Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

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Confirm

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vote: Starbuck

For love.

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UNVOTE; VOTE: ANON

HOW BOUT THEM APPLES

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Let's not lynch Starbuck, k?

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*shrugs*

Fine.

*goes back to playing new PS3*

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Amished, would you prefer a Starbuck lynch or a Raiv lynch based on the first 4 pages, and why?

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Nope. Starbuck is town, Anon is scum.

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I feel as though only a small portion of the playerlist has actually posted.

ITP: no content.

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Amished - given your vote on Raivann and your reasoning, do you think my play is similar to Raivann's? What makes him a more likely scum candidate?

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Hmm, good point. What are your thoughts on Anon?

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Actually, both of those stances were taken mostly for reaction purposes.

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Unvote; Vote: HellnFire666

Pressure! Pushin' down on me, pushin' down on you...

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I didn't really get any reactions from my outlandish posting. Bitches be ignoring me, ya dig?

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Top suspect? On page 7? When most people haven't shown up yet?

Blagh. I don't like doing this. I'll say I think one of either The Inquisition or VPB is scum, though.

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Nope. Just a pressure vote.

Unvote

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Content is good.

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Early claims don't necessarily deter me.

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I try not to have thoughts.

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PS, you can look at my wiki and iso each one of my games. My playstyle tends to be radically different game to game. I don't think I really have a meta.

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Reckoner possibly a second,but he always looks like scum.

THIS is my meta.

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It's caught scum every time I've seen it. I've even done it as scum before.

Done what, exactly?

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Seems newbtown, not newbscum.

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It's just a gut read... my initial reaction when he claimed early was "oh, for fuck's sake..." but not "got scum!".

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No, but I haven't seen many newbscums do it either.

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Let Starbuck catch up before anyone hammers. Oh, and I want to hammer.

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Cause I like hammering.

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I dunno. I'm slowly starting to learn there's a very thin line between newbtown and newbscum, and unless it's a newbie game, both need to be lynched.

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Yes.

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WHY IS THERE NO

ON RECKONER

SECTION? NOW I'M PISSED

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Vote: hellnfire666

Not a big fan of the 666, yo.

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Does anyone really think we're going to gain that much information by letting D1 drag on any longer? I mean, discussion hasn't necessarily been BOOMIN' so far.

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Bullshit answer or truthful answer?

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Yes.

Bullshit answer I make up and bunch of crap.

Truthful answer is that I don't care too much about D1 and like to get it over with asap.

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*I make up a bunch of crap

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^reads like scum trying to setup a townie

My thoughts exactly. This short sentence has somehow convinced me Raivann is town (it reads like it's coming from a townie perspective). It also confirms what I thought about Devestation. Opportunistic "case" on me, that is riddled with holes.

Unvote, Vote: Devestation

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-He would happily lynch a townie.

As CCDC pointed out, this is a blatant, HUGE misrep.

-Lack of any real content in his posts

Quoting one select post from me and saying there's no content in any of my posts also constitutes a misrep.

Wants to have control over when the hammer falls

Why is this scummy? I just want to hammer, because I hate sitting and waiting for someone to hammer. Or rather, I feel the

need

to hammer.

-Offers multiple answers?!?

Uh, did you see my explanation later on? Way to completely ignore the point/resolution of that post.

I'm pretty happy with my vote on Misrep McGee.

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@VPB:

I don't know how to explain it - basically, I think that train of thought is pro-town and wouldn't come from scum.

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Doesn't have to sell you. It sold me.

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I agree with the above statement, my niggas.

unvote, vote: Hellnfire666

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K, so I'm the doublevoter.

Discuss.

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I wasn't sure what the protocol would be for claiming doublevoter, and there was a mix up regarding my role PM with the mod that I wanted to clear up first. Now that it's resolved though, I can claim.

What makes you and Amished cleared, VP?

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Well, originally, the mod said I could privately PM him and vote. So I thought it'd be worth it. However, he revealed after I voted that after discussion with others, I have to double vote in-thread. So since I can't use my power without revealing myself anyway, I figured I can claim now. Plus, I didn't have TIME to claim before the day ended last time.

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I'm a Town Doublevoter. I mean, I don't know how I can convince you, especially since I used my double vote to hammer my scum buddy. If you expect me to buy you and VPB as nearly-confirmed-town, you have to think that my two votes (equivalent of you and VPB's two votes) on a scumbuddy have the same effect. Had I just voted him, okay... but throwing on a second vote?

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I'm sure I can point out plenty of games where a Doublevoter is town.

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Because I unvoted after the VT claim? Yeah, sorry for thinking "Hey, if I was scum, I'd fakeclaim a powerrole to try and draw out a counterclaim instead of just bending over and taking it up the ass with a VT claim!". I cannot stress enough that

I obviously found him scummy enough to use my doublevote on him

by the end of it.

At first, I could vote separately... but the mod cleared up that when I vote, it will just count twice. But it usually won't appear until someone is at L-1, which I guess doesn't really matter now that I'm outed as the doublevoter.

Speaking of which,

Vote: Starbuck

. More content please.

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That's actually partially serious. My meta of Starbuck tells me she is scum this game, and I'd like to not really reveal what that meta is because then she'll play against it. Let's just say... there's a pretty blatant difference between town-Starbuck in every other game I've played with her and scum-Starbuck.

If you want to figure out what that meta is for yourself, read some of her games as town.

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I'm saying the mod made a minor change in my role between when the role PM was sent out and the end of D1 when I used the double vote.

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Why not think: "If I was town, there's no way in hell I'd claim that early for being halfway to a lynch" like VP and I did.

Because besides this game, I've never seen an early claim end up with a scum lynch.

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Hmm, Dev could've been chainsaw defending Hell, though I don't really think he'd be so obvious about it.

STARBUCK PLZ CONTRIBUTE MORE. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON D2 SO FAR?

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The six vote wagon didn't take effect because

at the time, I had to either vote separately in-thread, or PM my vote to the mod

. The first time I tried to do it was with the Hell wagon, and that's when I was informed that my PM had been worded wrong, and I couldn't split my votes up or privately PM it.

Look, the mod fucked up. Kise had asked me not to say anything publicly about it, but it's not fair for me to be forced a loss or a mislynch just because there was a little pre-game confusion.

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I DIDN'T CLAIM BECAUSE I THOUGHT I COULD BE SECRETIVE ABOUT MY VOTES AND NOT BE AN OBVIOUS POWER ROLE TARGET

JESUS CHRIST.

I'm fucked because I can't ask for mod confirmation because that'd be veeeeery wrong. Mod fucked up, okay? Either buy it, or lynch me right fucking now.

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Which questions in particular, VPB? I don't know what I can answer without getting modkilled.

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Basically, the mod didn't understand that secret votes weren't a normal game function/mechanic. After consulting a higher-up mod, he PMed me to make the necessary changes.

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What 'meta' do you think I have on you that you'd try to mix up, SB? And, if you're town, WHY would you want to mix up your meta when it could/would indicate that you

aren't town based on your usual meta

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This does not compute for Starbucktown. Only for Starbuckscum.

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Go go go go go. VPB vs cc.com is going to be epic.

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I agree.

Unvote; Vote: chauchau

. DOOOUBLE VOOOOOTE

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Wait, Raivann's alive?

Unvote

wtf how did i forget

too many good targets.

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cc.com, what are your cases on Dev and myself?

9 hours without a response PLEASE RESPOND KTHX

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Top lynch suspect atm: Starbuck

But there are plenty of good secondary choices.

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|\/|3T4

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What 'obvious connections' VP?

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OH. fuck. VP we're in too many games together right now.

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Wait, now that I actually go back and re-read that... cc.com and Starbuck are both viable lynches, though I think cc.com is the more solid candidate.

Vote: chauchau

mmuuuuaaaaah!

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for wagon purposes:

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If that puts chauchau at L-1, I say we hammer.

Also, lol @ chauchau not placing a vote until he's at l-1.

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Unvote; Vote: Starbuck

lulzy

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I feel like everyone is always in favor of a Raivann lynch.

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Can we lynch Starbuck please?

Free oral to whoever joins my cause.

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I got a case for ya... right here, in my pants.

And, as I've said before, it's largely meta, though I could probably iso you and put my thoughts into words

if I haaaaad to

. It'd be sooo much better if people would just be blind and blissfully vote you just because I said so! /sarcasm

I'll get a case up later today. I have class in like twenty minutes so ya. Not happening before then.

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I think she meant a substantial case. Zing!

Oh, VP, how I

hate

love you.

In any case, I won't be lynching Raivann today, so please nobody waste time/posts/precious server-load trying to convince me otherwise.

And I'm kinda siding with VPB in doubting that there's a cop in this game, but at the same time, I don't want to lynch a claimed cop until we get a result.

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I think she meant a substantial case. Zing!

Oh, VP, how I

hate

love you.

In any case, I won't be lynching Raivann today, so please nobody waste time/posts/precious server-load trying to convince me otherwise.

And I'm kinda siding with VPB in doubting that there's a cop in this game, but at the same time, I don't want to lynch a claimed cop until we get a result.

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dram, what about Starbuck?

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Why?

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Vote: dramonic

Better than Devlynch imo

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VPB, can we lynch dram today? Sexual favors are on the way if you say yes

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Update - just got all my stuff moved in to my new house off the truck, and my room looks like quite the clusterfuck. Hopefully I'll be back in this game by tomorrow night.

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Scum should just NK the doublevoter.

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Vote: Dramonic

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My second vote only shows up after the hammer.

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What would you like for me to eat, Ed?

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Did cc.com claim any of his results?

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Sorry guys - work/homework/parties are getting ta be crazy. I'll try and have something up tonight.

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I remember having specific reasons for saying that statement about Inquisition or VPB. Though, the fact he was the N1 kill and that I'm still alive makes me think mafia is hoping for me to go "Oh, yeah, well then hot damn, let's lynch VPB!". Especially since I sorta glossed over VPB since then. I dunno, I need to go back and try to get a feel for where I was at that point, I'm sorta 'bleh' in general right now.

FUCK YEAH SAINTS

And I still have Scumbuck feelings. But then again, Starbuck knows all about my dirty feelings towards her =P

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Vote: Devestation

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Meh, I think meta is an answer, and plus I'd rather lynch Dev or dramonic now, Starbuck.

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Oh, yeah. Right. Well, dead dram means I have to lynch Dev.

And I dislike Starbuck's vote on me... is it a joke or what? If I was scum don't you think I'd know I killed dramonic? o_O

I just have very little interest in this game atm. BioShock 2 came out at midnight last night. So shush.

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vote: Starbuck

Only logical conclusion.

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Yeah, meta's playing a huge part of it. Though, now that I think about it...

Unvote

. I could totally be getting WIFOMed into voting you since I've expressed suspicion of you the entire game, and I'm the doublevoter. 6 alive, probably 2 scum left. If we mislynch today, that's 5, then scum NKs, and it's game over.

Vote: No Lynch

for today. We don't lynch, scum kills, and we have one less person to worry about picking from in endgame and it increases our odds of getting it right.

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Shouldn't that be the hammer? Isn't no lynch usually half the number of players alive instead of half+1? If not, can someone else vote no lynch please so we can move this along?

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PS, I'm likely the NK choice for tonight since I'm the only one whose flip wouldn't really be a surprise/give much information/I'm the most confirmed town by my role unless scum is going to try to push that I'm a scum doublevoter.

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Starbuck, can you please just vote no lynch for me?

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Nah.

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That should be /day.

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Wellp. It's lylo. Massclaim time.

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Me -> Amished -> Starbuck -> Raivann -> Anon

Go.

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Anon, go.

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Either Starbuck is lying, or we've got our last two scum:

Amished & Raivann.

This is quite the situation - Starbuck would've had to set this up from yesterday with the breadcrumb regarding Anon's alignment. However: there is likely a Godfather, since we have two investigation roles.

I want to lynch one of Amished and Raivann today... no sense in disbelieving Starbuck's claim IMO. My theory of scum leaving me and Starbuck alive so that I'll use my double vote on her (especially in lylo) fits now, they just got unlucky that she happened to be the backup cop.

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Anon, Raivann is saying there might be only two scum: me and Hellnfire. This is stupid, though, since I was the one who used my doublevote to hammer him.

I'm 98% sure Raivann is scum.

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Think about it:

12 players.

6 VTs
1 cop
1 backup cop
1 doublevoter

3 scum (goon + 2 unknown roles)

It's balanced because we don't know the other two scum roles. They could have a RB/Godfather, or any sort of combination. What I said is WIFOM - but there's certain times when you have to look at it like... the ONLY way I can be scum right now is if I'm the last scum standing. Which would make the setup a cop, a backup cop, and 8 VTs versus a doublevoter and a goon.

I think the second setup is far less balanced than the first. Do you not think Raivann is scum, Starbuck?

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So only Starbuck is cleared IMO. Anon could easily be inv-immune GF.

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I won't either. I'll support a Raivann lynch 1st, and an Amished lynch second.

Everyone just claimed, Starbuck. There is no other town role.

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"all the suspicion" being me suspecting her?

I'd hate to do this but I think Raivann is the lynch for the day. Here comes the hammer. If I'm wrong, I'm really sorry guys.

Vote: Raivann

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If scum just won, they can go ahead and end the suspense since it's game over if Raivann wasn't scum.

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Also, if I did hammer scum, then I fully expect I'll be dead tomorrow with Starbuck/Anon/Amished alive.

Instinct says if we believe Starbuck's claim, Amished is caught as the last scum. His last post kinda makes me think he

is

the last scum. However...

Starbuck could've also made a big gambit and cleared a townie, and an Amished lynch tomorrow would end the game.

Either way, if I'm alive in endgame, it won't really be possible for scum to win. I don't think, anyway. They could always leave me alive for WIFOM. God. This sucks. I *hope* Raivann was scum. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

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IF I'M SCUM THEN WE WOULD'VE WON TODAY.

Unless there's some weird role mechanic with my doublevoting role. We'll see I guess.

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Starbuck: who'd you investigate last night, me or Amished, and what was your result?

Amished: who is scum? me or Starbuck?

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Honestly - I don't see any way Starbuck is good enough scum to breadcrumb her result that early on. Plus, without the backup, Town is severely underpowered. This is risky, but:

Vote: Amished

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Amish, if you ARE town, you haven't done enough this game to prove otherwise. Starbuck's breadcrumb + you killing Anon to make it look like WIFOM and hoping you could manipulate me is a decent scum tactic.

Seriously, if I'm wrong, I take the full responsibility for this fuck up. But, let's do this:

unvote

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Starbuck, present a case and convince me Amished is scum/you are town.

Amished, present a case and convince me Starbuck is scum/you are town.

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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

/win

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I would not have believed a town doc claim, probably, but it would've made me question Starbuck's backup role claim.

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No.

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You got screwed by shitty partners imo

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Raivann is always scummy.

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I fail to see how cop + DV + backup is unbalanced.