open 914: the coalition

[Moros]

HEAL: implosion

[implosion]

Going to take a gamble and say that Umlaut is likely to be town.

Why do you consider this a gamble?

[May]

I realized just now I could make a witty comment about how you could put me in your pocket, but I didn't think to do that when I made my first post, unfortunately.

I'm pressing the e key (pickup key in MapleStory)

god I hope that's wrong because if I actually remember the pickup key from that game still

[May]

And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.

This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEAL: s are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.

This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on the

exact

same coalition.

I'm reading this whole post in the voice of Mercy Overwatch

[May]

And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.

This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEALs are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.

This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on the

exact

same coalition.

Yikes, I’ll see myself out. I

also

misunderstood the setup, since I didn’t really read it in detail; I assumed we were making coalitions first and then voting on several different coalitions. I guess they’re similar, through.

Every setup is more fun and has healthier day play if you just ignore mech as much as possible and solve alignments and do the mech stuff last minute

[implosion]

mech is the spice of life

[May]

I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition

[May]

Actually

HEAL: Tsawwassen

It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.

Does this mean the moon logic was scummy but the about-face is towny? I would think it's neutral and towny

[Aventurine]

Going to take a gamble and say that Umlaut is likely to be town.

Why do you consider this a gamble?

I don’t. It’s just that the character thus account is themed after has a gambling addiction so I want to make as make as many references to gambling as possible

[Aventurine]

(He doesn’t actually) (it’s debatable)

[Cutter B]

hello! did you wait for me? I'm going to reread the whole thread 4 more times to come up with points with my gut, intuition, experience or whatever i have, like you guys. No, a three more times if necessary. It's not easy, is it? 7 townies, 2 mafia goons and an 11 days long coalition phase. I wonder why 11 days. Does it take that long normally to come up with an agreement?

[implosion]

mafiascum is pretty dramatically slow paced a lot of the time, yeah. Depends a lot on the game, the players, etc, but there are definitely plenty of games that use all their time. Also lots of games that peter out and then people drag their feet, so it's good to be vigilant that things are actually still happening. That said, the coalition phase in this setup is very high pressure since a significant amount of the time town wins this setup, it'll be in the coalition phase, and it only ends when 5 people agree on an exact coalition. So it usually lasts most to all of the deadline.

[implosion]

I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition

Why is this pertinent? I wouldn't describe you as hyperposting in this game. Just that you think Black-town should have some latent skepticism that you're capable of carrying a game as scum? If so, do you think Black-scum would be less likely to express that skepticism?

[implosion]

Meh, mech talk. I nommed myself because I'm town and I want to nom people who are town.

I won't nominate people who nominate themselves

Weird. (Looks like you backed out of this quickly though)

i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themself

Okay, Bertrand.

Actually

HEAL: Tsawwassen

It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.

@Tsawwassen

, do you have previous Mafia experience?

I'm a little bit tempted to significantly townread this sequence. The fact that there's 3 posts and the spacing of their timing I think points to town who saw something weird, then realized they felt it was not scummy, and then thought a bit more on it and realized that it might depend on previous experience level. I think it's a bit less likely to come from scum since Umlaut would have to manually decide to take both the step to make the second post, and the step to make the third post. Maybe way over-reading into things but curious if anyone sees what I'm seeing.

[ceejayvinoya]

HEAL: implosion
HEAL: Cutter B

[Tsawwassen]

hello! did you wait for me? I'm going to reread the whole thread 4 more times to come up with points with my gut, intuition, experience or whatever i have, like you guys. No, a three more times if necessary. It's not easy, is it? 7 townies, 2 mafia goons and an 11 days long coalition phase. I wonder why 11 days. Does it take that long normally to come up with an agreement?

Eagerly awaiting your input!

[May]

I think it's town indicative for black to pushback skepticism on my slot, considering I hyperposted last game. Hyperposting town read scum is kind of a loss condition even more so than failition

Why is this pertinent? I wouldn't describe you as hyperposting in this game. Just that you think Black-town should have some latent skepticism that you're capable of carrying a game as scum? If so, do you think Black-scum would be less likely to express that skepticism?

I'm not hyperposting this game yet but the game has been open 8 hours. I say yet but I am pretty sure I will not hyperpost this game. But yet as in, she could still expect I might.

I meant skepticism that I should be townbinned so I think maybe you have points backwards.

If she's scum I think it's probably in her range to emulate but would accomplish less of her goals because you can probably let one or two loud obvtowns develop comfortably in this setup

[May]

Meh, mech talk. I nommed myself because I'm town and I want to nom people who are town.

I won't nominate people who nominate themselves

Weird. (Looks like you backed out of this quickly though)

i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themself

Okay, Bertrand.

Actually

HEAL: Tsawwassen

It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.

@Tsawwassen

, do you have previous Mafia experience?

I'm a little bit tempted to significantly townread this sequence. The fact that there's 3 posts and the spacing of their timing I think points to town who saw something weird, then realized they felt it was not scummy, and then thought a bit more on it and realized that it might depend on previous experience level. I think it's a bit less likely to come from scum since Umlaut would have to manually decide to take both the step to make the second post, and the step to make the third post. Maybe way over-reading into things but curious if anyone sees what I'm seeing.

I initially read the third post as unrelated pure curiosity but as a related followup it does make a c-c-combo multipost tell

[Cutter B]

I think there's a good ‘probability’ that we will find one scum in each group, if we divide us players into grups of least and most posts. So I'm also deciding to pick two players from both groups to add into my coalition.
Or, how about I sort out players who show high potential, so even if the coalition fails, I think they will do a good job figuring out the scum, since making them suspect means putting them under pressure. Well, that means I probably wouldn’t be in that coalition but, isn’t town’s win more important?

[Cutter B]

somebody, whats c-c-combo and townbinning?

[Cutter B]

Scum-reading, town-reading. This must be how pros play.

[Black]

from an objective perspective, i think there is a 72% chance that there's scum in the band. from a subjective perspective, i think it's Black.

Why do you think I'm scum?

[Umlaut]

Actually

HEAL: Tsawwassen

It's a bit moon-logicky but I find the immediate about-face towny.

Does this mean the moon logic was scummy but the about-face is towny? I would think it's neutral and towny

No, I'm calling my own reasoning moon logic (meaning I don't necessarily expect it to be a convincing reason for a tr to anyone else)

[Umlaut]

I like the effort implo is making in reading my posts.

[Tsawwassen]

Scum-reading, town-reading. This must be how pros play.

Are you insulting me, rookie? Calling people pros n shiz