos. Its a psychological manipulation. There are moments in Khaos posts where i feel he is much more confident than he lets on. Like in 776. He is not clueless. He is doing this on purpose.

[Naerys]

Why is Chell feel like mafia trying to control discussion to me? Especially with the baiting a newbie (me) to vote for a random person when the newbie in question (also me) has stated that they have been having trouble making up their mind on who to vote and is clearly confused. Maybe it's just me but I think Chell is the most sus person here.
VOTE: Chell
Change my mind.

This isnt post made by a clueless person.

[Naerys]

I am just trying to show you, that through whole game Khaos is pretending to be absolutely clueless. He just dropped by with " idk what to say" and similiar. What i am trying to point out, that his newbie cluelessness is just an act. Its faked. And that " i am not sure if gob is scum" is just him faking once more.

[Naerys]

Thats some drewing

[Naerys]

I am not sure if i agree with snivy lim. *sigh*
Some rereading to do

[Naerys]

*sigh*

so this is not theatrics?

I am annoyed and frustrated and suffering a headache
i can switch to venting with a caps locked posts filled if you wish it so
i am so not in a mood for this

[Naerys]

We're gonna lose here. I can sense it.

If you are scum, then sure.

[Naerys]

We're gonna lose here. I can sense it.

If you are scum, then sure.

I am not scum. I think us (town) are going to lose.

Unless it is snivy.

I am not accepting your defeated demeanor.

[Naerys]

We're gonna lose here. I can sense it.

If you are scum, then sure.

I am not scum. I think us (town) are going to lose.

Unless it is snivy.

I am not accepting your defeated demeanor.

Well whatever, not my problem. Just a sixth sense I have, having played the game for so long.

I'll have to level up my play here... but first I need to move furniture irl.

In the meantime, besides Snivy who are the other scummiest people according to not-VCA? Since VCA is a forbidden technique on this website.

You and Khaos.

[Naerys]

Is there anyone truly solving except dragon?

[Naerys]

I'll solve this all when i can get my fookin bluetooth to work.

Sleepy Dragon, regardless of your alignment, you're off duty. Nobody should be listening to Sleepy Dragon anymore. I suspect he is mafia and potentially town misplaying,.

I suspect that you are mafia so i wont listen to you.

[Naerys]

I can never be scum

[Naerys]

Hmm. I wont mind Drew lim tbh