Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

[Anon]

Sorry for being late, regaining access.

Vote: Starbuck

[Anon]

How many games have you played in, Anon?

I semicompleted one, newbie game 862. I got replaced because I lost access on Christmas. Im now playing in other two games.

What do you want to accomplish with that question?

[Anon]

I understand Reck's vote on me. It's all about the love. <3

With Mr. Vice President, it's just obvious (if you don't understand, please go watch Battlestar Galactica), but Anon, what's your deal bud?

Got a reason or do you just like bandwagons?

I like bandwagons.

Also, I dont think anyone can have a reason to vote someone on page 1, do you?

[Anon]

Pretty simple.

I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

Do you agree/diosagree?

[Anon]

No contradiction there.

When I talk about a "reason to vote someone on page 1", I'm talking about a reason of why that people is scum.

Obviously, there is no reason to think you are scum.

[Anon]

I'm hoping to understand your point of view. Obviously I saw your vote on Starbuck; so I was trying to help discern your intent. A newbie bandwagoning and a veteran bandwagoning are two very different things.

As such; there's no way to get a valuable third vote on anybody without a first.

Unvote
Vote: Anon

I might be a relative newbie but I have read at least 15 different games and know the value of my vote.

[Anon]

No contradiction there.

When I talk about a "reason to vote someone on page 1", I'm talking about a reason of why that people is scum.

Obviously, there is no reason to think you are scum.

But still, in a twelve person game, there are at least two scum, likely three (and maybe an SK), so taking a person to three votes could lead to a quick lynch by the scum.

Unvote, Vote: Anon

, you are the only twitch on my scum radar so far, but I will unvote if you have a case, this is by no means a final vote.

Wait, so you think my vote gives scum the possibility to quicklynch and you vote me?

Also what case are you talking about?

[Anon]

How so? Particularly at a stage where votes are more or less random?

I could have voted anyone on the player list. And we would probably still be random voting.

Or I could have voted starbuck and have what we are having now.

[Anon]

Is pressure for pressure's sake something you try to use a lot?

I don't understand your question. Can you rephrase it?

[Anon]

Hellfire, what was the argument you misunderstood?

And what is the argument you are understanding now?

[Anon]

Once again, my internet is acting like crazy, I definitely should have this thing fixed in the weekend.

Im probably missing some questions directed to me, so if you really want your question answered please requote it again.

Just a fyi for amished and baltar. During my newbie game and atm Im reading at least 15 different games in the different queues on this site. So even though I dont consider myself experienced, Im also not a total newbie, so I learnt that my vote is important, how ridiculous some random stages can get, and that a "random" third vote on someone is way more important than a "random" vote on someone else just for the sake of random voting.

So far, I like Raskol. I dont see a mafia posting someone is town since they usually want to gather the major amount of mislynches. Amished is also very active and I feel like he is scumhunting and asking questions.

I also get a good vibe from Devastation and chauchau posts.

Now to the people I have some questions:

@Reckoner: you say you did what you did for reactons. What reactions have you got so far and what is your analysis after this?

@Starbuck: Why are you voting Amished? Do you have some opinions of who is most likely town/scum?

@hellinfire: where are you?

Mod, please prod.

@Raivan, same question to reckoner, you say you did what you did for reactons. What reactions have you got so far and what is your analysis of the game?

@Inquisition, one question, if you say raivan hasnt done anything scummy, then what gives you the impression Amished is distancing from him. What are your opinions on other players?

[Anon]

Baltar, in your experience, how reliable would you consider HellinFire's scumtell?

[Anon]

Ill post when the site stops being dumb.

[Anon]

Wait I think that

was

a hammer.

Rec didn't unvote but his vote counted. So Inquisition's vote should count too.

=/ Joy.

He had unvoted before.

Someone unvote Hellfire please, Im not ready for this day to end yet.

[Anon]

Actually, chauchau, why are you lobbying for a hammer when you are not even voting hell?

Regarding, hell, I understand the scumtell baltar and amished are explaining, I think its a logical explanation.

Some of his posts feel incredibly sincere, though.

Example:

This seems like it is meant to provoke me into saying something wrong so you can lynch a townie.

In short: I felt pressure, I really didn't have any other way to defend myself, so I claimed my role.

This last quote really screams "Im telling the truth" and makes me rethink and rethink hell's situation.

......

Raskol made me reread Inquisition and I really dislike:

a) his first serious post focusing only on Amished

b) his weak reasoning to support his hell vote.

Claimed already. Unless we think a mass-claim would be a positive thing (I don't at this point it is), the correct lynch has been selected. I don't know that I see hell as particularly scummy -- but he's certainly not town-looking either, and the claim makes it a no-brainer.

Why the claim makes it a no brainer? How is hell not-town loooking?. What are your opinions on anyone else?

Unvote Vote: Inquisition.

......

What are everyone opinions of Reck?

[Anon]

Raivan, who do you think is scum?

[Anon]

I dont think we can call Amished and Baltar omgsotownithurts just for the flip. Hell was pretty inexperienced and I dont think its that unlikely that an experinced scumpartner(s) would bus him from the beginning. Not that I find them scummy, but thats a long distance from being obvtown.

Amished and Baltar, since we talking about this, what do you think of Hell's early vote on me?

In other news, Im pretty sure Hell didnt mention or barely mentioned a scumpartner day 1 :

He random votes dev, Im his first serious case in iso 2, reck is his second one in iso 10, he asks questions to reck, amished, dev and baltar . He answers questions to raivann in iso 8 and 9. (I also think its likely there is a scum in this group)

So, people he barely mentioned: starbuck, raskol, dram, chauchau. Pretty sure we have at least one scum here. Im isolating each of them after job but for the moment:

Vote : Starbuck

Read somewhere that she is usually very aggressive to the wagons formed against her. But here, she has been totally the opposite, like being ironic to the wagon formed against her day 1. Starbuck, any explanation for this?

PS: I should find the thread in the night unless someone is too kind and already has it in watched topics.

[Anon]

I dont understand what the problem with Reck is. I think double voters are more likely town than scum for endgame reasons. And anyways, what would be reck's motivations for lying about being a doublevoter? His ability is easily proven, right?

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Baltar, do you really think Hell's first case on someone was on a scumbuddy? Anyways, what do you think of the way he reacted when people started saying that his vote on me was terrible? Do you think this reaction is more likely to come from a scumbuddy or from a scumbag backtracking?

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Raskol, I have no idea how my last post links me to reck. Explain, pluz?

[Anon]

Anon was fighting the Hell wagon pretty hard when it came around.

I dont remember fighting the Hell wagon pretty hard when it came around.

I started being unsure pretty much at the time when he was at L-1.

So big difference there.

....

Scum-o-meter ftw:

Like

raskol
baltar
amished
reck
raivann
dev
.... gap here
cc.com
starbuck
dramonic

Dislike

Basically I find baltar's case well thought and cc's responses lacking to the pressure. Newbie card, weird reaction to someone he believed confesed scum, and lol i am not scum.

I made an starbuck case in my last post.

Isolated dramonic and found him too sure of hell being scum yesterday. However this day he has spent calling people townies (potential buddying, no reasons attached) and his only cases are weak as hell:

I want to lynch either Starbuck or Raivann. Both give me that tingly sensation and I think there HAS to be scum between the two.

Yet he doesnt vote any of them.

Willing to support any of these lynches. But for wagon purposes:

Vote: chauchaudot.com

L-2, if reck is indeed a doublevoter.

[Anon]

Why would you need answers of someone you believed claimed scum?

[Anon]

EBWOP

That post was directed to chau and was posted before Amished's one.

Site is being slow as hell.

[Anon]

Unvote Vote: dramonic.

Cop claim checks itself until we are near endgame. If you are indeed a town cop you are likely to be nightkilled soon.

[Anon]

If you are indeed a town cop you are likely to be nightkilled soon.

Indeed. Which is why I said VP would be disappointed. Unless he's scum of course which means he's probably ecstatic atm.

I somehow doubt you are cop, but optymal play is:

If you are town, let scum take care of you.

If you are scum, get some fake investigation of you and proceed to lynch you when you misteriously dont die.

Since we are here:

Why did you target inquisition last night?

Did you leave any breadcrumbs?

[Anon]

Yeah I think we just should lynch dramonic.

[Anon]

Isolated dramonic and found him too sure of hell being scum yesterday. However this day he has spent calling people townies (potential buddying, no reasons attached) and his only cases are weak as hell:

I want to lynch either Starbuck or Raivann. Both give me that tingly sensation and I think there HAS to be scum between the two.

Yet he doesnt vote any of them.

[Anon]

Anon, I'd like to hear your thoughts on Devestation's recent mental breakdown and general exaggeration of the pressure on him.

Mental breakdown: nulltell.
Exaggeration of the pressure on him: scumtell.

But I think:

Go on, lynch me. See if I care.

aggressiveness and playing with his own lynch are very reliable towntells.

As I said, we just should lynch dramonic. I am in the point where nothing that he says make me think he is town.

[Anon]

Got back from a long trip.

Need reread so bad. From my memories, what happened with starbuck wagon? Also, Dev seems an incredibly easy lynch, and Im saying this without having reread. Which means that I still think that threatening people to lynch you is a reliable towntell.

There seems to be a pseudocase against me, courtesy of baltar and amished. Can you concise your points against me?

[Anon]

I find myself agreeing with this poster Anon.

I dont think we can call Amished and Baltar omgsotownithurts just for the flip. Hell was pretty inexperienced and I dont think its that unlikely that an experinced scumpartner(s) would bus him from the beginning. Not that I find them scummy, but thats a long distance from being obvtown.

Amished and Baltar, since we talking about this, what do you think of Hell's early vote on me?

In other news, Im pretty sure Hell didnt mention or barely mentioned a scumpartner day 1 :

He random votes dev, Im his first serious case in iso 2, reck is his second one in iso 10, he asks questions to reck, amished, dev and baltar . He answers questions to raivann in iso 8 and 9. (I also think its likely there is a scum in this group)

So, people he barely mentioned: starbuck, raskol, dram, chauchau. Pretty sure we have at least one scum here. Im isolating each of them after job but for the moment:

Vote : Starbuck

Read somewhere that she is usually very aggressive to the wagons formed against her. But here, she has been totally the opposite, like being ironic to the wagon formed against her day 1. Starbuck, any explanation for this?

PS: I should find the thread in the night unless someone is too kind and already has it in watched topics.

Vote: Starbuck.

Amished, what in star's case makes you think she is town?

[Anon]

Vote: No lynch.

When you people vote no lynch you usually dont talk about who do you suspect and who is town, so scum cant decide who to kill/wifomize/etc.

Pretty sure Im going to be alive tomorrow so we'll definitely talk a lot then. See ya.

[Anon]

... He's a double voter. Nobody else counter-claimed (nor died as a DV) and we hammered several times with him on the wagon and not the required number of "bodies", so to speak.

If he *was* scum and there was another scum left, the game would be over as they'd control 3 votes and this day wouldn't have started.

QFT.

Still thinking the play is Starbuck. Even more after that lame attempt at catching Reckoner in a contradiction after him being confirmed double voter for basically all the game. Its also a relief Raskol was nightkilled since I was starting to have my doubts about him for that potential buddying for a null tell early yesterday.

Voting after the massclaim finishes who should have been decided by Reckoner.

[Anon]

Rereading time:

For some strange reason scum decided to kill Raskol other than confirmed town Reckoner.

These are Raskol posts from yesterday.

With Devestation flipping town, and Anon having defended him, I'm finding it hard not to start to think Anon is town.

Actually, if I had to guess right now, I'd say the scumteam is Amished and Raivann.

Nothing 100% conclusive about this, we go to wifom here, but I think its notable and gives at least a little more likeliness that one of Amished and Raivan are scum if not both.

[Anon]

Im going to leave Amished with a question mark since he is that good and reread both Starbuck and Raivann to find out who is the more likely scumbaggo. More info later.

[Anon]

Amished, I said I was going to leave you with a question mark because I have no idea of your alignment right now (thats where the that good comment comes from). I am far from suspecting you.

[Anon]

EBWOP: Almost forgot, you didn't claim, Anon. Or are you waiting for confirmed-town xRx to claim again?

Im fine with claiming.

The point is that we are implementing it wrong.

Reckoner should be the one that should have decided the order of the claims.

[Anon]

Site is being crazy as hell.

Vanilla townie as well.

I tend to believe Starbuck. I was expecting another power role and his breadcrumb is believable. Also having another confirmed town in lylo is such a terrible shoot in the foot if she is scum.

[Anon]

I'm VT.

... He's a double voter. Nobody else counter-claimed (nor died as a DV) and we hammered several times with him on the wagon and not the required number of "bodies", so to speak.

If he *was* scum and there was another scum left, the game would be over as they'd control 3 votes and this day wouldn't have started.

What if they were only 2 scum ?

I doubt it. Two scum against a cop and a very likely doublevoter in a 12 player game is imbalanced.

[Anon]

I'm thinking of balance here when I say that to support a town backup role, a scum double voter would make sense.

How?

[Anon]

Well Amished is still hoping for a tomorrow and somehow I doubt Starbuckscum managed to come up with a mega cop gambit to win the game the long and hard way. No offense there, but I really dont think she is capable of doing that yet. I know Im town, so the only way scum could have won this is if somehow Reckoner is scum. Which, for the tone of last posts, role and such, its pretty much impossible.

I really think we lynched scum with Raivann.

The good news it that if Star and Reck are telling the truth, as I suspect, then the very likely last scumbag, from my pov, Amished, is going to have a massive headache to decide who to kill and have a very likely confirmed townie to decide tomorrow. Taking into account how quickly they killed chauchau Id say its very likely they dont have a roleblocker so Starbuck could possibly get another investigation.

The sad news is that this means scum probably has a godfather. I really hope Raivann is a godfather so that we can use Starbuck investigation on me to own tomorrow, but in the worse scenario, Amished godfather complicates things a little bit.

So I really think Amished is the last scum. Specially for his last post. It all points to Raivann scum, but somehow Amished is worried about a gambit that doesnt make sense at all from Starbuck scum POV. Having a confirmed town in lylo is risky as hell.

Guess it will be something to talk about tomorrow. Good night.

[Anon]

Lol, why was I killed?

Yeah, the setup was kinda imba. You could see me definitely expecting a godfather in my last post, taking into account that an informational role would be pretty much assured to live near lylo.

I think the scum played wellish after the hell debacle and that they got really unlucky with starbuck making a perfect breadcrumb that automatically removed all the suspicions I had on her. The town also played good enough to win this, imo. Althoug, the Dev lynch was pretty fail.

Solid play by Reck too. I think it was a mistake to leave him alive.

Good game all. And thx Kise for the modding. 3

[Anon]

OMG, AMISHED STOP TRYING TO MISLYNCH ME, THE GAME IS OVERRRRRRR NAOOO.

Nah, I think it was a mix of both things. Scum got unlucky but town played good enough to take advantage of that bad moment.

I definitely have seen scum got unlucky but town failing to lynch correctly (wifom, supidity). Thats where the solid play by reck comes from.

[Anon]

GG all, I thought town played pretty good, they were overpowered though.

Cool a post game lynch.

Vote:Anon

You got screwed by shitty partners imo

Go give free oral, or whatever you do.

lol

Claim: Random Powerless Nightkill Inmune Miller Vigilante Doublevoter Jester.

NOW, we should definitely lynch this scumbag called Reckoner.

Vote: Reckoner.