open 914: the coalition

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Spoiler:

vote count 1.1 !

coalition votes:

Umlaut:

Umlaut, May, Tsawwassen, implosion, Black

ceejayvinoya:

Moros, ceejayvinoya, implosion, Cutter B

May:

Black, Moros, May, implosion

Tsawwassen:

May, Umlaut, ceejayvinoya

Moros:

implosion, May

implosion:

Moros

Cutter B:

(none)

Black:

(none)

Aventurine:

(none)

execution votes:

(these have no effect until after the coalition phase is over, but i'll keep track of them)

not voting (9):

Cutter B, Black, Aventurine, ceejayvinoya, Moros, May, Tsawwassen, implosion, Umlaut

with 9 alive, it takes 5 of the same vote to propose a coalition. the coalition phase ends in (expired on 2024-05-07 07:07:25).

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[Black]

I guess I care less about the scumread knowing I don't have to be in the coalition to win but I still care about it and I want to make sure it's a valid read

[Black]

I can kinda see where people are coming from with Umlaut

[May]

I don't know how to read that votecount but I'm mostly probably going to do all my serious I mean it votes at the end anyway

[Black]

Not sure if you're being serious but it looks like it's counting everyone's coalition votes. Umlaut is the only one with 5 selections so he's in his own little section

[May]

HEAL: Black

[Black]

Thanks but you were already voting for me

[May]

This increase your gun's output by 1.5 but it's kind of useless if you're not a hitscan dps

[Umlaut]

Umlaut do think Black is town that needs to be defended or do you just not want to let Moros cook.
If you white knight Black do you become a Black knight?
It's scummy to me because I think it's kind of generally irrelevant to the gist of Moros's sentiments and scum are usually exclusively interested in being technically correct

What?

I didn't get what Moros was saying they were accusing Black of playing the same dumb tell twice and I literally didn't see the first time when I went looking for it. When they pointed out the post in question I said that I didn't think that was really what was going on the first time, because I didn't. I'm just trying to play the game by saying what I think of things.

I was also sort of quietly giving Black an opportunity to mess up if she was scum by acting like her earlier post

was

based on a misunderstanding of the setup, but I didn't seriously expect even scum!Black to make such a mistake so it doesn't mean much that she didn't take the bait. Still lean town but no more so than I already did.

[implosion]

Will I eventually get lynched for being useless?

Friendly heads-up: we avoid the word "lynch" on this site, most people use "eliminate" or "lim" for short instead.

I guess one piece of advice is to look alive - if you're afraid of being perceived as useless, then be unafraid to throw opinions out there. If you're open about your opinions, you're unlikely to be perceived as useless. If you have trouble coming up with opinions that you feel have a solid foundation, try working with other players to analyze things and see if you can come to some kind of consensus.

from an objective perspective, i think there is a 72% chance that there's scum in the band. from a subjective perspective, i think it's Black.

Why do you think I'm scum?

i think you have felt the most like you want people to townread you.

Do you, Moros, want people to townread you? Or is it more like, you think Black is trying too hard?

[implosion]

Okay. Umlaut is

hard

town. 125 is a townpost. The sort of audacity to call it out as what it would be + wanting to claim that there's absolutely no ambiguity to the townslip, comes from town dramatically more often. Scum kind of need to leave townslips as ambiguous things. But the even bigger thing to me is the statement about Black's self-respect; I feel like that's an angle scum would come up with to argue from extremely rarely.

Black, is probably town, I think. The townslip isn't actually clearing if she thought it was 5:2 rather than 5:4 (for clarity, the reason it would be clearing is because if she's scum, it'd be clear in her mind that there were 2 scum, but that isn't actually what she was mistaken about). I still think it's town-ish because setup mistakes I think are probably baseline more likely to come from town since scum are talking privately with someone. I also like her offhand post annoyed that no one was finding her as town, I think that's an angle she'd take a bit more often as town than as scum.

[implosion]

Moros's play toward Black is very interesting but I don't really feel all that strongly about it at this particular moment, still digesting it. Maybe I'm not a fan of the comment toward Umlaut but that might just because I think Umlaut is incredibly transparent town.

[implosion]

I feel like I have a better grasp on this game than average for page 7 for me.

[Black]

HEAL: Umlaut
HEAL: implosion

[Black]

while I'm at it

HEAL: Black

[implosion]

Actually, question for Moros: what do you think is Black's scum motivation to bring up the dumbtell again? You say you think she has a motivation, but I don't see why she would go out of her way as scum to lie about the setup misunderstanding, given that it isn't actually mechanically clearing for her even if she did have the misunderstanding. I think it's much simpler to think that she did misunderstand the setup (as town or as scum).

[Black]

I think the "dumbtell" is NAI at best. I could be town doing what I normally do or I could be scum trying to mimic that behavior. Reading me one way or the other on this probably isn't the best way to solve me

[Moros]

I was also sort of quietly giving Black an opportunity to mess up if she was scum by acting like her earlier post

was

based on a misunderstanding of the setup, but I didn't seriously expect even scum!Black to make such a mistake so it doesn't mean much that she didn't take the bait. Still lean town but no more so than I already did.

i don't believe this

[Moros]

Do you, Moros, want people to townread you? Or is it more like, you think Black is trying too hard?

only if i deserve it. yes, at the start.

[Black]

Do you, Moros, want people to townread you? Or is it more like, you think Black is trying too hard?

only if i deserve it. yes, at the start.

Which posts?

[Moros]

Actually, question for Moros: what do you think is Black's scum motivation to bring up the dumbtell again? You say you think she has a motivation, but I don't see why she would go out of her way as scum to lie about the setup misunderstanding, given that it isn't actually mechanically clearing for her even if she did have the misunderstanding. I think it's much simpler to think that she did misunderstand the setup (as town or as scum).

nobody bit on it the first time, so it didn't work. the second time it looked out of place and pushed to be more obvious for getting responses. it didn't feel like something town would say to me, because it felt unnecessary. i don't know if i think that still but i felt that way at the time.

[Moros]

Do you, Moros, want people to townread you? Or is it more like, you think Black is trying too hard?

only if i deserve it. yes, at the start.

Which posts?

the first 7

[Moros]

HURT: implosion

[Moros]

Okay. Umlaut is

hard

town. 125 is a townpost. The sort of audacity to call it out as what it would be + wanting to claim that there's absolutely no ambiguity to the townslip, comes from town dramatically more often. Scum kind of need to leave townslips as ambiguous things. But the even bigger thing to me is the statement about Black's self-respect; I feel like that's an angle scum would come up with to argue from extremely rarely.

i don't think this is true at all. scum who sees a town as you say townslip will know it's a townslip with no ambiguity. town who sees a town townslip will be unsure.

[Black]

Do you, Moros, want people to townread you? Or is it more like, you think Black is trying too hard?

only if i deserve it. yes, at the start.

Which posts?

the first 7

I don't understand how to you got the impression I'm trying too hard to be townread from those posts. Half of them are RVS jokes that I do every game and the others were just me talking about whether we should self vote