Open 903: IC Basic [Game Over]

[SzmarzLeek]

hello

I'm leek

gob who's your partner and we end

[SzmarzLeek]

hello

I'm leek

gob who's your partner and we end

it was you i thought?

you were supposed to say it's not me, so they're confused

like a trick, you know

[SzmarzLeek]

hello leek

VOTE: SzmarzLeek

OMG!

VOTE: Gypyx

[SzmarzLeek]

alright, now need to find Gypyx's partner

Gypyx confirmed scum

1. waited eagerly for the game to start after getting a role PM - scum wants to gain position as early as possible
2. votes obvtown leek who had the most innocent entrance
3. references IC in her opening post to gain favor in confirmed townie

here we go

[SzmarzLeek]

oh, that's unexpected

I'm speechless

[SzmarzLeek]

Hello!

I clicked "Submit" almost 30 minutes after clicking "Post Reply". Why is it so hard to come up with an entrance?

because you're scum

hehe, wanted to tell them the same before I noticed that there's another page of posts and you already said that

-0.5 scum point for Gypyx (could be bussing! )
+1 scum point for Little Wisp

[SzmarzLeek]

Hello!

I clicked "Submit" almost 30 minutes after clicking "Post Reply". Why is it so hard to come up with an entrance?

because you're scum

hehe, wanted to tell them the same before I noticed that there's another page of posts and you already said that

-0.5 scum point for Gypyx (could be bussing! )
+1 scum point for Little Wisp

I would never dare to bus my teammate

what about you

I cannot tell you, what if I roll scum next game and then you'll know if I was bussing the scum we've hit or not 🫨

[SzmarzLeek]

uhhh, ok

yeah so kinda getting weird vibes from leek's overall posting? Kinda feels forced in the realm of wanting to push the game out of RVS while being extremely self-concsious, which is a mindset that more often comes from town than scum

also 43 Feels very much exagerrated in it's "oh yeah, i would be scum next game cause this one i'm totally town !"

am already voting leek but this can be for realsies now

indeed, leek could be a scum who wants to make a townslip or simply a towny who doesn't want to tell if they're bussing their teammates or not for the sake of their scum games

also, is pushing the game out of RVS as a first person a scummy thing to do? a scum, I would imagine, would like to chill in the RVS fluff!

[SzmarzLeek]

I don't dislike 43. I could see myself posting something similar.

I imagine that in such a small game, scum!will o wisp would hop on this attack or stay silent

unless he's scum with Gypyx and they want to separate their stances, but I'd just keep my mouth shut too in that case I guess

so less likely for scum!Will to jump into my defense here and more likely for town I'd say

[SzmarzLeek]

yep, loving to get the game going!

what do you think about will defending me a bit there?

[SzmarzLeek]

hello fellas, catchin up

bet y'all missed me

I thought things over. I'm going to stick with Leek being Town.

Notas' vote on Leek was opportunistic.

VOTE: NotAScum

yeah, this was my first though, but...

I actually said defending me there was a towny thing to do (as a reference to you) as opposed to jumping on it

meanwhile here comes NotAScum and hops on the wagon like he doesn't care about his position

would be a bit counterintuitive after that sequence?

[SzmarzLeek]

I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?

that's a very naive thought to make

I don't like that you had this thought

scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum game

[SzmarzLeek]

actually Nora tries to not say much overall

VOTE: Nora

[SzmarzLeek]

7 days per in-game day? 48 hours per in-game day is the norm where I use to play but even then it feels too slow. I hope you guys don't plan to wait till the end of the day to vote out.

Also what is the L-word? Is it a 5 letter word that ends with 'h'?

why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?

Bit of a sussy post here

I actually wanted to pressure you for this post but I realized you're a confirmed townie

[SzmarzLeek]

Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.

who's your non-gob tr?

[SzmarzLeek]

I consider Wisp and Gypyx unlimmable today, very proactive gamestyle, not saying they're townlock ofc, but a good start, if I would only consider them a bit later in the game

[SzmarzLeek]

yeah, but eh, felt like a bit too obvious "hop on the wagon" to me

scum needs to push some towny for the lim, but the way NAS did it was a tad too conspicuous?

[SzmarzLeek]

it happens when you tunnel tbh Gypyx

let's look at some other perspective

obvious question is obvious

coming from scum: question faking activity
coming from town: trying to move the game forward, try to make someone less active participate more

scum would be more enclined to scumread an IC post imo since everyone is an IC in their eyes

or it might come from a town, who doesn't recognize all the names yet (as this is a start of the game), and just drew his attention, because town has no idea who's scum and instinctively notices a post he doesn't like

plus the ":D" also sound tryhardish as i don't recall who put it, like he really wants to make sure this is light hearted

or it was truly a light hearted post, coming from a town as a joke, since it gob is confirmed towny indeed

Accusing her of something he's doing himself, which is generally something that's very natural to do for scum (at least when i play it that's how i think, since people generally like to base the way they're hunting for scumplay around how they play scum)

I don't agree I'm doing it myself, and also even if I did I don't agree it's scummy
such "hypocrisy" is often towny: if you have 2 people playing in a "scummy" way, its easier for the towny inside this pair to notice stuff, because the pool is smaller (1 player) instead of two players to consider

[SzmarzLeek]

and also, regarding this:

*takes the top 2 posters*

we're not killing here but also maybe we'll be killing here

I don't know who has the most posts tbh, it's just something I thought when catching up with the thread!
and it's more precise: we're not killing there today but we shouldn't stop considering these slots in later days confbias is a thing, sometime a scum who slips through d1 with a very good entrance is being put down in mind as "eh, it's town there, I'm not looking there"

[SzmarzLeek]

I'm still convinced leek is scum, other than that I'll have to wait till D2 to get a good read on everyone.

can you elaborate on this scumread? provide some arguments?

don't you think such "leek scum, skip other reads" approach is a bit suboptimal?

[SzmarzLeek]

Gypyx, fix your confbias!

[SzmarzLeek]

kinda quiet here

I guess I didn't interact with Bingle yet so I read them

Bingle, you kinda defended my entrance into the thread, but do you have any scumread at this point? what are you thoughts on NotAScum and Nora?
I think we might be having twtbaw case here with NAS

[SzmarzLeek]

Bellaphant has been prodded.

This is Bella's biggest scumtell. According to my records.

you mean, you have a metaread? Bella is more inclined to not care about game if they don't roll a scum?

because in my experience, not knowing the meta, it's townies that are doing that in more cases

[SzmarzLeek]

I think we might be having twtbaw case here with NAS

Hmmm. I am scumreading NAS's play and gamestate reading NAS as likely town, so loosely I agree with you.

yeah, this guy's posts seem to be exactly the opposite of what would you expect from a towny, it's a position ruining game xD

[SzmarzLeek]

Bella's inactivity is suspicious. I'm always alerted on hyper-inactive players who tend to be scum more often than not.

can you rephrase that? because I don't really get it

what's suspicious about inactivity?

[SzmarzLeek]

I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?

I still think this is the scummiest post of the game so far

like, some of you called some of my thoughts shallow, but they're deep like the ocean compared to that Nora's post

it really feels like a forced way to contribute

I also feel a bit opposition in the thread on Nora's push, higher than expected

[SzmarzLeek]

@Nora:

What do you think of literally no one following up on your scumread of me and gypyx specifically ignoring it?
Do you think ‘creative’ reads/lines of thought are inherently scummy, towny, NAI, or need to be judged on a case by case? If the last, what do you think about this one and why?

Usually when my scumreads get ignored they are correct lol, and when my pushes gain traction it ends up flipping town >.> In a new environment where I know no one my pushes being ignored is probably NAI.

gypyx themself have seemed very townie to me though. They are being aggressive and to-the-point with their posts and there's this investigative tone to them, in a way that I find hard for wolves to replicate for fear of standing out too much. I don't think a wolf would want to invite others to sus them by being rude and forthright with everyone (uhm not rude in a bad sense but like...how do I put it lol, their posts all sound slightly angry).

I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?

that's a very naive thought to make

I don't like that you had this thought

scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum game

...well this might be my inexperience with long form forum mafia showing. I usually start looking for connections early.

Nora, what does the form of the game have to do with it? You played Discord games, right? What's the connection between forum and non-forum games and finding connections?

Do you really believe that in a 2 scum game, one scum would defend another so blatantly in d1?

[SzmarzLeek]

haha, Aureal coming back and voting the guy with most votes on worst reasons in the thread so far

look how many arguments Gypyx made against me compared to that

[SzmarzLeek]

why do you keep beating the dead horse? x_x I've already explained my playstyle is contingent on fast-paced games where even in 24 hr Days we usually hammer within a few hours. Obviously there will be a difference in approaches but I think I am adapting well?

This is not what I'm asking about. You're literally avoiding answers. We're not talking being adjusted to modes.

1. I played a lot of games in 24h mode myself. Why partner strategies would be any different compared to 7 day games?
2. Do you really think that scum would be defending their partner, and that's how you reached this SvS thought?

[SzmarzLeek]

And how are you an easy push, Nora, if nobody except me suspects you it seems?

[SzmarzLeek]

Where is this back-and-forth taking you?

well, I had to push 3 times for you to actually explain your Leek Bingle post

[SzmarzLeek]

VOTE: Aureal

[SzmarzLeek]

I changed my mind, I think it'll be VOTE: Nora

[SzmarzLeek]

and after some consideration, NotAScum might be scum too

he's posting stuff that would be suicidal for scum, that's true

but I really struggle to find a towny thought process between "let's look for scum in actives" to "inactivity is scummy"

you can change your mind based on someone's posts but changing the way you look for scum in 24 hours? we're getting too farfetched there imo

[SzmarzLeek]

but overall, I think Nora is sus

sole fact that I had to ask three times to get a proper answer, makes me think she really made a scummy post and wanted to dismiss the matter

we should've gotten that answer during my first push on that post

[SzmarzLeek]

Aureal is playing bad for both town and scum

she's a decent town, I played with her a bit, guess her scum game wouldn't be as bad as it is here, too?

I don't like the approach to just come into the thread and sus your opponent though

but I think she deserves another day

[SzmarzLeek]

Bella's lim imo is 75% chance of a miss, I would say 3 out of 4 times people who don't give a damn are town

[SzmarzLeek]

Bingle, what you exactly don't like about Wisp? can you elaborate? maybe I'm missing something here, he seems generally towny and I liked the fact that he was the first person in the thread to give their list of players categorized

[SzmarzLeek]

as for Bingle, they're kinda positioned in the middle of the thread, which is a comfortable spot for scum (not a low hanging fruit, not into leadership), but could also be a NAI for players who generally perform such plastyle in both factions

[SzmarzLeek]

Bingle, what you exactly don't like about Wisp? can you elaborate? maybe I'm missing something here, he seems generally towny and I liked the fact that he was the first person in the thread to give their list of players categorized

although I would agree that Gypyx is generally townier than Willow

[SzmarzLeek]

I think Aureal deserves another day

It'd be Nora for me today

[SzmarzLeek]

Bingle, what you exactly don't like about Wisp? can you elaborate? maybe I'm missing something here, he seems generally towny and I liked the fact that he was the first person in the thread to give their list of players categorized

S’not anything he’s doing, but more what he isn’t doing. I want to see more solving and engagement from him, and I question how anyone can have a townread there when his contribution is so thin so far.

so what would you say about limming Wisp today? I can help you do that

[SzmarzLeek]

k

VOTE: NotAScum

[SzmarzLeek]

k

VOTE: NotAScum

Why did you blindly vote NotAScum when i asked but not Aureal?

because I'm partnered with Aureal

in seriousness though: I think Aureal deserves another day, I believe she has potential to play in such a way we could clear or condemn her as the game progresses
NotAScum will be considered every cycle with their playstyle, hard slot to townlock and giving me doubts, as I said here

and after some consideration, NotAScum might be scum too

he's posting stuff that would be suicidal for scum, that's true

but I really struggle to find a towny thought process between "let's look for scum in actives" to "inactivity is scummy"

you can change your mind based on someone's posts but changing the way you look for scum in 24 hours? we're getting too farfetched there imo

also, we're nearing the deadline and earlier I assumed you were fishing for reaction, NAS push I read as more final decision, so why not follow you with assurance that it comes from a confirmed townie without scum agenda

[SzmarzLeek]

okay, Nora is probably scum

[SzmarzLeek]

how do you expect person to commit to their reads if we're at the stage when we know the least and each page is 10% more material to reconsider stances

my "hedge" reads as you call them present the perfect mind of unsure townie

[SzmarzLeek]

I will write an analysis on Nora after work (its 10 AM in my tz) and diffuse her playstyle

I will clearly showcase how she avoided the question

[SzmarzLeek]

honestly really wanna hammer NAS cause he feels like he's saying anything that sounds right to himself without really ryhme or reason

kinda wanna see where leek is going with his analysis of nora though

yes, y'all need to wait, let's use all the time we have