Mini 850: Werewolves in the WAMB! - Game Over!

[lewarcher82]

after 2 posts there is nothing clear, Bolingbroke. I don't see any reason to vote anyone right now: moreover, Snow_Bunny is prolly simply an aggressive player. But since you are starting a chain, which may be interesting, I will try and make the situation as chaotic as possible.

Vote: Bolingbroke

Let us now see the reactions.

[lewarcher82]

strange as it might be, I guess we might soon need votecounts... this is a very aggressive startup... hey, how come no1 votes me??? I feel quite cast aside

[lewarcher82]

strange as it might be, I guess we might soon need votecounts... this is a very aggressive startup... hey, how come no1 votes me??? I feel quite cast aside

Unvote, vote: lewarcher82

I'm a kind person.

Ehi thanks man now I feel way better!!!

@Looker : you divided groups basing on what?

[lewarcher82]

Unvote. Vote: Raskol

you seem to have a pretty good idea about whom you wanna vote... so early... how come?

[lewarcher82]

oh Looker, please, pay attention, let us not start forgettign to unvote. This generates confusion.

[lewarcher82]

Mod: Votecount please

I am a little confused right now.

You betcha -- Mod

[lewarcher82]

Please, don't take my hesitance to believe you as squeamishness. Why exactly should we be bandwagoning at this point?

unvote
vote toro

It's time for your second post of the game, sir.

Hesitance to believe what? That he hadn't posted, or that I gave him three votes? Not exactly controversial points which you need to be careful about

As to why: the RVS just isn't complete without a random bandwagon. It doesn't matter who it's on. It's the best way to start getting info, voting patterns, etc. Basically, a wonderful way to jump-start things.

I swear officer! From Raskol's apartment there were coming some strange wolf-howling sounds. I'm scared!!!!

You're just mad at me because I let you know you're not funny. :p

Also, lying is generally considered bad, even if you're only joking. Just fyi.

Come on, Snow IS funny
Moreover, a little RPG is always welcome. And it is a good strategy to confuse people, btw.

About BW's: I do not see why we would need one. I have been playing several versions of Mafia for 3 years, even if I am new to this site, and I really think daystart BW are unuseful. Be patient and we will find scum. Please, let us not rush, we have still time to hammer.

[lewarcher82]

Be patient and we will find scum. Please, let us not rush, we have still time to hammer.

Who said anything about hammering? Not all bandwagons lead to a lynch, you know.

I kno, but in a 12 people game with possibly 3 scums and a 3rd party killing role, a 3-person BW is theoretically exposed to a scum hammering, since L-0 = 7.

[lewarcher82]

Depends on the way they do it, man. Perhaps they could start the BW, have a couple of people join and then hammer: this could last even 24 hours or more and no1 would notice.

Well, I have seen stuff like that before, thats all...

hope you do not mind if I keep my vote on you.

[lewarcher82]

Boling's Post 41 - I don't know if this is a joke or not or whether it's even important, but I'd like to get it out into the open before it snowballs. The reason I voted cirdua in the post after raskol was because i thought i had already unvoted in my previous post, which is why it caught me by surprise when lew said he was getting confused. Don't know if that clears anything up but I just wanted to at least have put it out there. Anywayz...

Banana's Post 43 - The groups are pointless at this moment. Just talk to whoever you want to talk to and ask whatever questions or imply whatever scumminess. The field is open for you to explore. But while I have you reading, can I ask you a question...?

What's the possibility or, rather, probability of either Toro, ConfidAnon, or DJ C being scum?

I agree: groups are still pointless. I would say that the possibility that DJ C is scum seems quite high to me.

[lewarcher82]

Probability that at least one of

n

people is scum =

n

(1/

s

)

Where

s

= number of scum playing.



I is well good at maths.

Actually the probability is the complementary to 1 of the probability that all the

n

players are not scum. If we are

m

players, and we take a group of

n

, the probability that at least 1 is mafia will be given by:

1-Σ₁ⁿc/(m-i)

where

c

is the number of not scum players. In other words, you take the first and he has c/m probs of being clear, you take the second and he has c/(m-1) probs of being clear and so on.
P+¬P = 1
QED

[lewarcher82]

I used clear as synonym of not scum, for sake of brevity.

make up what?

[lewarcher82]

...and I posted a Σ instead of a Π. My bad. Ok, then:

1-Π₁ⁿc/(m-i)

which closes the question... Sorry banana.

anyway, I am still not joining a bw, and I will not take part in the "groups" strategy. I am keeping my vote right now.

[lewarcher82]

...and I posted a Σ instead of a Π. My bad. Ok, then:

1-Π₁ⁿc/(m-i)

which closes the question... Sorry banana.

anyway, I am still not joining a bw, and I will not take part in the "groups" strategy. I am keeping my vote right now.

terribly sorry, this was wrong again... I am tired tonite...

1-Π₁ⁿ(c-i)/(m-i)

and enough, or u guys r totally justified in lynching me for being boring

[lewarcher82]

fine, I am right, ban is wrong, and now let's go back to the game.

yes, banana is voting me out of kindness...

Looker, why are you voting DJC, someone who is not even here? what if he is a power role and does not kno it yet? He cannot even react, since he does not exist... I assume we better wait: he is being replaced.

[lewarcher82]

Unvote. Vote Slepz.

[lewarcher82]

Depends on the way they do it, man. Perhaps they could start the BW, have a couple of people join and then hammer: this could last even 24 hours or more and no1 would notice.

Well, I have seen stuff like that before, thats all...

hope you do not mind if I keep my vote on you.

The last line of this post bothers me. I might be overanalyzing, but it sounds likeability scum overcompensating for their vote. (i probably didnt say that right, but its kind of hard to verbalize my thought process right now, long day.)

When I overcompensate, I do it better than this.

[lewarcher82]

Moreover, if you think I am scum, you should vote me, Conf.

As for me, I am glad to see that my policy of switching votes lead to an attempted rolefishing. Therefore:

Unvote. Vote Looker.

FoS: Conf

[lewarcher82]

Not only am I going to call bullshit on that post, but I'm going to have to

vote Lewar

for being opportunistic scum. A few votes I can take, but when they start pilin up over shit-ass reasons, that's when I get suspicious.

"Lewar" was sleeping and just turned the computer on... I have not being waiting for the others to vote, if this is what you mean. And your argumentation is pathetic. Answer the question everyone is asking: why did u rolefish? Why among every1 should slepz be a PR?

[lewarcher82]

Post 88 is no answer. I am not scum. If you are not, too, then you are playing poorly. That is all there is to it Looker.

And since I am not a pr, I invite town to decide: if you do not think Looker is playing poorly, please BW me and lynch me. I am leaving my vote on Looker and post only to answer direct questions.

[lewarcher82]

OT

: Looker, I promised I was going to answer only direct questions, but I feel like I am going to answer insults as well. Never ever insult my family or my country again (btw, I am not German). I don't care if you insult and then say "just playing" or "JK". Never ever do it again. Understood?

[lewarcher82]

Snow's Post 100 - You're absolutely right but it's hard to have fun when everytime I try to take a risk and do something, I get called pathetic, scum (which isn't that much of an insult really), or stupid town. I mean, I know I'm not the smartest girl in the bunch but that doesn't mean I appreciate someone calling me names all the time.

Lew's Post 102 - You are out of your frickin' mind if you think you're going to insult somebody and expect nothing back. If that's the kind of person you are and that's the kind of energy you put out into the world, that's

exactly

the kind of energy you're going to get back, so all that trying to sober up and put on a stone face - I don't care. If you don't want nobody saying anything off-the-wall to you, keep your insults to yourself.

ConfidAnon's Post 104 - I know, I know. Insults are bad and it's making me want to avoid the thread, but, I mean, how do you handle stuff like that? Do you be nice even though the other person isn't? Do you apologize even when you didn't start it? I don't know and I really don't want to get into it. I really don't.

But about that question. You act as if coming to an agreement is going to take forever with that word, that "eventually" word.

unvote
vote DJ C

And back to Snow, I'm sorry, dude, but that lame reason is like my only one. As far as I can tell, we haven't found any scum yet, only personality conflicts and that's it, so back to DJ C it is.

Defining an argumentation pathetic is not the same as calling my mother pathetic or insinuating that my nation has something wrong. You can write what I post is stupid, but you cannot call me stupid. This is my policy. Now I really want

the mod to post a reply to all this asking everyone, including me, to quit insulting AND complaining

. This is a game. Could be a clever game if played by clever people. And I am confident we all are.

[lewarcher82]

and besides, I am not voting Looker cuz I think he insulted me, I am voting him cuz I think he is a werewolf.

[lewarcher82]

This is a game. Could be a clever game if played by clever people. And I am confident we all are.

Not me.

Looker did an OMGUS. That's naughty. Tut tut.

Come on, Nannerz, give me a break, everybody's voting for me. I had to pick

sumbody

.

No one said anythink about DJ being a likely power role, you're making that bit up.

Okay, calling me a liar. Lew

did

say that the only reason I was voting DJ C was because he was possibly a power role...deja vu. Maybe because I'm explaining this to everybody repeatedly...or at least it feels that way but whatever.

Here

fine, I am right, ban is wrong, and now let's go back to the game.

yes, banana is voting me out of kindness...

Looker, why are you voting DJC, someone who is not even here? what if he is a power role and does not kno it yet? He cannot even react, since he does not exist... I assume we better wait: he is being replaced.

I get way too much flak. I guess I'm too conspicuous.

Oh my God Looker, do you see the difference between saying:
A) the absent player might be a power role and cannot defend himself;
B) the absent player IS LIKELY to be a power role?

Please man. Please.

[lewarcher82]

Ok ok people stop. I have suggested that we stopped insulting AND complaining. Now I ask the

Mod

for a

Votecount

, and please,

Mod

, could you

create a new post with it

? I don't like to have to count the posts every time to see when you counted. Thx.

[lewarcher82]

Thanks Mod.

Now, I hope the other players agree on the Votecount being posted in a new post. If it is only me, feel free to do it the other way.

Now that the personal fights are definitively over, I will give up my policy of answering only direct question.

Here my considerations about this game.

1) I do not see any scummy behaviour, the only exception being the

possible

rolefishing by Looker.
2) nevertheless, ConfidAnon was distributing FoS (me, Looker: the posts are 76 and 77) and at the same time he is not voting. If he FoS Looker but does not vote him, it is possible they are both mafia.
3) the "mathematical" posts by Banana are formally inaccurate, but it is true that isolating groups will be helpful in the future. I'd say we keep that move for tomorrow.

[lewarcher82]

@Conf: Mod was already called and he asked to stop "the flamefest". I cannot help observing that you did not read very attentively all the posts, except mine.

For what regards the fact that looker may be a scummy town, I agree, but since we all have been talking nonsense for 24 hours, it is hard to say... I still

FoS Conf and Looker

.

But now I would like to read the opinions of all the others, if possible.

[lewarcher82]

Yes, this is true. Thanks for remember me. I almost forgot the Lolwell stuff.

Besides:

1/p/s = s/p

s/p =

probablility that 1 player is scum

n(s/p) = ns/p = n

times the probability that 1 player is scum

this is NOT the probability that at least one of

n

player is scum.

Since the number of scum is finite you need to consider stocastic dependance, hence:

1-Π₁ⁿ(c-1)/(m-i)

But nevertheless, it will be convenient to use your method starting from tomorrow.

[lewarcher82]

Towns lie sometimes, Snow. What you know is just that scums always lie. Which makes your derivation a sample of "fallacia consequentis".

Logic and maths are being severly harmed during this day 1.

I wanna be modkilled.

[lewarcher82]

@confid: I am not eager. Actually, this game is not that exciting. I am not voting you, so what is the matter? If you are not scum, it will become evident sooner or later.

[lewarcher82]

Ok. Good answer. I am not trying to paint anyone as scum, and I am actually almost convinced you are not now (I did a reread). I just want to ask you a few questions.
Keep in mind your post 77:
1) Why didn't you vote Looker if you FoS'ed him?
2) Does the fact that I am strongly supporting Looker's lynch imply that You do not FoS him anymore?

Thx

[lewarcher82]

Ok Looker, I have to admit I cannot read you. You keep acting a strange way. Someone wondered whether you are a jesterplayer... five people are voting you. Last time I posted about your strange behaviour in the game, your reply was:

But...I...

::speechless::

Could you please post a little more words? That would be helpful.

[lewarcher82]

I do not have any preset mental standards. I will read your posts in the other games as soon as I have time, in order to have an idea of your general style. By tonight (GMT + 1) I will either say why I keep voting you or I will simply unvote.

[lewarcher82]

Why does it say "Mafia Scum" under yours?

Ok, enough, JereIC, please, Modkill me.

[lewarcher82]

Why does it say "Mafia Scum" under yours?

Ok, enough, JereIC, please, Modkill me.

May I ask why? If you don't like the game, you can always ask for a replacement.

Sorry, a moment of weakness.

Now, I read some of the posts by Looker in other games. He usually makes jokes, which is ok, and he is not acting differently from the way he normally acts. Also, this would not be the first time he votes someone "so that he wouldn't be forgotten".

I do not know if this is any help. I keep my vote on him because, as long as he keeps posting jokes instead of discussing the game, I have to assume his goal is to confuse town.

I hope I was clear enough. This is my point of view. Sorry if I am wrong.

[lewarcher82]

Voting does not necessarily imply wanting to lynch. You can use votes for pressure as well

This is the very basic of testing reactions. The point is that Looker's strategy of jokes,

if it is a strategy

, is the best way to react to pressure: makes it look as if he didn't care...

ps: I am using "he" because gendre is not specified. I sure hope this is not a gaffe.

[lewarcher82]

You are right Boling. We should try to forget about Looker right now. But the problem is that, since everyone has been speaking only about him (or maths, sorry LoL), it is quite hard to say who is scummy.

Assume Looker is innocent: then prolly some scums are on the BW. But I cannot track down any buddying in the posts so far.

There was a BW before everything happened. It was on Lowell. How about Lowell? How about the people who jumped on Looker after he left the BW? This is also a path, isn't it?

[lewarcher82]

I am surely interested in reading my scumminess in detail.

For what I know, your FoS on me was based on a scummy line in post 75, but from posts 76 and 77 I did not evince that I was your top suspect, as you now say. At that time, you acted as if your top suspect was Looker.

Now you have once again something to say about a last line of a post of mine. The "Sorry if I am wrong" is a consequence of the chaos generated by the "noise" discussed by Boling, not a result of my "scumminess".

I would like to know who else thinks these two sentences of mine make me scummy.

I have no problems in dying now, I am not a power role.

I gave up my FoS on Confid 3 pages ago, and I now think he may be town. I beg you all to take any decision you like, but remember that one between Looker and Lowell is prolly scum (this is the consequence of what I wrote in post 155; notice also that Looker and Confid never collided).

Good Luck and Good night, cuz here it's quite late now (sometimes you think it's scum, and it was just time difference, see post 93).

[lewarcher82]

@toro: I explained what I thought after Boling's clever post.

I am still voting Looker, so your question is pointless. I just said if Looker is inno, prolly Lowell is scum.

Now I am tired, and I really go to bed. Read my post 158, reread the game. And then do what you want. But someone is going to feel very humiliated for having fallen in such an easy trap.

All Confid's posts were directed against me

.

[lewarcher82]

that was my answer to the Looker-noise problem posted by Boling.

Night, for real.

[lewarcher82]

Too bad for me that no one understood what I was saying in my mathematical posts LoL. I did not correct them out of some attempt to look town-sided. I corrected them because they were mistaken (it kind of hurts me to leave something wrong written on the web, especially if there is a signature of mine).

I would like to say this is a well constructed frame, Confid.

In the Looker's threads I read, the game is still running. This is why I tried to cautiously and theoretically consider the option that Looker was innocent. That was enough for you to jump on me. Too bad I didn't even change my vote!

I now see that there are several player who think I am scummy: either Looker's strategy worked, or I made some mistake, probably I posted too much.

Please go on and kill me (I assume we have a myslynch), but

if I am inno, do not assume Looker is innocent too: we are not buddying, I keep my vote on him and he remains my FoS

.

What I wrote about his innocence was an attempt to test different scenario's.

If Confid is town-aligned, he is overconfident in his ability to read my psychology

: I refuse to consider my behaviour scummy. It is a result of Looker chaotic style.

Now please, this day has lasted too long. Go on and lynch me (I assume we have a mislynch). I am bothered by the

little savior attitude of Confid

, and by the fact that I have been framed. I hope you all will be, tomorrow. Please note that, as I said, all, or at least 90% of the posts by him are about me:

he is either scum or playing poorly

.

About the "bold-faced lie": the "noise" was already there before Boling's post, and for the sake of smartness, people, I have been the very one who tried to cope with it and investigate Looker's position. This accusation is nonsense, I did not say "the apology is a consequence of Boling's post". Summing up:

since I was the one who posted more about Looker's behaviour, I am scummy

. Are you guys really THAT fail?

I will answer questions from now on (as long as I do not get too bored or annoyed), without moving my vote from Looker (unless something interesting happens).

[lewarcher82]

O, and final question.

Why are you so suspicious of me?

Because, whatever you did, it is going to work.

And now do not paint me as the one who "jumped on you". Five people voted you, I was the last one only because cuz I live in Germany. In post 156 you stated you understood my vote: now you do not understand it anymore?

I answered the question. I am now 10% pissed. When I reach 100%, I will vote myself and stop posting.

[lewarcher82]

No, I understand the vote, but do you honestly believe I could compose such an intricate web of deceit and insanity in which to entrap you? What you're talking about is some serious shit, dude. I mean, i would've loved to have intended it and have been scum, but, as it stands, it looks like you're giving up for no reason. no one's going to kill you, they're voting me. how did it work? and what

is

it?

No, honestly I do not believe you could. This is no offense: I think you are just a goofy player (I repeat: no offense), not an evil genius. But I was starting to explore different hypothesis (Lowell) and Confid jumped on me.

A very interesting scenario would be the following: Lowell, Confid and perhaps Snow as scum.

I re-read Confid huge setup against me, and I am now 100% pissed. I therefore

Unvote

and

Vote: Lewarcher82

.

I beg all the townies to seriously consider what I have written abou Confid, the silent Lowell and Snow (how does she justify FoSing me and voting Looker?).

[lewarcher82]

Oh, just another thing you may want to consider: has Lowell posted after post 34?

[lewarcher82]

But seriously, can we please lynch DJ C now? It seems like we can't lynch anybody else, or is that just in poor form? Is it? Is it bad to lynch somebody who's not here (yet, hopefully)?

Bad move, whatever you are and from any point of view: now they are definitely thinking I and you are buddying.

[lewarcher82]

ok then we do not give a damn what the communis opinio is. I will ask you something nobody ever asked you: what are your FoS, Looker?

[lewarcher82]

you posed two contraddictory questions, how could I even answer? I am just frustrated by the way this day was, and I see no way to deconstruct Confid's setup against me. I have pointed out who my FoS are now: this is the only coherent scenario I can draw after the mess of pages 3 to 6.

FoS: Snow, Lowell; almost-FoS: Confid

.

Naturally, this scenario is coherent because I know I am town. And the only way I have to persuade you all that I am town is to get lynched. You want me to unvote myself? If I will do, I will probably vote Snow, becaus Looker's posts 178-179-181 almost convinced me he is not scum, after all.

(plus, u hold me a grudge because I deconstructed your mathematical model LoL just kidding)

[lewarcher82]

I explained why I think it is necessary for me to die. Please do not forget my FoS, tho.

If on the other hand anything should suggest me to change my mind, as I told some hours ago I would vote snow.


---------
no.

[1] (s/p)(p-s-1/p-1)(p-s-2/p-2) and so on (your formula would give a 3/4 chance that exactly 1 of 3 players is scum in a p=12 s=3 game. A little too much, huh?)

[2] (s/p)(s-1/p-1)(s-2/p-2)...(1/p-s+1)

[lewarcher82]

@Slepz: I have not panicked. I explained why I am convinced I will be lynched. Call it lack of trust, I think the only way I have to show you what the situation really is is to be lynched. Again, remember my FoS: Snow, Lowell and perhaps Confid.

Moreover, there is hardly a scenario with Confid and Looker on the same team (not impossible, just unlikely).

For future reference: I never do reverse psychology and I never panick.

About answering questions: Confid did not ask me questions, he mounted a case against me, and as I told, 90% of his posts are dedicated to paint me as scum.

[lewarcher82]

ok, then. I will answer point by point to the long post by Confid. Give me fifteen minutes.

[lewarcher82]

It's interesting to see how people react when a little pressure is on them. Anyways, it's time for a post-by-post analysis to see if my thoughts on lewarcher hold up. (started typing at post 164, in case anything gets posted in between this.)

Ehi thanks man now I feel way better!!!

@Looker : you divided groups basing on what?

This is his first post of substance, nothing scummy here, but just saying that I think it makes Looker/lewarcher as partners less likely.

Nothing to say about this. I was just asking a question, as Confid correctly observs.

Unvote. Vote: Raskol

you seem to have a pretty good idea about whom you wanna vote... so early... how come?

Not a bad vote there, nothing wrong with it.

As above, right, although I do not find that vote of mine so brilliant. I was just provoking, but this is part of the game, and Confid correctly understands what I was doing.

oh Looker, please, pay attention, let us not start forgettign to unvote. This generates confusion.

Alright, I know I just said that Looker/lewarcher was unlikely, but I take it back. He's had a lot of one-on-one interaction with looker in thread, and this is only page 2. Snow Bunny's observation was very good.

Actually, my one-on-one interaction with Looker was based on Looker accusing me of jumping on a BW even though I was FoS'ing him before the BW started and I actually voted as soon as I woke up, and later it was based on the fact that Looker insulted my mother and my country. I know that all could be a very smart conspiracy to look enemies, but I would never ask Looker to insult my mother and my country to win town's trust.

Come on, Snow IS funny
Moreover, a little RPG is always welcome. And it is a good strategy to confuse people, btw.

About BW's: I do not see why we would need one. I have been playing several versions of Mafia for 3 years, even if I am new to this site, and I really think daystart BW are unuseful. Be patient and we will find scum. Please, let us not rush, we have still time to hammer.

This post is very odd when compared to his speed jumping on the Looker wagon.

My speed was not speed at all, and I am tired to repeat it. I FoS'ed Looker the night before, I voted him the morning as I woke up. I live in Germany, my timing zone is different. People from the states should look at a map of the world sometimes.

Post 46 - Nothing to comment on.

Depends on the way they do it, man. Perhaps they could start the BW, have a couple of people join and then hammer: this could last even 24 hours or more and no1 would notice.

Well, I have seen stuff like that before, thats all...

hope you do not mind if I keep my vote on you.

I already commented on this, but I'll state it again so the entire case is all here in one post. The last line of this post sounds like scum overcompensating for a vote.

I already answered this, even if Confid ignores my answer. This is no overcompensation. I was actually trying to explain my position about BW's.

Actually the probability is the complementary to 1 of the probability that all the n players are not scum. If we are m players, and we take a group of n, the probability that at least 1 is mafia will be given by:

1-Σ1nc/(m-i)

where c is the number of not scum players. In other words, you take the first and he has c/m probs of being clear, you take the second and he has c/(m-1) probs of being clear and so on.
P+¬P = 1
QED

Noting that math is pointless to discuss in this game, and discussing it distracts from scumhunting. Others are guilty of this too, to be sure, but this analysis is only about lewarcher.

I am a freaking nerd, I work with languages and math, I love this stuff and I posted it. Some people like to post stuff about their taste in music, I like to post about maths. Moreover, I did not start this. It was Banana who posted a wrong formula.

...and I posted a Σ instead of a Π. My bad. Ok, then:

1-Π1nc/(m-i)

which closes the question... Sorry banana.

anyway, I am still not joining a bw, and I will not take part in the "groups" strategy. I am keeping my vote right now.

More math. The little update at the end, telling us that he's staying the same, feels contrived, almost as if he's trying too hard to appear like he's scumhunting, if you understand what I'm saying. (Sometimes stuff makes sense inside my head, but I don't verbalize it right. If that ever happens, tell me, and I'll try to rephrase it.)

Well, as I told, I love maths. Sorry for that. I have no other explanation.

terribly sorry, this was wrong again... I am tired tonite... 1-Π1n(c-i)/(m-i)

and enough, or u guys r totally justified in lynching me for being boring

More math. Note that he said "enough," which I take to mean as he's done with math.

yes, that is what I meant, but I have to admit I posted some more tonight, after Banana decided to answer with formulas to a little joke of mine, a joke I marked using a smiley.

fine, I am right, ban is wrong, and now let's go back to the game.

yes, banana is voting me out of kindness...

Looker, why are you voting DJC, someone who is not even here? what if he is a power role and does not kno it yet? He cannot even react, since he does not exist... I assume we better wait: he is being replaced.

Nothing wrong here.

Unvote. Vote Slepz.

Because this is turning into a wall of text, I'll bold all questions I have.

Why did you vote for Slepz in this post?

We've been out of the rvs for a bit, so an unexplained vote is fishy.

When I overcompensate, I do it better than this.

Posts that contain nothing but wifom and are used to defend oneself are very scummy. This is one of those posts.

No, I am just childish, dandy and immodest. As for the question, I voted Slepz because I was still testing reactions.

Moreover, if you think I am scum, you should vote me, Conf.

As for me, I am glad to see that my policy of switching votes lead to an attempted rolefishing. Therefore:

Unvote. Vote Looker.

FoS: Conf

I don't know why, but this post bugs me. GAH! I hate it when you think somethings wrong, but you don't know what it is. Anways, moving on.

In my opinion, this post bothers you because I FoS you
Tbh, this is the post in which I decided to join the BW on Looker, so I already answer about this choice of mine. It's the timing zone stuff, you know?

"Lewar" was sleeping and just turned the computer on... I have not being waiting for the others to vote, if this is what you mean. And your argumentation is pathetic. Answer the question everyone is asking: why did u rolefish? Why among every1 should slepz be a PR?

Questioning looker, nothing bad here.

Post 88 is no answer. I am not scum. If you are not, too, then you are playing poorly. That is all there is to it Looker.

And since I am not a pr, I invite town to decide: if you do not think Looker is playing poorly, please BW me and lynch me. I am leaving my vote on Looker and post only to answer direct questions.

There are a couple wierd things about this post. One, he unneccessarily tells us that he is not a pr. He had no reason to say this at this point in the game, he was not coming under heavy fire. To me, this looks like scum trying to reinforce the idea that they are town by offering themselves up for a lynch, like he did later on in the post.

I made a mistake. I really thought we had found a scum, Looker, and I claimed townie out of enthusiasm. I have no further justification.

And at the end, he feels compelled to tell us that he's leaving his vote on Looker. It's another pointless update, and feels like scum making sure we know that they are doing the town thing by voting someone scummy. One could also argue further, saying that he could be placing the emphasis on the vote because he is trying to bus Looker, and he wants everyone to know he is voting scum. Overall, this post is really scummy.

Note that at this point I'm getting tired, so I might not sound as smart xD.

Defining an argumentation pathetic is not the same as calling my mother pathetic or insinuating that my nation has something wrong. You can write what I post is stupid, but you cannot call me stupid. This is my policy. Now I really want the mod to post a reply to all this asking everyone, including me, to quit insulting AND complaining. This is a game. Could be a clever game if played by clever people. And I am confident we all are.

Nothing to comment on here.

and besides, I am not voting Looker cuz I think he insulted me, I am voting him cuz I think he is a werewolf.

Again, he emphasizes the fact that he is voting Looker because he thinks he is scum. Townies don't normally feel the need to reiterate over and over again the reasoning for their vote. Scum do.

There was a personal issue going on between me and Looker, this is why I specified why I was voting him.

Oh my God Looker, do you see the difference between saying:
A) the absent player might be a power role and cannot defend himself;
B) the absent player IS LIKELY to be a power role?

Please man. Please.

Nothing wrong here.

Ok ok people stop. I have suggested that we stopped insulting AND complaining. Now I ask the Mod for a Votecount, and please, Mod, could you create a new post with it? I don't like to have to count the posts every time to see when you counted. Thx.

Nothing scummy here, even though I find it mildly amusing that he tells people to stop complaining and includes a complaint in the same post.

Thanks Mod.

Now, I hope the other players agree on the Votecount being posted in a new post. If it is only me, feel free to do it the other way.

Now that the personal fights are definitively over, I will give up my policy of answering only direct question.

Here my considerations about this game.

1) I do not see any scummy behaviour, the only exception being the possible rolefishing by Looker.
2) nevertheless, ConfidAnon was distributing FoS (me, Looker: the posts are 76 and 77) and at the same time he is not voting. If he FoS Looker but does not vote him, it is possible they are both mafia.
3) the "mathematical" posts by Banana are formally inaccurate, but it is true that isolating groups will be helpful in the future. I'd say we keep that move for tomorrow.

Your argument for point 2 is completely valid, but point one kind of bothers me, but it's not something that I can use as evidence because it's personal opinion.

Perhaps my style bothers you. I was just trying to sum up data.

@Conf: Mod was already called and he asked to stop "the flamefest". I cannot help observing that you did not read very attentively all the posts, except mine.

For what regards the fact that looker may be a scummy town, I agree, but since we all have been talking nonsense for 24 hours, it is hard to say... I still FoS Conf and Looker.

But now I would like to read the opinions of all the others, if possible.

We have another reiteration of his stance from five posts ago. I've already explained why I find this scummy, no need to say it again.

I actually had been discussing for a lot of time with Looker about nothing at all, so I do not think this post is scummy at all.

Yes, this is true. Thanks for remember me. I almost forgot the Lolwell stuff.

Besides:
1/p/s = s/p
s/p = probablility that 1 player is scum
n(s/p) = ns/p = n times the probability that 1 player is scum

this is NOT the probability that at least one of n player is scum.

Since the number of scum is finite you need to consider stocastic dependance, hence: 1-Π1n(c-1)/(m-i)

But nevertheless, it will be convenient to use your method starting from tomorrow.

Wait, more math? You implied that you were done with math several posts ago, and now you are helping further a distracting discussion about math? Not good.

Yes, more math, just because Banana insisted on his formula. Why don't you quote the posts I am answering to, as well?

Towns lie sometimes, Snow. What you know is just that scums always lie. Which makes your derivation a sample of "fallacia consequentis".

Logic and maths are being severly harmed during this day 1.

I wanna be modkilled.

Nothing protown or scummy here.

@confid: I am not eager. Actually, this game is not that exciting. I am not voting you, so what is the matter? If you are not scum, it will become evident sooner or later.

There's nothing scummy here, but it irks me. It's like four completely unrelated sentences randomly placed into a post.

They look related to me. I am not eager because I am bored by this phase of the game; since I am just FoSing you, you do not need to worry if you are not scum.

Ok. Good answer. I am not trying to paint anyone as scum, and I am actually almost convinced you are not now (I did a reread). I just want to ask you a few questions.
Keep in mind your post 77:
1) Why didn't you vote Looker if you FoS'ed him?
2) Does the fact that I am strongly supporting Looker's lynch imply that You do not FoS him anymore?

Thx

What exactly led you to change your mind on me?

A feeling. And the fact that you had hardly posted at all, so I could not find anything really scummy. Moreover, you had not started this setup on me, yet. Once you did, I changed my mind again.

Ok Looker, I have to admit I cannot read you. You keep acting a strange way. Someone wondered whether you are a jesterplayer... five people are voting you. Last time I posted about your strange behaviour in the game, your reply was:

QUOTE OMMITTED

Could you please post a little more words? That would be helpful.

The argument could be made that he is subtly helping Looker here, but right now that pairing doesn't seem very likely, and this is about lewarcher anyway.

Yes, I was trying to help Looker because Looker seems unable to help himself and I wanted to know if the BW was right.

Post 146 and 148 I have nothing to comment on.

Sorry, a moment of weakness.

Now, I read some of the posts by Looker in other games. He usually makes jokes, which is ok, and he is not acting differently from the way he normally acts. Also, this would not be the first time he votes someone "so that he wouldn't be forgotten".

I do not know if this is any help. I keep my vote on him because, as long as he keeps posting jokes instead of discussing the game, I have to assume his goal is to confuse town.

I hope I was clear enough. This is my point of view. Sorry if I am wrong.

In the games that you read, what was Looker's alignment?

The games are still running, this is why I did not present this argument as conclusive.

This is the very basic of testing reactions. The point is that Looker's strategy of jokes, if it is a strategy, is the best way to react to pressure: makes it look as if he didn't care...

ps: I am using "he" because gendre is not specified. I sure hope this is not a gaffe.

1. I'm pretty sure she's a she.

2. This posts reinforces the lewarcher/looker idea. You start out saying that Looker's strategy is jokes, and then add a clause making us think you could be wrong. Sounds similar to this: the parentetical is inside lewarcher's thoughts for this example.

"This guy's strategy of jokes (OH WAIT, I SHOULDN'T KNOW THAT IS STRATEGY IS JOKES EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SCUM AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BETTER MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I DONT KNOW), if it is a strategy . . . "

Honestly, I am trying to answer everything, but this sounds kinda mental to me. I was just trying to understand if we were right BWing Looker.

You are right Boling. We should try to forget about Looker right now. But the problem is that, since everyone has been speaking only about him (or maths, sorry LoL), it is quite hard to say who is scummy.

Assume Looker is innocent: then prolly some scums are on the BW. But I cannot track down any buddying in the posts so far.

There was a BW before everything happened. It was on Lowell. How about Lowell? How about the people who jumped on Looker after he left the BW? This is also a path, isn't it?

Saying we should ignore your suspect? This screams that you two are together.

No, this screams that the reasons why we were BWing Looker were probably not valid. This does not imply he is not scum.

I am surely interested in reading my scumminess in detail.

For what I know, your FoS on me was based on a scummy line in post 75, but from posts 76 and 77 I did not evince that I was your top suspect, as you now say. At that time, you acted as if your top suspect was Looker.

Now you have once again something to say about a last line of a post of mine.

The "Sorry if I am wrong" is a consequence of the chaos generated by the "noise" discussed by Boling, not a result of my "scumminess".

I would like to know who else thinks these two sentences of mine make me scummy. I have no problems in dying now, I am not a power role.

I gave up my FoS on Confid 3 pages ago, and I now think he may be town. I beg you all to take any decision you like, but remember that one between Looker and Lowell is prolly scum (this is the consequence of what I wrote in post 155; notice also that Looker and Confid never collided).

Good Luck and Good night, cuz here it's quite late now (sometimes you think it's scum, and it was just time difference, see post 93).

This quote contains a bold-faced lie. Can you find it?

All jokes aside, boling's post came after your apology in 151. Therefore, it could not have been in consequence to boling's post.

I already answered this, but I can repeat my answer: the noise was already there and affecting my posts before Boling mentioned it in his post. This is not a lie. I did not write that my reaction was a reaction to Boling's post.

This is all I have to say for now, because I'm getting tired and I'll start sounding stupid. Tomorrow I'll give you a summary.[/b]

Now I have answered all the questions, I think. I repeat my

FoS: Snow, Lowell, perhaps Confid.

One final note, Confid: all your "I am tired" and "perhaps I am not able to verbalize" can be accused of being an overcompensation, exactly as the sentence of mine you accused of that. Funny, huh?

[lewarcher82]

...oh, and since I decided to try and defend my position, I hereby

Unvote

.

I am here to answer new questions, if you want.

[lewarcher82]

@Snow: I just unvoted. I considered my sacrifice a good sacrifice, then I changed my mind, after a couple of peole told, more or less, that if I am town I should not give up. So now I am defending myself and I am not voting myself anymore. Oh, and please, read all posts before you ask mod to replace me. I posted answers and unvoted. Thank you.

@Confid: Yes, please, read my answers.

Therefore

Mod, I am not trying to ruin this game and I am not voting myself anymore

. Moreover,

I did not do anything against rules

: I am convinced of my FoS's and I wanted to prove I am town by dying.

[lewarcher82]

I cannot but quote you, Confid: everything can be called overcompensation. Your arguments are as weak as mine, but you had the luck of posting them first. Now I am as clueless as anyone else, I have only your instisence against me as an argument to support my FoS. And given your insistence, every single feature of my style can be painted as scummy. I regret what you called a "one-on-one" communication with Looker, since it is the origin of everything, but Looker really bothered me, regardless of what I now think his alignment is.

This is going nowhere, and I am a little sick of being interrogated but I will keep answering as long as this day is over.

As I told, I cannot imagine a scenario with you and Looker on the same side, and now Looker looks like a scummy townie to me, too. Since Snow started supporting you as soon as you came out from your hibernation, I hereby

Vote Snow

as I told I would have probably done.

Good night.

[lewarcher82]

A few highlights:
1-30s- inane banter
36- raskol explains lowell bandwagon [+]
55, 56, 60- banana wastes our time [-]
69- looker hunts lurkers [-]
100- snow votes looker for attacking lurkers [+]
105- looker votes DJC [?]
174- lewar self-votes [-]

unvote, vote looker

The case snow presented in 100 still looks good. banana is derailing a bit more than necessary (

FOS banana

), and confid and lewar are town, despite the latter being useless.

It is hard to be useful when I have to spend all my energies in answering questions. And if you really think I am town, then you should think I am useless, but you should also think Confid is harmful.

I do not agree with your FoS, even though Banana has become a fierce opponent of mine. But as I said in post 202 I am quite clueless, except I find Snow (and you and perhaps Confid) is scummy (I am surprised by Confid's post 203: is he really not scum, then?).

I have questions for you Lowell, since you are my second FoS:
1)

where were you?

2)

how is hunting lurkers a bad thing? You were quite quick in answering the prod

... mmh
3)

how is Banana scummier than me? I wasted time like him. Why would I be town?

Anyway, I would please ask

Mod: Votecount, please

, cuz I am a little lost.

[lewarcher82]

Well, for instance because from my point of view this post of yours means nothing.

I would like to know who else thinks these two sentences of mine make me scummy.

I have no problems in dying now, I am not a power role.

I do. Why? First, you claimed without being called to. Second, you think that only power roles are useful to town. ALL TOWNIES ARE USEFUL TO TOWN. Your way of thinking is too scummy, because scum usually feel threatened by power roles (well, because, only them can effectively lessen their chances of winning), not by vanilla townies.

You are right Boling. We should try to forget about Looker right now. But the problem is that, since everyone has been speaking only about him (or maths, sorry LoL), it is quite hard to say who is scummy.

What? Why? Why, why, why? Why should we just forget about a player that has heavy suspicions over her?

I'm starting to think that lewarcher and looker are partners. First, lewarcher is trying to bus him to gain some pro-town points, but then when things got serious, he decided to take the chance presented by Boling to save his partner. It's just a theory right now, but please pay attention to it. Lewarcher's latest posts had too much scummy vibe on them, and paired with the whole "back off from looker" thing it makes sense, don't you think so?

Because I do not believe in vibes, because, except my stupid idea of claiming (I already admitted that it was a mistake) there is no reason justifying your rambling (and a little naive, imo) speech on my scummy subconscious fear of PR's, because you have decided that I want to loose this game and you keep saying it, regardless of what I do, even if I stated I do not and I am now doing my best to convince I am not scum.

And because you want me dead at all costs, while at least Confid is asking questions to me.

here

---,---

@

a rose for my FoS

[lewarcher82]

hi don. Look at Lowell's post #205 and go look at the posts he mentions. Read also the huge posts by Confid and my answers: you will find all the references to the important posts from the previous pages. That is everything relevant at the moment.

[lewarcher82]

Can't make a huge post atm (Wii), but I'd like to say that I've been in several games with Lowell, and he has always lurked. Therefore, his activity does not reflect his alignment.

Ok, fine by me. But I still want to know his answer at least to my third question.

Vote Count

Accurate to Post 248

Looker

(4) - Bolingbroke, Cirdua, Snow_Bunny, Lowell

lewarcher82

(3) - ConfidAnon, banana 563, Slepz

ConfidAnon

(1) - Raskol

don_johnson

(1) - Looker

Snow_Bunny

(1) - lewarcher82

Not Voting

(2) - don_johnson, Toro

7 to Lynch

[lewarcher82]

Lew, what do you think?

I think that:

1) The only player who (at the moment) seems completely pro-town to me is Boling;
2) There are of course no elements to say anything about don;
3) I do not know what you are.
4) Lowell can be an abitual lurker, but I am stiil waiting for at least 1 answer: what makes him think that I am town;
5) Every1 agrees I did some mistakes in this game, someone thinks I am scum, but Snow is trying to have me lynched at all costs. I FoS her. Moreover, she didn't even thank me for the

---,---

@

rose.

[lewarcher82]

Sidenote: Lew, were you born and raised in Germany? Are you familiar with the place?

Sidenotes are not good in this game. Not anymore. We will discuss it in some other place.

[lewarcher82]

And, lewarcher: of course I want to lynch you (not at all cost, but I want). Why, isn't it natural for town to lynch scum? Also, your fos is still more omgus than anything else, and that doesn't help your case.

Contentless, imo. I posted the reason why I FoS you.

[lewarcher82]

I am waiting for Lowell to answer my question, and of course I'd like to read something from don.

[lewarcher82]

I really, really don't like post 235. Maybe I'm reacting to it strangely, though. I'd welcome someone else's thoughts before I explain just why I dislike it so much...

Dude, you can imagine how I like it, given the situation I am in (I put myself in?) and since it was directed to me? In fact I did not answer.

[lewarcher82]

Looker, your post #235 opens 2 possible scenarios:
1) you want to discuss stuff that is not related to the game (either because you wanna distract us or because you simply do not see how inappropriate it is): after what happened in the last 48 hours I do not think this is a good idea.
2) you wanna exchange messages with me. This, assuming scums can whisper, means you want everyone to know that we are not allowed to use PM's. And this makes us both look even scummier.

[lewarcher82]

I'll translate:

Lewarcher: Look! You'r blowing up our cover!
Looker: But, but, I don't know what to do!
Lewarcher: Just let me bus you to take looks away from me. This way I'll make it to end game.
Looker: But I don't want to be lynched!

Or something like that.

Ok, Snow, would you please tell me what an appropriate answer would have been? I am presercuted by Looker's posts and by your witch-hunter attitude LOL

Your dedication in trying to have me lynched is really incredible. And scummy, because, as I already said, Confid at least asked me questions.

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@

here, another rose for my favourite FoS!

[lewarcher82]

Looker, 3 things:
1) you cannot post the mod's pm!!!!!!
2) if you are doc, you should have kept a different profile!!!
3) (consequence of 2)-->) This is totally fail.

To town:
Since at least part of the case on me was based on my "buddying with Looker"⁽¹⁾, and since I do not think Looker has made up the PM she should not have pasted, I feel I now have to repeat

my FoS

. If this game continues (I do not know what Mod wants to do about this violation), please seriously consider

Snow

's attitude⁽²⁾.

Footnotes
⁽¹⁾ Buddying that would have involved a play with her insulting my family and so on, how believable is that?
⁽²⁾ She kept her vote on Looker and continued to attack me with cheap argumentations; even when Confid interrogated me, she just kept rambling on. There is more to it, but you can find my argumentations against her in my previous posts (and re read hers as well).

[lewarcher82]

Looker, you will get modkilled for quoting your role pm... Great doc you have been, tiger.

And lewarcher, it is you who deserve further investigation.

How come I was sure you would have said that?

Fancy another rose, darling?

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@

[lewarcher82]

mmh... I think there is probably a sk... if a vig shot either Snow or Confid, that would mean he believed my (wrong) theory yesterday, which seems unlikely to me.

Moreover, we have to assume that there is sk: it is always a wise course of actions to assume the worst situation ever.

A question to Don: how stupid do you think I am?

Vote: Don_Johnson

[lewarcher82]

Well, everything points towards Lew, so obviously he is not scum. I expect he has been framed by having the two people he was arguing with the most killed. Therefore, he's either town or really really stupid scum.

Vote: Don_Johnson

Or maybe that's what he wants you to think. I love WIFOM.

Lewarcher seems the scummiest, but I'm not going to vote on gut feelings... I'd probably be looking at snow_bunny right now if they weren't killed.

...good grief...

[lewarcher82]

yeah, exactly, but since I agree with banana, since this is a frame, and namely the most stupid frame ever, voting me implies either being scum or thinking I am an idiot. I do not believe town will actually fall for this. If town does, too bad, it is a fail town.

Finally, about your question on why u are getting voted, let me cite Confucius: "why me = fry me"...

[lewarcher82]

hey guys... I have a flu... I prolly won't post much for the next 24 hours.

[lewarcher82]

Are you really suggesting roses are part of the game? It was just a joke! Dear lord! Don't you think I would have started sooner, if I had a special ability of that kind? I wouldnt have given roses to just 1 target, if they were a weapon!!! And why would I kill my top suspect?

I cannot believe mafia used such an easy frame and we are actually falling for it.

I think that don's idea that a vig may be here is crazy: if a vig is here, he did not shot. If a vig shot, he would have shot me, and you all know this very well. So do not try to softclaim, don: this only makes you scummier to me.

Besides, we almost surely have a cop: who do you think he investigated if not me?

You all have to think about this question: is cop voting for lew?

[lewarcher82]

Yes, at least one point we agree on. Lowell is supposed to post something, he cannot go on like this.

I wonder what does the Mod think about it: it's been more than 3 days of silence (unless he acted at night).

[lewarcher82]

sorry, didn't catch it.

answer: if it is you, you gotta explain why you were voting me so bad and then shot Snow at night LoL

But since you are not softclaiming, this point is not interesting.

Again, tell me, you think I am scum, I killed the people I was accusing and I was planning to say "hey, guys, I would never kill the people I was accusing yesterday"... I am sorry don, but this is mental. I am already in a difficult situation, how could I ever rely on such a plan? I would be fool, and I am no fool.

[lewarcher82]

I didnt see that coming.

tbh I do not completly believe you. But I

Unvote

for now.

Oh, and doc is dead, you cannot get protection. Didnt notice during your nighttime re-read?

[lewarcher82]

oh yeah. sorry, i mix games up from time to time. either way, i prefer to not be protected.

why don't you believe me?

why do you prefer not to be protected? Is this the same reasoning I (stupidly) made on day 1: a dead town is a confirmed town?

If you are vig, I think you claimed too soon. You are not cop, you are not clearing anyone.

[lewarcher82]

Mod: I officially ask that you prod Lowell.

thx

[lewarcher82]

agree on hypoclaim

[lewarcher82]

but u neglected the fact that doc is dead, so u die tonite

[lewarcher82]

I hypo-investigated Raskol and he is hypo-town.

[lewarcher82]

I suggested that the vig should claim *if it would save an innocent life*

Vigs don't save lives, they only take'em. The only one who could be confirmed as innocent by a vig-claim is the vig himself.
About the copclaims, what if there is a cop, but he's not sane? It's never been said that a cop (if any) can't be insane, or worse, paranoid/naive.

actually, more complex situations exist. But this is not one of them either. Vig should not have claimed.

And in my opinion 3 posts or something like that in the whole game are not a sufficient contribution, so Lowell please post a little more.

[lewarcher82]

nice... we did not consider a roleblocker... perhaps sk was roleblocked, or perhaps vig was and don IS the roleblocker, while sk cannot obviously come out... well, this is a speculation...

now we either go on with hypo-claims or we decide to lynch somebody.

[lewarcher82]

@Slepz: if your hypo-claim is Toro: guilty, you should at least vote him shouldn't you?

@Banana: nice move... now I wonder what you and slepz are trying to do...

[lewarcher82]

don has a point here, I am afraid...

[lewarcher82]

Ooh, dunno 'bout that.

Lew is obvscum though.

please, explain

(I am V/LA for a couple of days, but I will check from time to time)

[lewarcher82]

I am catching a train in 30 minutes, not gonna check til tonite.... for the moment I

Unvote

.

[lewarcher82]

I am still V/LA, but I keep reading when I can. No wonder slepz claimed town vanilla. what else could he do? Did we learn anything in teh last 24 hours? I am not sure.

[lewarcher82]

omg so you guys hammered? I was sleeping... damned time zones...

[lewarcher82]

ok, so I assume we have no SK. The situation is likely the following: 4 townies and 3 scums. If we have a SK, we must not kill him today or it will probably be game over (if 1 of the townies were SK we would have 3 vs 3 at twilight). I do suggest cop and other pr's come out now.

Claimed Vig: did you shoot tonight? If so, I guess a doctor saved Cirdua.

[lewarcher82]

well, u r right. I forgot abou looker. I guess massclaim is still ok. I repeat what I said on day one (when I should have kept my mouth shut LoL): nilla townie.

[lewarcher82]

I find it funny that Cirdua has not died and Don Johnson has not made any claim saying that he was blocked or anything of the sort.

And lewarcher I find it strange that you claim that there might be a second doctor. Read up on the thread man.

Toro, do not waste bytes, I already said I had forgotten about Looker. Pointless comment on potential lylo = scummy.

FoS: Toro.

Cop, please, claim: this is potential lylo.

Don, please clearly declare if you shot.

[lewarcher82]

We pretty much have to assume circua or don is scum at this point, possibly both. ESPECIALLY if we think this is lynch or lose.

If we're doing a massclaim I'd rather we do it in some sort of orderly manner, rather than lew's suggestion that the cop just claim.

I totally agree about the claim order, although I do not like the way you lurked all the game long.

We will probably have 5 nilla's a vig and a cop... I sure hope cop has something interesting to say. If he only cleared dead people, we are screwed.

But I will be honest with you Lowell: I do not trust you. How many times did you post during the game? How come you didn't get prodded during day 2? Were you active at night perhaps?

I need someone to trust, and I cannot find anyone who is evidently town.

[lewarcher82]

I see. Mmh. I really do not understand why cop is hiding. This is 90% lylo...

[lewarcher82]

Nice move Cirdua. Only a child would be fooled by your roses, but I guess banana may be fooled *sigh*.

FoS: Cirdua

GUYS THIS IS NOT A THEME GAME.

[lewarcher82]

ok, fair enough. You say you are cop. Since no cc exists for both vig and cop I am buying it.

I know it is lylo, but now I am convinced.

Vote: Cirdua.

[lewarcher82]

I accept your suggestion ONLY because you are clear. But I actually think it is Cirdua. Anyway I

Unvote

.

If your caution looses us the game (you were fosing Cirdua even yesterday) you have only yourself to blame.

Tomorrow and the day after I will be sporadically online.

[lewarcher82]

duly noted, however, is the double dragon assault on toro by raskol/lowell.

I AM F****ING TOWN! I VOTED CUZ POWER ROLES SEEM UNABLE TO TAKE A DECISION.

Men, this is one of the worst games I have ever seen (not just on this website). Screw it. I made a mistake selfvoting on day one, but the poor playing of almost everyone else is abismal.

[lewarcher82]

In my opinion, they both look scummy, but if I must choose between them I would rather support a lynch on banana. I just do not like the way he keeps saying "I know I am not scum"... looks like he is always trying to justify his posts.

[lewarcher82]

I was not online in the last hours.. can we get a votecount?

[lewarcher82]

I am not completely sure. I would still prefer a Cirdua lynch...

[lewarcher82]

why cirdua?

i stated him as my target and scum seemingly did nothing to stand in the way. do you think scum are powerless? they didn't even nk me. if you need confirmation then have lowell investigate cirdua, but as it stands, cirdua is far more clear than banana.

I guess it is because he posted red roses, probably trying to frame me... but there again, why would he expose himself to such a risk... perhaps you are right...

But didn't this banana BW grow a little too quickly? Mmmh... well, you are apparently clear, Don: if you don't think so, I guess I will accept your opinion and agree on a banana lynch.

[lewarcher82]

I have been fos'ing Lowell and Cirdua all along, as anyone can see, but I will be honest: I was almost convinced that banana could be scum and toro town... anyway a copless game with a doc who gets modkilled is severly unbalanced.

gg, tho