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[Flavor Leaf]

if youre scum, you're appeasing. if you're town, you're genuine.

to me it looks like you came into the game, saw you were going down, and now trying to flip it.

you couldnt say you town read me for other things considering you would have to know what has happened this game.

that's like super minor, though, the read is mainly for Sniffles.

[Flavor Leaf]

do you have any leans toward titus/gamma being more likely scum than the other?

maybe titus. Gamma been working that pocket all game, though, if they are scum.

I can kinda see Titus angling towards me, but idk why Titus does that instead of tries to guide me somewhere, unless they're defending you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont hate the reasoning Elements is giving, especially considering they just replaced in, but we did get a scum wagon and both Titus and I are two of the most active users of VCA and hardcore manipulate it as scum, so I think that might actually be a town lean for me with Titus.

Gamma isn't like unaware of that either, idk if they focus on that as much, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao
Pisskop
Gob
Gamma Emerald
Titus
Elements


Town to Scum where I'm at.

[Flavor Leaf]

i think it's possible titus and elements are trying to set each other up in case one of them go down today.

[Flavor Leaf]

could be. i was thinking it would be 4, but TW kept pushing like it was dumb.

if we're in a 3 scum left world, gotta force scum to bus to get a fade unless all town can come together.

[Flavor Leaf]

After reading. I think Elements town and FL sus.

only you and Titus biting on that one. Think that means Titus is probs just scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gob/Gamma

This is a trash take

probably
still want to vote you

Why do you want to vote Gamma?

She could be town and I could be wrong.

Are you fucking joking me

i spit my drink all over myself

[Flavor Leaf]

Having read the hood I don't think fl is scum

Coming back, flavor seems to be pretty erratic and even a little paranoid as town. Jumping around, pushing people until they capitulate or stand up to them. He's got a lot of different possibilities in his head at once.

I suppose Ill know their scumgame better if I can get a chance to see it firsthand. He's a bit more subdued here than last game I saw him in.

i was pushing naerys, celebloki, and TW a couple days ago.

I calmed down after I tunneled TW.

[Flavor Leaf]

imo, and im biased, setup spec clears me based on the neighborhood of Gunsmith, Vig, BP with Scum in it. Could be scum BP, since Snivy panic claimed the BP after I said I shot someone, and i thought it was weird at first for scum to have BP when I'm loyal, but TW being complex changed that.

Elements is doing alright, though, but effort does not equal townie.

imma reset.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma Gob is like...not an impossible team. I can see a ScumGamma being annoyed with partner Gob here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also @PK's erratic comment - y'all have followed me on everything, what's there to be erratic about this game?

And I would argue I was erratic Day 3.

And before that, we hit scum, so

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma and Pisskop, whats your read on each other?

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, if we're in a 3 scum world, for titus to be town, it's gamma, gob, elements.

I dont think Gamma/Gob/Elements makes sense this game because none of them are angling me for a misfade.

I thought scum would be appeasing me before, but i think it makes sense for scum to try and come after me too, especially with a Hu Tao in the mix.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao is always dead tonight, though.

If we can hit scum Watcher, if PK telling the truth, PK can get the backup watch and just watch Hu Tao, so that's something.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not accounting for 3 scum right now, partnering should still work in that scenario, but this helps a lot if we're in a 2 scum world.

Gamma/Pisskop - Not impossible, they've been soft pushing each other, but I don't think there's ever been any true pushing from either. This is a rough one for me because they've been pushing where I have almost every day, so im paranoid they are pushing when I get on town.

Gamma/Elements - elements is possibly doing the bus a buddy, vote a townie, if titus is town. i thought snivy was scummy, and i dont think the claim goes in their favor, but

Pisskop/Elements - i dont remember a whole lot with this combination which is a little concerning. If this, Elements is pushing 2 others and theyre waiting for me to join.

Gamma/Titus - Then Elements is a hot dog hot dog, got it right on replace in. I can't seem to remember any interaction between the 2 of them here.

Pisskop/Titus - One town reading me one pushing me, leaving things open?

Elements/Titus - They'd be distancing. I did think that they had odd conversation earlier this day phase.


I'm having a hard time seeing Gob scum with their play, but if he's scum with anyone here, it's a tinfoil Gamma Emerald for the scenario I said earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

Other than Smiley going down, and Snivy taking heat, Snivy had only voted for Hu Tao, Heipzu, Naerys, and Myself.

That is all town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thank, Alianna!

slight town leans on flavor leaf and ccs, i see where fl is coming from on ccs but i also think snivy's posting feels forced because he's the first slot to try to bring the game out of RVS?

i don't particularly like 68, it feels a little scared to put down a vote

"slight" pings of "potential" pocketing

and then the assurance that you're only voting there for the time being

I use that language cause I'm feeling somewhat conflicted on that slot right now. I'm a bit dissatisfied of 33 as an answer to 32 as it feels like a pocket-y answer to me, though it's also weirdly stubborn in a way that feels + town. I'm hoping that by placing some pressure on CCS I can get a better read of their intentions.

Agree with this post here, I'm also getting conflicted read on CCS as well. The early posts he made pings me as a town moving the game out of rvs (like what I was doing in Normal Idea Mafia), but his later posts feel like, idk, posting as often as he could do to farm post counts?
Gonna park the vote on him until some more quality posts are made though.
VOTE: ccs
@ccs What's your read on smilely, FL and Dannflor?

This makes me feel Heinz is scum with someone in the neighborhood, and they naturally grouped us together because they knew who was in it.

How many scum games does Heipz have on site?

Great catch. Heipz is the vote today for sure

Wait, why exactly?

As I currently read it Heip is just pressing cCS for better posts?

this being the one post RN had in this game that was anything game related looks good after Heipz flipped town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well if my previous slot had 3 posts, they probably didn't say anything too important.

If Flavor said they shot me, then they're lying.

I think Flavor is lying here, straight up.

Alright, I believe Flavor.

Something else must've happened.

i like this exchange when Pisskop was hounding Gob too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think gob’s give-no-fucks attitude here is towny

Pocket attempt part 2? Coming back for seconds?

i just dont feel like Gob knows what has happened this game, and i think this holds true. They're a Town of Salem player they mentioned recently, and they wear their reads on their sleeves, and I feel like they've been genuine and lhf, but nobody is going after Gob now anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma/Titus - Then Elements is a hot dog hot dog, got it right on replace in. I can't seem to remember any interaction between the 2 of them here.

FMPOV with my experience with Titus I think this could be a bad sign for her

I didnt get enough Titus trying to pocket me earlier as much, and they didnt seem to manipulate VCA as much, which are the things I look for in Titus Scum, but Titus coming after me near the end here is pinging me.

[Flavor Leaf]

whats your read on Gob, Gamma?

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma + Dave if 3 scum
If 4 scum, the last one could be Hu/Titus

I posted this yesterday. But i think Snivy might be scum instead of dave.

Naerys was leaning Gamma/Snivy + Titus (took out Hu Tao now that they confed, and they said that while scum reading Dave)

[Flavor Leaf]

This is the main scum case for Pisskop. Celebloki dying cleared the way for less Pisskop pressure + an easier Naerys misfade.

Defense against this is Celebloki was a doctor, but I remember Pisskop pinged me when they said something like 'scum took the safe kill'.

In a world where Gamma is town, this is the best reason for PK scum. I've liked PK the rest of the game pretty much throughout, but I can see it coming from scum too, i just know it's in their range.

Like, I don't kill Celebloki here. I think a Dave kill would have been far superior from my side. Celebloki dying hurts my standing if I were scum.

Sorry had to run to the pharmacy before they closed. TBH, I think I've changed my mind on naerys. Call it a scumtell all you want, when Titus "hammered" I didn't know if she hadn't realized she already had a vote on Naerys and was trying to fake twilight, but I noticed and decided to watch instead of say something. Maybe Naerys realized she hadn't been hammered either, but her E-1/fake twilight reactions seem genuine to me. That coupled with how the "massclaim" went and how others voted makes me think about this game differently. pisskop slid hard into scum territory for me. I personally think FL is still conftown because I don't think he'd hard bus Smiley if he was scum, but I think his read of the game has become misguided.

At this point I believe dave's claim and that Hu got an inno, I'm changing my mind on Naerys, still think FL is town. I still think Gamma is town.

I think there's scum in pk, gob, the worst, snivy.

I'm also not sure what to think about Titus at this point or if there was strategy in the double vote or if it was just forgetting she already had a vote on naerys.

pisskop also claimed to be a PR to push a massclaim along and then never went anywhere with that. Our massclaim was really just a Celeb claim and we'll all pretend we're doing a mass claim. I can't shake the feeling now people are trying to set me up for a mis elim tomorrow. Gonna get role blocked than be the policy lim tomorrow.

That said, I'm not going to join the naerys wagon.

VOTE: pisskop

[Flavor Leaf]

on top of that, Celebloki had a really good explanation for Heipz coincidental ask about all the neighbors to a neighbor, and I realized that on Day 1, but ended going there anyways, and I think that shows that Celebloki has a specific type of sense that scum probably saw as dangerous.

Yeah, this doesn't look too good for Pisskop looking back into it.

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?t=91800&start=1225

PK page 50 is kinda rough overall.

Was it that obvious? I didn't put time into thinking about it on that level, i'm town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Suffice to say, even taking out the NKA side of things, Celebloki's posts leaning towards Pisskop is a solid case against you, even if you are town you should see that, i feel.

[Flavor Leaf]

i feel like it makes sense of you to TMI The Worst as town there, then you found some reason to switch onto them and took advantage of my tunnel.

Like, there's a case there for ScumPisskop, you gotta see that

[Flavor Leaf]

but celeb did not town read you.

if i were scum here, I had Celebloki in my pocket so hard they were calling me conf town. I think that's worth outguessing a doctor if I were scum here, no?

[Flavor Leaf]

It's also confirmed from my POV that scum have a Roleblocker of some sort, so I don't think the kill Doctor always makes sense here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I blame myself for giving in to the leaf

scum killed by the books with blocki

P: worsti's reads deserve some final attention

beginning of day 4. these are the posts that pinged me the most from Pisskop all game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the solve here for town is TW, PK, and gob. I arrived here mostly from PoE( I honestly think everyone else is town, maybe not so much Snivy, could swap him for gob), but the last several pages since the Naerys elim fell apart seals it for me.

gob now stands out to me since his prod. Comes in here calling both the worst and pisskop mafia, but don't vote one way or the other. Comes off to me as bussing but doesn't want to commit to a particular side.

final words by Celebloki.

[Flavor Leaf]

Youre just stealing somebody elses post and pushing.

Worst was town, gob is pretty town. Celeblocki has shit reads, and youre trying your damndest to conjure up a reason reason to change you vote rn.

it's good to look at posts from the dead.

i was looking through multiple ISOs, and I think it's worth talking about.

[Flavor Leaf]

You know this the kind of crap you do kid, flavor, so now that more people are coming forward and asking why your hereto unproven vig role wasnt just a gambit for town cred youre flailing for something

interesting.

you say im more erratic as town, yet setting up a push here on me it looks.

I don't think I'm flailing or erratic at all here, though.

I'm simply just talking and going through a possibility. I haven't even made up my mind on if i think it's correct, im just thinking it holds legs.

[Flavor Leaf]

You havent proven your role at all flavor. The more we talk about it, the less Im convinced you are a disloyal vig.

that would be correct; i am not a disloyal vig.

[Flavor Leaf]

Youre just stealing somebody elses post and pushing.

Worst was town, gob is pretty town. Celeblocki has shit reads, and youre trying your damndest to conjure up a reason reason to change you vote rn.

Why go for you instead of a Gamma or Titus?

[Flavor Leaf]

Seems reactionary, thats for sure

mine was not impromptu.

[Flavor Leaf]

You havent proven your role at all flavor. The more we talk about it, the less Im convinced you are a disloyal vig.

i think if PK ends up being scum, this was a slip.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want more direct thoughts than just “I feel x compared to another slot”

yeah dont Hu Tao us.

[Flavor Leaf]

sorry that was a big shade, lol.

i think very highly of Hu Tao Tuesdays overall as a player.

[Flavor Leaf]

You havent proven your role at all flavor. The more we talk about it, the less Im convinced you are a disloyal vig.

i think if PK ends up being scum, this was a slip.

What exactly would he have let slip?

calling me Disloyal because for scum, townies are other aligned, so like if they trying to reach and spin scum on me, for me to hit townies, it would be Disloyal.

It's not a case to use against them kinda thing, but post game, if PK is scum, then i see it as 100% a freudian.

They mixed up another claim with Dave/Celebloki actions earlier in the game too and tried to use it in a reasoning.

PK's extreme reactionary to that is a little off putting for me. It's like anytime I dont town read them fully, they throw that vig line in my face.

[Flavor Leaf]

And according to that large normal scum PT i just read, where it was Pisskop/Gob together (Gob coming after I died), Pisskop does show that they have the mentality they want to play around me rather than kill me.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah gamma what seems to be the problem

[Flavor Leaf]

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pretty sure it's a combination of Elements, Titus, Pisskop at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

i thought it was comedic trolling, but it being genuine is even funnier

[Flavor Leaf]

@Pisskop - if you had to pick one out of Elements and Titus, who would it be?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Pisskop - if you had to pick one out of Elements and Titus, who would it be?

ninja'd answered it for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gob seems to fairly regularly make errors like that.

Yea i smoke a lotta weed, and i dont even read fully usually. I just skim and look at vote counts.

A friend of mine only got around to quitting on her 28th birthday. She kept saying it helps her go to sleep, but she's taken up meditation and other stuff since then.

29 on thursday, going strong.

[Flavor Leaf]

Main things holding me back from ScumTitus is that we've gotten into this scenario late game where we're T/T and we end up going after each other, I think Pisskop/Elements are both edging the game towards Titus and it semi aligned with my reads and theyre both pushing me as town, and Pisskop actively wanted to play around me in that last scum game according to that Scum PT, and specifically didn't get to because one of the other scum members wanted to kill me.

I don't really know who Titus' partner would be either without having to stretch, but Elements/Pisskop feeling right for me right now. Titus partner would probably be Gamma or Elements, which requires Elements distancing right now, and i feel its more likely Titus is being setup

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont really have any connections between Gamma or Titus, as Gamma mentioned earlier, but im struggling to find Titus partners, which goes in their favor a bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

2 scum in the same neighborhood in a 3 scum setup is kind of weird, so maybe it's only Elements in a 4 scum setup world, meaning Pisskop/Titus scum team?

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanna contribute. Who should I scumread?

@Flavor
@Gamma

Pisskop I think is almost always scum here right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I shot at Smiley last night.

Snivy claimed BP in neighborhood, though, so that’s something, but I think we always just go Smiley here today.

Like claimed after I claimed.

VOTE: Smiley

VOTE: smiley

Like claimed after I claimed.

VOTE: Smiley

i didn't really know what else to do

i trust that smiley (unless dann is tricking us) is the only scum neighbor so i can fullclaim after we kill him

VOTE: Smiley

I shot at Smiley last night.

Snivy claimed BP in neighborhood, though, so that’s something, but I think we always just go Smiley here today.

Good news, you can always shoot him to be safe

This interaction is kind of partnery between Pisskop/Snivy, and Snivy is suspicious here.

It also doesn't add up with Pisskop's trying to leave open for doubt on my claim yet they tried to get me to shoot something that also wouldnt have confirmed my claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanna contribute. Who should I scumread?

@Flavor
@Gamma

Pisskop I think is almost always scum here right now.

By what logic? Last big post from you was how it most likely wasnt Titus.

how are the 2 of those related?

you can check last page I started looking into Pisskop and then they poorly reacted to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also told you literally like 10 minutes ago (idk timeframe actually) that Elements, Pisskop, Titus probs contains the scum team, and you said you could get behind Elements, so literally just look a page back

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, VCA not looking good for Snivy.

[Flavor Leaf]

PK is doing conditional responsing to me too. Whenever I go against them, they turn on me on a dime, but when I'm following the way they want, they're nice.

It's how I caught out Catboi in NQSN2.

[Flavor Leaf]

Titus has been on every single mislim. They were not on smiley, but that doesnt mean anything much.

I could almost buy an element/titus team based purely on VCA.

I just think this is almost a town case on Titus. Titus thinks about VCA almost too much when she is scum. And she shot herself in the foot by coming after me earlier when I don't think she had to.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can tell Smiley and Snivy both thought they were guiltied on Night 1, and Snivy's join on Smiley just reeks of scum bus.

I just dont like 2 scum in 1 neighborhood in this way, but that might be personal preference.

The BP claim feels

too

perfect, but it also makes sense to just be a real scum Role after Complex Vig.

If both The Worst and I were to have targeted Snivy, they still would have lived.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe she hasnt mentioned it because she placed into a slot that already done fucked up

She replaced in Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's Elements for sure, question is whether it's Pisskop or Titus.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel FL and Gamma is town core but I'd like more.

I don't trust every PR claim but the VTs seem more together. I feel like I'm just going to get betrayed no matter which way I slice it.

I'm a bit worried everyone is TRing FL.

If FL is town, then only one of the other slots can be scum as balance would be off. Then again, mods love unbalanced games nowadays sooo

I think FL scum, Elements scum, and one of pisskop gamma gob scum.

I don't like this progression, but i also dont see it as good play for scum.

Titus was considering FL/Gamma as her town core.

I was feeling like a FL/Gamma/Pisskop, but Pisskop was aiming at Gamma multiple times.

One of those sides pulling at us were scum.

The case for PK makes a lot of sense, the case for Titus is an underwhelming set of posts by Titus.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pisskop had a lot of play I liked this game, but there's just those few things that standout that really rubbed me the wrong way. The way they acted towards The Worst, that off play towards Smiley Day 2, and then the way they reacted to my push this day.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I want to go where Hu Tao goes given conftown.

This is horrible

I think FL scum, Elements scum, and one of pisskop gamma gob scum.

You think there were 3 scum in the neighbourhood?

this is obv scum by Elements.

I'm not against going for one of Titus/PK today, though because this game ends up that anyways, I think. My worry is that it's actually 4 scum setup and Gob is final scum, meaning we have to decide correctly with Titus/PK.

[Flavor Leaf]

that off play towards Smiley Day 2

What are you talking about

I literally just talked about it this page or last page

[Flavor Leaf]

Yo Flavour, if I wasn't snivy's replacement how would you be reading me?

lean town, i think. You played it well, but I just have a really hard time seeing a team that doesn't involve you in it based on everything.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just feel Elements, Pisskop, Gob trying to go for a win right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

PK is doing conditional responsing to me too. Whenever I go against them, they turn on me on a dime, but when I'm following the way they want, they're nice.

It's how I caught out Catboi in NQSN2.

I question the efficacy of this.

it's a super strong play. I used to do it a lot before I started seeing it in other people who play scum.

Hu tao does it too when they're scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

ftr I'm not saying the tell is bad, I'm just saying it probably results in town catching strays

Oh, I'm not like saying town don't do it, but scum naturally do it a lot, and in certain cases, you can absolutely tell.

I can't absolutely tell with PK, because I don't think they are fully doing it, but they definitely have hints of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I shot at Smiley last night.

Snivy claimed BP in neighborhood, though, so that’s something, but I think we always just go Smiley here today.

Like claimed after I claimed.

VOTE: Smiley

VOTE: smiley

Like claimed after I claimed.

VOTE: Smiley

i didn't really know what else to do

i trust that smiley (unless dann is tricking us) is the only scum neighbor so i can fullclaim after we kill him

VOTE: Smiley

I shot at Smiley last night.

Snivy claimed BP in neighborhood, though, so that’s something, but I think we always just go Smiley here today.

Good news, you can always shoot him to be safe

This interaction is kind of partnery between Pisskop/Snivy, and Snivy is suspicious here.

It also doesn't add up with Pisskop's trying to leave open for doubt on my claim yet they tried to get me to shoot something that also wouldnt have confirmed my claim.

This in addition to you throwing my vig claim being technically unconfirmed when you want to discredit isn't a good look at all for me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pisskop had a lot of play I liked this game, but there's just those few things that standout that really rubbed me the wrong way. The way they acted towards The Worst, that off play towards Smiley Day 2, and then the way they reacted to my push this day.

in the booneytoonz game I feel like pk was never really giving off red flags
compared to this game where the Naerys pushing D3 bugged me immensely, that feels like a substantial difference

I feel like they didnt have to do as much in BooneyToonz because Stage and Skygazer were all over the place. I think PK is leading this one.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think PK is leading this one.

I wasnt even voting until 30 minutes ago

leading the scum team, not the discussion. (i would argue you are a leader in discussion as well, though.)

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I'm going to

VOTE: Elements

When they flip scum, I am confirmed town, and can't be pushed in the future days.

No matter which of Titus/PK are scum, Elements is a partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Titus is currently pushing me, and PK is setting up if they are scum in the future days.

I also want to see if Elements flips something like Watcher to confirm PK's Backup Watcher claim. I'm probably leaning Mafia 1-shot BP Neighbor Traitor or something like that, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

you joined the worst push.

my case on TW was good and correct, they just happened to be town. TW played it wrong imo, and paid the price. I tunneled, yeah, so that's on me, but I standby the push. Their meta was incorrect, their reasoning for their claim withhold was poor, and STD targeted THS.

I think your vote on TW is worse than my push on them.

[Flavor Leaf]

and on a gut level, your combativeness once I was just going over theories on how you could be scum, something I was looking into for every slot, just feels like powerwolfing. I dont think you want to fade me here.

My flip incriminates you more, where if Titus flips town, you can push me tomorrow for the victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

i thought it was a good reason in regards to Celebloki, and i stand by that if you are town. it's your reaction towards it that sends me.

[Flavor Leaf]

and you weren't on Titus like this until after, like you were trying to persuade me onto Titus for the day and then fight with me tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont agree with that at all. They also were a claimed Vig, which I feel makes sense for me to go after in that way.

it's easy to say that in hindsight, but you voted TW yourself too and agreed that their defense was bad.

It 100% looked like they were trying to cop out of claiming to avoid getting caught before they caught up.

[Flavor Leaf]

and you weren't on Titus like this until after, like you were trying to persuade me onto Titus for the day and then fight with me tomorrow.

That only makes sense if ele is my partner and I value their life less than my peace of mind.

I am specifically thinking your partner is Elements, and they just replaced in. You would 100% be the scum leader in this position.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Titus is scum, their partner is Elements as well, and they said they think Elements could be scum, and I made the case of Titus/Elements before I came after you.

I think they looked performative, and like Titus wanted Hu tao to push me and for us to follow that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also had a little meta reasoning with STD i didnt bring up that helped me really think TW was scum.

STD always votes and shades me when they are Town, or STD and I are scum together, and they didnt really do that at all, especially weird considering they could have killed me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yo Flavour, if I wasn't snivy's replacement how would you be reading me?

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
you don't actually care what my slot is do you
your whole positioning has been about snivy which I get but that fact you'd be town leaning me from my play alone hasn't even given pause means you just don't care

You asked if you weren’t Snivy’s slot. Your play overall has been fine, and I already quoted where I specifically think scumYou would be posting.

Snivy was in this game for 4 day phases, so yes, I’m reading that. You came into this game on Day 5.

[Flavor Leaf]

That is an extreme minimizing of everything I’ve done this game, and acting like I don’t have any reason to scum read.

Made this much easier.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also minimize everything that I’ve done to get reads and analysis on everyone else’s slot.

and at the end of the day, me saying lean town on you was me being nice saying it’s not your fault you replaced into a scum game.

[Flavor Leaf]

That is an extreme minimizing of everything I’ve done this game, and acting like I don’t have any reason to scum read.

Made this much easier.

there's no way I'll be able to change your mind on my slot so at some point you're going to heavily push for me to be voted out scum or not
it's in my best interest for you to die so I don't get mislimmed

But the 3, even 4 if you consider Pisskop, other players who have expressed interest in the idea that you are scum just don’t exist this game, right?

You die even after I die, so I just don’t really believe you here.

I think you’re doing what you have to do, but it’s what you have to do to squeak out a potential scum win.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like why go me instead of Pisskop or Titus today with that mindset?

I have been very open to the idea that one of the two of those are scum.

I think I’m effectively the biggest threat to the scum team at the moment, and as soon as I start shading Pisskop, this happens.

I was already scum reading your slot when you came into this game, and all that physically changed was a vote on you and the shade on Pisskop.

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Like why go me instead of Pisskop or Titus today with that mindset?

I'll happily vote titus
but you're voting me

Yeah, I am leaning Pisskop/Elements team for sure.

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Eh, maybe it’s Titus/Elements.

Titus and Hu Tao are going to vote me probably.

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If you’re town, it probably means I’m in a hard Gamma pocket.

I don’t think I am.

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what makes you think Hu is voting you?

Hu has had no other scum reads besides “suss of FL” for multiple days.

It’s one of the reasons I thought Titus/Elements were scum together performing when Titus said let’s just follow the conf town Hu Tao.

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If you’re town, it probably means I’m in a hard Gamma pocket.

gamma and who?

You’re not even reading the game.

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My 2 candidates have been very clear.

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In the scenario you are town or scum.

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Or Titus

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Pisskop/Elements
Titus/Elements
Gamma/Titus
Gamma/Pisskop

From scummiest pairing to least scummy pairing out of the 4 remaining teams I think it can be.

The ones with Gamma are significantly lower, Gamma and Pisskop being much lower than Titus/Gamma.

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any way i can pursuade you to vote titus over me seeing as you think we're a likely pair?

I don’t trust you and Pisskop together at all right now.

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If there are 3 scum left, it’s Gob waiting in the wings with any of those teams.

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If it’s 3 scum with a Gamma/Pisskop/Gob or Gamma/Titus/Gob, game’s over.

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You did well Elements, but the way you argue without knowing the game looks like scum putting their best foot in.

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You’re funny

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Straight openwolfing

Respect

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It’s probably just Elements/Titus.

It’s possible Pisskop is bussing here to get through the day with some town cred, which if is the case, probably ends up being Pisskop, Gob, Gamma final 3.

Which is funny if it comes down to Gob/Gamma having to team up to take down scum.

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I’m happy going Elements->Titus in the scenario Elements flips scum.

If Elements flips town, do a reset and reanalyze, and it probably leads to town loss voting me, but we get there when we get there.

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I think Elements->Titus->Pisskop always wins the game.

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If it’s Elements/Titus, Elements is probably watcher, which could make sense in the neighborhood.


I think it’s possible Elements flip confirms PK and I as town.

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if you're so confident it's me and titus, what's wrong with voting titus today?

I feel like I’ve said multiple times it’s you and PK.

Idk where you’re getting I’m confident in the pairing

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I also don’t think you really do care, Elements, this is probably fun af replacing into a near dead scum slot.

Stressful, but doesn’t really count as your loss

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why were you juuuuust talking about voting gob

i'm not voting gob today

You were Gob’s main target today.

Why not Gob for you?

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In their defense, they did say ‘not that I want to’

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Willing to vote elements today?

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They’re doing all they can to not make me mechanically conf town. Because that’s one less misfade potential and angle they can shoot at.

PK going elements is unexpected, and I could see it as bussing, but i think on an Ele scum flip, I’m okay going Titus tomorrow.

Because in the scenario Titus is town, we do end up getting to a Pisskop-Gob-Gamma finale unless scum want to bring a conf townie in Hu Tao or myself, but i think Hu Tao and I are the next 2 night kills if we hit scum today.

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Hush flavor, you have been talking too much.

Let me think about it.

Only a wigglytuff can tell me to hush

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No scum axolotls either

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Is this real life

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pretty sure it's a combination of Elements, Titus, Pisskop at this point.

I can get behind Elements.

Apparently they can get behind them just not on them

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You make some good points.

Maybe we shouldn’t kill Elements.

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You make some good points.

Maybe we shouldn’t kill Elements.

Ya rite

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You make some good points.

Maybe we shouldn’t kill Elements.

Fuck no
VOTE: Elements
We are too close to endgame for this to be a good idea imo

I was joking lol

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You make some good points.

Maybe we shouldn’t kill Elements.

Ya rite

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Lol, Pisskop/Gamma/FL team get wrecked

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No hammer’s a good sign imo.

Hu Tao’s just tunneled on me is only reason they think that

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I feel like all townies here are mislim threat in elo.

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It’s possible Pisskop/Gamma are teamed and was hoping Gob would hammer, I guess. I don’t really have a case for Gamma, though.

PK’s unvote feels performative, but I’m happy to talk things over.

Pisskop feels like possible partner to everyone right now for me, except Gob.

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I think Elements->Titus->Pisskop still wins the game.

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I don't see a world where element flips scum here

Say I’m dead and have flipped green

Who is scum?

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Hu Tao literally has one read this game, and needs to do more because it’s an incorrect read.

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I don’t count the Elements town read because it’s completely based off Hu Tao’s read of me.

Step up please.

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I feel like if it’s Titus/Elements they were both setting up to distance/bus yesterday (real life yesterday not day 4)

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I think Elements->Titus->Pisskop still wins the game.

if this wins the game, does the order matter to you?

Yeah, because you flipping scum confirms me as town, and if we hit town in the other 2, i get faded tomorrow instead and the game is a loss.

Frankly, in the off chance you are town, Pisskop vs Titus still exists and that at least ups my chances of not getting misfaded.

But I lose the battle against either of them if we fade incorrectly.

Hu Tao + the scum in them + partner ends up with my fade.

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Eh, i think if elements is town, i still get faded tomorrow if scum kill Gob. Gamma is probably scum if Elements is town.

That’s another reason I think you’re just scum here, elements. You seem to want everyone but Gamma, who would be most likely scum if you are town.

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You said you had a scum read on them earlier, but you kept leaning Titus.

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Ugh, I see a Pisskop/Gamma world.

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But Pisskop would have to bus and do that weird play towards Gamma.

Gamma did say they looked different than BooneyToonz here. I don’t think they look THAT different, but it’s not the same, that’s for sure.

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Can you link me a scum game, Elements?

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I just feel generally good about Gamma, and for them to be scum it requires them having pocketed me hard for multiple day phases

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Flavor, theyve expressed an interest in voting every player in the 16 hours theyve been in the game

I know i know

By all means, they’re openwolfing.

Hu Tao town reads them because they’re scum reading me, not because they’re townie.

This isn’t the same Elements I saw in BooneyToonz either.

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You’re right, I’ve done nothing but manipulate the gamestate, and I’m paying my penance now

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I shoulda let the duck shoot me when i was ahead

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I need to see what Titus does.

She was angling towards me and empowering Hu Tao

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im at work whats going on

Elements at E-1, and them and Pisskop going at it. They were my solve yesterday, dunno where I’m at exactly now.

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Why did scum no kill when there’s a conf town?

I am confirmed town because of that. Straight up. I never leave Hu Tao alive.

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Scum are hoping that Hu Tao comes after me still.

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Oh wait

It’s 3-3 lol, gg.

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Yeah, Game’s over. I’m Traitor.

Scum team doesn’t know it’s me so they no killed or did it for the lols.

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Nice fake claim btw Pisskop.

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I see that that’s what happened last night then, I presume.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I’ll just be sitting here, I guess.

Fun birthday morning surprise.

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And you’re a Simple Doc.

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And why do you think nobody died?

Cuz scum killed Hu Tao

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The game’s over, but technically because I’m a Traitor, game continues because it’s possible they didn’t know who I was.

Im sure they do. So as long as we don’t vote each other, this game ends in a scum victory.

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Oh I guess you were serious about being a traitor

Yeah, unfortunately.

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Yeah, near the end of Day 3 I was like…

Hmm, TW is probably gonna shoot me. This is an issue. So had to power that through.

I’m a Rolecop Traitor

I yoinked Dann’s Guilty, though. It was definitely supposed to be a fake ‘fake guilty’ on Snivy, and I was gonna retract my claim after Snivy claimed Bulletproof. I was informed of Snivy being BP.

But then i targeted Dann Night 1 and saw his Gunsmith and i was like well damn. Loyal Vig is already a good claim, but he probably targeted Smiley.

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Yeah 2 docs makes sense why you would think there could be 2 vig + a BP.

I do think my claim was pretty solid other than the no extra kill part.

Was dangerous, I think, though.

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Your claim probably made scum team think I was a Watcher.

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I just don't like reading games I only like talking and reading my own posts.

and i dont like jigglypuff, i think you should

trade her

for a wigglytuff.

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The game’s over, but technically because I’m a Traitor, game continues because it’s possible they didn’t know who I was.

Im sure they do. So as long as we don’t vote each other, this game ends in a scum victory.

We do. It took awhile to figure it out due to the mechanics. I suspected early on based on some behavior.

Nice. You thought I was traitor that one time when i wasn’t, so i was hoping that you didn’t think that i wasn’t traitor because of that.

I setup early game on Naerys, Hu Tao, Gamma with some Traitor crumbs, but as the game went on, i thinj you and i kept getting tied together more. Especially after yesterday.

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Just in case scum didn’t know who I was.

I use the 50% wincon to avoid it.

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Unless something goes wrong, this game makes me 3-0 as scum this year

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Never been traitor before on site

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It was hard for me to try and push because at the time, i didn’t know if one of you were a Watcher, and PK was telling the truth, so if one of you died and flipped, PK would be confirmed town.

I should have Role Copped him earlier, but I stopped Role Copping in case of a tracker early.

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So now what, do we sit here until deadline? Or just end it voting Hu Tao.

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I feel like we reached our wincon at Day start when I didn’t get night killed.

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Let me see that scum PT

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I am glad people did not know of my history with Flavor. I didn't really sort him or act like elo.

That’s 2 scum games we won together this year. Both Larges.

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I am glad people did not know of my history with Flavor. I didn't really sort him or act like elo.

That’s 2 scum games we won together this year. Both Larges.

You are evil reincarnated. I will catch you next time tho...

Hopefully I’m not town next time against you

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Only read half a page in maf thread.

Way to go Smiley.

I wouldn’t have hard bussed like that if I didn’t know Dann had a gunsmith guilty on you.

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I played bad. I pressured cele to claim and I let worst happen

I felt a little bad. I was pocketing you and Gamma. I think in the end, you were on the right track with Titus, and had Titus gone down, I think we would have lost, so it was actually a pretty close game imo.

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Also, Holdsteady saw me as scum recently and they caught me there but couldn’t fade me, so i am so happy you killed Holdsteady because i think they could have gotten me here, especially Day 3.

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“Oh no, I’m being used to further his agenda.”



Memorable birthday for sure. Wild i get to sit here reading it, drinking this free Starbucks.


This was a STRESSFUL game. I hate not being able to talk to my partners, but maybe that also unlocked something.

Titus and I not interacting until late game, if someone was familiar with us, is actually a partner tell, I feel, but i was trying so hard to not like have crumbs that Titus was my traitor if I went down.

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If it was 13 players, I’d say it was scum sided, but with 15, and 3.5 scum, idk. There was a lot that could have wrecked scum. I’m not really thinking this was scum sided.

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Anyway one of my biggest ambition now is to evolve from lim target.

You actually did good. It was more a PoE push. We had very few mislimable slots. Just sucks y'all massclaimed, which outlined who we could push and theories.

Also, ty for aiding the mass claim push I did.

And you anointed me as the one to choose the order.

I almost slipped up and left out Hu Tao since I knew they were Vanilla.

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I followed along with this game and I had Titus pegged as scum. Not FL at all though

I didn't do VCA. If I was town, I would have done one with the disclaimer that I was sick. Flavor didn't push me on it, which should have been a sign too.

I hope to play with all of you again.

I did use it to defend you as scum saying you’d manipulate more.


Also, super happy the two of you voted TW To quickhammer. I think that really sealed the deal.

I should have had a Notes PT this game. I messaged DragonEater at the time going “come on team, quickhammer the duck!”

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My Snivy push Day 1 was also so if scum couldn’t figure out it was me, they’d keep Snivy open for mislim.

Was really interesting playing with the BP info

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Yeah good game.

Ty for modding, Dragon, and to Alianna. Worried that Alianna and I won a scum game recently and then immediately they saw me here.

Traitor is one of the few things I hadn’t done on site, so that was both cool and anxiety inducing to have.

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Also living with that Hu Tao Thorn in my side always.

If they could have synced up with the townies a bit more, or helped catch a partner of mine, i think it was done.

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Hu Tao is my rising star nom I’ll eventually write up before the end of the year.

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i dont remember pushing Dave, I thought I was defending with a 'possibility, but not likely' kinda mindset, but i guess it came off as pushing.

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but gamma thought i was pushing too, so it must have came off that way.

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By the time I replaced in, I actually had an objective 33.33% chance of hitting mafia, and then later on after x died a 50% chance. Objectively.

just misrep, and twist it, for town to go through with that, they have to collectively agree that it's scum motivated VCA, and a lot of players don't even like VCA.

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Oh that’s why I’m informed.

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good game, well played scum

Sorry i powerdunk tunneled you

you left me no choice.