Mini 857 Disney Movie Mafia 2 - The Classics (Roll Credits)

[Kmd4390]

Vote Gorrad

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Serious vote. He didn't random vote or even point a finger. Just a friendly comment to get on good terms.

No real read on SC. Maybe slightly scum for attempting to recreate an easy lynch, but it's probably the weakest read I've ever had.

Crazy, why specify that you are kidding?

ZONE could still go either way. And that's everyone who has posted.

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Starbuck/Brandi/Monkey, any opinions so far?

Crazy, fair enough.

Starbuck, do you consider your vote on Monkey to be a jokevote? Why or why not? Do you buy his explanation? If not, why? If so, why no unvote?

Monkey, why do you seem to think nothing comes from the RVS? How seriously do you take Starbuck's vote on you? Do you find her scummy?

Everyone, what do you think of Gorrad?

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LOL, do be honest I didn't even see your vote until after I voted. But I usually vote for whoever stands out in the RVS.

No you're right, I voted the same way you did on purpose.

LIAR.

I think I've only ever played with Gorrad (once) and no one else in this game.

I've played a few with you.

Vote: Brandi

I didn't random vote because I didn't see a need to. KMD pointing it out as scummy is utterly ridiculous, but Brandi's agreeing that it's odd is indeed scummy.

How is that scummy?

Nothing seems off. Some players dislike random voting and will use other means to generate discussion (for example, The Fonz asks everybody questions).

What did Gorrad do to start discussion?

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Fuzzy, how scummy is "scummy enough" to get a vote? Why are you careful to vote? How does that help the town?

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Monkey is probably scum btw.

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This isn't later in the game. It's Day 1.

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Brandi, there were a few more.

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I didn't read Monkey's post as sarcastic. And I always pick up on sarcasm... *Checks*. Hmm, ok, it's sarcasm I guess..

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SC, he'd have to bank on being called on it. I don't see it as an intentional discussion starter.

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What discussion did it generate? Whether or not Gorrad is scummy? Why would Gorradtown want us to discuss that?

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What motivation does Gorrad-scum have for not randomvoting?

He doesn't connect himself to anyone or bring attention to his vote.

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Well,

I

certainly don't think Gorrad's scummy at this point, Kmd4390. You were the first person to post something that pays any attention to it, and nobody said anything toward you regarding the matter until you asked us for our opinions. The scummy/not scummy discussion bit is something you started, not Gorrad.

Then WHAT discussion was he starting? You are saying he didn't vote because he wanted to start discussion. I don't see anything.

KMD, any connections made in the RVS are so easily dismissed, I'd be a fool to fear them.

Meh. True. Crazy seems to think that the only way scum are caught is if they do something that would benefit them though.

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Well,

I

certainly don't think Gorrad's scummy at this point, Kmd4390. You were the first person to post something that pays any attention to it, and nobody said anything toward you regarding the matter until you asked us for our opinions. The scummy/not scummy discussion bit is something you started, not Gorrad.

Then WHAT discussion was he starting? You are saying he didn't vote because he wanted to start discussion. I don't see anything.

Hint: They're called reactions.

WHAT reactions? I still don't see anything that came from this?

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Jazz, Monkey and Gorrad are both scummy.

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Nothing seems off. Some players dislike random voting and will use other means to generate discussion (for example, The Fonz asks everybody questions).

What do you expect me to give you, a 25-page report on him? I am not Gorrad; therefore, I cannot tell you his thought processes other than what he has said already about them. I can make educated guesses, but even those are wrong. If there were no reactions to what he did, this conversation would not be happening.

Thanks for conceding your original point.

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I'm actually starting to see Monkey as town..

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Brandi,

if you were scum and asked everyone in the game who they think is town, and one name comes up on 8 people's townlists, aren't you more likely to kill that player? I don't know about you, but if I were scum, I wouldn't want a player around who everyone thinks is town. But if half of those 8 people refused to answer the question, the scum may not realize how many people see this player as likely town. So as frustrating as it can be, someone not giving all of their reads is actually a good thing.

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Monkey,

I disagree about SKs. Scum want them gone ASAP. As long as there is a role that can kill at night opposing them (vig/SK), scum not only have to avoid the lynch, but a NK as well. They are no longer safe at night. So their odds of dying increase twice as much just by having a vig or SK alive. So yeah, they want SKs gone and if one is in the game, that's who they would, or at least should, go after.

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I still disagree. Yes, they are technically more likely to hit town, but they scare scum regardless. It's a pointless argument anyway, so I'll stop.

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I think wagon-lurking is a pretty significant scum-tell. Especially if you're the one that's starting the wagon, then you drop out of the discussion and just wait for more votes to pile on without contributing to the discussion, and then lie about your external circumstances. But that's just me.

vote monkey. sorry, my communist iguana, joshua, just died. twice.

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Hmm. I pretty much have a town read on all of the active players (Starbuck, Monkey, Crazy, SC, chamber).

Still think Gorrad is scum. Maybe ZONE. Gut says

maybe

Brandi for some reason.

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Semi, which players?

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k. Jazz looks town. Semi, I'm not sure on. Fuzzy, my beef on him is more of a playstyle thing, so not really sure how to take that.

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I've never played with him.

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How do you know what his typical playstyle is without having seen him play in previous games?

I don't. When I called him out, his argument made me think it was more of a playstyle difference. It may or may not be his "typical" playstyle, but either way, it's his playstyle here. I don't like it, but it seems to be the way he prefers to play.

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I don't have time to read games I'm not playing in.

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Read below my RC.

Oh, okay. That went past me.

Does that mean Vanilla Townie or any pro-town person?

Any pro-town person, I presume.

Ask the Mod via PM.

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Crazy, why haven't you learned about flavor arguments yet? I know that Llama as a player HATES flavor arguments, so I doubt he'd make it that easy for us. Hell, I'll put up an argument opposing yours just to show that it's possible. Buzz Lightyear comes in as a new toy and nobody likes him right away. He's initially a bit of an antagonist (spelling?), so why not make him scum? It could go either way.

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So you are now answering for him.

The reason that answering for others is scummy is because it takes pressure off of them. In this case, I seriously doubt Crazy is going to come in and say, "Yeah, I slipped. Thanks for having my back Monkey."

This post bothers me in the fact that SC has been defending me a good part of today, and then just turns around and votes me with no reasoning whatsoever.

If you are town, I'll agree.

You didn't complain about that when I used a flavor argument to defend your lynch in the first game.

I complained that flavor was even being used as a reason for anything. Seriously, I was lynched for not knowing was a Bolt was.

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Town:

Kmd4390

I am admitting to not yet being involved or posting enough in this game for someone to get such a strong town read on me. I am giving an honest opinion of myself so far this game.

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While we are discussing Disney, I've seen a few of the movies. None of the three that Semi mentions though, and I'm not sure I could possibly remember anything from the ones I

have

seen, except maybe Finding Nemo.

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Neopi, nothing else to say? Have you read the entire game?

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the resultant anti-Gorrad sentiments?

I didn't get that impression from anyone other than Brandi and myself.

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People are too quick to vote Neopi. Neopi is probably town with scum on the wagon.

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Monkey, are you getting at the word "classic" and saying that Toy Story isn't quite the "classic" that Llama had in mind when making this game? If so, you raise a pretty good point. If not, I want to make that point.

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Now it's turning into an argument about flavor instead of actual scumhunting? Coming from both KMD and Monkey, two people who I do consider very experienced at this game, bothers me a lot.

What is your definition of scumhunting and how does this not fit it?

Who's to say that Toy Story is not a classic? They are about to release a third one! Here's a good question for both of you, how long must a movie be out before it's considered a classic?

It released in 1995, just shy of 15 years ago.

Meh, it's more of a feel thing. It just isn't in the same class as what I assume to be Llama's idea of classics here. I don't know much about Disney, but even I can see how this doesn't fit.

wikipedia stuff

I doubt any of that was written by Llama or that he used it when he made this setup.

And Kmd, you were so quick to dismiss all flavor arguments earlier; why would you allow this one?

FoS

I can see the argument. Yeah, it's probably a bad idea to go in that direction, but really. Does Toy Story fit with the title of "Disney Classic"? I don't think it does.

Can anyone besides Starbuck claim to be a movie after 1980(Don't give the actual title, just yes or no)?

I actually don't know.

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Still not really feeling Starbuckscum TBH, but I don't exactly have a huge town read. God, that sounds very fence-sit-like. Let's just say a slight town read.

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Ok, I'm a little surprised to see this, but yes, mine is after 1980.

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I can see the argument. Yeah, it's probably a bad idea to go in that direction, but really. Does Toy Story fit with the title of "Disney Classic"? I don't think it does.

Well, I think it does, but that's not the point here. I like flavor arguments, and you don't.

Why do you like flavor arguments in this case?

I'm also surprised you'd still support that Toy Story doesn't fit considering your character is after 1980...

See, the fact that an argument exists over this is why I don't like flavor arguments. We don't know which side of the argument the Mod falls under, so it's pointless to argue it.

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Also, I assumed mine was probably before 1980, but was nowhere near certain, so I looked it up and found out it isn't. If we are going by years alone, Toy Story fits as a classic just as well as mine. Mine has more of a classic feel to it. But, whatever. We're better off dropping this.

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Bah. Go town.

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Crazy, why me Day 1?