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[Taly]

ta

ly

the

bea

kie

st

reporting to eat the oranges

and any other fruit out there

VOTE: Meuh

im garbage at reading you

<3

so in honor of our friendship, i must vote you

[Taly]

theta

has a health bar lmao wtf

[Taly]

order threat assessment board

#1 --> kabouter wesley

methinks

taly

will be added to this board, that bitch crazy

[Taly]

i want to try HURT: but i am afraid how much damage that would do if it did anything lol

[Taly]

Wheme, you probably shouldn't do that on the grounds that the hp might have an interaction other than dying

What do you think of Wheme's alignment?

Oh btw I think this is town!Wheme

Oh btw I think this is town!Wheme

Okay I agree

This puts a bad taste in my mouth because I feel like this both rewards

Wheme

for acting rashly and that these townreads are likely not all uninformed.

[Taly]

What do you actually think of Wheme here

I didn't really detect anything that swayed me either way, I think they seem lax and that's town-indicative but it's not something I'd assert with confidence or without more information

I mainly thought that hurting

Theta

would weaken WIM but that's partially me projecting if I were in her shoes.

What do you think about the townreads on

Wheme

that followed yours?

I have a very good readrate on wheme

Then how do you read

Wheme

?

[ Theta Alpine | 77/100 hp ]

Wondering if we can get Theta’s HP over 100

Why do you want to increase the HP?

Everyone please neglect what I just said. Theta Alpine will definitely die when she is killed

What is your read on her play thus far?

UNVOTE:

[Taly]

kabouter wesley

wasn't the player that /in'd right?

[Taly]

i think we should take theta down to 50

I love the chaotic vibe here but if this isn't based on a scumread I don't see the point

-

jjh

I can't make it too easy for you, we're

fAmoUS

after all

I just finished a game with both

Theta

and

Wheme

and neither feel totally different off first glance. They were both town, and I suspected both of them seriously at least once in the game haha...

[Taly]

theta

was mech-oriented too

[Taly]

I don't think implementing a strict voting system would provide an accurate measurement of people's read strength or confidence, and that it would not be too realistic to keep people in a specific range.

But I do townping you for trying and I'd rather not see your HP bar dwindling. It feels rolefishy to do hurt just to see what happens.

Speaking of role fishy,

jjh

, what do you intend to get out of voting

kabouter

?

[Taly]

ashamed that i wasnt number 1 on that threat assessment board

[Taly]

i want to be on that board so i can figure out what happens if anything does

[Taly]

i am a STRONK POWER TOWNIE

i AM A THREAT

[Taly]

i personally consider "fucking eldritch horror who Should Not Be" to be a compliment, but to each their own

[Taly]

FUCK YEAH

The person has some humor, I feel good about the mechanic

[Taly]

Wheme, you probably shouldn't do that on the grounds that the hp might have an interaction other than dying

What do you think of Wheme's alignment?

Oh btw I think this is town!Wheme

Oh btw I think this is town!Wheme

Okay I agree

This puts a bad taste in my mouth because I feel like this both rewards

Wheme

for acting rashly and that these townreads are likely not all uninformed.

I disagree because:
1. A read is not a "reward", it's what I think about a person. This is like saying that if somebody who's known for high-efforting as scum plays a low-effort game I'm "rewarding" them for low effort by townreading them. It's silly.
2. Why do you think it's informed? I mean I don't have meta on scum!Wheme so maybe I'm wrong, but to me it seems very unlikely that scum!them would act with such rash / goofy behavior in a way that draws a lot of attention. How is that not a valid read?

I think the order threat board could definitely be controlled by the mod, but might just be a passive mechanic that has no actual mod discretion to it

I want to hear

biancospino

reply to the above

I think the list is controlled by a player

[Taly]

VOTE: Taly

No bad

*blows raspberry*

[Taly]

come on, vote me again and well have a wagon to talk about

[Taly]

most of the playerlist has already pinged me one way or another, this is an easy game

[Taly]

I don't understand what you're asking of me. I haven't found a question I thought was meaningful because I never said a read Watney viable. I just said that multiple townreads on a slot are easy to come from an informed perspective to create a flow with the playerlist. I wanted to hear from each of you 3

jjh/ice/bianco

individually to form an opinion of how you each feel about your stance to try and get a read on you.

[Taly]

Wasn't*

[Taly]

Taly just seems rly different compared to last game idk

You'd have a much more productive time asking yourself

"Why is

Taly

different"

I have a huge tonal range as town, that I can replicate with relative ease as scum

"Different"

isn't inherently AI with me

[Taly]

uh, I wanted to know why

Dragon

evaded my response to him, but I guess that won't bear fruit

Maybe I should give reads tbh

I've been a bit absent due to a holiday

[Taly]

VOTE: Dragon

The probelm I have is with Taly not answering it at all and also not really responding to what bianco said.

Alright I will do some ISO job to see if I find anything scummy

Didn't you already find something scummy

what was wrong about looking at someone else other than me?

[Taly]

come on, vote me again and well have a wagon to talk about

Uh, sure?

VOTE: Taly

*checks watch sadly* I was promised a wagon to talk about!

unfortunately me trying to read

dragon

in detail isnt going to be useful atp

how do you read

wheme's

vote?

[Taly]

instinct makes me want to flip

dragons

before replacement but that probably wont happen before one enters

[Taly]

highprincessemprys

ive looked at your ISO and couldnt really tell where you stand on anything, mind sharing any pressing thoughts?

[Taly]

instinct makes me want to flip

dragons

before replacement but that probably wont happen before one enters

We could do it

VOTE: Icedragon

It looks a lot like a scum slot

i mean, i felt that a lot of their emotion posting was insincere but that mightve been just new-player posting

VOTE: IceDragon

youre one of my 4 townreads so, here ya go

[Taly]

wheme

, come eliminate scum with us

[Taly]

you can jump down my throat if im wrong

[Taly]

its not like im playing to get NKed, yknow

pedit

instinct makes me want to flip

dragons

before replacement but that probably wont happen before one enters

nonsense! i'm here to help.
VOTE: IceDragon

good shit,

E2

, please be swift here

@Skygazer, how do yuo do fast nights in this game? is it a private consensus on everyone, or enough people wish it?

[Taly]

actually,

Dragon

is at E1

Wheme please fulfill your purpose in mafia and lolhammer

[Taly]

dragons

progressions were inconsistent and the emotion in their posts read as false, they also didnt have any detailed opinions on the game and i felt like their questions would be ones id fake as scum to keep below radar

[Taly]

if this thread is as null as some people elude then a good way to relief that is mod confirmation of a slots alignment

[Taly]

im going to campaign for fast night

[Taly]

This has got to be the shittiest flashwagon ever

On a holiday weekend no less

what do you think about the individual votes?

[Taly]

the day doesnt end?

[Taly]

I want the controller of the threat assessment board to name someone other than the mod, I don't know if the current name is a message or something

[Taly]

well, im treating this like twilight

Aureal/HPE's

responses this last page has made me think they're likelier town, especially on a

Dragons

!scumflip

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

I also think that whoever is responsible for it is wasting it because this is not an effective reaction test when a player is not here

Specifically, I believe that Kabouter Wesley is a player in this game

this effect may be automatic

[Taly]

thats a specific theory but im not mechnically minded when it comes to mafia

[Taly]

HEAL: Theta Alpine

i want to see if this also changes during the time

Mod, if an elimination reaches 5 votes, is that indefinitely going to be the elimination or does it depend on an day-ending condition

?

[Taly]

im wondering if the elimination has been locked in

[Taly]

It's very clearly not twilight, Taly


Actually, I think this particular use of the chaos is anti-town so I'm just gonna out my theory without being even remotely cryptic


The rules set out that there are 7 town players and 2 scum players. I think Kabouter Wesley is a puppet account controlled by one of the players in this game. I expected them to be more of a double voter if this was revealed but if they can't even vote then they are probably just a chaos gremlin

i have no idea why you feel the need to slander me like this, im as confused as you are about the lack of flip

would it be harmful to confirm or deny this theory?

[Taly]

we seem to have gotten quite a bit out of this flashwagon

[Taly]

It's very clearly not twilight, Taly


Actually, I think this particular use of the chaos is anti-town so I'm just gonna out my theory without being even remotely cryptic


The rules set out that there are 7 town players and 2 scum players. I think Kabouter Wesley is a puppet account controlled by one of the players in this game. I expected them to be more of a double voter if this was revealed but if they can't even vote then they are probably just a chaos gremlin

i have no idea why you feel the need to slander me like this, im as confused as you are about the lack of flip

would it be harmful to confirm or deny this theory?

i'm a normal ass player the same as you and jjh

ill go along with what you say

[Taly]

"random loved" effect? im unfamiliar

[Taly]

this is my first instance with

dragon

what about their posts are likely to be town that is wrongly scumread versus actual scum?

[Taly]

Mod, if an elimination reaches 5 votes, is that indefinitely going to be the elimination or does it depend on an day-ending condition

?

by default, an elimination will be processed as soon as a majority is reached.

@mod: How many players are in this game?

according to the playerlist, ten

Can a dayphase have multiple eliminations?

I'd have to rethink how I approach this game

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

Unless I misinterpret,

Dragon

is getting flipped

Sorry to

Aureal/Dragon

if I'm wrong.

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

Unless I misinterpret,

Dragon

is getting flipped

Sorry to

Aureal/Dragon

if I'm wrong.

But, a rep in knowing the fact that they're getting flipped anyway can be a gold mine for references postflip

[Taly]

On what exactly?

[Taly]

I'll give a proper answer later

Aureal

, I have chores to get done

I'm not so sure I want another elimination

Presumably, the deadline is when the day can end for good

[Taly]

meuh

do you think

aureal

is TMIing

drew

town? if not, what is your perception of them voicing their rebuke of the elimination?

[Taly]

@Aureal

Wtf is this

Why are there 10 players instead of 9

Wesley are you allowed to tell us?

I expected this to be a crazy game, but not THIS crazy

Okay so anyways hi people, especially Taly and jjh whom I don't know yet! Really excited to play with you cause you are apparently renowned town players.

this felt a bit intense emotion relative to the lack of knowledge we had on the setup

How about I get Theta down to 10 and then I’ll stop

I don't trust your ability to count and think you or someone else would probably just tip Theta over the edge at some point when nobody is looking

Didn't you say you wanted to RVS or something?

VOTE: Taly for bianco's VC thing

this doesnt really align with what is said later

Wheme, you probably shouldn't do that on the grounds that the hp might have an interaction other than dying

What do you think of Wheme's alignment?

i thought of prying further on why he posed the question and went with the answer but that wasnt possible

Oh btw I think this is town!Wheme

Oh btw I think this is town!Wheme

Okay I agree

This puts a bad taste in my mouth because I feel like this both rewards

Wheme

for acting rashly and that these townreads are likely not all uninformed.

I disagree because:
1. A read is not a "reward", it's what I think about a person. This is like saying that if somebody who's known for high-efforting as scum plays a low-effort game I'm "rewarding" them for low effort by townreading them. It's silly.
2. Why do you think it's informed? I mean I don't have meta on scum!Wheme so maybe I'm wrong, but to me it seems very unlikely that scum!them would act with such rash / goofy behavior in a way that draws a lot of attention. How is that not a valid read?

i found 2 to be rhetorical on a second glance but i could see an alternative perspective

The probelm I have is with Taly not answering it at all and also not really responding to what bianco said.

this felt like an overexplanation

VOTE: Dragon

The probelm I have is with Taly not answering it at all and also not really responding to what bianco said.

Alright I will do some ISO job to see if I find anything scummy

Didn't you already find something scummy

I honestly kinda forgot about that

But yeah I should probably pressure that

Oh look I'm already voting Taly

this was after my response to his prompt, which is the main ping i had with this slot

i also tend to scumread promises that arent kept

[Taly]

if this thread is as null as some people elude then a good way to relief that is mod confirmation of a slots alignment

And that seems rather backwards to me. Things are pretty null because of a dearth of alignment-related interactions. What good does confirming a slot's alignment do without much interaction about it?

plenty, i found a lot of the reaction related to the flash elimination on

dragon

to be AI for quite a few slots, and several counter-thoughts i have on these slots will be further cemented by knowing

dragons

alignment

[Taly]

i think i was pretty trigger happy because i just dislike waiting for replacements but that might have been unwise, i think the more appropriate stance i had with

dragons

ISO was that it pinged me in several places and i couldnt resolve that, and didnt want to leave a read that felt muddied to me

also, i already had multiple townreads by the time i posed my instinct of flipping

dragon

, so it aligned with a potential solve

[Taly]

normally, id likely voice an interest in considering multiple eliminations, but i have reason to play differently, so im unlikely to vote again today unless im very confident in a solve

[Taly]

jjh

, what was attractive about flipping

dragon

? you mentioned they looked like a scum slot

[Taly]

what would "resetting" do?

[Taly]

hmmmm

[Taly]

maybe unrelated but im wondering what people think of

wesley's

alignment

[Taly]

i actually have an idea i feel confident about regarding

wesley

but im intentionally not sharing it yet

[Taly]

i dont have a pretty sounding answer

aureal

, i just had a gut ping and thought acting on it would resolve it

[Taly]

i like the tone of

drew

so i hope your assessment is correct'

i kind of want to use a the board as a communication device

[Taly]

to who controls the board

Place "Taly" in the 4. position if you want to use your threat assessment as a way to communicate reads

Place "Taly" in the 3. position if you want to use the threat assessment board in another way

Place "Taly" in the 1. position if you do not want to continue this

or just ignore this message, I'd take the next VC or two as an answer.

[Taly]

I have skimmed backwards to about page 8 or nine.

What is this game Sky? Lol

I was gonna ask who Wesley is as well, but seems like it is a mystery to all.

Also, Aureal will hopefully get a chuckle out of hard defending mybslot without even knowing it lol.

(Though I do find it odd that she was so greatly defending Ice, but I don't think I could scum doing that unless they really really want the town cred......plus seems kinda par for the course on how she acts when fired up town).

So far that is my only real read, but still at work so will catch up more later on.

you have no commentary on your flashwagon? and potential flash-elimination?

[Taly]

I’m really fckin confused

we may or may not have turbolimmed

drew

before he rep'd in

aureal

is strong on

dragon/drew

slot being town here

jjh, myself, brancospino

all have differing ideas about

wesley's

slot

[Taly]

this game is pretty easy if

{aureal, jjh, theta}

are all town

i dont have a good track record at reading

meuh

so if anyone has insight there, feel free to share

[Taly]

Meuh

is town methinks

[Taly]

votecount 1.020

[ Theta Alpine | 73/100 hp ]

Taly (2) - WhemeStar, Aureal
Doctor Drew (1) - kabouter wesley
Aureal (1) - Meuh
kabouter wesley (1) - biancospino

not voting

(5) - Theta Alpine, jjh927, Taly, Doctor Drew, HighPrincessErinys

with ten alive, it takes five to chomp on some dust. day one ends in (expired on 2023-11-29 00:15:00).

mod notes:

order threat assessment board

#1 --> Taly
#2 --> Taly
#3 --> Taly
#4 --> Taly

I'm popular

[Taly]

Taly are you scum? I feel like you could be

Nah

I'd feign frustration if I were powerwolfing

[Taly]

It's also too much effort for me to townread over half the plist and just sit on that when I really don't have a reason to defend wagons, judging by the votes

[Taly]

What I mean is, I find my current play counterintuitive to what I'd do as scum but take self-meta as a grain of salt

[Taly]

IE, I don't need to TMI, my reads come from an uninformed POV

[Taly]

I also view the controllers board response as "all of the above" so I'll let them do what they want for now

[Taly]

tonal differences are probably from anhedonia

i had a manic episode last month and spent several weeks trying new meds

now that has resolved, im feeling a bit of my typical drop

its also winter, so i dont go out unless i absolutely need to

[Taly]

i wish my scumplay was this lax though

[Taly]

im really curious what your argument is in favor of me being scum

meuh

[Taly]

it was after, at the time, i felt good about my scumread on

dragons

and figured a flip would progress the game

[Taly]

i find it interesting my vote is getting the most attention here

[Taly]

ah not just you, just that other votes on your slot havent really been discussed aside from my inquiry to

jjh

i dont think there was more than 1 scum on that wagon

[Taly]

drew

feels town

drew/meuh/aureal/jjh/theta

probably 3p:

wesley

PoE:

HPE/bianco/wheme

uh, PoE feels like its only got 1 scum max but thats just based on empirical evidence of my D1 reads

plus i have reason to consider

jjh

may be correct with

wheme

[Taly]

oooh, i might be mislimmed this game

thatll be a first in years, im kind of excited and relieved

[Taly]

do i wanna wagon

bianco

or

hpe

[Taly]

bianco

because that

wesley

vote feels like path of least resistance and

wesley

feels like limbait

hpe

because i couldve misread its hesitance earlier and it is present and yet i dont rememeber any of its stances

[Taly]

ill let my townreads decide probably

[Taly]

iM nOT oPenWoLFiNg i PrOmISe

[Taly]

it wont be big brain when my toucan blood runs green

[Taly]

why are they skill issues and not scum pushing you?

[Taly]

Taly, why do you TR Meuh

I can't really explain because the game is ongoing

It's a tonal thing about the prospect of being miseliminated, it feels sincere and I find that reliable enough to consider it town indicative for

meuh

[Taly]

bruh im going vla

stop voting town

[Taly]

VOTE: biancospino

omgus

[Taly]

hahahahahaha i love it when votes follow mine

[Taly]

Real threat assetment board this time, still can't read its intent.

its

wesley's

reads

[Taly]

im a a power townie yay

[Taly]

im town

*blows raspberry*

[Taly]

why is

jjh

scum

[Taly]

please scumcase my partner so i can have proper peace of mind when i bus

[Taly]

WHY ARE WE VOTING

JJH

[Taly]

i would literally take this slot elo over most of you

what the fuck

[Taly]

I don't get what there is to parse here, HPE (an myself) had already stepped in at the point where jj enetered the frey so clearly by that point Wheme was already not going to end up going all the way.
And I'm not voting jj, so clearly I'm placing him at the bottom of that poe anyway

Yeah that's what I assume you meant but it's not what the words said. And why Taly over jjh?

VOTE: HPE

I mean I was, I hope, clear enough that today I'd rather go in {Taly, jjh}, and I only have weak reasons not to go jj. So, process and elimination and all that.

By

that

particular line, HPE not a wagon I want rn.

hmmmm

VOTE: jjh927

i feel a bit more like pushing this direction then taly

VOTE: jjh

is this because you couldnt E1 me

bianco

?

[Taly]

VOTE: jjh
in general i just have strange esoteric vibes regarding taly and jjh and how they reacted to dragon not flipping and made excuses

WHAT EXCUSES I EXPLAINED MY STANCE SEVERAL TIMES NOW

[Taly]

wesley

stop scumsiding

[Taly]

can people actually read my posts please and thank you

[Taly]

then vote me because why would i actively incriminate myself by hard-defending a partner i could just hammer and cash in towncred for it?

you have 0 depth to your thought

[Taly]

your handwave dismissal of my question is demoralizing hoenstly

[Taly]

wesley

do you have a killing role

is that why you're this flagrant

[Taly]

so can you answer my question on why

jjh

is scum?

pedit

wesley i have mechanical reasons to think you are not scum and yet you are challenging my self control to not vote you

mindmeld

[Taly]

i am starting to rethink my idea that someone that was on the dragons wagon had to be scum to be honest

i was always skeptical of this idea fwiw

[Taly]

I have 0 bandwidth for this but I don't get the wheme wagon either...

[Taly]

Also sorry for snapping at ya

wesley

you didn't deserve that level of salt from me

[Taly]

are we unable to vote this dayphase?

[Taly]

i still want to launch

biancospino

into space

i aggressively fought against

jjh

and then suddenly

wheme

is flashwagoned and turbolimmed

[Taly]

i really dont understand any vote on

wheme

[Taly]

jjh

are you TMIing all over the place or should i continue to feel good about you being town

[Taly]

Hmmm

So Drew, tell me more about why you thought Wheme was being coached to lurk and not fight his elimination?

Just seemed like he was too ok with his lim, like I could see a buddy in that situation telling him to just act like you have no idea what is going on and don't fight.

But honestly, started to feel like he was being coached as I questioned him a bit about not having any reads at all despite what has transpired.

I might have been projecting how I would have handled things though heh.

Pre Edit: Theta, do you think this is something we legit should pay attention to? I have been kinda ignoring it so far

this feels too specific a reason to come from scum at the velocity of the wagon

[Taly]

Why do you think jjh is town?

namely read accuracy that i dont think is faked

[Taly]

i want to line up more bodies

meuh

[Taly]

i will lolcat to get what i want because im a powerwolf

[Taly]

scum please kill me you will not win V me in elo

[Taly]

also

meuh

what does

"

taly

-esque"

mean?

[Taly]

i still want to launch

biancospino

into space

i aggressively fought against

jjh

and then suddenly

wheme

is flashwagoned and turbolimmed

hmmm

bianco

wasnt on the wagon directly

so for this worldview to make sense, only 1 scum is on the

wheme

wagon

[Taly]

lmao im talking about what town!

taly

box criteria you seem to hold for me

everyones town!

taly

box criteria is a little different

[Taly]

methinks im damaging thread health which is unusual hmmmmmmmmmm

maybe i should meme more

my mental health has plummeted i can definitely meme

pedit

Your early posting just felt slightly stiff and tonally off iirc
I don't have a strict definition because it's not a clearly defined thing, just a general feeling

a common grievance methinks

taly

needs to find

taly

in each game

pedit again

so for this worldview to make sense, only 1 scum is on the wheme
wagon

Is this hard to believe?

nope, i think its entirely plausible

[Taly]

im a ravenous toucan

bianco

if we dont see the blood of scum i am not satiated

[Taly]

but really, why is

jjh

scum?

[Taly]

Yay

[Taly]

meuh

and

aureal

carried, and

bianco

did well too