Mini 169 - Game Over

[Phoebus]

vote: help im a bug

[Phoebus]

Are you actually implying that you need to stretch because you were up to nothing at night?

That might be a herring as red as your hair!

[Phoebus]

Grudge?

I wonder what The Shadow has got to say to that...
Though I notice he mentions a "habit". This might be all too "convenient" for my cynical self!

[Phoebus]

Lazy lazy!
I don't go to Rome no more. But someone's gotta light up the night!

I see LML is online but lurking!

[Phoebus]

Ofcourse lurking. You rose the moment your name was mentioned, didn't you?

FoS: LML

Tal --> Something I don't know? *runs off*

[Phoebus]

I would never be rude to you honee!

Besides...there's that little matter of the cleaning implement!

[Phoebus]

You couldn't be in more trouble!

And LML, no one except an elite few will understand that. So...if confusion is your aim - do it. But then we all know who seeks confusion in a mafia game, correct?

If I weren't voting for bug, I'd vote you!

[Phoebus]

Finger of Approval?

[Phoebus]

Aww Fuldu!
I haven't played a game in soooooooo long! Surely, I'm allowed *some* leeway? I'm so sober and uptight and all "Hall Monitor" elsewhere. When will you see my fun side???

And the bug is digging and digging and digging a hole...

[Phoebus]

Simulpost!

That's rather interesting Shadow! Maybe you *do* know.
I'm almos tempted to vote for her now. But I wanna stay clear of the broom...

And oh bug...you're returning the second vote favour to the extent of giving Fuldu a second vote? Just OMGUS? Practice what you preach. No?

[Phoebus]

Haha. No to both questions and I have never quite gone this crazy.
So don't even roll eyes. Be mildy amused and mildly irritated and enjoy my sobriety now.

Ménage à trois? Blame them!

Come on, come on
Turn a little faster
Come on, come on
The world will follow after
Come on, come on
Because everybody's after love

Come on, come on
Jump a little higher
Come on, come on
If you feel a little lighter
Come on, come on
We were once
Upon a time in love

Come on, come on
Spin a little tighter
Come on, come on
And the world's a little brighter
Come on, come on
Just get yourself inside her

Love... I'm in love

Go a little crazy dude!

[Phoebus]

Returning the favor does indeed mean doing what has been done to me. I don't see where you're getting anything hypocritical from what I'm saying: I'm all for putting multiple votes on people early. It gets reactions from people and makes the game go faster.

*nod*
Acceptable. I suppose one could say the reaction you gave was a twitchy OMGUS. What're you on a tin roof for?

Make the game go faster?
You're a good target as any, eh?

Honestly, Phoebus, when I look at what you've posted, all I see is someone who would prefer to lynch a newbie than one of his friends, so you put a random vote on me early and are now trying to back it up by misinterpreting my words.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha!
Btw...you are misinterpreting and/or twisting

my

words now.
Random?

Seriously, did you really need to double-post to say that I'm "digging and digging and digging a hole" with my, what, two posts at that point, and to accuse me of nonexistent hypocrisy? You're either intentionally misinterpreting my words or lazy, neither of which is a particularly welcome townie attribute.

Well, I double posted primarily to respond to The Shadow. The hole comment aimed at you was supposed to go in the earlier post. I forgot and I couldn't edit, eh?
Nonexistant hypocrisy? Perhaps. Perhaps it's the existance of something else.

Wow. Aspersions on my townieness right off the bat eh?
What a

subtle

way of deflecting from your own alignment.

No - "that wouldn't help

us

" as townies are apt to say.
"Townie attribute"? No mention of your own inclinations? I find people loathe to lying in the game. This is how they make up for that. Subliminally!

Two things:
Define a "townie"
How am I being lazy? Pray tell...

Oh and

intentionally misinterpreting

? There's no such thing really. That would only happen if I'm a townie so convinced that you're scum that I might see a tell in everything. I think.

Intentionally misrepresenting

? That is what I would do as scum.

So, in your own words, what am I?

Some people occasionally have a life outside of mafiascum.

Wha??
Lies!!

[Phoebus]

A townie (and I have no idea if you have any abilities or not) looking for an easy lynch of a newbie.

Now I think it's time to be insulted.
You think I'd be that careless as a townie?
I'm sorry. No.
You can go check for previous precedence. I'm not shy about proclaiming my bandwagons for being what they are.
But I've been told by people to be "thick skinned" and as such, I'm not insulted. Oh but I'm ticked off!

I do, however, find it amusing that the best you can do is hint at nebulous "something else"s and subliminal messages.

Well, the best I can do is play by my gut and it's served me fairly well in recent times. No reason to change strategy. That's what I'm doing here.
I'm not below apologising to people I was wrong about, but at this time, I think you're scum. You have agreed to role claim. You never deny being scum. Perhaps you are not technically scum but an SK. Maybe you have a "safe claim". There are a myriad of possibilities.

I'm going by my gut and by your strategy, we might as well pile votes on you.
Frankly, I'm inclined to call you lazy for being so smug and/or laid back about letting a bandwagon build up and subsequently role claim. Why don't you try and find scum if you're not it?

[Phoebus]

Or...we could just lynch bug (Can we have a vote count please?) and have Sapphire put the last vote on him, along with the name of her result.

This way, any potential vigis can take a potshot at them (unless bug wants to claim vigi, on which my opinion would be that he's expendable. ) and we can find out about bug, about whom a lot of people are suspicious and since we've gotten ahead with a "free" night as far as information gathering is concerned, we have an extra lynch (bug)

In any case, unless Sapphire is being totally careless about gender, though her comments indicate otherwise, her use of "him" with reference to her target takes away three possibilities including herself.

If she's missed it, Nanook has pointed out LML as being suspicious and if it were bug, she would probably have just voted for him rather than make a point about someone else.

Anyone wanna go in for no lynch? (Please save me the "OMG! You must be scum for suggesting no lynch" spiel. If you're so firm in that belief, vote me. Don't care tuppence.)

OR do we take the "tested" path of lynching her target w/ knowledge of sanity and then have a possible vig take a pot shot at the bug? He must be squashed, infinitely wise as he may be.

And nanook - well, given sapphire's other actions, I doubt her vote is other than random. A way to get on the "board".
Time will tell.

I'm all for no lynching and more information or lynching bug as an expendable lynch, given the free night. He's not claiming cop. So well, he might as well go.

Someone get Dmi posting in here. Lurker!

[Phoebus]

I stand corrected then!
Usually, when someone is pinged by a cop, the vote may not be random or may be "explained" rather than just random voted.

What do you have to say Lee?

And bug? Any reason you should not be vigi-d?

I'd rather lynch bug over Lee and save him for tomorrow. Hopefully, we can lynch Lee and determine Saphire's sanity all in one stroke with another potential innocent lined up by her.

[Phoebus]

Simulpost extravaganza.

Sapphire:
You don't need to be lynched if Lee's innocent but you will definitely need to be looked closely at.
In the event that lee *is* guilty, I suggest pinging someone else than bug. With no night kill and a scum lynch day one, bug is still expendable.

If he *is* Sk, the mafia or if there is one, the vig could probably make our job easier by offing him and it's just a wasted investigation. Also, stressing on the good luck start, he's still expendible and highly scummy - a good lynch for tomorrow.

if Lee is not guilty, well...it's gonna get tight but unless this is a brilliant Lepton, I doubt you'd die.
Unfortunately, at this stage of your mafia career, I would not give you enough credit for a Lepton just yet. But like I said in my last post, I could well stand corrected again...

unvote: bug, vote: LML

Please claim miller or something for my amusement.

Fuldu:

I

did

have a small change of heart, as you can see by this post.

Why is it a good idea?

Just for the fact that we would be playing somewhat "different" than what is usually done and change is refreshing.

Why it's feasible is because:
A) We have no deaths
B) Thus we have an extra expendable lynch than usually available to a town.
C) bug has made himself scummy enough to warrant lynching on his own behaviour, forget cop results.
D) It'd be like having an ace up our sleeves.

D1) Lynch bug and get scum (good chance, given his behaviour.)
D2) We know about Lee for tomorrow. (evil as of now, as per Sapphire)
D3) Sapphire's death or lack thereof, could give us a good indication to her own alignment/sanity, in which, either we figure out if she isn't paranoid. She's not naive. Sane or insane are the only possibilities if she's not paranoid. If she gets a "good" result tonight, we are lynching lee nonetheless. If Lee turns out to be good, we lynch her "good" result and also determine her sanity.
So she either gives us an innocent or scum based on lee's lynching tomorrow. Good or otherwise.

That was slightly rambly but I hope I can be understood. Feel free to yell for more clarifications.

I might just unvote and re vote bug but I'll wait for more thoughts.
Not good form to do that in the same post, what?

[Phoebus]

Nanook:

Read latest post.
Some point about jeep's articles. Yeah. But you're you. Sapphire's new. (rhyme!)

How am I so sure about bug?
Gut. Only. And like I said earlier, it's served me well before. I too refer to jeep's articles ya know.

I can't be sure about a vig but I can hope. Eh? Only virtue in Pandora's box, yada yada. But given his scuminess, which a number of people have agreed upon, he's not a bad target, what?
And like I said, reasons somewhat clear to me, as to why he should be lynched, are in my last post. Or a "strategy" if you will.

LML:

You should probably give your guilty result.
I wouldn't doubt Stewie's inclinations to putting in multicops in this game.
You're on the backfoot given you're claiming second but maybe Stewie's having some fun like I did in minvi 5? Possible, né?

Atleast, this (potentially) keeps scum in a quandry about whom to kill, if you're not it.

If you're both on the same team. Wow! Chances are, you're not.
So with two targets, one lives tomorrow and we judge for ourselves, who was what.

This makes it even better to go after bug in my opinion. If both of this guys are cops, let the scum handle them. We go after bug who seems scummy through actions than night choice results.

If sapphire dies, her role should make it clear whether or not to lynch lee.
If lee dies, then we could determine about his target tomorrow morning.
If neither dies, we have good indications of scuminess/sanity or sense of sanity of the survivor nonetheless.

Even a possible cop chain could be useful to the town.

Anybody else wanna come forward as cop?

Preview comment:

Upper hand?
No such thing now.
With potential multiple cops and two guilty results, one of you is scum or the actual scum have their hands full and we get atleast one cop surviving till tomorrow.

[Phoebus]

Good that a double post is broken!
Whee! I love the current pace of this game!

Random observations:

nanook: interesting to note you're keeping an eye on the voting numbers. +1 scuminess to you.

LML: Glass is half full? Sapphire does not become scum? Especially after her claiming that anyone counter claiming would be scum?

Obvious

that there are multiple sanities?

Hmm.

Well, I'll stop posting for a while. Some big-ish posts from me in the middle there.
Please respond y'all.

[Phoebus]

I'm not averse to lynching Dmi.
I have a feeling he might be one who flies under the radar as scum.
Perhaps I'll troll through some of his other games to get a perspective. I've skimmed some and that's my feeling.

Anyone have experience with him?

With two guilties, I'm all for lynching alternates. And if it's not bugscum, it might as well be dmlurker

[Phoebus]

Problem with this possibly being that the cop protects the one that is scum and/or vice versa.

what???

I pay more attention when I'm town rather then mafia, because I like to see people get a last word in so to speak.

Only your word for it. Precedence says otherwise.
I'm me and I like the mod to do his work hon-ee! (more rhyme!)

I'd rather take care of our pseudo cop situation now
<<snip>>
Like I said earlier, If it can be drawn out for me and there is enough support then I am all ears.

Read my posts properly f00! I even numbered them for j00 (whee!)

Have you even thought about the possibilities of the setup? I mean our mod is stewie don't forget, and the front post doesn't mention anything about there possibly being a doc save. All it says is that mafia is unhappy, well big woop there. I've started to think that there may be a cult in this game. With the way the opening post is worded it only sounds like on group to me anyways.

Yes. The mod's Stewie. What does that indicate to you?
To me, multiple cops are a possibility, as are vigis. So, I'd rather let both cops live and figure out their sanity via more investigation/their death than us make scum's job easier.

Btw...Mafia would be unhappy only if they were thwarted. Correct?
Where does it say doc was unsuccessful? Something along the lines of "low activity night" (if you must read into the scene) to indicate there was no kill attempt rather than a thwarted one.

What about the OP says cult to you?

To add on your last post there Phoebus, DMI lurked in Duckburg mafia and when he was called out for it, he was mafia.

That's where my feelings about his style of play stem from.

[Phoebus]

Fuldu:

Not averse to lynching LML.
But just, the possibilities dictate more to me that bug is a good lynch (call me obsessed) or Dmi for lurking or pressuring him, given his act in Duckburg.

Preview comment:
Thanks for not making me double post Quail.

[Phoebus]

I just think that the more we press the issue we will just end up with a mass claim, which will pretty much just brings us right back to LML

Or preferably, bug, from whom the spotlight has shifted ever since people started obsessing about people's results than scummy actions.
Have you seen him offer any opinion since the pressure has been off him?

Like I said earlier. Let's:

• Lynch bug.
  
• Go to night.
  
• Wait for kills.
  
• One of the two, or both cops will be alive. Their results can point us more clearly towards their sanities.
  
• We lynch either one of them based on deaths or lack thereof and further results
• or Dmi who is both, a lurker and identified "guilty" by a cop.
  If he's lurking/away, let him do his thing at night. Who knows? Maybe he'll be inactive and fail to do anything nefarious.

unvote: LML, vote: help im a bug

Sapphire:
You need to start thinking for yourself than following others.
Read my posts.
Also, it would be highly unlikely that ALL cops are ineffective and I'd be surprised if someone who has been around enough, like Stewie has, did that.

Speak up Fuldu.
I have since explained why I think it's a fair idea to go after bug. post after post with numbers and bullets and what not. What do you think?

[Phoebus]

But don't you think that we have essentially a "free day" to handle someone who acts scummy, rather than fingered scummy?

Evidence against bug is empirical. That against the guilty parties is not terribly so (yet)
So I still say, we squash bug and deal with cop thingamajigs tomorrow.

[Phoebus]

Don't you think we'd know more in case one of them died and his role was revealed?
And also, the nature of their results after two nights?

I highly doubt both being paranoid. Someone's gotta get an "innocent" on night 2 unless they're both insane but that's too close to minvi5 and I don't see that happening.

[Phoebus]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

So,
In the first place, you admit in your own words that I'm a townie.
Now you say you're going to visit and that I'm scum?
Your sole intention to visit, is to prove I'm scum?
Wasting an "investigation"?

If this isn't in the works, this is a really cool idea for an obscure role.

Have a mafia lackey hide with someone and get him killed. Some sort of spy who can be used to frame someone.
*notes down*

I don't die if the person I'm hiding with is murdered. Apparently I'm better at hiding in their house than in my own.

This is so convenient, that it's jarring.
Personally, the only time I use the word "apaprently" to explain any aspect of my role is when I'm fabricating up stuff. Random barb at the mod or something like this.

Also, I'm highly sceptical about Stewie using potentially "un-night killable" roles.
Don't ask me why but it just is that way.

Plus, you think scum will let you live now if you indeed die if you hide with them and survive even if your host is murdered? You just have to announce your target before each night and finger innocents. That's game breaking.

Vote stays.

[Phoebus]

No one can prove my innocence? It's easy enough to do. We have multiple cop claims; surely one of them is willing.

Why would they waste all their energies focussing on you?

Even better, perhaps: if we have a vig, please try to kill me tonight. If I'm lying, I'll die. If I'm not, I'll live.

Why waste that either? Better chance of there not being one and you saying "woohoo! I'm alive"
What if he's a one shot? He's spent? Again, I'm taking Stewie slightly for granted here but I don't see a multi-vig possible in his games. These are all presumptions.
Otherwise, you potentially unmask a vig, multi or otherwise by this request.

Now, Phoebus, why I'm hiding with you: it's true, I didn't think you were scum. Now I do. Your insistence on ignoring cop claims, and attempt to divert attention away from Dmi, has pushed you up on my scumdar.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahha!

I must commend you. I've never been this amused in a game before, not even with the cop chain in minvi - that was mere chuckling. This was mirthful and that's the third time you've made me do that. Kudos!

It is also now obvious to me that you have not bothered to read my posts, despite the numbering, lettering and bulletting in them.
Skim as scum, I say.
Oh look! Nanook thinks Dmi might have been gone. Look! He's voting you!
He's not diverting. I am!
If you bother to go back some posts of mine, you will see I have no problems lynching Dmi but prefer you because: (pay attention now)

• He's inattentive and probably gone. Any evil intentions and choices he may have are gone with him.
  
• He'll prolly be replaced and possibly a good idea to hear from another person who's been pegged as guilty than lynching them without a word.
  
• You've been acting scummy throughout.
  
• You'd rather go after a potential innocent with a potentially insane cop than take a shot for the town.
  
• If we lynch you, the potential "guilty" Dmi, if LML is sane, is still around and we get more clues for the town with second results from both, LML and Sapphire.
  
• We lynch Dmi tomorrow.
  
• Your role is too convenient and potentially game breaking.
  
• The lucky game start makes one lynch expendable i.e. you

kthxbye.

Preview comment:

Quail,
It just feels nice to get back into the swing of things after a break and it's vacation! So....

[Phoebus]

You, of all people should realise that the role is potentially game breaking?

Bug could announce who he's hiding with.
If both alive the next day, we have a bunch of confirmed innocents.

If the intended target is not scum, mafia will simply kill them.
I'm sure docs will have better things to do than protect bug's targets.

And while the mafia would rather find cops and docs over killing innocents with whom bug is hiding, he is so potentially dangerous to them that it's unfair to them.
Granted, he may only off one of them if he dies, his collection of innocents until that occurs could be huge.

And with two cops claimed, both with guilty, either one of them will die tonight.
A cop dying will tell us his sanity - and thus confirm someone's role.
If they survive and no one is killed, it tells us they are genuine.
Whichever or both survive, we hear their results and figure out their sanities and work from there.

I don't like the fact that you'd go after a possible dropout who can't defend himself over iffy cop results than work on an expendable lynch of a person you've found behaving oddly earlier.

Please don't come back and say: fooled you! later.

[Phoebus]

There's a 50/50ish chance of doc intervention and, frankly, if I were scum I would consider avoiding them both in the hopes of finding the doc

And thus, their announcing their results tomorrow should give us a good indicator of their sanities, no?

Fine then. I have no real problem with lynching Dmi on basis of the cop result if that is what you MUST do but I'd prefer he be replaced than lynched willy nilly.
Maybe he can say something that would be more believable than bug, ergo possibly incriminating LML?

*shrug*

I will only be voting dmi off as the last vote. Until he builds up to six, my vote will still rest on bug. Let it be noted I prefer him today over anyone else and Dmi for tomorrow's lynch.

[Phoebus]

Well,
Things seem to be falling in place somewhat.

As far as symmetry goes, this game seems to be arranging itself in pairs.

There are already two claimed cops and someone suggested two doctors.
Now we have two hiders.

At this point, I'd believe them all. Especially since there are two hiders, no reason to disbelieve two cops and two insane cops has been done before.

Potentially, we have a huge pool of innocents to draw from, even if we have managed to get them through convulated methods.

At this point, rather than throwing votes back and forth between the vocal players who seem to fall into the design of symmetry, I'd suggest branching out and going for those quiet or no lynch - to see if there is a pair of scum as well.

I'm highly sceptical that there *are* two killers for there were no kills, and Stewie mentioned only mafia and not killers - which he would do if there was an SK. Unless there are two mafia groups, collectively disappointed. Which would seem to indicate towards two docs.

At this point in time, I would like to hear from Shadow and Tally.

Now, it would seem that a whole bunch of townies are making fools of themselves, tearing each other's hair out (me included) and the scum could just take it easy for the time being.

Bug - your scuminess? Gut + empirical in the sense you acted visibly scummy.

The hider combination becoming like a non-killable cocoon is disturbing but it seems to fall in place with two cops.

Would asking a potential vig to come forward be prudent? Then we could test one or more of the possibilities by using them.

unvote: bug

[Phoebus]

That's my cue.

vote: Dmi

Bye.

[Phoebus]

*shrug*

Maybe Pinky could do what she wanted.

I file this scenario under "too good to be true".

And since, in your own words, I'm a townie, and no longer pushing to get YOU lynched, go hide with someone else. You have a better chance of finding scum there.

If we don't want to hang Dmi, let's slay the warpdragon for lurking. 2 posts in 175.

[Phoebus]

You prefer him over warpdragon, why?

1 random vote and 1 vote for a claimed cop, pretty sure that he would not be insane/paranoid?

And I'm being called inconsistent here.

[Phoebus]

I actually can unvote. The mod sent me a PM saying he didn't count me as unvoting because my intention was to change my vote, not just to unvote.

Try and read??
It's not that far away from your own post!

Looks like she can vote only once and/or for one person per day, at this time.

[Phoebus]

Though you were prepared to vote a lurker earlier.
Albeit over the result of a "goofy" cop.

Didn't someone once say:

Post or Perish

?

[Phoebus]

Thank you for giving the mafia a target. You're brilliant.

Wait till you see the role revealed first. If dmi is scum, you might be better off with pinky. for it could easily be a fabrication on their part.

If I do die, if it's any help...my suspicions are as follows. From greatest to lowest.

The Shadow -- too quiet
Quailman -- same-ish (some vibes from mini town)
bug
Nanook (neither here nor there - maybe a good cop target. Should both go for him?)
Pinky (will move up if dmi is scum)
SV
LML
Talitha (iffy iffy)
Fuldu

Lurker: warp/maximumum