This was your original accusation. You lied. I didn't ask you a single time what your reads would be if you considered us townIn post 2258, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: You asked this same question 6 times in past 4 5 pages with different wordings and it was answered both by me and by others
Who is partner of Kiri thenIn post 2277, Von Payne wrote: I won't be engaging with her slot any further so if anyone else wants to engage with me to help make your decision between us easier then feel free
No one won game with hunting mafia like they are serial killers.
Yeah I just haven't been able to really sink my teeth into this game. It's been on the back burner for me. Not ideal but that's life sometimes
This is valid, and I might spend some time this evening going through D1 and and seeing if there is anything Aureal can give that partners her with someone not named Kyo
This is DunnIn post 2061, Von Payne wrote:Is this Dunn or Gif?In post 2059, Silver Ravens wrote: That's a Maria post
What do you make of the events of the day? Apologies if you did comment, was at work for most of my posting
BullshitIn post 2286, Silver Ravens wrote:This is DunnIn post 2061, Von Payne wrote:Is this Dunn or Gif?In post 2059, Silver Ravens wrote: That's a Maria post
What do you make of the events of the day? Apologies if you did comment, was at work for most of my posting
Right now I am thinking you could be scum due to having a mismatch between what you are saying and thinking. You told Catgirl Chipotle that you had already explained things but I think what you said matches their interpretation while you think you said something else.
So in this scenario you are not being genuine with your thoughts.
I thought that Actiondan called out the hide result. Though we did follow up on it quickly.In post 2129, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: there is a less than 5% chance the last scum is in sunflower/raven dua. first cause oif the very narrow mindset and lack of critical solving and sidelining in most reads and the way they hard focus on certain reads in public neighborhoods, but I dont think so, cause even with their lackluster solves, they are trying to put themselves in other slots postions and check them from variont aspects.
raven is also very very gone. they almost had no impact in game in anyway so im not really certain about them at all. I have an okish feeling about them because they called out the aureal hide result first day 2.
enchant is town cause gimli was town. I can give 10 reasons for this and elaborate on it if needed period.
actiondan I also think is town cause of the way they reacted to being pushed day 1 and their general read based - present and anlytic posts.
ydresse is also I think is town with the claimy stuff and the way they dropped it day 2 and how you and catgirl pushed it at start of day 2, didnt feel partnered at all.
So i think scums are you and catgirl, raven > sunflower> action dan - ydresses > enchant in that order is my reads currently. with you being at 99.9999% scum and catgirl following it close enough.
I agree with this more than the counterargument of asking why mafia would play this way; sometimes they slip up and have to keep going with something.In post 2193, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: the ulterior motive was to answer a question that was being repeatedly asked of them in 4 pages and they made a tactical mistake on it to declare they had a hidden motive for going with catgirl as their choice. so they felt the need to make one and it made no sense, so they changed it and it still made no sense and they kept working on it to make a full story that makes a bit of sense.
They would have to have one head thinking it was a roleblock, and the other head thinking it was a protective, and for both heads to agree to target the same person. That seems like a huge disconnect, and not really realistic.In post 2199, Sunflower wrote: idk maybe im dumb and they should be obvious but i don't really see major contradictions that aren't explained by
1) the two heads having differing perspectives on things
2) them not being exactly sure whether they think their role would be protective or role blocking or neither and it more just being a vague theory
DunnIn post 2187, Von Payne wrote:Again, neither of us took into account that having a hidden role would be bastard(and therefore next to impossible), so how can we ask the mod for clarification on something that doesn't exist in our role PM??In post 2182, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: My main reason for scum reading them before them going full obv scum in those three pages, was the bit where black said they want aureal on night 2 neighborized. while they were porttrayiong having aureal as their second town read, there was no need to make such announcement if they didnt have any ulterior motive/didnt think they need to set the game state and tone for it
The whole bit they had about town reading aureal, the read they made and that part mentioning it was scummy.
Now they are just blown out obvscum for that pack of contraditions.
It was N1 that I had the thought that they might be a protective role, which I made a post in the Hood alluding to, and I had the town read on Aureal and we pretty much decided that she would be our N2 target for the hood.
After the start of D2 my town read on Aureal was challenged by pretty clear evidence that she was scum, and also around that time Black was thinking we might be more role stopping or jail keeping, which I believe was when we jokingly but not jokingly talked about targeting Chipotle for the hood
Black wasn't really around and Aureal was close to being limmed so I chose Prism as our target, but changed it to Chipotle basically last minute since Prism said they would be barely active at night(if there is anything big to criticize it would be this, I was more focused on having someone active).
Black also wasn't as sure as Chipotle being town as me so she thought if they were scum it could potentially her role blocking theory
This is how it all went down, there were some pivots that we made, but no real contradictions. Again you are just finding maybe some hydra dissonance and/or both heads responding to questions at the same time without talking about things as 'contradictions'.
And again, in what scum world where we.....with another buddy btw, would we play like this?
And I just alluded to it, I was being snarky asking about who our buddy would be......but I also want all your cards out on the table so if we are mislimmed you can't just say all 'oopsies, my bad everyone....no one's perfect right?'
We didn't change our story. This whole thing could have been avoided if I had mentioned our protective theory at the same time I brought up the roleblocking theory. I didn't think to mention it because I was providing reasons why I wanted to recruit CatgirlIn post 2289, Silver Ravens wrote: I'm inclined to side with Kyoko Kirigiri, I do feel that Von Payne has been changing what they are arguing based on what other people have asked them.
I agree with this more than the counterargument of asking why mafia would play this way; sometimes they slip up and have to keep going with something.In post 2193, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: the ulterior motive was to answer a question that was being repeatedly asked of them in 4 pages and they made a tactical mistake on it to declare they had a hidden motive for going with catgirl as their choice. so they felt the need to make one and it made no sense, so they changed it and it still made no sense and they kept working on it to make a full story that makes a bit of sense.
This was Drew's first post in the exchange. He even brings up the protective theory here because that was the dominant theory in the PT. The roleblocking thing was so miniscule comparatively and was talked about over the span of like 3 posts much later in the PTIn post 1971, Von Payne wrote:In post 1963, Catgirl Chipotle wrote: I need Von to explain because do youthinkyou have some of hidden action? If so, why?
Or are you just saying youdohave that power?
How long have you been thinking this? Since game start? N1? etc.
Because if either of these were the case why would you do it on two slots you've openly said you TR? Why would you block there? I'm confused.In post 1964, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: They just explained that as the hidden reason why they chose you in night 2.Nothing in our role PM said we have this ability, it has just been a working theory that Black am I have shared my based of the flavor and theme of the game(and popped into my head after randomly thinking about nightmare on elm street lol).In post 1966, Silver Ravens wrote: Von Payne, what makes you think your role would prevent the bad dreamers from acting at night? Surely your role tells you what it does, is there some confusion?
Bad dreams can't get you if you are awake at night
We don't know how kooky of a theory it is, but that is where our headspace is at
Inb4 'still should have hooded Prism them'....which is fair, but wanted someone active(and I have thought we are more protective while Black is more we prevent bad dreams night actions)
We both thought it was protective when Drew first proposed it on the 14th. The roleblocking theory popped into my head on the 20th when I got pinged by Prism saying he didn't want to be recruited. It seems like a dumb thought now that I know none of this is possible but it's a legit thought I hadIn post 2290, Silver Ravens wrote:They would have to have one head thinking it was a roleblock, and the other head thinking it was a protective, and for both heads to agree to target the same person. That seems like a huge disconnect, and not really realistic.In post 2199, Sunflower wrote: idk maybe im dumb and they should be obvious but i don't really see major contradictions that aren't explained by
1) the two heads having differing perspectives on things
2) them not being exactly sure whether they think their role would be protective or role blocking or neither and it more just being a vague theory
