Open 913 - This Game Started as an April Fools' Joke - Night 2

[Doctor Drew]

Anyway this argument isn't going to do much good. Like I said once I get time I'll work on strengthening my reads

Also, to be clear, my vote on you would be most likely vanity

I plan to vote Awesome

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit:

In a CSF is vigged world

[Black]

I'm not trying to use AtE. I'm just pointing out that you've seen shallow play from me before as town. And I've been extremely active and in-depth as scum. It's just not a good read

[Doctor Drew]

I'm not trying to use AtE. I'm just pointing out that you've seen shallow play from me before as town. And I've been extremely active and in-depth as scum. It's just not a good read

I don't think I am being clear enough about what I am saying.

Yes you are capable of switching it up for either alignment, but there is one key element missing that I have seen in your town game as of late that is completely gone from your game here. Nothing to do with your activity here.

[Black]

As of late? What is the key element?

[Doctor Drew]

As of late? What is the key element?

Well......this right here tbh

I stated as much, when you are town you kinda do what I do.....poke and prod and ask questions when something seems off or doesn't make logical sense to you.

Your iso contains little to none of this.

[Black]

Spoiler: poking and proding

Yes it is but how did you reach that conclusion

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

Do you agree with Daisy?

there's enough people who have not posted much yet that i think we will end up eliminating one of them. i am okay with doing that. i prefer whoever towntells the least between now and the end of day among black ranger, titus, light_ganski, and imaginality

Why am I in this group?

i was not aware that it's time for me to stop joking okayge

Are you implying that your Titus vote was a joke

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

Do you agree with Daisy?

yes

Why would you lie here then

I mean you can't vote but you clearly expressed suspicion of Titus and are now walking that back

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

hmm. is there a reason i get townread for confusedposting but titus gets a 'vote'?

yes there is

Can you explain what this was about

i think it feels like people are reaching to make a case on ming.

Who would you like to vote for?

i think it feels like people are reaching to make a case on ming.

Who would you like to vote for?

imaginality

why

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

i don't know. he says things and they make sense to me and i believe them. i just do.

This feels so weird to me and I can't figure out why

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

i don't know. he says things and they make sense to me and i believe them. i just do.

Make sense as in you agree, or make sense as in you understand what's being said and think that makes him town?

the second is more accurate. i don't think me understanding him makes him town, though. it just makes me think the reasons people are pushing him are bad. i think he's town because it feels like scum are taking advantage of the push.

I'm really confused how you're not seeing his play as scummy. What exactly is townie about ming?

i don't think i'm happy with this gamestate

What are you doing to change that?

I can play the game if you guys would stop making stupid attacks against me

what are your reads rn?

it seems like cee was trying to shade me there and i don't like it

Cee can you remind me what your read on ming is

i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly

why doesn't it make sense?

it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving

ofc the alternative explanation would be that black always intended to move off of ming if possible, and black ranger was the easiest target when she couldn't get enough traction on morose

I need to think about this

I voted Black because I didn't like the move from Awesome to BR, but I am also was a bit conflicted and was maybe gonna switch to Awesome......but also didn't seem like that was gonna happen

I think I am actually talking myself back to Black here heh

Why didn't you like me moving to BR?

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

This feels like Drew is trying to position himself to fade me regardless of Ming's alignment

Ok, why is Daisy really trying hard to clear you if Ming is town then?

I'm not sure really. What does this have to do with you thinking I'm scum regardless of Ming's alignment?

Cause right now what I see is I push you as scum in the ming scum world, you decide I'm likely scum, then I go on to talk at length with Drew about how I think you're town in a town ming world, and now you've eased off. It feels like your push on me is motivated by my read on you and not on my general play, so clarification would be appreciated.

What push? All I did was theorize you as a CSF partners. You seem overly concerned with how I'm reading you

I don't really know what you want from me

[experience]

catching up

[Black]

maybe i should doublecheck who everybody said they voted.

only 4 people confirmed they actually ended up voting br, by my count (oopsie, light, csf, thomith).
2 confirmed voting for ming (me and halfasleep).
and 1 for black (drew).
that leaves 4 people, not including br, unaccounted for (elements, ming, black, imag).

Why didn't this go anywhere

[Black]

I guess what I'm asking is if you actually thought this information was useful then why didn't you make sure everyone was accounted for? You just kinda dropped it

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler: poking and proding

Yes it is but how did you reach that conclusion

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

Do you agree with Daisy?

there's enough people who have not posted much yet that i think we will end up eliminating one of them. i am okay with doing that. i prefer whoever towntells the least between now and the end of day among black ranger, titus, light_ganski, and imaginality

Why am I in this group?

i was not aware that it's time for me to stop joking okayge

Are you implying that your Titus vote was a joke

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

Do you agree with Daisy?

yes

Why would you lie here then

I mean you can't vote but you clearly expressed suspicion of Titus and are now walking that back

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

hmm. is there a reason i get townread for confusedposting but titus gets a 'vote'?

yes there is

Can you explain what this was about

i think it feels like people are reaching to make a case on ming.

Who would you like to vote for?

i think it feels like people are reaching to make a case on ming.

Who would you like to vote for?

imaginality

why

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

i don't know. he says things and they make sense to me and i believe them. i just do.

This feels so weird to me and I can't figure out why

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

i don't know. he says things and they make sense to me and i believe them. i just do.

Make sense as in you agree, or make sense as in you understand what's being said and think that makes him town?

the second is more accurate. i don't think me understanding him makes him town, though. it just makes me think the reasons people are pushing him are bad. i think he's town because it feels like scum are taking advantage of the push.

I'm really confused how you're not seeing his play as scummy. What exactly is townie about ming?

i don't think i'm happy with this gamestate

What are you doing to change that?

I can play the game if you guys would stop making stupid attacks against me

what are your reads rn?

it seems like cee was trying to shade me there and i don't like it

Cee can you remind me what your read on ming is

i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly

why doesn't it make sense?

it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving

ofc the alternative explanation would be that black always intended to move off of ming if possible, and black ranger was the easiest target when she couldn't get enough traction on morose

I need to think about this

I voted Black because I didn't like the move from Awesome to BR, but I am also was a bit conflicted and was maybe gonna switch to Awesome......but also didn't seem like that was gonna happen

I think I am actually talking myself back to Black here heh

Why didn't you like me moving to BR?

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

This feels like Drew is trying to position himself to fade me regardless of Ming's alignment

Ok, why is Daisy really trying hard to clear you if Ming is town then?

I'm not sure really. What does this have to do with you thinking I'm scum regardless of Ming's alignment?

Cause right now what I see is I push you as scum in the ming scum world, you decide I'm likely scum, then I go on to talk at length with Drew about how I think you're town in a town ming world, and now you've eased off. It feels like your push on me is motivated by my read on you and not on my general play, so clarification would be appreciated.

What push? All I did was theorize you as a CSF partners. You seem overly concerned with how I'm reading you

I don't really know what you want from me

Annnnddd we come back to the surface level thing lol

You just wanted me to explicit state why I think you are scum so you could make this post didn't you?

But thank you for contradicting yourself for me.......you are arguing so much to make me look bad that you didn't even notice it......

[Black]

Whatever dude. I'm sorry my content isn't deep enough for you

While you're tunnelled on me I'm gonna go try to solve the game

[Black]

you are arguing so much to make me look bad

that you didn't even notice it......

I think your read is bad but I think town!you is more likely to make it

[Doctor Drew]

Whatever dude. I'm sorry my content isn't deep enough for you

While you're tunnelled on me

I'm gonna go try to solve the game

Why start now?

[experience]

I guess what I'm asking is if you actually thought this information was useful then why didn't you make sure everyone was accounted for? You just kinda dropped it

i was hoping people would notice by themselves but i think only imag ever did and everybody else just ignored it.

[experience]

tho really, i've been busy and ended up sidetracked.

[experience]

so it is on me for not pushing harder on it.

[experience]

so i accept responsibility for it.

[Black]

catching up

Well?

I voted for BR btw

[OopsieDaisy]

oh yea halfasleep exists, add her to the drew/experience group of people i should look at if ming is town (and maybe just look at regardless)

ama

im late but hi

any potentional teams you see in the game right now?

[OopsieDaisy]

you are arguing so much to make me look bad

that you didn't even notice it......

I think your read is bad but I think town!you is more likely to make it

I know you know Drew better than me but I don't think it's impossible for scum!Drew to make this read on you. I remember at the time Drew's comments initially felt like he was trying to keep the poe as open as possible for town if Ming were to flip town (as I'd only named 3 people that I wanted to look at if that flip happens).

I didn't say at the time cause I'd rather have good faith discussion than just like, saying directly that Drew could just be acting in his own interests, but no-one's said anything for a while so it's at least a point of discussion (plus like, I think Drew's points weren't obviously bad or anything, I can v much see his perspective if he's town and just believes you're scum).

[Alianna]

halfasleep is being prodded.

[halfasleep]

oh yea halfasleep exists, add her to the drew/experience group of people i should look at if ming is town (and maybe just look at regardless)

ama

im late but hi

any potentional teams you see in the game right now?

i'm just gonna take it as read for now that csf is scum. if ming flips red i'm kinda the opposite of you in that that would put my attention on the most passive night 1 players. i say this because after a little bit of (potentially) RVS theater at 69 and 103, csf goes on to make a pretty half-hearted effort at best to move things away from ming and says as little as possible on the subject. i think as scum if a partner is getting correctly pushed early in the game you're likely to be pretty gunshy about being seen either bussing or defending them. i think the third partner in a csf/ming team would've stayed away entirely.

if ming is town, you'd probably be top of my list tbh. i think town!ming potentially makes a good point at 358. the use of noncommital language while being a driving force behind the ming push and the 'lying' narrative is pretty questionable. same goes for you possibly laying the groundwork for the next mislim at 636 and 641 if you already know ming is town. once i'm looking at you with scumread goggles on i'm starting to think a daisy/elements team could be plausible based on your night 1 interactions. i think there's a fairly unnatural progression from the bickering over spurious/jokey scumreads on each other to mutually townbinning and moving on. smacks of theatre to me.

[Black]

I know you know Drew better than me but I don't think it's impossible for scum!Drew to make this read on you

I don't think it's impossible either. I just think it's more likely to come from town!him

[experience]

catching up

Well?

I voted for BR btw

i see.
now we just need elements and ming.