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[Caboose]

Vote: Mastin

Spamming + self vote + sarcasm about "scumbuddies" = scummy

[Caboose]

As for your reasoning, it's extremely poor, for the simple fact that I'm doing everything in my power to simply make my posts as long as possible. That explains all my actions rather nicely, don't you think? You better, for you'd only earn my suspicions if you di--oh, wait, I already voted you.

For it being only the first page, I don't think my reasoning is poor.
You're cluttering up the thread with your sarcasm about "scumbuddies," creating WIFOM if you flip.

Cause following is easier than leading. That and Mastin looks like he knows what he's about.

Why?

Hmm...bandwagon...
I'm not sure if I like this, or dislike it... :/

You ask for a wagon, you get it, and then you don't like it?

I have suspicions of Dust, Amished, Devestation, and Nanook.

There. Happy?

Please

summarize

why you have them.

I don't get why everyone is saying that Mastin is unreadable.

Also, I don't get the Zu suspicion.

IMHO, everyone getting worked up about mastin's posts (including Mastin) are scummy and/or trying to appear overly townie (by this, I don't mean trying to feign being town, just trying too hard to prove it). Discuss.

WTF is this supposed to mean?
This looks like chainsaw defense to me.

My vote was completely serious and it stays for now.

[Caboose]

No, we're trying to make a 26 player game playable. And I appreciate Mastin trying to pare it down a little. I don't mind long posts at all if they're written in such a way as I can follow it, and there's a reason for it being long.

I think it is time for some of our missing players to assert themselves though. RedCoyote, King, hewitt, ryan2754, killa seven, Knight of Cydonia, Empking’s Alt, Tarhalindur, Caboose, orangepenguin all need to read and tell us what they're thinking.

unvote

vote: hewitt

for lurking.

Mod: You might be aware King has not posted anywhere since April 3rd

Why did you single hewitt out?

[Caboose]

How is calling everyone voting for Mastin scummy not chainsaw defense?

[Caboose]

How is calling everyone voting for Mastin scummy not chainsaw defense?

You generalize, sir.

How?

IMHO, everyone getting worked up about mastin's posts (

including Mastin

) are scummy and/or trying to appear overly townie (by this, I don't mean trying to feign being town, just trying too hard to prove it). Discuss.

The bolded part doesn't change anything. This post is still a blanket accusation to anyone voting Mastin and it discourages anyone else from voting Mastin.

[Caboose]

Chainsaw Defense

What is your problem, caboose?

This isn't personal.

I said people getting worked up about mastin's posts, which includes him, are scummy and/or trying to appear too town.

Mind backing this statement up?

This does not prevent anyone from voting him.

No, but this prevents anyone who doesn't want to be called scummy from voting him.

How is it chainsaw if I included Mastin in the group of scummy/trying to appear too town?

That still doesn't explain why you called everyone voting Mastin scummy.

[Caboose]

You're cluttering up the thread with your sarcasm about "scumbuddies," creating WIFOM if you flip.

This statement is scummy in so many ways, it isn't funny.
1: Stating what I was doing was wifom, when we were still in the RVS.

What does that have to do with anything. WIFOM is WIFOM

2: Stating that I will be the lynch, a "flip".

No. An NK or a lynch is a flip.

3: You are stating that I would flip scum.

Hypothetically, yes. That's why your statement is scummy. It fits with you as scum.

You ask for a wagon, you get it, and then you don't like it?

Let's respond by quoting myself and bolding/underlining important parts!

I'm not sure

if

I like this

, or dislike it... :/

Yay for blatantly ignoring over half the sentence!

So, where's the uncertainty coming from? The sentence implies that part of you doesn't like the sentence.

Caboose, Devestation, Amished, zu_Faul, Dust
Our scum.

Way to OMGUS.

Please summarize why you have them.

I've done so over pages.

That's not a summary.

I'll put 'em together, for your convenience, Cabooscum.

That's cute.

I don't get why everyone is saying that Mastin is unreadable.

Because they're never going to read me correctly, that's why.

Why do you think that is?

Also, I don't get the Zu suspicion.

Read.

I did. I didn't read anything suspicious.

This looks like chainsaw defense to me.

Pointing out that everyone who was addressing my posting, including myself, is chainsaw defense...HOW?

Nice strawman. I'm saying that the blanket accusation is scummy because it achieves the effect of painting everyone on your wagon as scummy and discourages further votes.

Also, I made this mistake in Newbie 742.
Ace, why don't you tell Caboose about the fine print paragraph in the Chainsaw Defense?

With all due respect to Tar, my experience is that this tell is pretty accurate.

You know, the fact that it requires for a player to be both dead AND confirmed scum? Yea, that one.

No

My vote was completely serious and it stays for now.

Your vote...on page one...in what was the RVS...was completely serious...

Yes

You know, I'd believe you if you said it was a joke (like most RVS votes), but is now serious.
Nope, not buying it now.

I don't like really long RVSs. I saw a serious reason. It might not be the strongest, but it's strong enough to pursue.

How is calling everyone voting for Mastin scummy not chainsaw defense?

How many ways can I say you're wrong? Let's see...
1: Ace was saying reacting--not voting.

Reacting/voting/FoSing/expressing suspicion, you're mincing words at this point

2: He also included myself.

So what?

So, what, is he chainsaw defensing against me to defend me? Yea, right.
3: Chainsaw defense requires for the player to be dead, and more importantly,

No it doesn't.

4: It requires for that player to flip scum.

No it doesn't.

I could go on all day.

Don't

You should know better, as an experienced player.

Know better than what? To call you down on something?

[Caboose]

Not in the RVS it is. Anyone who uses RVS supposed wifom as evidence in their case deserves a rather quick death.

If everyone used that logic, we would never leave the RVS.

Which means I'd be the nk, or a lynch.
The first, only scum would know,
The second, far too premature to determine it.

Are you seriously trying to make the arguement that I'm scum because I'm saying that you might get lynched or NKed in this game?

Of course. I like the votes on Dust. I'm not sure I like the fact that they were bandwagoning without reasoning. Simple logic, my friend.

Why didn't you say so before?

They're OMGUS'ing me, actually. I point out suspicions of them, they vote me.

No, I'm talking about you OMGUSing me.

Because any who read me as scum are always wrong.

And this means...

Ace said ANY interacting with me.
That includes myself,
Those defending me,
Those attacking/voting me,
etc.

It STILL achieves the effect of no one wanting to touch you with a ten foot pole.

Not in my eye.
You gave a BS'd reason, and when forced to defend it, you go off to the wiki on outdated tells which don't even apply.

Let's go back to the original post.

Spamming + self vote + sarcasm about "scumbuddies" = scummy

Don't think I used the wiki for any of these.

1: To quote outdated wiki tells as scum tells,
2: To use them in suspicions, when former scum-tells have become null-tells,
3: To use them as your primary argument against people,
4: To vote off of such bad reasoning,

No, it's not the best reasoning.
But, since you like to excuse yourself saying it's the RVS, why don't you do the same for me?

[Caboose]

I don't.

[Caboose]

Also, I don't really think that Caboose is scummy, he just seems like he is getting frustrated with Mastin. I think your efforts, Mastin, would be best concentrated elsewhere, like Dust for example.

Wow.

You can read my mind.

[Caboose]

I am cured of ever wanting to play a game with Mastin again.

[Caboose]

I am cured of ever wanting to play a game with Mastin again.

Sorry, I'm just in a bad mood right now. I didn't really mean that.

Twisting of my words.
I said nothing of the sort about disagreeing being a scum tell.
The fact you were disagreeing about someone attacking Cabooscum, by extent, means you were defending Cabooscum, and THAT is what makes it scummy, for Cabooscum is also one of my top suspects.

This is a really damning arguement.

From an experienced player like Cabooscum, I'd expect it, ESPECIALLY since he claimed that, in his experience, the said scum tell had held true. Implying he knew the article very well.

You're just mad that I accused you in my first post.

Again, I don't see someone with that level of experience who has had it supposedly hold true in the past having made this simple mistake.

No mistake exists.

THEORY:
Annoyance-->Scum tell.

/facepalm

Why is it a problem?

It's a problem because it makes me want to throw my computer out the window.

Get used to it. I'm not changing it.

....whatever.

You calling anyone who speaks out against you scum isn't effective and is not going to help the town in this game.

I hope you realize that.

[Caboose]

Mastin needs to get lynched. Today.

Otherwise, scum are just going to leave him and the lynchee to the endgame, and that won't be good for us.

[Caboose]

The way I see it is that RC is pretty much confirmed town if Mastin isn't lying about his lyncher role. I mean, how many times have you seen a lynchee be anything but pro-town?

Be careful about this.

[Caboose]

Otherwise, scum are just going to leave him and the lynchee to the endgame, and that won't be good for us.

It's called a vig. Unless there's a redirector (Bus Driver), I'm dead tonight. It's as simple as that.

It's called a lynch.

We don't even know if we have a vig. And if we do, I'd rather not tie him/her up with having vig you. Plus, a Mafia Doc could also screw up that plan.

[Caboose]

I think Mastin is lying about his lynchee.

[Caboose]

Mastin is lying about his lynchee, and I think his lynchee is OP.

We need to lynch Mastin today.

[Caboose]

Mastin is lying about his lynchee, and I think his lynchee is OP.

We need to lynch Mastin today.

In fact, I'm not even fully buying the lyncher claim.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mastin was actually an SK, asking to be killed at night when he knows he's NK immune.

[Caboose]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mastin was actually an SK, asking to be killed at night when he knows he's NK immune.

How do you know than an SK would have NK immunity in this game? It's not information that a townie would have. Small slip, perhaps?

IGMEO Caboose

Mastin: That Fos is OMGUS and you know it.

It's not unreasonable to assume an SK has NK immunity, especially in a large game.

[Caboose]

Kill me now, to many posts. From what I read, I am scared of mastin's mathery, and tempted to vote him just to avoid it. That said, I still I want to keep him alive until tomorrow.

Why?

[Caboose]

Nope. =]

Mastin is supposedly a lyncher.

Can you please vote for him now?

[Caboose]

BOLD STATEMENT:

If ANY of the people on my wagon claim ANY of these roles after I'm lynched, lynch them:

Vigilante,

Why? If I were the vig, I wouldn't want to waste my NK on you.

Psychiatrist,

I thought psychiatrists only worked on SKs.

Mason

I'm assuming you mean "mason recruiter"? And if you do mean that, I don't think mason recruiters

make

people town.

Fail.

[Caboose]

Could I please have a link to Dev's claim?

@ Everyone not voting Mastin: Do you believe that Mastin's lynchee is really RC? If so, why?

[Caboose]

Caboose, no. I will not vote for someone unless I think they are scum. Which I don't think Mastin is.

Do you think Mastin is telling the truth about who his lynchee is?

[Caboose]

Mastin is a lyncher and Dev claimed JOAT.

[Caboose]

hewitt, are you seriously buying what Mastin is saying, especially when lying about his lynchee is the only way he can still win?

I don't get why you're defending this.

[Caboose]

hewitt, are you seriously buying what Mastin is saying, especially when lying about his lynchee is the only way he can still win?

I don't get why you're defending this.

No of course I"m not buying who he claims his lynchee is. I don't get why you're being so opportunistic. This whole entire game Caboose, from your very first post has been centered around Mastin, and has not changed since then. About 22/26 of your posts have centered around Mastin. Can you do anything else in this game.

Why is wanting to lynch anti-town opportunistic?

hewitt is scum.

[Caboose]

Mastin is an almost confirmed lyncher, Caboose. (I only have the almost in there due to the possibility of a scum gambit the size of a giant)

@Whoever asked me why I wanted Mastin alive:

1. I think he's being honest.

Why? He has a motive to lie. What motive does he have to be honest?

2. We will have a nice little test of the setup, and the night actions will hopefully be somewhat revealing.

What? What does this have to do with Mastin getting lynched today?

3. There is a chance he'll get recruited

no

, and if this happens

which it won't

, I think we'll have a very useful pro-town player (in both role and name) helping us. Even if his posting habits hurt my eyes.

Mason recruiters don't make people town. Using the possibility of a really exotic role like that as a reason to not lynch someone is incredibly weak.

[Caboose]

As to 3, no, there isn't anything I know that you don't, but there is still a chance that a recruiting mason or a lyncher-psych (don't think they exist, but ya never know) or something else that can fix mastin up. Note the word 'chance'. I don't know that it will happen, but I know that it is possible. Hence, chance.

Well, using that logic, why are we trying to lynch scum at all? There might be a magical role that will turn the scum into town.

[Caboose]

What is there to reply to? People are flooding this thread with unreadable posts and then expect everyone to actually wade through them. I'm just trying to be concise and see people's reaction to important stuff, like the Mastin wagon.

[Caboose]

Let's see how about that I accused you of being unhelpful, not scumhunting,

I "scumhunt" how I wish.
I don't need anyone to tell me how and when to do it.

shamelessly hopping on a wagon without any original opinion,

I'm giving you my opinion. What else do you want?

And let's go to the votecount:

Mastin - 11 (Caboose, zu_Faul, Empking's Alt, orangepenguin, NanooktheWolf, zoraster, King, Phoebus, AceMarksman, StevieT92, Zer0ph34r)

Hmmmm... Looks like I'm the first vote there.
Must've hopped on the non-existant bandwagon.

I'll go back and see if I should be the first vote or if that's a typo.

and not voting for me instead even though you accused me of being scum.

I only have one vote.

[Caboose]

BTW, Azhrei will be getting my vote tomorrow, as he is also scum.

[Caboose]

It's post like that last little one that make me think you're being honest. Note: I didn't bother to read the massiveness.

I personally don't think it changes anything.

I still think Mastin is lying about his lynchee.

[Caboose]

Mod-Edit Votecount 1-33

Mastin - 11

(Caboose, zu_Faul, Empking's Alt, orangepenguin, NanooktheWolf, zoraster, King, Phoebus, AceMarksman, StevieT92, Zer0ph34r)

OrangePenguin - 5

(cateraction, Maturin24, Mastin, Azhrei, Tarhalindur)

Zer0ph34r - 1

(ryan2754)

NanooktheWolf - 1

(Amished)

StevieT92 - 1

(zwetschenwasser)

Phoebus - 1

(RedCoyote)

Caboose - 1

(hewitt)

Not Voting - 6

(alvinz95, White Castle, Dust, killa seven, Devestation, Kise)

With 27 alive, it takes 14 to lynch.

---

Mastin's post scares me very much. I think I may be ready to vote him.

Fencesitting Scum Tell 101

I agree.

[Caboose]

Good question.

[Caboose]

Why was I prodded? I posted on sunday?

[Caboose]

Mod-Edit Votecount 1-39

Mastin - 10

(Caboose, zu_Faul, Empking's Alt, orangepenguin, zoraster, King, Phoebus, AceMarksman, StevieT92, Zer0ph34r)

OrangePenguin - 5

(cateraction, Maturin24, Mastin, Azhrei, Tarhalindur)

Zer0ph34r - 1

(ryan2754)

NanooktheWolf - 1

(Amished)

Tarhalindur - 1

(zwetschenwasser)

Phoebus - 1

(RedCoyote)

Caboose - 1

(hewitt)

AceMarksman - 1

(NanooktheWolf

Not Voting - 6

(alvinz95, White Castle, Dust, killa seven, Devestation, Kise)

With 27 alive, it takes 14 to lynch.

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I can't believe it's taking this long to lynch a virtually confirmed neutral.

[Caboose]

That statement confuses me. He's virtually confirmed anti-town. Anti-town isn't scum, but it's the closest thing to it, and like scum, anti-town need to be lynched.

[Caboose]

Damn. At least one of the mafia goon is dead.

Well, that sucks.

Vote: Zer0ph34r

[Caboose]

Damn. At least one of the mafia goon is dead.

Well, that sucks.

Vote: Zer0ph34r

I was talking about the "well, that sucks" tell, or commenting on the NK as being beneficial to someone.

[Caboose]

Caboose, are you denying the fact that a mafia goon dying is beneficial to the town?

*facepalm*
No. Look at the Day 2+ mafia errors

I like the WIFOM hewitt is creating.

[Caboose]

That you saying "darn" over a bunch of power roles dying and saying that it's good that a goon died is scummy.

[Caboose]

I like the WIFOM hewitt is creating.

What WIFOM? My case on you is all about how you sucked and did absolutely nothing yesterday. It's not WIFOM, it's pointing out solid fact.

With the amount of stuff packed into the posts in this game, is it really any wonder that I try to pick out short, small things instead of try to wade my way through the Mastin-sized posts?

And also, wanting to lynch 3rd party is NOT a scumtell.

[Caboose]

And if you can't handle all the "stuff packed into the posts"...why are you playing?

Because I didn't sign up for a game of "read the novel sized posts."

Also, why are you tunnelling on me, when there are other lurkers out there (Empking)?

[Caboose]

Also, why are you tunnelling on me, when there are other lurkers out there (Empking)?

Because I think you're the scummiest

circular logic

and you don't adequately respond to me.

if you talked to some of these other lurkers, would they?

[Caboose]

Everyone, please direct question at me that are clear and not buried in a mile long post.