Open 900: 7p Wilson [Endgame]

[Black]

VOTE: Aureal

e-2

There's a 1/3 chance she's scum

[Black]

I completed 25 games last year and had to solve all of them, your math is waaaaaaaaay off

I can't believe you finally rolled scum and had to solve for a second scum team

At least this game you can just kill townies

[Black]

I think black is town!

Why

[Black]

I completed 25 games last year and had to solve all of them, your math is waaaaaaaaay off

I can't believe you finally rolled scum and had to solve for a second scum team

At least this game you can just kill townies

Also she quoted last years numbers.

New year, 2024 is the Year of the Scumbutt Aureal

Yep. Odds do suggest she'll start seeing more red PMs

[Black]

I completed 25 games last year and had to solve all of them, your math is waaaaaaaaay off

I can't believe you finally rolled scum and had to solve for a second scum team

At least this game you can just kill townies

Also she quoted last years numbers.

New year, 2024 is the Year of the Scumbutt Aureal

Yep. Odds do suggest she'll start seeing more red PMs

Or any red PM lol

We let Alianna finally win as scum, we can't let Aureal do the same

Aureal won as scum but yeah it was a blue PM XD

[Black]

This setup is wild

This is the smallest game I've ever played in. And first time where scum can't talk privately

[Black]

they've yet to even post

Do you think StD is scum because he hasn't posted yet?

[Black]

These Psyche reads feel like a stretch but I'm not sure they're scum motivated

[Black]

hi

and now i have nothing

This in particular I don't understand. If you think StD is scum because it took him awhile to post, why would him posting make you suddenly think he's town? Your main reason for thinking he's scum still exists

[Black]

These Psyche reads feel like a stretch but I'm not sure they're scum motivated

what would be the scum motivation

To try and seem like you have real reads and are trying to solve the game

[Black]

Why are you being so secretive about your read on me though? We know it's based on 10. You're right about me but I don't see why scum couldn't post that

[Black]

why

I can't argue that

Question for Black(and Aureal as well)

What would be the scum motivation from Psyche to post as he has?

I just answered this

[Black]

i find it kind of wasteful to talk too much about townreads. i’m supposed to be looking for scum, right? if i get everyone thinking ur town (best case scenario) then you get NKed or something and i lose my townread. i’d prefer you be medium suspected until the moment of truth where it’s between you and actual scum and i use my verbal kung fu to save you from certain death and town from certain defeat. the crowd will go wild and i’ll finally feel worthy of my mother’s love again.

Not sure if I should laugh at that last sentence or not

Yes, you're supposed to be looking for scum, but part of that is figuring out who is probably not scum in order to reduce the PoE. Finding townies is pretty important

I understand your logic about not wanting everyone to townread me but I highly doubt you'd be able to do that based on your read on 10. It's a pretty NAI post imo

Anyway I just wanted to pick your brain to see if the read was real but I don't think I'm getting anywhere

[Black]

Ok I glossed over that, but I feel scum would show the appearance of a more thought out read, specifically to avoid this very discussion we are having.

I agree, which is why I said I'm not sure his posts are scum motivated

[Black]

it’s ok. everyone knows you’re town by now anyway. pls vote for drew w me. he deserves it.

VOTE: Drew

i…i liked the way you counted your odds of landing a vote on scum, okay?

That's fair. I just think that's something scum could easily do, but I don't want to talk you out of your read if it's real because you're correct

[Black]

why

I can't argue that

Question for Black(and Aureal as well)

What would be the scum motivation from Psyche to post as he has?

Well I was wondering if he's trying to make something out of the way I mentioned StD in my opening post. The mention of 'alliances' makes me think that way, dunno what it means otherwise. If StD is town then playing up a connection there could be beneficial to scum, and they'd want to focus on Dragons first. Could just as well be town trying to make something of the comment. Mostly I'm just struggling to find a train of thought because Psyche seems all over the place. I can't tell how serious to take anything because stuff that seems possibly like an honest thought promptly gets undermined with tongue-in-cheek commentary.

I vibe with this train of thought

[Black]

Alianna is always on my mind

[Black]

The fact that some of the reads are wild and borderline nonsensical to me actually makes the town read a little stronger, as I think scum are more likely than town to appear to be putting in effort early rather than just pushing to make something happen from which to generate reads

This is kinda of a long the same lines I was thinking, yet I would say it is more NAI than anything

So not really along the same lines at all? If she thinks it's town indicative and you think it's NAI then where is the similar train of thought here

[Black]

Oh ok I see now

[Black]

i…i liked the way you counted your odds of landing a vote on scum, okay?

I thought this might be what you were thinking, but yeah thats really weak. I... don't think scum could possibly be confused enough to try to give the odds of someone being town from a scum PoV because the concept makes no sense from the PoV of someone who already knows.

to be clear, the rationale is that i don't think scum would bother to add that detail, not that i think they'd get the odds incorrect

This is believable

Devil's advocate though, I could add it if I wanted to look townier

[Black]

I think this is probably a real read though

+town for you

[Black]

Zebedee

Nice cop out answer

[Black]

i think the two are in drew, std, aureal

I don't mind this PoE

I'm not really seeing scum!StD yet though

[Black]

Zebedee

Nice cop out answer

Not my fault they haven't posted to give me anything to work with! Margot is just dead null, Drew is maaaybe a smidge below and the rest of ya a little over null. Z is as good a place to suspect as any.

I was kinda feeling good about Margot's posting. Any reason you don't feel good about them?

[Black]

So I guess the question is: what'd YOU see to make you feel good?

I think I'm just vibing with her responses to Drew. I don't have a substantial read there though

[Black]

You stopped contributing and are just adding to your post count with nothing.

Not really vibing with this though

Drew could be scum but I don't think this is a good reason at all. It's pretty typical to have some posts that aren't meant to progress the game. Saying Drew has stopped contributing isn't really fair

[Black]

i think the two are in drew, std, aureal

I don't mind this PoE

I'm not really seeing scum!StD yet though

Also, why even call it a PoE, are you seriously feeling that good about your townreads on page five, without Z even posting? How can Z be out of your PoE without posting? Are you actively scumreading Drew and I?

I'm calling it a PoE because that's essentially what it is

No I don't feel confident in any of my reads

Z is off my radar completely. He absolutely could be scum though

I'm not scumreading either of you but you're both probably south of null for me

[Black]

VOTE: Aureal

[Black]

I'm getting slightly nervous vibes from Aureal and I think that makes sense if she finally rolled scum again

[Black]

because I was starting to see some inconsistent thought from her after re-reading

?

[Black]

uhhh
what now?
i guess i should try harder to choose between drew and alianna
std's coasting act is likely guaranteed to get him through D1 right

There's no rush

We still have Z who hasn't even posted yet

I haven't gotten many pings so the reads I have feel pretty weak

[Black]

I kinda feel like StD is just hanging out in the background

Like even if it's true that he takes awhile to develop reads, he's not doing anything to expedite that process

[Black]

Thanks for asking before it all flees my mind! Although I nonetheless am taking the way you dropped a vote then went silent overnight only to come back with a response consisting of just one character to be a sign that you are nervous scum

Are you seriously scumreading me for not being available to post? Sorry I didn't post while I was asleep ig

I don't find your forming that poe to make sense with 73 which sounds like you agree with me. Forming a poe already doesn't make much sense in itself, it seems like trying to push a narrative. But the one you came up with is particularly bad, you seem to just be mirroring thread sentiment. Not including Zebedee is pretty wtf

I just said I didn't mind his PoE. I didn't say it was my PoE, I just found it somewhat believable. And I don't think it's necessary to include someone that hasn't even posted. Like of course they could be scum

Also I didn't like your interaction with Drew regarding Margot, it feels like interacting for the sake of it because you gave him a pass at the end but I didn't see his explanation actually explaining things

Ok

[Black]

I do think your bogus read on me "going silent overnight" and then posting one character is more likely to come from town. It's just such an awful point that I don't really think scum!you would use it to try to convince others I'm scum

VOTE: StD

I'll go here for now

[Black]

I do think your bogus read on me "going silent overnight" and then posting one character is more likely to come from town. It's just such an awful point that I don't really think scum!you would use it to try to convince others I'm scum

VOTE: StD

I'll go here for now

Do I need to cite scum you deciding to duck out for a bit rather than risk saying something to mess the situation up?

Yes because I don't know what you're referring to and now I'm curious

Legit though. I go to bed at 10-10:30 every night. Please don't try to use my sleep schedule against me

[Black]

Text bores me

Why did you sign up for the game?

[Black]

I do think your bogus read on me "going silent overnight" and then posting one character is more likely to come from town. It's just such an awful point that I don't really think scum!you would use it to try to convince others I'm scum

VOTE: StD

I'll go here for now

Do I need to cite scum you deciding to duck out for a bit rather than risk saying something to mess the situation up?

Yes because I don't know what you're referring to and now I'm curious

Legit though. I go to bed at 10-10:30 every night. Please don't try to use my sleep schedule against me

Your wish is my command

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Ok, so what do you think I was trying to duck here? What situation was I trying to avoid messing up?

[Black]

I do think your bogus read on me "going silent overnight" and then posting one character is more likely to come from town. It's just such an awful point that I don't really think scum!you would use it to try to convince others I'm scum

VOTE: StD

I'll go here for now

Do I need to cite scum you deciding to duck out for a bit rather than risk saying something to mess the situation up?

Yes because I don't know what you're referring to and now I'm curious

Legit though. I go to bed at 10-10:30 every night. Please don't try to use my sleep schedule against me

Your wish is my command

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Ok, so what do you think I was trying to duck here? What situation was I trying to avoid messing up?

Trying to avoid making things worse for Drew ofc, he was pretty clearly getting suspicion from all sides

Hmm. Ok, I can see what you are seeing here

[Black]

but her voting std kinda seems like she wanted to lead Psyche to std over you or me

I voted for StD because I was getting bad vibes from him not doing anything, and Aureal is starting to town ping me

I wouldn't mind if some people followed me there though

[Black]

I'm still down for a Drew fade btw

[Black]

but her voting std kinda seems like she wanted to lead Psyche to std over you or me

I voted for StD because I was getting bad vibes from him not doing anything, and Aureal is starting to town ping me

I wouldn't mind if some people followed me there though

What is town pinging you about Aureal?

I feel like her train of thought is coming from a town perspective

Like I said I don't really think scum!her would try to use my sleep schedule as a way to paint me as scum. It feels icky and it's not very convincing, so there's no real reason for her to even mention it if she's scum. I feel like this type of read comes from town!her that is paranoid that I'm scum, and I think it makes sense for her to be paranoid that I'm scum after recent games together

I also see the progression in her thinking I was trying to divert pressure off of you by voting for her. I don't think it's impossible for scum to have partner theories this early but this one actually feels real and genuine to me, idk

[Black]

Pretty sure that's only 2 votes on StD

Why do

you

townread Aureal?

[Black]

I'm still down for a Drew fade btw

Nice attempt at distancing.

Your reads are weak and there's still a missing slot but you're actually confident enough to say this? About Drew specifically, even. This is just you putting it on the record that "no guys see, I really did want to fade Drew" after he flips scum.

I think Drew and StD are the scummiest players so far so yeah I'm down to fade either one. That doesn't mean I want to do it right now

[Black]

StD/Margot has equity

[Black]

No I don't think it is

[Black]

I haven't given any reason, and I don't have to. Seem familiar?

[Black]

I haven't given any reason, and I don't have to. Seem familiar?

If you think trying to take refuge in my playstyle is going to get you townpoints you should actually adopt it rather than try to cherry pick something you think I might do that happens to be convenient at the moment

I likely wouldn't need to answer such a question because I wouldn't be talking about my willingness to fade anyone without first having some strong reason for it.

I don't really care if you townread me atm. I'm kind of annoyed with you

I'll explain why I think Drew could be scum whenever I feel like it

[Black]

sup

who is teh scum

Let us know what you think after you read

[Black]

I think I agree about Psyche

I'm curious why you think Aureal is scummy

[Black]

I kinda want to let Aureal respond to those accusations

But I do have a question about this

I also think psyche is like, obviously town. margot is also a bit towny. the other 3 idk yet,

I don't think I can read you before we get a flip

Are you referring to me in particular or all 3 of your null reads? Also why do you think this?

[Black]

Sorry if I'm actually bothering you two. I thought we were acquainted enough by this point that we could engage in friendly teasing banter, but I guess not.

Boy I almost want to thank my manager; spending an hour in the office yelling at each other about union stuff was a helpful jolt in pulling me out of a bad headspace where I cared about this Mafia shit.

...nope, never mind, writing this still hurts.

I don't think you need to apologize to me. I'm

slightly

annoyed with you in the context of the game but I'm not taking it personally at all

We can absolutely have teasing banter btw. That doesn't annoy me. Getting scumread for not posting overnight does, but you have every right to do that if you choose to. It's not crossing a line, but I hope you understand why it bothered me

Keep doing you boo. You know ily

[Black]

I'm sorry if this game has caused you any stress Aureal

[Black]

I definitely do enjoy playing with you

I want to echo this. Aureal you are one of my favorite people to play with

Drew you're up there too

Ok, enough sweet talk. Back to scumreading and killing scum

[Black]

i was referring to all three nulls, with an emphasis on you. the reason is your and drew's playstyle is too chaotic for me to be able to discern your alignment based on play only, and sdt's playstyle is too mild to be able to get anything out of it either. but after a flip i could probably form better reads based on how you interacted with the person who flipped

It seems a little odd that you're already giving up on reading us, but maybe that's just how you operate. I agree that associations make reading people a little easier though

I think if one of Drew/StD flips scum then you could be a partner trying to weasel your way out of spewing them

vote aureal then

I townlean her atm, so nah I'm good

[Black]

Christ playing this game as someone who is coming back after a long absence with little knowledge of others playing is difficult as hell. Working out where the social barriers sit is hard as hell. Anyway, I'm feeling better on Drew, and mostly just wanted to see what happened if I put them E-1, as I had no solid reads, sussed the slot and figured e-1 would give me a better idea of how to think about them.

For what it's worth, I am still sick, and in a lot of pain, so that wasn't a lie lol

What makes you feel better about Drew?

[Black]

VOTE: tired person

[Black]

do you have a reason for that?

Yes

and also, why are you townreading her?

I already talked about my Aureal read

[Black]

At the time, I thought their response to being voted to e-1 seemed townie, but looking back, I may have just been overwhelmed by the heated emotions, which I've historically been thrown off by in the past, esp when I feel like I've contributed

This is believable, but can you elaborate on what you townread about Drew's response?

[Black]

Oh wait are you saying it was Drew's heated emotions that you townread? Sorry I'm half awake lol

[Black]

you mean this?

No, 182

i don't think it makes sense to ignore all the reasons she's scummy just because she had a weird read on you. if anything you should be pressuring her harder

Can you go over all these reasons you think she's scum? If it's just 211 then I don't think these reasons are very good

[Black]

if i be honest, i am not sure why, but i think black and aureal are almost never both town

Also can you try to put this read into words if you can? Because to me it just feels like you don't like that we are both getting townread

[Black]

sorry black but i don't usually make long winded posts but i can try for you if that's like important for you.

my reasons for thinking aureal is scum are pretty simple.
1. her tone feels forced and it feels like she's trying to portray a character of an uninformed and paranoid towny but not like she really is one.
2. i felt that her level of surprise at early reads was unnatural, and that the early reads she was surprised about were natural.
3. i think it's pretty obvious she isn't trying to solve considering she literally decided zebedee was scum before he even posted, and continues to think i am scum without trying to actually evaluate my posting at all. additionally, she had no reads except that a non-poster was scum on page 5. where everyone else had expressed some sort of read and attempt to sort. instead she only asks questions about other people's reads but doesn't really sort ppl.
3.5. to explain this more in detail, i don't feel her questions are meant to sort anyone as much as discredit and/or blend in by asking questions (that don't lead anywhere).
4. pushing/discrediting you for the very natural thing of forgetting a non-poster is not exactly how i'd expect a towny to react.
5. this is not really a reason to think she's scum but i don't think having a bad read on you (regarding your sleep) should make her towny. i could definitely see her as scum not knowing what to do so making up a weird and convoluted read.

Have you ever played with Aureal? Because #1, #3, and maybe #2 (I'd have to go back and check on this one because my memory is shit) are staples of her town game

#4 makes sense considering the context or our relationship. Specifically there have been a few games I played with her where I was scum and fooled her, so now it seems like she's always concerned I'm scum and can see scummy things in behaviors that aren't really scummy. Regarding her read on me not posting overnight, she explained that she thought I had nope'd out of the thread for awhile because I didn't know how to post in the gamestate, which is something I did recently as scum. Still a bad read but I can see it making sense in a town!Aureal world

[Black]

and again you are coming up with unsubstantiated reasons to scumread me. how have i indicated any sort of dislike for you being townread? i haven't.

You haven't, but scum don't like it when townies are townread. You not liking it is implied in a scum!you world

i just think aureal is really scummy and that to tr her and not be willing to be persuaded by my case on her might imply that you are scum with tmi if she does end up flipping town. but more likely than not she flips scum and you are just pocketed.

I don't think she's really scummy, and maybe I would be persuaded by your case if it was more convincing. If Aureal is town then I can't help but feel like you're the informed one and are now trying to set up a misfade on me once she flips

[Black]

if i be honest, i am not sure why, but i think black and aureal are almost never both town

Also can you try to put this read into words if you can? Because to me it just feels like you don't like that we are both getting townread

it's just a gut feeling

and again you are coming up with unsubstantiated reasons to scumread me. how have i indicated any sort of dislike for you being townread? i haven't. i just think aureal is really scummy and that to tr her and not be willing to be persuaded by my case on her might imply that you are scum with tmi if she does end up flipping town. but more likely than not she flips scum and you are just pocketed.

Is Black scum reading you?

Are you even reading?

[Black]

Drew you should sheep me on tired person

[Black]

Drew you should sheep me on tired person

VOTE: Tired

I do hope Psyche has something fun cooked up for us though lol

Thank you boo

Do you have any thoughts on tired's posts? I'm assuming you don't townread them if you are willing to sheep me here

[Black]

Intent to hammer

Will probably do this before I go to bed tonight (~3 hrs)

I'll explain my read a little before I vote

[Black]

I was hoping to get more reactions from the hammer intent post, from both Drew and people I suspect as his partners

My read on Drew kinda sucks. I spent like half an hour writing up a post and at the end of it I just realized most of the stuff I scumread him for are NAI and vibey stuff. Like him trying to buddy Psyche, but as I was looking through the game I realized he may have been buddying Psyche because he thought he was his old scum buddy from a different game

198 and 201 I actually think Drew and I mindmelded here a little on Aureal. We got annoyed with her, not for the exact same reasons, but essentially neither of us liked how Aureal was pushing us. I didn't realize how similar our reactions were with her until just now looking back on it

I do feel like he could be trying to pocket me because his townread on me and willingness to sheep me feels a little overdone or something. I also have some theories about Drew being scum with a couple of people, but I don't want to reveal who yet. I think these association reads might be what is making me ok fading Drew

With the deadline approaching we need to fade someone and I think Drew is one of our better options. I'll postpone hammer until tomorrow though. I want to hear what Psyche has to say and maybe hear more from everyone else as well

[Black]

Also I now think Margot is likely town from the frustration at trying to read through the emotion in other people's existing relationships

I agree with this

[Black]

Intent to hammer

Will probably do this before I go to bed tonight (~3 hrs)

I'll explain my read a little before I vote

I will be sad if we never find out what Psyche is plotting

Seriously.......also, it is past Black's bedtime now lol

I thought I would be hammered by now

It's the weekend babyyyyyy

[Black]

I was hoping to get more reactions from the hammer intent post, from both Drew and people I suspect as his partners

My read on Drew kinda sucks. I spent like half an hour writing up a post and at the end of it I just realized most of the stuff I scumread him for are NAI and vibey stuff. Like him trying to buddy Psyche, but as I was looking through the game I realized he may have been buddying Psyche because he thought he was his old scum buddy from a different game

198 and 201 I actually think Drew and I mindmelded here a little on Aureal. We got annoyed with her, not for the exact same reasons, but essentially neither of us liked how Aureal was pushing us. I didn't realize how similar our reactions were with her until just now looking back on it

I do feel like he could be trying to pocket me because his townread on me and willingness to sheep me feels a little overdone or something. I also have some theories about Drew being scum with a couple of people, but I don't want to reveal who yet. I think these association reads might be what is making me ok fading Drew

With the deadline approaching we need to fade someone and I think Drew is one of our better options. I'll postpone hammer until tomorrow though. I want to hear what Psyche has to say and maybe hear more from everyone else as well

Like, I do get what you are saying here.

But I can promise you I am not the correct fade here, I have been sheeping you since I came to you and Aureal as town.....I didn't have a solid read on scum. I followed you to std and Tired since I didn't believe you were coming from a scummy perspective.

Like I clearly didn't like Margot's push on me, but I dunno.....seems a bit emotional on my part

And I actually was just really enjoying Psyche, and then I realized that 'holy shit, is this Peregrine from Boons Ahoy?!'

But ya, we need my homie Psyche to way in before any decision is made

Who do you scumread

[Black]

ooh i have an idea ok ok ok give me while

Time's ticking on D1

[Black]

Intent to hammer

Will probably do this before I go to bed tonight (~3 hrs)

I'll explain my read a little before I vote

I will be sad if we never find out what Psyche is plotting

Seriously.......also, it is past Black's bedtime now lol

I thought I would be hammered by now

It's the weekend babyyyyyy

It's Friday, you ain't got not job, you ain't shit to do......I am gonna get you hiiiiiiiigh

Pre Edit: Literally said I don't have a solid scum read, but really don't like Tired for reasons I mentioned

You said you

didn't

, so I thought you did now

[Black]

You seem a little more defensive than usual. Idk, I'm just not used to seeing this side of you

[Black]

Like with Aureal I get obviously because I felt that too but I don't understand the emotional reaction to Margot, and now 274 felt a little snappy

[Black]

Stop trying to be a sneaky butthole lol

I'm not trying to be sneaky. I wanted to know about your current scumreads, and you using the past tense "didn't have" combined with "solid" scumreads makes that a viable question

Tired would be who I would want, with a side of maybe std or Margot

This is identical to my PoE, plus you obviously. Maybe minus Margot. I think she could go either way and I'm not really interested in fading there atm

[Black]

I think I would rather go tired person here

I know this is going to make me look really bad if Drew is actually scum but I'm just getting a bad feeling about this gamestate. It feels like scum are just being quiet and are happy to let the Drew fade happen

[Black]

I don't like that tired is coming up with reasons to hammer Drew now that there is interest in a tired wagon

[Black]

17 hours left, it'll probably have to be Drew anyway

[Black]

Oh I didn't realize StD unvoted

[Black]

7 hours

Time to start consolidating @tired @margot @std

[Black]

If tired flips town, what do we do then? We're probably back after Drew tomorrow. If tired flips scum, what do we do then? We're probably back after Drew tomorrow.

Flipping tired tells me nothing, flipping Drew is actually informative. If Drew is actually town in spite of my strong suspicion, I need to know that now and I re-evaluate. We only get one wrong flip here, remember.

Alright

VOTE: Drew

[Black]

Well Drew don't leave us hanging

[Black]

I hammered you

Are you scum?

[Black]

I don't like that you are toying with the idea of scumreading me regardless of what Drew flips here. Feels kinda agenda driven

[Black]

I also don't like that you are trying to blame the stale gamestate on me. People weren't very active long before my intent post. It feels like you threw this in because you needed more reasons to shade me

[Black]

I don't like that you are toying with the idea of scumreading me regardless of what Drew flips here. Feels kinda agenda driven

Well yes, I don't expect you to like it, that's why I held off on giving the rest of my re-evaluation until I could see what reaction my ask would get.

Mmhmmm

[Black]

Bottom line, I think STD and Margot are just likely town so I'm not solving for teams with them. I know you guys don't like it, but STD just doesn't do a lot as town. He's being nonchalant and not trying to push an agenda.

Drew/tired
Drew/Black
Black/Psyche

I've seen StD do a lot more than this as town. Do you think he does a lot as scum?

[Black]

I don't really think it's Aureal here

She had a lot of opportunities to jump off the Drew wagon and she didn't. I feel like bussing D1 in this setup is probably not the optimal play

I don't like how she was plotting to push me regardless of Drew's flip but I think it probably came from a town perspective that is worried about being NK'd as opposed to scum setting up my misfade

My instinct tells me it's tired person but I can also see StD as a partner. I've been townreading Psyche all game so I don't really think it's him

[Black]

so how exactly am i drew's partner when he swapped vote to me in a survivalistic way to avoid getting eliminated?

He voted you because I asked him to. It would have been scummy for him not to after he had been sheeping me all game

[Black]

I got off of drew because I agreed with black about no one caring that black said she would hammer. I don't think that's unreasonable to think. And I don't really think it makes much sense as an attempt to save him, I didn't do anything to help him at all

I think it's just tired person

VOTE: tired person

What are your thoughts on Aureal?

[Black]

on the other hand, from your pov, std should be the scum because he moved onto me when drew was about to be limmed and didn't even move back. the fact you aren't really considering that possibility is weird, and the main reason i think you are scum

My instinct tells me it's tired person but I can also see StD as a partner. I've been townreading Psyche all game so I don't really think it's him

Don't blatantly misrep me

[Black]

i have renewed confidence in my black read and renewed suspicion of aureal. i also wish STD would do something...

Can you go into your Aureal read a bit

[Black]

VOTE: StD

[Black]

Somehow I'm not even surprised people are voting Dragons

Is this really all you have to contribute?

[Black]

wait why don't i just skip the wallpost and hammer him right now

wait why don't i just skip the wallpost and hammer him right now

Please don't

Ya'll are trippin. Everyone has one vote on them

[Black]

Aureal I expected you to push me really hard today

Why are you suddenly taking a backseat in this game?

[Black]

Hmmmm

[Black]

I hammered you

Are you scum?

Oh I missed that

No, like I said I am not scum, and what have you learned now Aureal?

That Black is scum. Probably with Psyche.

But her reactions here are already kinda telling me that.

Because of this post

[Black]

Therefore statement "Black is scum" does not follow, remains in previous position of "Black might be scum"

You thought I was scum with Drew or Psyche. Drew flips scum. So I'm not following why you would suddenly doubt that I'm scum here

[Black]

With a dose of "this feels like annoyance at bussing only to be told she's not getting townpoints for it"

I don't think I deserve any townpoints for hammering Drew. In fact I think the way I handled the Drew fade looks really bad, so you are reading this wrong

[Black]

Therefore statement "Black is scum" does not follow, remains in previous position of "Black might be scum"

You thought I was scum with Drew or Psyche. Drew flips scum. So I'm not following why you would suddenly doubt that I'm scum here

On a second glance at your ISO I see that you are also considering a Drew/tired pair so I guess your hesitation does make sense

[Black]

VOTE: tired person

I still think it might be StD but as long as we fade both then I think we just win the game

[Black]

this was true yesterday. what changed your mind?

What do you mean?

[Black]

I'm down to fade either of you, and I think there's more support for your fade than StD's

[Black]

black u wanna switch to std and if u scum we 1v1 day 3? or u wanna 1v1 now?

I'm kinda hoping Aureal will hammer you but I might do this if she doesn't

[Black]

think case on std is stronger
there are town-telling posts in tp's iso
can't really say the same of std
aureal's stance on std seems to just that this is his meta
but that's seems to imply NAI, insufficient basis for a townread, which is what she rather confidently expresses in 356

Eh, maybe you're right

I'm not putting too much stock in Aureal's meta read. I think StD is completely capable of just lurking as scum

Ok why not

VOTE: StD

[Black]

Drew consistently trying to pair Aureal and StD together might have been an attempt to set Aureal up if scum!StD ever got faded

[Black]

think case on std is stronger
there are town-telling posts in tp's iso
can't really say the same of std
aureal's stance on std seems to just that this is his meta
but that's seems to imply NAI, insufficient basis for a townread, which is what she rather confidently expresses in 356

Eh, maybe you're right

I'm not putting too much stock in Aureal's meta read. I think StD is completely capable of just lurking as scum

Ok why not

VOTE: StD

Wanna show me some scum meta you think is similar this? I haven't played with scum Dragons but read Death Note way back and I think that showed a different mindset. I've seen multiple people describe his meta differences and it's not served me poorly yet.

I think relying solely on meta to clear StD is a risky play. I'm not sure why you don't think it's possible for scum!StD to just lurk around and not do much in a 7 player game

[Black]

VOTE: tired person

I'm down to do this before StD but I'll need your vote Aureal

I'm town and I'm hoping you can find me here

[Black]

You seem more desperate to survive

[Black]

[Black]

Pain

[Black]

Would Aureal really bus Drew the entirety of D1? I mean it has pretty much made me give her a pass for the whole game so it seems like a pretty effective move in hindsight

[Black]

My brain tells me it's StD but my paranoia is telling me it's Aureal

[Black]

If it's Aureal and Drew then they actually got heated at each other D1 and it wasn't planned due to no scum PT, which would be a pretty interesting dynamic

[Black]

StD only has 24 posts in the game

I don't really like these

i usually take a while to develop reads

dr drew is there a reason you're voting me

VOTE: drew

UNVOTE: i kinda feel the same

VOTE: tired person

VOTE: tired person

ok maybe sdt is scum

VOTE: sdt

because i voted you? come on

I got off of drew because I agreed with black about no one caring that black said she would hammer. I don't think that's unreasonable to think. And I don't really think it makes much sense as an attempt to save him, I didn't do anything to help him at all

I think it's just tired person

VOTE: tired person

[Black]

I'll take a closer look at Aureal after breakfast and errands

[Black]

I think they look a little bad in the context of a you/Drew scum team

[Black]

dont you have a similar progression? i just am less verbose

Yes but I know I'm town. I can't be sure your progression comes from the same place

[Black]

Do you think it's me or Aureal?

[Black]

I'm about to do something really stupid

[Black]

VOTE: Aureal

The paranoia that I'm getting played by Aureal is just too strong

I'm sorry if I'm wrong

[Black]

Damn

[Black]

Sorry Aureal

I suck

[Black]

Well played StD

[Black]

gg!

[Black]

ugh Aureal is really not going to be happy with me here, and tbh I can't blame her

What a throw

[Black]

StD's "solving" was convincing me, even though it really shouldn't have

[Black]

mmhmm

[Black]

Adios

[Black]

I'm sorry to hear that boo

And I'm sorry for throwing the game there at the end. In hindsight I should have taken my time. I was trying to be the hero and I ended up being a zero

[Black]

Well done by StD, I thought he was a goner when he lost Drew but he was able to let town eat themselves.

Yeah this just proves my point further that scum!StD is completely capable of mimicking his town game

[Black]

would it be okay to rant a little? it would probably be rude right? i'll just shush

You can flame me if you want. I threw the game

[Black]

Tbf I highly doubt StD's late entrance had anything to do with his alignment

[Black]

Psyche you played well. I'm sorry I couldn't seal the deal for us in the end