Mini 850: Werewolves in the WAMB! - Game Over!

[Toro]

Vote: ConfidAnon

Are YOU the mole?

[Toro]

Okay, had a long shift at work yesterday and then had a party to go to afterwards, I'm now back and will be reading up.

[Toro]

^ Confid's analysis of the lewarcher's 151 I agree with.

And why do you want to just give up on Looker now all of a sudden Lewarcher?

[Toro]

Did you not say we should all try to forget about Looker though?

[Toro]

But seriously, can we please lynch DJ C now? It seems like we can't lynch anybody else, or is that just in poor form? Is it? Is it bad to lynch somebody who's not here (yet, hopefully)?

You're wanting to lynch a guy who was yet to be replaced yet, are you f'ing kidding me?

Also my vote is currently not on anyone JereIC

I'll fix it. Thanks. -- Mod

[Toro]

Toro's Post 196 - You say "yet" like it's inevitable. So far we've had no luck.

I think you just answered your own question, DJC's replacement was inevitable.

[Toro]

unvote

Lewar's Post 253 -

But we

can't

use PMs,

that's the point. Scum can talk to each other without town knowing so I was trying to do the same thing. And my intent wasn't to paint you as scum, but actually to let you know that, despite our initial "flamefest", I was beginning to think that you were town and I could ask you some questions that I wouldn't feel too secure about posting in the thread.

Snow's Post 254 - Why do I get painted as the dumb one? In all my games, I'm always the dumb blonde chick - always. Always stupid, always. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You, indeed, would've been the perfect witch-hunter.

Confid's Post 257 - Well, we kind of are but we're kind of not. We're not in regards to being scum or anything like that, but I thought we were as to how he thinks. He seems like a smart person and I was trying to see if he cared to share some of that smartness with me, but, apparently, he's too afraid of what people think, which is kind of silly to me because he's already defended himself and they've yet to back down, so I can't see how anymore defending is going to help, but that's just me and I'm stupid. ...

And

I don't want to get lynched.

Boling's Post 258 - It was game-related, that which I had initially wanted to say. And if I were lynched, that post would become obsolete because I'm town; therefore, you'd have absolutely nothing to go on except my erratic play (or due to my erratic play, whichever sounds better).

Bolded for emphasis. By WE you mean yourself and Lewarcher? Goodbye hairy.

Unvote (Just In Case)

Vote: Looker

[Toro]

I'm telling ya Looker, with what I bolded sure as hell sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

[Toro]

When you say but

We

can't use pms, it sounds as if you're talking about lewarcher and yourself. And nice try trying to pin this on me Looker.

[Toro]

Just did a reread. Out of everyone, Slepz strikes me as the scummiest.

Vote: Slepz

Mostly gut, but I'll try to explain later. Still not feeling great, but I'll try not to let that stop me.

How can you explain a gut feeling?

Okay, so let's discuss what this means. Either 2 scum groups or 1 scum and an SK. Maybe we have a vig?

I'm thinking vig, for some reason I just doubt there's an SK.

[Toro]

Well, everything points towards Lew, so obviously he is not scum. I expect he has been framed by having the two people he was arguing with the most killed. Therefore, he's either town or really really stupid scum.

Vote: Don_Johnson

I honestly don't get the whole "everything points to Lew, so he can't possibly be scum." Perhaps Lewarcher could be behind one of the kills and he expected this to happen.

[Toro]

hey guys... I have a flu... I prolly won't post much for the next 24 hours.

Hope you feel better, I'm fighting off a bug myself.

[Toro]

My initial reaction when I saw what had happened overnight was that scum had killed ConfidAnon and that Snow had been killed by lewarcher82 who was unexpectedly a vigilante. However, reading his posts since then, I think this theory seems unlikely, and an SK seems more likely. The theory of the roses is interesting, though, and I'd certainly be concerned if lewarcher82 started offering flowers to anyone else.

So you're saying that lewarcher82 isn't the vig, he's the serial killer?

[Toro]

If your question is about the hypothetical vig outing himself, NO.

[Toro]

As for Slepz:

---He's been concerned with speculating about how many scum factions we have, but hasn't done much actual scumhunting. This suggests someone more interested in cross-scum-hunting than scumhunting in general.

Hardly. It's important to know how many scum there are because then we'll know how many mis-lynches we can afford

---He contradicted himself about Looker's bandwagon-jump:

Slepz wrote:

I agree, there didn't seem to be any reason to bail on the bandwagon so quickly. You've got my suspicions, looker.

Slepz wrote:

As for Looker's jumping off of Lowell's bandwagon, it doesn't bother me because the bandwagon didn't seem very serious yet.

I guess I was just feeling two different ways on two different days

---The fact that he thought Looker was a jester suggests mafia over town, as mafia know when someone isn't mafia and the idea of a jester is more likely to come to their heads when they see someone acting over-the-top suspicious---town will just think they're scum.

The idea of jester came to me because he was acting like he wanted to be lynched.

---also, gut (I don't expect this part to convince anyone)

As for the vig claim, there was no reason. It makes me think SK. If you're not NK, I'll be quite suspicious.

So far no one has counter-claimed, so I'm inclined to believe it. Though I hope the mafia doesn't have a roleblocker.

[Toro]

^ this is a scummy post.

Also I now realize the doctor is dead. What a dumbass claim. Fortunately vigs are useless.

Scummy how?

And I wouldn't say that vigs are entirely useless, though I do admit it was stupid to claim at this time.

[Toro]

vigkill: banana

Wait, what?

[Toro]

Oh I see, from my POV I thought he was saying

he'd[/b] vigkill Banana.

[Toro]

I'd certainly be more happy if we could get the lurkers back into the game, so I'd feel okay voting on one of them to try and start to prod them back into the game. But you could call this OMGUS, but the fact that Slepz hypo-claimed me as guilty when I'm not is sort of odd to me, if he's trying to claim cop (like you say in your 367), then he's not the cop, considering my role and the alignment he gave to it. I'd feel comfortable lynching Slepz today.

As for N2 and your vig choice (that is if you're the vig), which I'm sort of iffy on but leaning more towards you are. I'd leave that up for you to decide.

[Toro]

I'm vanilla townie, so lynch away if you must. I still think DJ is a serial killer, though I suppose in the short run that could benefit the town.

unvote

Guilty conscience (sp?) much?

If you claim to be vanilla townie, then why do you say 'lynch away if you must'?

[Toro]

vote: slepz

anyone may suggest vig targets at this time. that's L-1. i'm not going to wait on the lurkers when i can simply shoot them at night.

come on banana, go ahead and hammer your scumbuddy.

/facepalm

Why would you shoot the lurkers,

WHEN YOU KNOW BANANA IS HIS SCUMBUDDY.

[Toro]

Oh yeah,

Vote: Don Johnson

[Toro]

Figure of speech, mmkay then.

Unvote

I don't really, I was just going off of what you said. Do any of us really know if Slepz will flip scum?

[Toro]

Y'got me there.

[Toro]

Like I said before, I'm fine with a Slepz lynch, and after what I posted in 406 I'd be more then happy to hammer, the evidence is all there.

Vote: Slepz

[Toro]

I find it funny that Cirdua has not died and Don Johnson has not made any claim saying that he was blocked or anything of the sort.

And lewarcher I find it strange that you claim that there might be a second doctor. Read up on the thread man.

[Toro]

Watcher.

[Toro]

Watcher.

This should go without saying, but please post your results.

Watched Lowell, no one visited him.

[Toro]

Sorry, I thought we were in Day 2. /smacks self.

Night 1

- RASKOL

- Pretty much just a random shot in the dark with watching him, no one visited him and he went nowhere.

Night 2

- LOWELL

- This one had more reason behind, seeing how he pretty much just lurked around I had a theory that he might just be lurkerscum or possibly, a lurkervig. But...no one came to him and he went nowhere.

[Toro]

So that leaves our 3 possible scummies to be banana, cirdua, or lewarcher.

[Toro]

When I choose a target I'm able to see

who visited them

. I also take it that if they leave their house, I'd be able to see see that. I've had roles like that on other forums, not sure if that's in here.

Once again, it doesn't say that I can see people leave. I'm just guessing that they could...

can you?

[Toro]

When I choose a target I'm able to see

who visited them

. I also take it that if they leave their house, I'd be able to see see that. I've had roles like that on other forums, not sure if that's in here.

But you left it out of your first post. Why?

Once again, it doesn't say that I can see people leave. I'm just guessing that they could...

That would be a really terrible guess. If it doesn't say you can do something, you can't do it. This is really basic, and you've played mafia before.

can you?

What?

Last question---do you seriously expect me to believe that you're a real investigator who forgot how many results he had?

Dude, I stated that I forgot that this game was in Day 3, once again (repeated for emphasis), I GENUINELY FORGOT THAT IT WAS DAY 3, I THOUGHT IT WAS DAY 2.

[Toro]

Wait, looking at the list...where's the Cop?!

[Toro]

Dude, I stated that I forgot that this game was in Day 3, once again (repeated for emphasis), I GENUINELY FORGOT THAT IT WAS DAY 3, I THOUGHT IT WAS DAY 2.

So you forgot that you had watched two people in this game.

And you forgot to mention that you thought you could see where people had gone.

And you forgot that abilities not mentioned in your role pm are not part of your role.

Not buying it. At all.

It's called playing multiple games with the other games having shorter phases (like 48/24hr.)

No I didn't, if Lowell went somewhere don't you think I would've said it?

I'm a watcher in another game (not on this site) and I have that I don't know what'd you call it, perk? Skill?

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Toro]

FoS toro

how do you know raskol's wearing panties?

FoS: Don Johnson!

How can you now!?

[Toro]

FoS toro

how do you know raskol's wearing panties?

FoS: Don Johnson!

How can you now!?

Not*

[Toro]

wait a minute. i am wrong here. if toro only sees who visits players, then their results do not conflict.

If toro only sees who visits players, then he's lying scum and needs to be lynched asap.

'Splain it.

[Toro]

Okay, time to show up.

I am a

cop

.

First off,

FOS toro

. It sounds like he's just making shit up.

'Splain it.

[Toro]

I said I assumed, not knew. Did I not?

FoS: Raskol

[Toro]

I said I assumed, not knew. Did I not?

FoS: Raskol

And before you jump on my ass, no that's not a slip.

[Toro]

Okay, time to show up.

I am a

cop

.

First off,

FOS toro

. It sounds like he's just making shit up.

'Splain it.

The whole "No one visited him, therefore he went nowhere" thing.

Those two things have nothing to do with eachother.

[Toro]

Right. Why did you assume one when your result would have said the other?

I figured that if someone would leave their house at night it would say.

[Toro]

In my opinion, they both look scummy, but if I must choose between them I would rather support a lynch on banana. I just do not like the way he keeps saying "I know I am not scum"... looks like he is always trying to justify his posts.

/nod, not much of a defense.

[Toro]

Banana better be scum.

Vote: Banana 563

[Toro]

let's do this

vote: banana

toro watches lowell.

i shoot somebody. or maybe not.

Wait wait wait, what's the significance of me watching Lowell?

[Toro]

I agree, I couldn't be bothered to find evidence before my accusations. I'm vanilla townie BTW but I don't think I'm going to sway your opinions.

@Don -

If

I come up town please vig Raskol. That is all.

You just confirmed you're scum here banana, bolded for emphasis.

If you were town you'd say, When I come up town.

[Toro]

toro: if lowell is cop, then scum would be stupid not to nk him. therefore you watch and see who targets him.

/facepalm

God I'm really having brainfarts at this game this weekend.

[Toro]

Well Cirdua isn't a powere role, so for me, there's nothing to lose by lynching him - I'm probably gonna get lynched anyway at this rate, and I know I'm town (Yes yes, this is a scummy thing to say and all that) so the worst case scenario is that a townie gets lynched, which is likely to happen anyway. So for me, there's nothing to lose. Except you guys don't know if I'm town or scum. See what I mean?

Logic fail and another point to you being scum, it's lynch-or-lose now I think so we'd lose EVERYTHING if we lynched Cirdua.

[Toro]

Ahh...I love the sweet smell of charring human flesh. Good game.

[Toro]

I honestly thought I was a gone after you picked out the flaws in my argument Raskol. Thankfully you didn't push it any harder.

And I'm still confused, why wouldn't the town have had a cop? I certainly thought that someone would counter-claim Lowell after he claimed.

[Toro]

Fuckin' sigged.