Mafia 95 - Quick & Dirty - Game Over!

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Vote: Lamont Cranston

For pulling the wool over the town's eyes in Robot Chicken Mafia. *shakes fist angrily*

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...what the fuck happened while I was gone overnight?

Keeping my vote on Lamont. I'm kinda happy with it for now.

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Also, you still haven't explained your weird comment on page 1.

What weird comment? About Phoebus having a better role than me? Zito, RVS is also = to the joke-vote stage. I gave a silly reason. Don't look too hard into it.

Unvote; Vote: Lamont_Cranston

Spends the whole post responding to Zito, then bandwagons on Lamont with no explanation behind the vote?

Yeah.

Vote Kise

.

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Mod, can you re-check that vote count?

You've got Kise on there twice, for starters.

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Um.
Page 3 random vote, lazarus? Gotta say that's a no no.
Lamont is making joke-ish posts, I don't think that's any reason to lynch.

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I was catching up on my read, then Papa's post 98 completely hit on everything I wanted hit on.
I'm keeping my vote on Kise, but I'd ask everyone who isn't currently voting him to pay

close

attention to his response.

Oh, and

FoS: Xyl

. You bandwagoner you.

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EBWOP: Oh, there's a fifth page...

Kise's real claim is a bit odd to me. Even numbered nights? Okay, maybe... but this could also be a clever claim attempt by him to at least keep himself alive till D3, WHILE ALSO drawing Doc protection (assuming there is a Doc) for N1 & N2 due to his claim. He claimed I have a plain role... his original vote was that someone's role was better than his... etc. etc... and now suddenly he has an even-numbered investigative role?

Nah. Keeping my vote. Not convinced, nor do I think we're going to get another lynch going by 10pm.

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Hmm.

Another week changes things.
Honestly, I really don't like how the claim was pushed so hard, but I also don't like that Kise soft claimed when he didn't need to, then tried to push the blame for that onto Lamont. It's scummy enough for me to keep my vote there. Kise may very well be a townie role, but he's playing like scum.

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Unvote, Vote: Xylth

And why? Here's why!!!!!! /BillyMays

1.

Expressing confusion is scummy.

No.

2.

Something does seem off there

vote: Lamont_Cranston

Votes Lamont based on Kise's "he's acting like a crackhead" argument.

3.

Townies are normally confused at the start of the game, scum are more surprised when they're confused. Good enough tell for a first vote

What? He states that expressing confusion is scummy, then says that townies normally ARE confused? What? What what what what what?

4.

I wanted to kill Lamont

unvote, vote: Kise

My, what a bandwagon. Oh, and the whole reason he wanted to KILL Lamont is because of Kise's "he's acting like a crackhead" post.


Now, let me be clear: I kind of see the logic in what Kise is saying. He claimed a power role, and maybe we should give him the chance to actually prove it instead of auto-lynching just because of some... scummy play. Here, look, it's Xylth: scummy play, and no power role! >.>

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He claimed I have a plain role

He did not claim u have 1, reckon.

Oh. Forgot the quotations. He claimed "I have a plain role". Happy? >.>

Nah. Keeping my vote. Not convinced, nor do I think we're going to get another lynch going by 10pm.

1: This is Reck saying he'll bandwagon,
2: Reck's admitting 2 wanting a quick-lynch.

Yay 4 scumslips!

Erm, no.
1. This is Reck saying I'd rather random lynch on a decent case of being scum than end up with a no lynch on Day 1.
2. Because I thought the deadline was tonight (well, yesterday now) at 10pm, not a week from now at 10pm.

However, I can't deny the logic of your last point. Don't think this means you're off the hook, though.

unvote: Kise
vote: consonantM

Post. I know you want to.

Votes 4 me 4 no other reason other than the fact that i haven't posted, despite it being clear i had not done so in ANY of my games 4 hours, and was clearly not online.

Acceptable in the RVS.

Not acceptable out of it.

It's called a pressure vote, and I see nothing wrong with it. He removed his vote from you as soon as you actually posted.

Reck's sudden flip of opinion seems scummy to me.

Not to mention, how he mentions bandwagoning, despite supporting said bandwagon himself.

Umm... or I chose to not tunnel on Kise and try to expand the horizons. At this point, even if Kise is scum, other scum are probably already on the wagon in order to clear themselves later on. I analyzed Xyl's posts and saw they were scummy, so I posted a case.

Oh, and no defense from Xylth? Probably because everyone's too focused on Kise and he doesn't have to worry. It's cool. Ignore my case. Whatever.

That being said, I will admit that I'm now, upon another re-read, more than happy to put my vote back on Kise. I just don't want to put him at L-1 again before town is ready to finally lynch. I'm also not going to put my vote back on him until my case against Xylth is addressed directly.

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More like pawntagonist after the S5 finale... lawl m i rite

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Brain, engaged.

Still doesn't make any sense. "I'm confused" ZOMG I MUST BE SCUM.

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First of all, I'm not buying what Kise is selling.

I was catching up on my read, then Papa's post 98 completely hit on everything I wanted hit on.
I'm keeping my vote on Kise, but I'd ask everyone who isn't currently voting him to pay

close

attention to his response.

Oh, and

FoS: Xyl

. You bandwagoner you.

Keeping your vote on Kise, but suspecting xyl because he also kept his vote on Kise? Nah, not liking this, either.

Please read this case on Xyl. I didn't vote him for the bandwagon, I just FoSed him. And also, this is why I found his vote on Kise suspicious.

He not only basically copied the post before him and just changed the name, but offers no other case against Kise (see: any of his previous posts). If he wanted to kill Lamont, then why didn't he keep his vote there? Aside from his random vote,

everything

Xylth had said up to that point was regarding Lamont. Then he just hops on the bandwagon.

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It's like he didn't even try to scumhunt.

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@sam: why is the Kise wagon "really awful" when he's absolutely acting the most scummy?

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Okay. I've had enough of this Kise WIFOM.

Vote: Kise

.

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Yes Vigs. Please kill town. Lawl.

I'd hardly call me a problem considering the fact that I hammered the most obvious scum and have done nothing worthy of lynch or kill aside from hammering.

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Vote: Xylth

Because of yesterday. If you don't like it, lynch me. I really don't give a fuck.

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^ I like this case on Izzy.

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I'm liking the InHim vote.

Unvote, Vote: InHimshallibe

I also don't like Xylth's continual ignoring of any votes/suspicion tossed his way. As if he's hoping it'll just disappear, so I'll downgrade that from a vote to a

Fos

.

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Someone else can defend you better than yourself?

Lolololololol

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I'd say inHim today, Izzy tomorrow.

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Totally scummy.
Let's just say that I don't like to rehash old cases on people if it's already been said. If what someone says makes sense logically, I'll voice my agreement.

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Awwwww.... STALL OUT!

I think ConsonantM's post is very odd. He likes the logic used against Izzy, but doesn't endorse pursuing Izzy as a suspect? I don't like the lack of explanation for why something logical wouldn't be the right choice, especially in this game.

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Okay.

Cool.

So because I'd rather not dig through fifteen pages of material just to post a strikingly similar case on someone, I'm scummy. That's fine. But I'm not scum, and I'm keeping my vote where it is.

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I voted for inHim because I thought inHim was more likely scum than Izzy. While the case on Izzy was solid, I still had a gut on inHim. I did an isolated read of both and I thought inHim was a much better lynch.

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Note I was actually the first or second person on the Kise train because I legitimately thought he was scummy, then took my vote off, then voted again. No way was I going to actually let Kise survive the day and let the scum continue the twisted logic and tunneling. Believe it or don't, I don't care.

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inHim and Izzy, IMO.

And I've still got a weird feeling about you, Xylth. But I'll put that aside to deal with my weird feelings about inHim and Izzy first.

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No way there could be just 2 mafia in a 14-player game. Two mafia and a SK, maybe, but three mafia and a SK is more likely. I think four mafia is too many with or without SK.

Actually, it could be two groups of two. Hmm...

If there's two scumgroups (either two mafias or mafia+sk), then either there was a double kill last night or Izzy is scum. Double kill is reasonably likely. Izzy claiming vig as SK, unlikely. Izzy claiming vig as mafioso... I dunno. Kind of a risky play, although not as risky as doing so as SK. I'll think about that.

Not really. We don't know that Zito shot anyone, period. So Izzy could just be fake claiming, since Zito is no longer here to defend whether he shot or not, but I have a good feeling that ZITO shot Lamont, not Izzy.

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Shit, I definitely meant Zito shot BC, not Lamont. My bad.

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Lol wagon.

There's not even a fucking case against me, everyone's just jumping on this ridiculous scum-laden wagon. All I was saying by that is that Izzy isn't in any way shape or form not scum, because with Zito dead and revealed as a one shot vig, it'd be easy for someone else to swoop in and say they vig'd and Zito didn't. I think Zito killed BC because he was so adamantly against him yesterday, and I think Izzy is scum, and scum killed Lamont, so she's claiming to have shot Lamont as a vig.

Someone needs to hammer inHim before the scum pile on me. I don't know if there's all scum on me right now, but I assure you there's at least one. Which makes inHim the best lynch, in my opinion. Xylth is quite the scumbag too for misinterpreting my quote so wrongly and then having that be enough reason for a vote. Ell oh fucking ell.

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SK.

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Okay, inHim has yet to provide an accurate defense of himself and keeps posting. Can someone just hammer him?

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I'm.

Not.

Scum.

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So.

I'm going to be busy tonight and most of the morning tomorrow. I'll try to pop in if I can. Just don't lynch me before I get a chance to respond. I'm at L-2 now.

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I'd really like to urge that the inHim lynch go through. I find his claim odd. Scum roleblocker could easily just claim town roleblocker.

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You want me to claim?

Fine. Whatever.

I'm a town-aligned Roleblocker. Which is why I find inHim's claim so odd, because I don't think there should be TWO town-aligned roleblockers. I roleblocked Xylth last night.

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It's not "too convenient" because it's my role.

What's convenient is that the player who everyone has been sure is scum is suddenly just a roleblocker. My money's on him being a mafia roleblocker.

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And I blocked Xylth because I was super suspicious of him on D1 and though he was scum. If he was SK, I could stop him. If he was a mafia roleblocker or something, maybe I could stop his secondary ability.

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I'm

a

Roleblocker. I just don't see how there could be two one-shot vigs, two town roleblockers, etc. In that case, Dizzy & inHim would be my scum bets.

If OGML made this setup with two of each town role... then that means there's still a town cop out there, and also means that Dizzy/inHim are duplicate roles. But I'm willing to lynch one of those two to figure it out.

Or Xylth. Like I've been saying since yesterday.

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Bizzy claimed to kill LC.
If Zito also shot, that means he killed BC.
Which means we're only dealing with one scum faction.

Assuming we believe Bizzy's claim. I sincerely believe Zito shot and killed BC.

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^ This.

Which is why I'm going to

Unvote

off of inHim because this symmetry thing is really making sense now.

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Given the fact that I'm buying this whole double-claim theory, I'm going to switch back to...

Vote: Xylth

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Lol Xylth. Making decisions for town.

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Um. When I say "everyone" I mean that inHim was at L-1, meaning enough people obviously thought he was scum to put him at that point. When I said I'm "a" roleblocker, I meant that I'm not "the" roleblocker because I do not know enough in-game information to accurately say whether or not there is another roleblocker.

That being said, I'm still not a fan of Xylth. From his "expressing confusion is scummy" statement which I totally didn't agree with, to his quickness to jump with Kise onto the LC vote, to his quick bandwagoning onto Kise with the loophole-esque "I wanted to kill Lamont" statement on Day 1.

He says he doesn't defend himself because he thinks others can defend him better (WTF?), says here that he thinks I'm OMGUS not scummy, votes on Sam, unvotes and hops to lazarus, then flips and votes me, and has overall been trying to push the town towards his direction today.

I'm keeping my vote on him. There are really no cases against me other than "Eh, I believe inHim's claim more than Reck's", and to that I really don't have a defense. I claimed as soon as I thought it was appropriate, never before, and never after. Hence my post where I said "please don't hammer me until I have a chance to defend myself because I may be gone" because I needed to claim before I was killed.

So there.

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lol ignoring my post

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So wait.

You don't think Xyl's gonna catch on even though he has the most votes? WTF?

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Something tells me no lynch is going to happen.

Get to voting, slackers. Immediate FoS on people who are not voting at the deadline.

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Son of a bitch.

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I'd like a vote count so I can see who OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF 'QUICK & DIRTY' MAFIA.

Um,

Epic FoS

on consonantM for voting Laz when it was pretty fuckin obvious that a Laz lynch wasn't happening.

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Good job, Town Vig/SK/whoever killed Rhinox.
And scum obviously killed inHim so that I would look suspicious on D3. I'm still Town Roleblocker. Honestly, I don't know what to think about the Rhinox kill. My gut wants to say Vig, but if PZ was one-shot vig and he's dead, and Izzy used one-shot on N1, then that would imply a serial killer.

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I roleblocked Phoebus last night.

Xylth: Did you mean "inHim's coming up Roleblocker"?

Also, in light of the situation, I'd like to point out that I'm still strong on my feelings regarding Xylth. He was pushing for the me/inHim lynch pretty strongly, in addition to vote-hopping like crazy. However, I'd also like to point out that...

Xylthixlm: 4 (xRECKONERx, Phoebus,

inHimshallibe

, cateraction)
inHimshallibe: 2 (lazarusmoth, Xylthixlm)
xRECKONERx: 1 (

Rhinox

)
Phoebus: 1 (sam.samhorn)
lazarusmoth: 1 (ConsonantM)

Not Voting: 1 (DizzyIzzyB13)

Both inHim and myself (town) and Phoebus/cater were on Xylth at the end of yesterday, while lazarus and Xylth sat on the inHim lynch (even far after inHim had claimed). Rhinox was on me, and look how he flipped. Also, now that we know their roles, I thought I'd go back to the D1 lynch...

Kise: 8 (

inHimshallibe

,

Lamont_Cranston

,

BloodCovenent

, Phoebus, DizzyIzzyB13,

Kise

, lazarusmoth, xRECKONERx)
Xylthixlm: 1 (sam.samhorn)
inHimshallibe: 1 (ConsonantM)
BloodCovenent: 1 (cateraction)
lazarusmoth: 1 (

Papa Zito

)

Not Voting: 2 (

Rhinox

, Xylthixlm)

Need to read over it before drawing any conclusions.

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Hmm. So it would seem lazarus not only sat on the D2 lynch on the claimed Roleblocker, inHim, but on D1 he was also sitting firmly on the town-laden Kise lynch. I don't know what to think of Izzy, but with the two scum factions = two kills and Zito being blocked on D1, I'm inclined the believe the one-shot Vig claim.

That leaves Phoebus, lazarus, and myself sitting on the Kise lynch D1. I know it's not me, and if it's a choice between Phoebus and lazarus, I'm going to go off of lazarus's D2 position and

Vote: lazarus

.

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Also: Encryptor is a mafia role which allows for Day Talk, I think.

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I didn't block Xylth because I thought he was mafia, and I thought if I blocked Phoebus I might be blocking a serial killer.

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@sam: Why the hell is voting laz a bad idea?

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I'm going to go ahead and throw out there that while I feel more secure about a lazarus lynch, a Phoebus lynch would work too. I blocked Phoebus last night so I'd be fine seeing a lynch

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Doesn't mean that her scum buddy didn't kill. All the mafia were still alive last night, meaning even if there were two teams of two mafia, and I blocked one in Phoebus, her partner still made the kill. And now that my roleblocker role is out in the open, I expect to be gone tonight, meaning I won't get a chance to test it out and see who is Rhinox's partner.

Basically, I found Phoebus a wee bit suspicious yesterday (hence my blockage). And now, that I can use process of elimination to find a likely scum, I think lazarus/Phoebus are both decent options.

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I... don't follow.

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To Phoebus:

I never said the idea of having two town-aligned roleblockers was ludicrous. In fact, I even unvoted inHim under the notion that there WERE two town-aligned roleblockers.

It's also my first time ever being a roleblocker of any sort in a game, so excuse me for that. And it would not have mattered if I had blocked a suspected mafia, because MAFIA HAVE TEAMMATES TO KILL FOR THEM. If I had blocked a SK, then HE CAN NOT KILL ALONE.

Your case = fail.

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Um. And how is my SK acts alone = definite block idea "unimpressive"?
Also, Xyl, if you're going to fucking softclaim, just finish it and claim, dammit. Jesus H. Christ.

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But if you think he's just a little scummier than someone else, you shouldn't, because there's role info leaning in his favor.

That's not softclaiming?

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Yeah, I don't think I ever voted Rhinox?

I don't think me blocking Phoebus means he is any less of a likely scum. Your math seems flimsy, especially when you consider the fact that EVEN IF I DID BLOCK PHOEBUS and EVEN IF RHINOX WAS HIS PARTNER, Rhinox was still alive at night and could've still made the kill for his team.

All it takes is another person who isn't roleblocked to make my roleblocking useless.

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Or you could just fucking explain it. Since what I said makes logical since:

Phoebus is scum with Rhinox: Doesn't matter, Rhinox was still alive last night to make the kill.

Phoebus is scum with somebody else: Doesn't matter, the partner is still alive

Phoebus is actually town: Then I stopped a potentially helpful night action

My role info gives NO leniency either way.

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The only thing that changes due to my blocking of Phoebus is that he can't be a SK.

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5 days left. Let's pick a wagon.

How about you?

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Hey cater, while you're posting, how about responding to Xylth's post?

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OGML: When is deadline for D3?

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First off

unvote Phoebus

.

And now, a few questions for...

@sam.samhorn:

Why was Xylth not a valuable player at that point?

Since inHim turned up town, why did you say he was mafia? And you said it again here. And then you voted him here with no real explanation.

You said if inHim wasn't scum, then Xylth is. Still stand by that?

What is the policy lynch you referenced regarding Xyl?

Also, given your most recent vote, would you mind providing some support? It seems to me you've been fightiing XYL tooth-and-nail, not Phoebus.

More to come.

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sam.scumhorn:

Given how many town players wound up on the Kise wagon, this seems like an early attempt to set-up mislynches among the wagoners.

Aside from the things mentioned above, you have consistently done two things successfully in this game:

1) Claim you will analyze the game to come up with "something". Like your vote on inHim, and your unvote on inHim, and when you say lynching laz is a bad idea.

2) Post just enough to get by, while not scumhunting or adding to conversation whatsoever. You especially fail at backing up your claims with logic of any sort. Why was the Kise wagon an awful wagon? How do previous mod setups affect this game at all? Even if laz has no internet access, why does that make him any less likely to be scum?

You've consistently managed to slip under the radar while contributing quite literally nothing to the game. Every vote you have voted this entire game has amounted to a bandwagon vote with no reason or case presented. You've not gone out of your way to hunt anyone - all you've done is comment on irrelevant, "safe" discussion. Until we get some answers...

Vote: sam.samhorn

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Holy crap you're right, Xylth. I can't believe I didn't see it.

496, 552, and 595 are all votes for Phoebus without ever unvoting.
If this isn't sam being scum and just following the town's whims instead of voting for himself, I don't know what is.

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Um... what?
Sam, you're failing hardcore right now. You still have

no reason

you can even fabricate for voting inHim, which to me looks like "Crap, someone saw my bandwagoning" and you're too lazy to fish back that far for support for your vote. I didn't try to pin the blame on you for being wrong, I tried to pressure you as to WHY you voted. "I thought he was mafia" is NOT a valid excuse.

I don't quite understand how Xylth comes across as an "awful" mafia player. I don't think you really think that, either. See: his above post.

Captain Contradiction needs to respond to every point I posted against him in my two posts IN FULL, and needs to respond to Xylth. Not that it matters - pretty sure you're scum, anyway.

And way to finish your post with another "I'll analyze more later". Guess I could add that one to the list.

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Haha, wow. Allow me to retort, sans all angry, douchebaggish overreactionary insults/responses:

No, it was just a terrible bandwagon.

Then how do you respond to the fact that every person who has flipped on that wagon so far has been town, hm? Obvious proof that it wasn't a terrible wagon, Kise just played horribly.

This is a valid criticism, however why it makes me scum I have no idea. I've had little time to sit down and explain in detail my posts, although experienced mafia players should be able to decipher in the post I quoted exactly why I think that person's scum.

So, Mr. "Experienced Mafia Player", do you

really

not understand how someone voting where the most suspicion lies and not backing up their votes with ANY semblance of reasoning is scummy?

I didn't say that...in fact I said the opposite. Reread the post. I don't know how they would.

I meant why even bother with that kind of discussion? This would be part of the "safe" discussion, away from trying to scumhunt, just discussing frivolous game mechanics.

It doesn't make him less likely to be scum. On the same note, it doesn't make him any more likely to be scum, which is what others in this game seemed to be implying.

What "others" "seem" to be implying this? Mind pointing out references so I can be sure you're not just talking out of your ass again?

Everything in the last two quotes I posted is just...not true. Please provide examples.

Okay. I'm about to run to the gym but you bet your ass when I get back I'll provide examples of you not really helping to scumhunt, but instead only popping in to comment when it's safe.

Conveniently you're forgetting here that I'm the first person to vote for Phoebus out of the entire town.

And conveniently you're forgetting that you voted for Phoebus... three times in a row... without ever unvoting. Do you even remember being the first to vote for Phoebus, or did you have to go back and re-read your own posts to familiarize yourself with... yourself?

1) I was the first person to vote for inHim, and the first person to accuse him of being mafia, so any attempts to accuse me of "bandwagoning" fall flat on their face. To answer your question though it was an earlygame vote for bandwagoning and drifting through the town. IIRC I unvoted him because he was just being lazy and apathetic instead of being mafia. Maybe the roleblocker claim helped too.

"Bandwagoning" might not be the word. Not caring who you're voting for and going wherever the most suspicion lies without even bothering to cite examples of the person's scumminess would be a more exact way to put it. And I noted that you didn't unvote immediately after the roleblocker claim, it took you a couple posts. So the roleblocker claim isn't the reason you unvoted him. Otherwise you would've done it in your first post after he claimed.

Oops! Captain Bad Mafia Player doesn't realize that contradiction I just made with Xyl isn't indicative of scuminess. What motivation would scum have to dislike someone so much they would actively pursue a policy lynch on a player for a significant portion of the day? Where have I bandwagoned ever? The good majority of your accusations have been baseless, and outside of not posting lots of words in one post flat out wrong.

The fact that you're trying to pursue a policy lynch on someone instead of actually scumhunting is completely ridiculous and anti-town. You wouldn't care if he was town or scum, you're just trying to policy lynch Xylth. I think Xylth has had moments of scumminess, but nothing compared to you not paying attention to the game whatsoever.

Oh, and you didn't just not post a lot of words in one post. You haven't posted a lot of words... ever. Except for now, when you're covering your own ass.

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Despite my at-odds-ness with Xylth earlier on, I kind of agree. sam.samhorn's quoted post is reeking of evasion. He doesn't think anyone is suspicious enough to throw himself out there... kinda how he's been playing literally the entire game.

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The only relevant posts you posted that had any content were your constant bashing-people-over-the-head with "THE KISE WAGON WAS AWFUL!11!11!" Other than your two posts in the RVS, pretty much your next eight posts are nothing but bandwagon talk... and yet you never analyze said wagon to find the scum, do you?

By the way... who were you talking about in linked post? Because you quote cater talking about inHim, then proceed to tirade about Xylth.

"Safe" posts include: (see? told you I'd come back to it. When I say I'm going to analyze later, I actually DO, unlike you)
Let me look some more.
I'm afraid of lynching the wrong person. (Duh. I mean, how is this a productive post? It's a nothing-post wrapped in some flowery language to make it look like you're contributing.)
Reiterating Xylth's point.
Commenting on the setup symmetry issue.
Hay gaiz letz nawt vote laz k? idk why tho.
Math debate!
Grr I hate Xylth but I'm going to vote Phoebus anyway with no reasoning why!

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I'd like someone other than Xylth & sam to comment on the Xylth & sam issue, because they've been at each other's throats since post one of this game and therefore I'm not going to regard their opinions either way.

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Excuse me -

How can you claim you feel I'm scummy because I haven't made a case against anyone, while sam.samhorn has yet to even vote anyone with a legitimate reason?

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Thanks for continuing an irrelevant thread of discussion.

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It shouldve

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EBWOP stupid iPhone. Nvm I'll post later.

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Problem: I believe there are 3 scum left. With eight people this means we are in a predicament where ALL townies must vote together for scum or else we will enter a NL and risk losing two townies.

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I wouldn't say that my claim is baseless, seeing as how every vote you've posted has lacked reasoning.

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It looks like we are dealing with two killing groups, which is most likely two scum groups of 2. If this is the situation, then not every town member has to be in agreement.

One scum is already dead.

I wouldn't say that my claim is baseless, seeing as how every vote you've posted has lacked reasoning.

It's how he plays dude. However, I don't like how sam used his own meta to defend his actions. I just hate it when people do that.

I don't think saying "I don't give a defense or reasons for my votes; it's my playstyle" is a legitimate excuse.

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@sam:

Yes, I already asked you to expand on why you're voting for Phoebus, so please stop stalling and give an in-depth reason. My suspicions of Phoebus have not subsided, you've just jumped to the foreground.

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@cateraction:

Meh, was attempting to avoid it, as my role isn't a savior by any means.

Roleblocker - blocked Papa Zito Night 1. Thought surely one of he and Lamont were scum.

I don't believe this. Even if he is telling the truth (unlikely) it's still not an enormously useful role. It's too easy a scum claim. I still advocate for his lynch.

I didn't catch this before; but you said even if he was telling the truth about being a RB, you'd still advocate his lynch. How is lynching a town role EVER EVER EVER a good thing?

FoS: Dizzy, Consonant, and Dizzy for not being on one of the two major wagons at deadline.

I think Reckoner is semi-cleared in my mind for voting for Rhinox when there was clearly as decent wagon going on who we now know was a mislynch (inhim).

In light of all this, I would like to

Vote: Dizzy

I didn't see any reasoning behind this vote upon my re-read. Care to elaborate?

I could go for an xylth or laz lynch too. Sam and Reck still read town to me.

The previous day you were pushing hardcore for a lynch on me or inHim. So what changed your mind on me so suddenly?

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Ah, yeah.
Got ya.

Still, did we have any reason not to believe his claim?

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I'm conflicted in voting Phoebus due to both sam and lazarus's placement on the wagon.

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Read:

It's a bandwagon of epic proportions.

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I'd be more down for a laz lynch than a Phoebus lynch, tbqh.

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Unvote, Vote: Phoebus

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Swear to god, someone better hammer Phoebus in the next 7.5 hours.

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Alright, should be the hammer.

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I did block sam.

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Also, that means Rhinox & sam were partners.

LOL @ PEOPLE NOT LISTENING TO MY CASE ON SAM YESTERDAY. L O FUCKING L.

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Wait, no, Phoebus & sam. >.> My bad.

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1. Xylthixlm
4. ConsonantM
9. lazarusmoth
10. xRECKONERx
11. scotmany12
12. cateraction

Great. So it's pretty much me and a bunch of people I've found semiscummy from the game's start. *sigh* We can assume there's only one mafia left. I kind of support scot's idea of No Lynching today. A mafia kill puts us down to 5, we lynch tomorrow, 4, another kill = 3. I'd rather the endgame be 2 town 1 scum instead of 3 town 1 scum.

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We need to have a set of questions everyone should answer in order to 1) gain information after the next night kill, and 2) help me determine who to block next.

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Vote: No Lynch

The least we discuss today the better it is. You guys just have to trust me. I think it would be best for reck to block me but I'm going to leave that decision up to him.

Umm. What?

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To answer the questions:

I most suspect lazarus, I'd say.
I think scotmany is the most town, but that's not saying much.

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And I still don't understand why someone would ask me to block them, but...

Vote: No Lynch

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Oh, gee, you mean, like how I tried very hard to get something going against both Xyl & Laz in previous days?

*sigh*

People, if we're No Lynching for today, DO. IT. QUICK.

Also, the fact that I roleblocked sam and we ended up with only one kill would insinuate that there are only two mafia on each team.

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Um. What? If sam had another Bronx Mafia partner, then they would've successfully completed the kill.

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That's...
odd.

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What if both submit the kill?

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Alright, so, moving along.

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...Bah?

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Holy shit, did I really hit scum every night with my roleblocks?



See? I told you on D1 that Xylth was scum

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Definitely my best game I've played so far. Yay.

<3 OGML modded games.

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Unvote, Vote: Xylth

And why? Here's why!!!!!! /BillyMays

1.

Expressing confusion is scummy.

No.

2.

Something does seem off there

vote: Lamont_Cranston

Votes Lamont based on Kise's "he's acting like a crackhead" argument.

3.

Townies are normally confused at the start of the game, scum are more surprised when they're confused. Good enough tell for a first vote

What? He states that expressing confusion is scummy, then says that townies normally ARE confused? What? What what what what what?

4.

I wanted to kill Lamont

unvote, vote: Kise

My, what a bandwagon. Oh, and the whole reason he wanted to KILL Lamont is because of Kise's "he's acting like a crackhead" post.


Now, let me be clear: I kind of see the logic in what Kise is saying. He claimed a power role, and maybe we should give him the chance to actually prove it instead of auto-lynching just because of some... scummy play. Here, look, it's Xylth: scummy play, and no power role! >.>

=)