Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

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First post.

Vote: Parama

Found scum.

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*We interrupt your regularly scheduled program with an emergency message*

Camn is town.

*We now return to the regularly scheduled program of lynching Parama.*

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Oh hai der guyz.
Mae = Town.

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It's because Drip twice said that she wanted Parama lynched, Anon. Saying it once is random, saying it twice means to me that she has something.

Yeah, I got something, you're scum.

I'd build a case but you're dropping scumtells faster than I can process them.

unvote, vote: Nikanor

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I <3 camn.

I think Anon is seeing the same thing I am - Nikanor is scum. Do you see it? Read carefully.

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I <3 camn.

I think Anon is seeing the same thing I am - Nikanor is scum. Do you see it? Read carefully.

Please unvote camn, she is town. We need your Nikanor vote ASAP, we're done with random voting.

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Yes the five posts made by one of the roughly half of total players who have posted so far have been more suspicious than anything else in the last page and a half or so.

Vote for him then.

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No need to be so pushy. I planned to wait at least until page three to move my vote and I'd really like to see at least one post from each player.

Oh-uh - scum faking concern.

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Nika-Ythor scumteam for sure.

No

doubt about it.

You left out Parama.

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Actually Ythan reactions is as null as it can get. Will be something to evaluate after Nika's flip.

Now, if Nikanor isnt lynched by page 3 Ill be a very sad panda.

For my third town read of the day, I need to know if its DGB or Elibereth the one making the posts. Dippereth?

Nah, Ythan is nervous scum.
It's been both of us. This is Elli right now. Hi!

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Is it Normal for us to not know what actions posted in-thread do?

^^^ He didn't get the memo! He must be scum!

Hoopla, doesn't tiget kill your eyes?

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RVS was struck away from the moment the first vote was cast, and even moreso when Nikanor first showed his face.
Nacho loses points.
Hoop, unvote and calling Nik town makes me sad.

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I only feel like quoting Nikanor atm.

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

LOLOLOLOL buddy much?

Kids, if you want a textbook example of distancing, look no further than the above post. Parama is taking time out of his busy schedule to single out his scumpal, to point out that his scumpal is buddying up to me.

HE WOULD KNOW

. Especially when considering the quote below (note the planet-size contradiction):

I'm also not against lynching CSL.
My vote stays. I don't feel like jumping on an RVS-esque wagon atm.

Nikanor is town. This wagon should be ashamed of itself.

If Nikanor flips town, ACWAH is scum.

Who cares if he's at L-2. He apparently looks most suspicious to a number of people. If he does get hammered this early it's not going to look good for whoever does it. It's not like we're giving scum an opportunity to sneakily knock off a townie without anyone noticing.

While Nik's posts are the most suspicious to me at this point I think it's a bit early to call his flip.

If Nikanor flips town, Ythan is scum. He just called Nikanor a townie.

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How do you figure?

Don't you wish you knew

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In death is no reveal?

Hi! Why would you even be considering no-reveal deaths? We're in New York here ya'know.

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Meh, if Nik flips scum I'll gladly take the next lynch. I mean, scum do often buddy up with townies to set up mislynches, and I'm one of those townies, but I can't fault you for using WIFOMish logic. Oh wait.

If Nik flips scum, you'll gladly take the next lynch -
(1) If you're town, that's absurb; you wouldn't give up and defend yourself.
(2) If you're scum, that's WIFOM-planting if Nik is your buddy, and not really something you'd say if he were town and you knew it.

You're the one introducting WIFOM to the argument. And besides, do you know who brings up WIFOM everytime they're painted into a corner? Scumz. That's who.

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Informed minority aside.

Exactly. And if they're both scumpals, he planted the statement as WIFOM, and he made sure we notice by commenting about WIFOM at the end of his post.

That's a WIFOM-plant, my children.

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But it's moot if Nik is innocent right? So Nik first?

Close your eyes. Try to feel if you'd say what he said, if you were town. Can you imagine it?

Try for real, tell me what you come up with.

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I'm trying to show you how absurd your argument is. Just because I pointed out Nik was buddying me makes me scum?

Buddying up to YOU? Looks like you said he was buddying up to ME.

And I'll take the lynch because you'll lynch me anyways regardless of my alignment.

Why do you make this assumption?

Scum buddy up with townies. It's a common move. WIFOM, yes. Does it mean I'm scum? Maybe.

But he wasn't buddying up to you at all.

This is getting weirder by the minute.

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Hey Para! You seem nothing like what I remember of you in Killers Mafia II. Nothing at all. What happened?

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I only feel like quoting Nikanor atm.

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

LOLOLOLOL buddy much?

IF Nikanor is buddying up to someone (and the infraction would be pretty minor), wouldn't be to me, rather than to Nikanor?

I wouldn't auto-lynch you on Nikanor's flip. There would be a lot of analyze. You would be a part of the puzzle. I may change my mind completely.

But right now you do look like Nikanor's buddy.

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But if Parama corrects us, shall we accept it?

But is the correction, true? That, my dear, is the question.

Read the rest of Parama's post:

So I guess we're lynching Nikanor.
Cool. You guys do that, I'm not against it.
I'm also not against lynching CSL.
My vote stays. I don't feel like jumping on an RVS-esque wagon atm.

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Drip, that was directed at Para right?

Yes.

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Not lynching CSL like they should be.
Don't even try to misrep me by saying I'm trying to switch the target.

Para, remember how we

didn't

policy lynch you and few others on site in Killer's Mafia? Get my point? Good.

I can also fully assure the wagon on Nik is not "RVS-esque". Do you think this buddying you mention is the reason we're on him right now? If so, think again.

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Go ahead and lynch Nikanor. Just make sure CSL dies first.

Why the CSL obsession? Why waste a lynch? Maybe he'll be vig'ed. On thing is certain, he will not be doc-protected.

And in some ways you seem to think that Nikanor is scummy. But you're sticking your guns to CSL. Why worry about him? He's not going to be there in end game. If the vig fails us, he'll have to be utility-lynched eventually.

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It looks to me like folks are voting Nik because of his stuff and FoSing Para for what otherwise might not be scummy if Nik weren't under suspicion?

Main reason: fishing for the cop. Possibly spurred on by the scum's fear of a cop result. His head wasn't cool; he forgot there had been no night and I could not have had a result on Parama.

His jumping at my insistence that Parama is scum is another indication that they may be scumpals.

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Maybe he'll be vig'ed. On thing is certain, he will not be doc-protected.

Justify this.

You think he'll be doc-protected???

He's a great vig target, it would save us wasting a day on a utility lynch. And he may well be scum, the way Parama-scum is going at him. All and all, an excellent target.

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Parama:
Scummy player vs. Unreadable player
I cannot imagine a town player prefering to lynch the latter over the former.

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It's because Drip twice said that she wanted Parama lynched, Anon. Saying it once is random,

saying it twice means to me that she has something.

DIE SCUM DIE

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Parama, I find it amusing that you of all people would be the one endorsing a policy lynch.
We have much more damnig things against Nikanor than CSL. It's not a happy fact that you do not, or refuse to see it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but you're tunneling CSL because of a policy we know next to nothing about, the L-1 vote, and the reasoning or lack thereof explaining said vote?

They may be buddies. Parama may feel that he has a better chance of winning as scum without CSL, and especially now that he's under fire, it's especially important for Parama to bus CSL for town cred, because Parama needs town cred real bad right now if he has any chance of winning as scum.

That's how I see it, that's how I call it.

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Parama, I find it amusing that

you of all people

would be the one endorsing a policy lynch.

Justify this.

Past game between Para and I. He was the definition of a VI along with several others. We didn't policy lynch a single one of them.

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First vote of the game = me voting CSL.
I don't bus in RVS.

Ehwhat scumclaim?

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I think Parama is looking for an easy lynch. Distracting from the Nikanor lynch. Nikanor, who has vanished, like a good little scum giving up.

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I want to lynch Parama and Nikanor really badly.

Why oh why do we have only one lynch???

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BRB gonna try to act even scummier

Feel the Force.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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I have a post restriction that forces me to look scummy.
Obviously.

FoS: Parama

Scum giving up?

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Surprise! That was a hammer.

Claims must have gone out of style.

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No it wasn't!
Ythan had hopped off.

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Now that was the hammer!!!!
The circle is now complete.

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Yes and why bother with the formalities of a claim when you can get the true role from the mod?

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BTW, I'm claiming not-vig, officially.

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Nikanor's silence is deafening.

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I can't find Nikanor's claim. Can someone point it to me?

If he didn't bother claiming, or damning everyone on his wagon, he might actually be scum.

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I replaced csl after he wad forcibly removed after voting himself to l-1. Since then for meta defence I found six games where he self voted. I am unsurprised by his play here. I think those who went after nik and csl, assuming nik is town, are most likely.

WOW, that's definitely (1) vig-meat or (2) utility-lynch if the vig has mush for brains.

We should form a club of players that will NK CSL on sight as top priority whenever we have a killing role: mafia, vig, SK, daykill, etc.

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We should form a club of players that will NK CSL on sight as top priority whenever we have a killing role: mafia, vig, SK, daykill, etc.

I'm in the "Kill CSL ASAP club" if you didn't notice.
Also, since it seems day is in fact not over,

Vote: CSL

Why do you keep insisting on lynching zwet's little brother? Be patient, chances are he'll be killed tonight. If not, we'll see what our prospects are.

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IF Nikanor is buddying up to someone (and the infraction would be pretty minor), wouldn't be to me, rather than to Nikanor?

I don't even think Nikanor was buddying to me, but he sure wasn't buddying to Para. He said: "Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?" so it sounded like he wanted to verify if I had rolebased info. I did say that if he was buddying up to someone, it would be more me, than Parama. But I don't even think he's buddying at all.

But I do think Nikanor is scum after all. He didn't bother claiming ("bunch of idiots, you just lynched the DOCTOR!!!" or "No big deal I was just vanilla") and he didn't express the natural outrage expected: "ALL the scum is on my wagon!!!"

On that basis I think Nikanor is indeed scum.

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Actually, screw it. You all can lynch me tomorrow if you want.

Vote: Nikanor

Unless of course, he's scum, in which you all should thank me.

Yeah, CSL is scum.

Is he scum with Nikanor? That's my working hypothesis at the moment. Today, I'd rather lynch Nikanor. Reason being, as explained a few minutes ago, Nikanor's lack of claim and lack of outrage is extremely scummy. Nearly at the PROOF level.

CSL is merely a bubo that we can drain at night. Failing that, we can lynch him tomorrow. He needs to die real bad, but wagons that have policy-lynch components, or generally "easy" lynches are more difficult to analyse later in game, hence my preference for the "harder" Nikanor wagon over the "easy" CSL wagon (yes I know Nikanor has more votes but if 3-4 players started to push hard this would change rapidly).

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I'm not really buying that, and also, I note that you are still not claiming. You are, I believe at L-2. That's claiming range. You aren't given much analysis, that's not true, and you had to be asked. Your new MaB vote is unexplained.

Contradition:

You say "who the hell said I was lynched?" but then later you say "Why bother claiming? I was dead anyway."

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vote yosarian

hope you agree hoops. I read much from him about csl being scummy rather than a poor player or a liability. Not having the balls to say policy lynch when it's a policy lynch trips the scumdar.

Why would the scum pursue a policy lynch when they have a NK? Just askin' Looking for an easy lynch? No, the Nikanor wagon is a good one. They could ride that one easily. And if Nikanor is town, and the scum wants to pursue a side wagon for town cred when he flips town, is CSL really a good choice, when they'll be dragged into policy lynch discussions?

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Nikanor thought this was a hammer. He said later: "Why bother claiming? I was dead anyway."

Regardless of what people think of the Nikanor case BEFORE the quicklynch false alarm, he is scum. Quite possibly with MaB since instead of analyzing his wagon, he panicked and opted for some last-minute bus'ing before, he probably feared, the thread might be closed. No time to analyse! But what scum wouldn't want to at least slip in some distancing. No one had even noticed MaB's existence in the game prior to that. BUT HE DIDN'T BOTHER CLAIMING.

All he did was to rush to distance from someone. That was his priority. Not claim and give us information to play with in twilight. Like Weeboo pointed out, no "good luck town" - and no cursing at his wagon, no calling us idiots for quicklynching a power role or telling us not to worry if he's vanilla, no outrage at not being given an opportunity to claim, no anger at the players that were supposedly last on his wagon (CSL and Zombie). He should have cursed CSL and Zombie straight to hell for not letting him claim, but no, he zeroes in on the invisible MaB.

To add insult to injury, after he found out he was still alive, he still refused to claim. 5kUmz will delay claiming forever if they can help it. He's stalling his claim. He is not town.

WE MUST LYNCH NIKANOR.

Please, people, stop trying to stir up fruitless wagons that will lead nowhere. Nikanor's post-lynch is as scummy as it gets.

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MOAR NIKANOR VOATS

We have to put him at L-1 so that he can't weasle out of claiming. The suggestion to wait for deadline and plurality is not a good one.

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The suggestion to wait for deadline and plurality is not a good one.

Explain.

Because we need claims, and we may need to reverse the wagon, and the plurality may end up in the hands of very few people, including scum, at deadline.

We need more Nikanor votes because I am bored and I want to mock his fakeclaim for everyone's amusement.

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Must-die players:

1 - Nikanor
2 - Miserable At Best
3 - CSL
4 - SpyreX (he's like an evil presence in this particular game, and is voting camn!!!)
5 - McZombie
6 - Dramonic (read in iso and see what I mean)
7 - A Clergyman with a Hoop (Yosarian's buddy, NOT Nikanor's buddy)

Iffy players:

1 - Parama
2- Yosarian2
3 - Nachomamma (lurkerscummish)
4 - KMD (lurkerscummish)

Townies:

1 - Weaboo
2 - camn
3 - Maemuki
4 - Ythan
5 - Anon

Will be NK'd tonight and is really eager to lynch scum to keep up fearsome scumhunter rep so please vote Nikanor:

1- Drippereth

Bear in mind, some of the lurkers are probably very quiet because they fear I might read their minds.

Kill these players after I'm dead. They are scum.

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OK, Drip, then get your options for a counterwagon ready.

I will be over Miserable at Best like a pitbull on a ham bone. I reserve the right to surprise everyone and wagon someone completely different.

The hyphen, Ythan, is a left over cut and paste nuisance from the mod votecount I used for the player list.

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camn - Kmd, SypreX, Nachomamma8

These voters are bad news. First of all, there will be no camn lynch today, camn is sweet, adorable, and totally town, while Kmd & Nachomamma are lurkerscummy, and Spyrex is a dark, evil character. Why are they voting camn? Nachoomamma scum is still in RVS, Kmd because he's dating camn RL or something, but SpyreX??? He's hiding. Hey SpyreX, you shouldn't hide, Nikanor is scum, only, with another scumgroup! You'll get town-cred for hammering him!!!

CSL - Parama, Yosarian2

I don't view the obsession with the policy/utility lynch of CSL having to be on Day 1 when we don't even know if we have a vig. Parama is totally tunelled (as scum or town) but Yosarian's vote is disappointing in a scummy sorta way.

Yosarian2 - A Clergyman with a Hoop

This vote could be distancing.

Anon - Dramonic

Dramonic is lurkerscum.

Not Voting - Miserable At Best

This scum chnaged his mind about bus'ing Nikanor.

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I haven't even commented on the Nik wagon much. Like I said, not against it, but not voting on it. I don't quite care about the specifics of the Nik wagon and am content with tunneling on CSL, thank you.

Perhaps you're afraid he's a townie because he's not in the same scumgroup as you? Have no fear! He could be from another group, or be a serial killer!

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Now is not the time to keep pushing the Nik wagon. I moved my vote and he's at L-1. Now is time to stop and let him claim.

No, now is the time I analyze the reactions and catch more scum for you to pursue tomorrow, because I'm going to be dead. My list of suspects is long, it will be the other players' job to narrow it down later.

Just doin' mah' jawb.

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I don't mean stop everything. But this wagon clearly doesn't need any more pushing.

We need to read Nikanor the riot act and get him to fakeclaim if he shows up, and remind people not to hammer until he fakeclaims and the laughter subsides.

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I replaced csl after he wad forcibly removed after voting himself to l-1. Since then for meta defence I found six games where he self voted. I am unsurprised by his play here. I think those who went after nik and csl, assuming nik is town, are most likely.

I have nooooooooooo ideaaaaaaaaa what you're talking about. And I think someone else provided those games.
inside joke.

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Btw, guys. I just got officially engaged. Im so so so happy right now. xD

Gratz Hayle!

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Vote: camn.

I've never played with KMD before, but I hear he's a good player. If he hasn't found scum by now, I'd be surprised.

Has the fact that Nikanor's first post was spent following Kmd's RV been included in the case?

Case Schmase, Nikanor = Scum.
But yeah, he's nervous about KMD there too.

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It's more or less the same thing he got in trouble for in his second post.

Yeah, the deep instinctual-fear within scum of informed members in the town.

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It's more or less the same thing he got in trouble for in his second post.

Yeah, the deep instinctual-fear within scum of informed members in the town.

I read it more as following town.

Which he could only do if he were a member of the informed minority, haha.

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Spyrex, if the scum thought this wagon was going to crash, I would expect the scumpals to hop on first class, at the last minute, in a complete rush, to gain town cred for what they may feel is a situation they cannot help or will look bad for ignoring.

McZombie wouldn't be scum with Nikanor because there's no town cred to be earned if you post in such a way to convince everyone you think we're still in RVS.

CSL may be a last-ditch effort to grab town-cred by pseudo-hammering his fallen scumpal.

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PARAMA!!!!

KYLE -> CADES
YOU -> CSL

Do you see any similarities?
(People other than Parama don't comment kthx. You won't get it, I don't feel like explaining).

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Ythan's constant asking for justifications and whys and the likes annoys me. No a tell or whatever, just saying.

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Nacholurkerscum, you can post! I promise you I won't day-vig you in the face this time!

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Can I point out that Nikanor got pulled up for role fishing in the most dubious of circumstances while drip has been ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING FOR HIM TO CLAIM without anyone batting an eyelid?

More damning that the original rolefishing, is his reaction when he thought he was lynched. He's not town.

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I considered for a minute that clergyhoop might be claiming mason with Nikanor. But then... Nikanor would have to be the one claiming mason, and not outing his masonpal. NOT the other way around, the masonpal outing herself to save the dingbat who has been stalling his claim for days. I can't imagine an experienced two-headed player mucking up a mason claim like this.

Would clergyhoop do this as town? It would be unusual for a townie to be so adamant. An informed minority, though... might do it for town cred.

Weird stuff.

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wow.

Ok, I don't know if hoopy fruity will agree with me, but something stinks to high heaven about all this.

Can I point out that Nikanor got pulled up for role fishing in the most dubious of circumstances while drip has been ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING FOR HIM TO CLAIM without anyone batting an eyelid?

I'm so uncool with this wagon, and these tetchy jumpy people knocking it between L-1 and L-2.

DERAIL THAT PUPPY.

Hey Serial! How are things doing! My feelings are still hurt by all the lies you told me. (har har har...)
Anyway, you're wierd. The puppy needs to die.

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PARAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PARAMA!!!!

KYLE -> CADES
YOU -> CSL

Do you see any similarities?
(People other than Parama don't comment kthx. You won't get it, I don't feel like explaining).

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PARAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PARAMA!!!!

KYLE -> CADES
YOU -> CSL

Do you see any similarities?
(People other than Parama don't comment kthx. You won't get it, I don't feel like explaining).

Not really. Kyle was scum tunneling on town. I'm town tunneling on scum. There's no similarities at all.

Thank you, I'll be here all day.

You have to admit the similarities are remarkable. Both {cades, CSL} were VI's, both had premature failed hammers...I can just keep on them naming them. In essence, what I'm asking you is what is different from that situation and this one.

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nvm, I got some time now.

First, about the action: It does have an effect. It proves Ythan is gullible
Second, the Nik wagon: Worst... Wagon... EVER...
Third, Hayl's engagement: Aren't you like, 18???
Fourth, lurkerscum accusations: lurker after one RL day? REALLY?
Fifth, personal opinions: No need to lynch CSL yet, if there's a vig he'll prolly shoot him at some point or another.

unvote

just in case

vote:Parama

much better wagon to have if you ask me.

First, Irrelevent.
Second, Fail.
Third, Irrelevent.
Fourth, Fail.
Fifth, Parrot.

How's life on scummy lane?

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In essence, what I'm asking you is what is different from that situation and this one.

All different people?

Yeah. Also:

(People other than Parama don't comment kthx. You won't get it, I don't feel like explaining).

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@Ythan: A case based on 1 post that isnt even scummy doesnt need to be dismantled. a combination of scum and misguided town (or borderline neurotic for Drip ) doesnt need a case to make a wagon. That's what's happening here.

DGB here, good grief, I just finished a game where all the people calling me crazy were scum.

Your referring to me as "borderline neurotic" is something scum would do because they don't have many avenues to counter my scum blasting laser gun.

I did make a case against Nikanor, it's an airtight one, and it's not just based on 1 post. It's based on a complete lack of natural townie reaction to having been "quicklynched." Are you reading the game? Oh wait, you don't need to, you know who the scum is.

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REPEATING FOR THE SLOW ONES IN THE CLASS:

Nikanor thought this was a hammer. He said later: "Why bother claiming? I was dead anyway."

Regardless of what people think of the Nikanor case BEFORE the quicklynch false alarm, he is scum. Quite possibly with MaB since instead of analyzing his wagon, he panicked and opted for some last-minute bus'ing before, he probably feared, the thread might be closed. No time to analyse! But what scum wouldn't want to at least slip in some distancing. No one had even noticed MaB's existence in the game prior to that. BUT HE DIDN'T BOTHER CLAIMING.

All he did was to rush to distance from someone. That was his priority. Not claim and give us information to play with in twilight. Like Weeboo pointed out, no "good luck town" - and no cursing at his wagon, no calling us idiots for quicklynching a power role or telling us not to worry if he's vanilla, no outrage at not being given an opportunity to claim, no anger at the players that were supposedly last on his wagon (CSL and Zombie). He should have cursed CSL and Zombie straight to hell for not letting him claim, but no, he zeroes in on the invisible MaB.

To add insult to injury, after he found out he was still alive, he still refused to claim. 5kUmz will delay claiming forever if they can help it. He's stalling his claim. He is not town.

WE MUST LYNCH NIKANOR.

Please, people, stop trying to stir up fruitless wagons that will lead nowhere. Nikanor's post-lynch is as scummy as it gets.

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I've said a few times where the "In death there is no reveal" line came from.

Hey Ythan, hush up.

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Yosarian, I do believe that your case against CSL is in good faith, and is quite likely correct.

However, I believe that Nikanor's reaction to his pseudo-lynch is more clearly scum. Furthermore, there is still hope that CSL would be vig'ed tonight.

I prefer a Nikanor lynch. He's stalling his claim, he didn't even claim when he thought he was dead, all that jazz, it's a cardinal sin in my book.

I'll be glad to hammer the living daylights out of CSL if the vig misses the target. Tomorrow.

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We'll find out tomorrow. We might have an SK that will want to fakeclaim vig, too, that nearly doubles our chances. Plus, he's a naked target. No one, no one is going to doc-protect CSL. Freebie!

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Yos, how much attention are you paying to the thread? You finished reading right?

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Oh, and I'm not claiming.
Lalalala~.

OK, we hammer you. Only scum refuses to claim; this, to bot, coming after days of stalling and missing opportunities.

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HAMMER PLZ
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@Yos - if the vig fails, we'll have to waste a day lynching CSL and that would be unfortunate. No matter what, CSL

WILL

be taken care of. He's not long for this world. This kind of player is better vig'ed than lynched but if he's not vig'ed, we'll make do and lynch him.

[Drippereth]

Nikanor not claiming is a solid sign that he is probably town. If he was scum, I'd expect him to show signs of pressure much larger than is currently displayed (I don't see any).

Jesus H Christ. Where have you been playing mafia? Heck, I've refused to claim as scum, and people that don't claim are scum. This isn't logic; it's experience. This is what I've observed. IN addition to the lack of claim, the total lack of outrage, berating of the players, demanding to be avenged, calling every scum on his wagon, no "good luck town" is totally scum.

Your case against Maemuki is lame. She may be your buddy, though. The case is lame enough to reek of distancing.

[Drippereth]

I'm starting to think that Clergyhoop has decided that she'd use her informed minority status to show off how great she is at reading townies. Her complete confidence, dating way back when, that Nikanor is town, despite abundant evidence to the contrary, despite further actions from Nikanor deserving of a lynch, points to that.

Nikanor is absolutely not scum with Clergyhoop. Of this I am 100% certain. If there is one scum faction, that means that Nikanor is SK; if there are two scum factions, he probably belongs to the other. However, I'm going to venture a guess that there is one scum faction and a SK, because a small scum group would suspect the existence of a second one, and hope for town cred from lynching the second scumgroup. I'm not seeing this here. We'll see how the NKs go.

Pretty sure that Clergyhoop is scum.

[Drippereth]

Actually, I can't seem to take this game seriously yet, if it matters.

So you wouldn't mind helping us out and hammering Nikanor, right?

[Drippereth]

Of course you will deem the Maemuki case lame, as it's totally dependent on Nikanor being town, which is something we stubbornly disagree on.

He could be SK or from an opposing faction. You could make things easier if you revealed how many members your particular faction has.

Claiming is a common way to delay death until a later day and/or draw out potential powerroles. Any scum who doesn't claim to try and save themselves is not playing optimally. And I don't think Nikanor would be that stupid not to claim as scum, because he is not a stupid person.

Well then, what use is NOT CLAIMING if you're town??? You see, that's the problem.

I suggest unvoting since Nikanor is not your prime suspect then.

No he still is. He hasn't claimed.

[Drippereth]

Please run me through the evidence PRIOR to the fake-hammer.

The evidence was purty skimpy. But sometimes you get lucky, which we did. The pseudo-death was a godsend. That's where the case is. And more recently, his stalling of his claim, followed by official refusal to claim.

You're an idiot. Don't fake-vote.

You ruined a perfectly good gambit. What were you thinking?

[Drippereth]

How would you justify your position being on the wagon the next day if the wagon actually went through and Nikanor was town?

He refused to claim. You said he was smart; therefore, I can't discount his refusal to claim on being VI.

I don't like people masquerading the idea that there was a ton of evidence for Nikanor deserving a quick-lynch, because it is 100% false.

No one has ever said that; this is, again, a speed game, and we didn't waste time, we ran up a wagon. And Nikanor turns out to be a claim-denying scum, in addition to his reaction to the pseudo-hammer not showing any signs of him being town whatsoever.

We would never have got the 'luck' if in an ill-conceived wagon wasn't created in the first place.

SO waht??? What's the problem with that? Who cares what the INITIAL reasons were???

That was a scummy wagon and you know it, especially when you concede there was little to no evidence.

Are you nuts. This is a spped game. We plunged in and started a wagon.

So, to me, when Maemuki is relieved the lynch didn't go through, and you're a smart enough player to know that a page 7 lynch on a page 2 case in less than a day isn't a smart town play, it makes me wonder how on earth this wagon generated so many votes.

It's a speed game. We need action. We cannot spend the first week dilly-dallying. I think you're making up stuff you don't even believe yourself.

It is obviously scum-driven, which means it is highly unlikely Nikanor is scum, because a whole pack of scum bussing out of nowhere

Ugh? How would you know??? THe guy freakin' refused to claim! NO GOOD LUCK TOWN, nothing. I've seen 100% of a 5-man scumteam bus their zwet-buddy on Day 1. So yep. Scums do bus out of nowhere. See: CSL.

[Drippereth]

Actually, town should often refuse to claim.

Oh yeah? Give me one instance other than SUPERSAINT or supersaint-like roles, where that holds.

[Drippereth]

Vanilla should not claim??? I have never, EVER saw this applied in practice. You are lynched, it's twilight, you say: "well you idiots didn't give me a chance to claim but I'm vanilla."

Furthermore, I have often reversed my reads on a player claiming vanilla if they sound honest going down. I strongly disagree. Vanillas should continue to claim vanilla. That's completely absurd. I never heard of that.

[Drippereth]

That's from 2006, a necro'd thread that's 4 years old, and it obviously hasn't seeped into people's consciousness.

When your CLAIM TIME has come, there is NOT DOWN SIDE to claiming vanilla. None. You can say: "well, here's my claim, I'm vanilla, so no huge disaster here." You don't flat out refuse to claim. That's ridiculous.

Again, I've often reversed my reads on vanilla claims - provided they sound honest.

However, I guarantee that I will mercilessly push for the lynch of players that refuse to claim, because refusals to claim are more the domain of scums giving up than townies.

To quote Sanjay in that thread: "If it becomes fashionable for vanilla townies not to claim their role, mafia would be very quick to follow suit, thus adding an unnecessary role of complexity to the process that could be avoided by just claiming vanilla townie to begin with."

And SenFan: ". If you refused to claim, you would be lynched, so you might as well claim."

[Drippereth]

I would love to see some examples of you doing this.

I know I've done it, more than once. Based on wording and player's attitude. I can't show you examples, it's like a needle in a haystack. But I have done it. Many times. When you have someone saying, "sorry guys, I screwed up, I acted scummy but I'm town, and I'm resigned because I'm vanilla but at least we're not losing a power role" - if it sounds honest and genuine, I totally back down.

MORALE OF THE STORY:

"It's a good idea to claim vanilla in games with DrippingGoofball."

"But refuse to claim at your own peril."

[Drippereth]

CSL is for the vig.

I wouldn't mind whacking Clergyhoop. But Nikanor is still scum for his un-town reaction to "being lynched." This is completely independent from theory discussions.

Besides, when you have a player like me screaming his/her head off that you should bloody claim already, that's a sign that would should bloody claim already, vanilla or not, regardless of some theory discussed by an handful of people some time ago.

[Drippereth]

Theory aside. in

THIS GAME

... claiming is a pro-town thing to do, i think. Especially post-hammer. If you subscribe to the idea that a well-informed town is a victorious town, that is. Which I do.

That said.. I am willing to follow Yos on a CSL wagon if we cannot reach consensus re: Nika.
I DREAM of Drip-town, camn-town and Yos2-town all playing in concordance..... so if we 3 can come to an agreement, that would help my dream come true.

It's unfortunate then that I think we're playing with Yosscum. (Elli here).

[Drippereth]

CSL is for the vig.

I wouldn't mind whacking Clergyhoop. But Nikanor is still scum for his un-town reaction to "being lynched." This is completely independent from theory discussions.

Besides, when you have a player like me screaming his/her head off that you should bloody claim already, that's a sign that would should bloody claim already, vanilla or not, regardless of some theory discussed by an handful of people some time ago.

Is it the whole not claiming thing? I think that's just a personal choice thing. If your role is about to be flipped anyway, why do you need to say? It's the same principal of ruining the ending of a game in lylo, by saying what you were before the mod gets in.

Here's a recent thread I stumbled upon that might be illuminating for those skeptical about Nikanor's reaction to his 'being lynched'.

unvote, vote Nikanor

random hammer mode activate

I want to tear my hair out.

Imagine that you're a town role, kay? You come back to the thread as Nikanor and see that you got "hammered". What would your reaction be?

[Drippereth]

unvote, vote Nikanor

random hammer mode activate

I dunno what DGB thinks, but Para = Town.

[Drippereth]

...I'm hoping the vig takes care of CSL so I can tunnel you tomorrow.

Tomorrow is going to be fun.

I agree that Parama is town (DGB).

[Drippereth]

In this case specifically, having only posted 4 times before being lynched, I probably wouldn't care too much, as I had no time invested in the game. There's no point being pissed off, and I genuinely think that was Nikanor's attitude, especially after reading his thread about twilight talk.

We'll be testing your reactions tomorrow. You may want start preparing that fakeclaim with your buddies now.

@ Yosarian. NOW you're bringing up that this game is no-reveal? How on Earth could you support Nikanor not claming, with that knowledge?

[Drippereth]

If Nik is scum and CSL is town, then Drip is probably town. If Nik is town and CSL is scum, then Drip is probably scum.

Hey I thought you said this is a no-reveail game?

Here's how the cookie crumbles.

If Nikanor is NON-MAFIA (SK, third-party, town), then the players defending him like the whole game hinges on Nikanor's survival (Yos and Clergyhoop) are scum.

The players tunneling on CSL vig-meat as a lynch candidate (except Parama who put himself on the line by hammering Nikanor and vows to tunnel on Clergyhoop tomorrow) also earn some hefty scumpoints.

[Drippereth]

Yos, can you tell me what you think about the bandwagon that run Nikanor up to fake-lynch? Is it scum/town motivated?

= loaded question written by a scumbag to incriminate Yosarian and inject WIFOM and prepare tomorrow's mislynch. Don't worry Clergyhoop, we got your number, we're hitting scum tomorrow; YOU.

Maybe Yosarian isn't scum. His scum temperature has dropped.

Clergyhoop is on FIRE.

[Drippereth]

Drip - why does a para quickhammer indicate town where a CSL quickhammer doesn't?

Duh. CSL hammered before Nikanor could claim. Parama hammered after Nikanor refused to claim.

We budgeted $20 for your last meal. You may place your order now.

[Drippereth]

I'll give you a break Yosarian. I have a history of finding you scummy. You may just be your regular scummy-self.

[Drippereth]

Clergy is still scum.

Yep yep.

[Drippereth]

METHINKS IT'S TIME FOR MaB TO GO.
DGB is in charge of voting though.

[Drippereth]

Oh geez I need to ISO MAB brb

Better still, iso the scumbag - Nikanor.

Post 450 does it for me. I love it.

MaB - The player that we didn't know was in the game. Nikanor decided to berate a player when fake-going-down, and picked on not even on his wagon!!! Come on guys, don't make it so easy.

So MaB is scum too.

=================

I'm once again totally devastated that we only have one lynch today. I want to lynch MaB *AND* Clergyhoop. Really bad. It's giving me itching rashes all over the place.

But we may have a vig or a very cuddly serial killer so... <3 <3 <3 hearts and double ice-cream cones.

Clergyhoop decided to play the "can't-be-scum-because-defended-other-scum-like-crazy" card, except that CH pushed the envelope to the point of absurdity; and credibility. CH is scum. Notice the sudden change of heart;

first

, Clergyhoop joins the Nikanor bandwagon

. You can almost feel the wheels and cogs in her mind turning when, second, she totally flips and declares Nikanor absolute town and the wagon retarded. "Uh-oh, trouble... what if I do the total opposite of what I'm expected to do?" Well my friend, the problem is, you went totally overboard and gave yourself away.

I'm as certain that Clergyhoop's reaction is that of scum as I was with Nikanor's yesterday.

=================

Now let's not rush this, even if it's a foregone conclusion. Why? Because there has got to be a more experienced player in that scumteam and I want to know who it is.

=================

Scumteams - yesterday I toyed with the idea of two small scumteams but the number of kills seems to be inconsistent with that theory.

=================

I say we make this a race between Clergyhoop and MaB for the lynch, and the loser gets vig'ed (???) or lynched the next day.

[Drippereth]

^ Good post. This is the clearest, most compelling piece of logic I've seen all game (which still doesn't say much). Nikanor needs to be avenged with a MaB lynch tomorrow.

OMG Parama - you're right! I didn't even notice this. I don't think I've ever seen this before.

A double, over-the-top-defense/Greyhound-bus combo!!!

Way to give away your whole scumteam thinking it'll pass for WIFOM!

[Drippereth]

Actually, there may be more than 3 players to this scumteam... let me sort through some of my theories. BRB

[Drippereth]

Oh geez I need to ISO MAB brb

Better still, iso the scumbag - Nikanor.

Post 450 does it for me. I love it.

MaB - The player that we didn't know was in the game. Nikanor decided to berate a player when fake-going-down, and picked on not even on his wagon!!! Come on guys, don't make it so easy.

So MaB is scum too.

Wait, what? Nikanor's idiotic actions mean that I'm scum? Wow.

Thanks for understanding.

[Drippereth]

Hey hey hey

I get what Weaboo is saying.

Totally.

You gotta pay attention...

[Drippereth]

Parama, please explain how CWAH is a better lynch than MaB. Please.

No pestering of Parama is allowed.

Besides, your asking him why lynch candidate 1.0001 is better than lynch candidate 1.0002 is splitting hairs, they're both dying in short order.

[Drippereth]

Clergy and MaB are scumbuddies, gg town win

You're so sure the town has won already? On what basis?

First, you're going to "look for scum."

Second, we'll lynch/vig you.

Third, we will look back at what you posted, and will notice that you are giving your buddies away, too.

So basically this is the time in the game where you give away your buddies by pretending to scum hunt.

[Drippereth]

I would agree that town has won by me being lynched? lolwut.

Nonono, we have to lynch/vig your buddies too.

[Drippereth]

Besides, your asking him why lynch candidate 1.0001 is better than lynch candidate 1.0002 is splitting hairs, they're both dying in short order.

But Parama's voting for the lynch candidate who just happens to be farther from death...

I say we make this a race between Clergyhoop and MaB for the lynch, and the loser gets vig'ed (???) or lynched the next day.

[Drippereth]

I'm not down with the clergy with that being a goon flip. No way is a hydra going to go down protecting a goon

.

Camn, Drip,

Clergy - town.

Panama - probably town.

That said:

Vote: Dramonic

Bold mine.

Going along with Clergyhoop's schtick? Desperation in the QT?

Yo yo yo

I found another scum!

[Drippereth]

People!!! All that bickering...

Please don't forget that SpyreX is scum.

[Drippereth]

Ah, so instead of it being misinformation of your part, what it actually was was yet another attempt at rolefishing on your part. Gotcha.

Yosarian, you're not paying attention as much as you should. If you did, you'd realize that Ythan is a nice little townie.

[Drippereth]

Camn is as wholesome as a daisy opening on a clear day in June.

[Drippereth]

vote: miserable at best

[Drippereth]

Yeah no. I was asking her about it and she was being elusive.

You thought you saw3 a coded message in her posts, so you asked her about it. that=rolefishing.

It wasn't as bad as when you flat out asked Drip if he was a vig, that was terrible, but it defiantly fits the same pattern.

Hush... either you're scum or you're not paying attention. On the plus side, if you had scumpals the would have filled you in last night.

[Drippereth]

No I said Drip was a vig.

Watch your step kiddo, Yosarian is accusing you of rolefishing, while rolefishing himself.

[Drippereth]

That doesn't even make sense. How am I rolefishing?

It would make sense if you paid attention. Now don't worry. Everything is under control.

You know who needs some scrutiny? SpyreX. Have you iso'd him? It's fun.

[Drippereth]

Yos, Drop it.

[Drippereth]

I'm scum because I came in after a hammer based on mystic voodoo?

WELP

Thank you for understanding.

[Drippereth]

All due apologies sir, MaB is already scum, no case needed any longer. Pulindar, it is but your own misfortune.
And that is a baaad meta example of me bussing (first game on site). A much better one would be the last quick game modded by Incog.

Parama = 100% town btw.

[Drippereth]

Kise won't be on till later so I can't discuss my thoughts with him before I post. I will say that we really really really really want an Ythan lynch, and would be totally okay with a Parama lynch as well. We were shocked Nik flipped scum, but that wagon was really weak and a matter of luck.

We weren't suprised at all.
Ythan is town, I think ya'guys are seeing it wrong. Check out Pulindar/Clergyhoop/Spyrex instead.[/sup]

[Drippereth]

Question:

Is Nachomamma guilty of the IIoA Wikitell?

Statements:

MaB/Plulindur IS STILL SCUM.
Ythan is still town.
Dramonic IS scummy AND lurky.

[Drippereth]

@Elli: Please control your hound, she's town but rabid.

^^^^ SCUM #1 = Dramonic

Haven't you heard, the "strategy" of calling me crazy because I'm such an amazing threat to you scumteam, is FAIL? Your NK failed so now you have to try to taint my laser-accurate scumdar and nearly psychic mind reading ability with insanity, but it's not working.

So here we go, Dramonic is scum. The nice vig/friencly-neighborhood-SK that got us rid of CSL may now turn his fire in Dramonic's way, to his pleasure.

SCUM #2 - Clergyhoop

Still Clergyhoop. Here's a new reason why. Yes I know, that's not a Wikitell you're all familiar with, it's one of those Vulcan mindmeld sessions where I close my eyes, and let the words I just read permeate my brain, until I can pretend that they are mine, and ask myself: "why am I saying this?" Let me demonstrate. I will take CH's most recent post and break it up in 3 different units.

Hey Ellibereth - you've now seen the extent of the mindfuck I just gave you as scum in our friends and enemies game. And so I know that you have an understanding of my scumplay that goes beyond "defended-scum-so-is-scum".

Mind meld. Spock's voice.

"You got me. How could you. Yesterday the mindfuck I dished out, the mindfuck that I'm so proud of and skilled all, the mindfuck was to over-the-top defend my scumpal to the extent that I could only be thought of as town, was bloody genius. No you cannot possibly have seen through this therefore I will lay an extra layer of mindfuck down by claiming that my mindfuck abilities are greater, deeper, and more mindfucky than anything that your diminutive comprehension can ever hope to grasp. "Defended-scum-so-is-scum" is what my play yesterday looks like. But you're wrong. My mindfuck goes beyond that! My mindfuck is so awesome it's impossible for you to be on to me, ever."

REALISE that I am not scum here.

CONVINCE your triggerhappy partner is the case

COMMUNICATE this knowledge to the other chimps running around here.

Mind meld. Spock's voice.

"Now that I have scared you by touting my awesome powers of mindfuck, and adding further lasagna noodles to the mindfuck dish, I will intimidate you. I will try to persuade you with authoritative CAPITALIZED action verbs. Now that I've hypnotized you with the greatness of my world-class mindfuck, use your influence with the idiots that listen to you and tell them to unvote me."

Alrighty, now that that is out of the way, there's lots of little pissy fights here. If we can't look at people who were surrepticiously delaying the Nikanor wagon (hint: Yos2 explaining what Nik should do to erase suspicion on him totally counts, as does pushing a confirmed VI VT over a confirmed scum) then how about that McZombie character? He deserves a bollocking.

Mind meld. Spock's voice.

"Now that I'm pushed the biggest thorn on my side out of the way, I will try to look cool but really I'm a little shaky inside. I hope that genius-mindfuck I just posted will work. Krap. Anyway. Lots of little pissy fights here. Some good stuff about my scumpal Yos. Hey how about this McZombie character?"

Yeah, McZombie. McZombie is town. No way McZombie would fake bus'ing her scumpal by totally looking like she's time-warped in RVS, 'cuz that's a waste of town cred my friends.

SCUM #3 - Pulindar/MaB

Still MaB/Pulindar.

I will not re-iterate yesterday's event. Only today's with Pulindar.

But here is the case. Again. Vulcan mind meld scumtells. Read. Slosh words in your brain. What is he thinking?

He's thinking 'desperation' and 'fight fire with fire.' First order of business, lay suspicion on Drippereth hydra since the NK failed. Must. Attack. In. Broad. Daylight.

Elli played a game with me where he was bussed right from the beginning by his partner, in fact it went all the way to the point that his scum partner CC his cop claim to get him lynched after they already knew there was no cop. Thsu, the precident has been set for elli (or Drip) to pull off a similar move.

What's this??? Oh, I recognize this. I did it before, in War of Heavens II. After a Day 1 lynch of a scumpal left our team severely crippled, we milked the "Day 1 lynch could only be a bus" to the tune of 15 dead townies in a row and a scum win with no further casualties. I see right through these things, kidz, because I'm been scum so many times, I've seen everything or done everything. Sure, you can say, I'm doing the same he's doing, only going a step further. Yes, yes I am, but see, this was his first INSTINCT in the game. Poke a chink in the armor of the player that pushed a Day 1 scum lynch and that they couldn't NK. Then later on, needs to soften up statement, realizing it's not going to reach cruising altitude because Drippereth is a hydra of double-mint awesomeness. But then he keepsadiggin': Ythan, according to Pulindar, should be "

asking why drip could be so sure of Niks aligment so quickly if drip was not scum himself.

- Followed by spreading of confustion:

"Ok, ok, that was a foolish move WIFOM though it could go either way and your saying it definitely goes one way is the same as him saying it definitely goes the other, thus you disproved your own point."

Then, latch on to easy victim, Ythan. Pulindar asks both Ythan and ourselves the following questions. Which. Are. Loaded. With. Turnips. Let's examine them for giggles:

"BTW why are you trying to rush the lynch on me?

Aye, speedgame, and who said anyone is rushing?

Do you really not want to even give me time to state my thoughts on the game in full?

Sure. HOWEVER. So far, Pulindar has done nothing but lock horns with Ythan and do the "Day1 scumbus trick alert." NOTHING. Nothing else. The whole schtick totally fits into a scum-in-danger-replacement profile. Attack townies, easy targets, etc., don't look for scum.

Yes you did prove my point. why else would you vote so heavily and readily against someone with such little evidence except to gain the trust of town?

Meaning what? What's voting heavily? That's just gratuitous casting of aspersions.

With such evidence how can you two be so sure who is town and not? "

Vulcan mindmeld.

=================

Other shady characters: Yosarian, SpyreX.

[Drippereth]

OK Yos is town. Nevermind.

[Drippereth]

Yos I'd like your insight on MaB/Pulidar vs. Clergyhoop.

I think both are scum, they are too scummy for words. We should pick one for the lynch, and the other for the vig. What do you think?

[Drippereth]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but DGB, how do you know that the NK failed? o.o

I still say that that Nik attack was a bus.

One death. CSL. Unlikely scum. A game of this size would unlikely have a single NK when combining: (1) dim probability of multiple scumteams; (2) vigs and (3) SKs. Also, read the scum QTs in Kingdom Hearts where being a miller afforded me some unexpected longevity; all the scums have vowed to make sure I be very dead by Day 2 in all future games. My DGB title is "mafia pinata" for a reason. So in all probability I was the NK and it failed.

There may be bus'ing on the wagon but it sure didn't come from me. I think after we lynch 3 scums in a row you will change your mind about that

[Drippereth]

MaB looked really scummy; I'm actually not as certain about their alignment after Pulidar's posts.

Can you take a really, really close loo? Feel every word.

[Drippereth]

The other possibility is that the scum were defending CSL yesterday and wanted him dead and town so they could both get credit for that and discredit the people attacking CSL yesterday. Which exactly matches Clergy's play today.

In theory that's possible. In practice, that's the weirdest reason for scum to NK a player in the history of the universe.

First of all, CSL-town is an asset to the scum. Leave him alive and the town is constantly distracted with fantasies of policy-lynches, with people from left and right trying to meta him, with dubious success, that can later be exploited.

Second, no one has even mentioned that players should gain or lose credit for CSL's death.

Third, nobody on this site ever tries to extract the layers of WIFOM in a NK.

Fourth, as scum you NK a threat, whether active or latent. CSL is not a threat.

[Drippereth]

Can the issue of whether or not CSL was a threat be separated from the problem of the WIFOM of people who interacted with him yesterday?

???

This question is moot, suffice to say that no one has tried to EXPLOIT the fact that some people defended CSL while others clamored for his death. Had the mafia NK'd CSL for the purposes of exploiting the WIFOM that would follow the revelation of his alignment, they would have brought it up.

It wasn't brought up.

[Drippereth]

I brought it up. I MEAN

To tell you the truth I've been skipping a lot of your posts; you seem to lose the forest from the trees and I want to keep focused on a goal.

But seriously, I was thinking that he wasn't the most threatening player to the mafia and then had second thoughts when I saw Yos's post incorporating the possibility of mafia killing the townie they had defended to confirm him.

All this does, in my mind, is to increase the probability that you're scum.

However my goal today is to ensure the lynch of MaB/Pulindar since I'm MORE convinced that he is scum, than I was with Nikanor yesterday. Please do not distract from this important goal of lynching MaB/Pulindar by making other players want to lynch YOU instead. I hate that.

[Drippereth]

Not for his death, but if CSL wasn't confirmed town, Clergy wouldn't have been able to make this attack:

imho, I think scum saw CSL as a chance to get a mislynch. The other wagon was a probably town-fuelled charge that happened to hit scum, so they needed a targetto switch suspicion to and quick. CSL was the best choice, because he looks so filthily scummy.

The two who were pushing CSL the most were Yos2 and Para.

HOW ON EARTH DID I CONTRIVE TO MISS THAT POST???????????????

OMG.

Look I don't care anymore which one goes first. We need to lynch-then-vig MaB/Pulindar and Clergyhoop. Bang! Bang! Two scums down.

[Drippereth]

OK guys I got it.

We lynch MaB/Pulindar today. Clergyhoop gets vig'ed. Or lynched tomorrow.

The reason why I want MaB/Pulindar to go first is that if I die tonight, tomorrow, I trust you guys more to lynch Clergyhoop than MaB/Pulindar. Clergyhoop gives enough weird vibes for every one to pick up easily. MaB/Pulindar type scumtell detection is more of a specialty of mine

[Drippereth]

Good job. I think you're right about SpyreX. Good job. Five gold stars to you.

*My problem with clergyhoops is that I dont understand what was the reason for clearing Nikanor with no basis at all. Clergy, help me here?

Nikanor is town. This wagon should be ashamed of itself.

About Clergyhoops: as I said earlier, it's an over-the-top attempt to behave in a completely unexpected manner with the hope of blinding everyone with the brilliance of your mindfuck. FAIL.

[Drippereth]

Hehehehe

If anything I thought maybe everyone went for a kill on CSL, and if there is a Vig there's a pretty good chance as well that they decided not to kill anyone.

Hahahahaha

SCUM

[Drippereth]

Yeah that's incredibly overinterpretative.

Deeper, deeper, feel the mind meld.

One death. CSL. Unlikely scum. A game of this size would unlikely have a single NK when combining: (1) dim probability of multiple scumteams; (2) vigs and (3) SKs. Also, read the scum QTs in Kingdom Hearts where being a miller afforded me some unexpected longevity; all the scums have vowed to make sure I be very dead by Day 2 in all future games. My DGB title is "mafia pinata" for a reason. So in all probability I was the NK and it failed.

There may be bus'ing on the wagon but it sure didn't come from me. I think after we lynch 3 scums in a row you will change your mind about that

If anything I thought maybe everyone went for a kill on CSL, and if there is a Vig there's a pretty good chance as well that they decided not to kill anyone.

Also, it's wrong on so many levels.

(1) The vig didn't kill last night? That's funny, hey, Ythan???
(2) CSL is such a key, perceptive player that everyone with a weapon aimed at him.
(3) Except. The. Vig.
(4) With everyone screaming policy lynch and my calling for his vig a million times.
(5) And who is this EVERYONE he speaks of???

No really guys, practice your own mind meld on this one please.

Sense it. Feel it. Trust your instincts.

[Drippereth]

I have a serious question for you both, what happens when I flip town?

This is one of many times where you tie us to Ythan by asking us the same questions in tandem. Obviously, nothing. If we (speaking on behalf of Drippereth only) are wrong, it happens. We'll hope we're right on Clergyhoop & SpyreX.

And Drip don't just dismiss it saying that I'm obv scum

I have never done that. I have laid out very careful cases on MaB and yourself. From Nikanor's last-ditch effort to distance from a player that wasn't even on his wagon to your effort to wedge uncalled for suspicion on townies as well as theories that are patently false and only for the purposes of injecting chaos, and my "mind-meld" post I have done nothing but lay elaborate cases and call for your lynch/vig.

Actually, why was your reaction to lynch me first as soon as I started to ask questions?

You're doing it again. Everyone knows I've been all over your player slot like a pit bull on a ham bone since early yesterday. FAIL.

Are you afraid of giving the answers?

That's a rhetorical, AND loaded question. But I've been making plenty of cases and giving answers. Are you ignoring my answers? Yes you are.

You say it's because you don't think others will push for my lynch as only you can see my scumminess, but what do you see?

Read my posts. My cases are perfectly laid out in as many words as I could muster.

It hasn't escaped my notice that you're trying to butter up as many players as you can.

[Drippereth]

Parama is town. Nobody "gets" Parama. Not tomorrow. Not anytime.

[Drippereth]

Excuse me for not taking your clearing of him seriously.

No really he is cleared. You are not reading between the lines enough. Ask no further questions about Parama's towniness; it shall not be questioned.

[Drippereth]

BTW I'm a GREAT jailkeep target.

[Drippereth]

> End bickering
> Begin teamwork subroutine

MOAR PALINDAR VOATS

Within fakeclaiming/hammering range please.

[Drippereth]

Players currently voting against Ythan would be sweethearts if they switched their votes to Pulindar or Clergyhoop.

McZombie and Dramonic should park their votes somewhere productive. Like Pulindar or Clergyhoop.

[Drippereth]

1.) You think both Ythan and Parama are Obviously Town, correct?

I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for now - I am giving Weaboo's actions some serious credence, but more information is needed. Parama is town.

2.) Do you hate my play style?

No it's fine. Except that you are totally wasting my time making me answer questions that cannot possibly illuminate my alignment, especially since there are, like, truckloads of hints that I'm town that you are purpusely ignoring because you're scum.

3.) Do you like Ythan's?

No. It's unfocused and causes everyone to lose focus.

4.) Parama's?

Love it.

5.) Anon's -

Nom nom nom <3 He reminds me of populartajo so much.

6.) If you had to choose between Ythan and Parama who would you want to save?

Now why on Earth would you ask such a question??? Do you KNOW that one is scum, and the other is town, and you want to hang me tomorrow if I'm wrong? Hey wait, that's just a re-wording of questions 1, 2 and 3. And all 4 questions are loaded questions from a scumbag - why I am answering? Oh yeah, I'm a sucker for GTKAS.

7.) You said you want me lynched first because you see my scumminess better than others do and because other's see your other suspects as scummy, correct?

And that's indicative of my alignment how?

8.) Is my spot the spot you think is most scummy out of your suspects?

CHECK WHERE MY VOTE IS

9.) If not, which spot is?
10.) what, if anything, do you think I would fakeclaim?

And that's indicative of my alignment how?

(anything other than VT would be a fake claim by me)

[Drippereth]

Gah!

I have to THINK.

Think think think think.

[Drippereth]

unvote

While I confer with my better half, haha.

[Drippereth]

I find the unprompted, unpressured, early, uncesssary VT claim townie.

That's why.

[Drippereth]

That was all DGB.
I'm all but caught up, and I'm feeling Pulin/MaB = Town for now.

[Drippereth]

@ Pulindar - Did you claim VT

in this game?

[Drippereth]

I find the unprompted, unpressured, early, uncesssary VT claim townie.

That's why.

*raises eyebrow* Really?

Do you think scum would have put that there? I don't.

[Drippereth]

On the other hand, I'm still buzzed by all the loaded questions, then the softball questions that could say nothing about my alignment whatsoever... I'm getting mixed signals in a bad way.

Tempted to put that vote back.

[Drippereth]

^^^ Yeah, methinks Pulin = Town.

[Drippereth]

If I do get lynched today I need to make a closing announcement before the hammer falls.

Is the announcement "good luck scum?" Just kidding.

You should make that announcement now. I'm impatient and I get terrible migraines, swellings, and dizzyings when I have to wait.

unvote, vote: Clergyhoop

who is conveniently keeping a low profile.

[Drippereth]

Pulindar is like a reverse Ythan in so many levels, except in the content department. Sigh. Mastin alt maybe?

I think this is extremely lynchable.

mmm I musta missed that. Honestly it was and accident, I mixed up this game and another where I had already claimed VT. Sorry I replaced into three games at the same time this one's moving faster, but the other already has 80 pages, and the last is newbie. I mixed up where I had already claimed.

I had not claimed earlier (I just ISOed my posts to check) But I stand by the fact that I am VT (actually I couldn't find a claim in any of my new games I wonder where I got confused) Whatever. It happens. So, yes I claimed then. I stand by the decision because it's not a role to keep secret. There's no point in claiming a false role that I don't have.

Unvote Vote: Pulindar.

That's part of what's making crazy 'ol me think he's town.

[Drippereth]

NEVER TRUST MY NUMBERS

But I believe Clergyhoop has 6 votes (L-2) and Palindar 5 votes (L-3)

It's claim time for Clergyhoop.

If we're not around when Clergy "Keeping Low Profile While Other Player Gets Lynched" Hoop shows up, can someone make sure Clergyhoop fakeclaims and fakeclaims quickly?

[Drippereth]

Hey, Pulin, quick question.
Do you have any other games where you ask someone tons of questions the way you did to us? Thanks.

[Drippereth]

NEVER TRUST MY NUMBERS

But I believe Clergyhoop has 6 votes (L-2) and Palindar 5 votes (L-3)

It's claim time for Clergyhoop.

If we're not around when Clergy "Keeping Low Profile While Other Player Gets Lynched" Hoop shows up, can someone make sure Clergyhoop fakeclaims and fakeclaims quickly?

I think they're both at 5, but yeah Clergyhoop claim is wanted.

[Drippereth]

My theory is that Pulindar got scared when Yosa told him that vanilla claims get lynched, implied he wasnt vanilla in this game using the excuse of the another game and then when he realized someone would ask him he came up with this shit of "I wonder where I got confused".

I just cant simply let someone live after a chain of very likely lies.

That is true... My scumdar is spinning out of control... help!

Love your last few posts. The very essence of towniness. If you could bottle it you'd be a millionaire.

[Drippereth]

Tons of inconsistencies and suspicious stuff yet he goes down like town.

We need to make sure that Clergyhoop fakeclaims today. Everyone on board for a Clergyhoop fakeclaim?

[Drippereth]

Pulindar Logic = scum
Pulinday Gut = town

GUT WINS by a hair.

@ Pulindar - I would be forever grateful if you unvoted Ythan, and voted Clergyhoop.

[Drippereth]

That is true... My scumdar is spinning out of control... help!

I'm confused, what is your position on Pulindar? Is there some hydra disagreement going on or something else?

We're both leaning town. It's just that about half of Pulin is scummy, and the other half is townie, so it's a hard read.

[Drippereth]

The sort of read that indicates that you'd like to have the player there in lylo?

We would prefer not to have to get into Lylo.
(hahaharight?....Serial...Hoopla...Kise....)

[Drippereth]

Parama is town. Don't go telling him to die.

[Drippereth]

Voting for Clergyhoop is fun!

[Drippereth]

What changed? Your descent into perplexing absurdity. Then, my mind.

Also, whoever it was that was asking me to claim. You're kidding yourself.

Another live one!!!

DIE SCUM DIE

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

[Drippereth]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

Please be a double voter. No? Darn.

[Drippereth]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

You hammered a scum yesterday, you have to share with the other kids!

[Drippereth]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

Please be a double voter. No? Darn.

Rolecop?

Vote Serial/Hoopla

No sense hiding it anymore.

Psychic DGB wins

[Drippereth]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

Put that vote back on and give Kmd the honor...

[Drippereth]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Ooooooooooooooo!

[Drippereth]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

There was more than 1?

[Drippereth]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

My prayers get answered

[Drippereth]

Oh btw, the vig should totally shoot Spyrex tonight. Or maybe check out Pulin?...actually, Nah nevermind, Spyrex would work great. Someone else can go after Pulin or something, later.
SO VIG SPYREX.

[Drippereth]

you know, you should stop listening to Dripberreth fellas <<

she may be town, doesnt change she's not a good source for reads...

OMG

If Clergyhoop flips town... which would be weird but still...

Dramonic KNOWS something!!!!

VIG DRAMONIC

[Drippereth]

Hey Clergyhoop

Why didn't claim?

I still think you're scum.

[Drippereth]

Oh we're hammered. Never mind. Good luck town. Stop following DGB and learn to read the game yourself.

You wrote all that not knowing you were hammered, and you still didn't include a claim?

[Drippereth]

@ Dramonic - if you're urging players to stop listening to us, it's because you know it's a mislynch.

BEFORE THE REST OF US.

Therefore you are scum. Any other interpretation?

If you are scum, you will be vig'ed.

[Drippereth]

If you're town and you feel it's pro-town not to claim for whatever reason (and there's solid theory behind it) you don't.*

*The above doesn't apply in games where DrippingGoofball participates, you will be auto-lynched.

[Drippereth]

VIG:
IF CLERGYHOOP IS SCUM, VIG SPYREX
IF CLERGYHOOP IS TOWN, VIG DRAMONIC

THANK YOU!

[Drippereth]

You're going to know my role when I flip, so why do I need to bother now?

Haha, same thing that Nikanor said!

Also, I didn't claim because when you asked we were at L-3 or L-2, and we had just had a premature vanilla claim a couple of pages earlier. I thought I could try and talk our way out of the lynch, but obviously that isn't a smart idea in such a ruthless, impatient town.

You were a serious lynch candidate. You were asked to claim. This is a speed game.

[Drippereth]

Im headdesking right now deciding wether hoops is actually town or a really raelly brilliant scumbag.

Neither. Just plain scum.

[Drippereth]

... I just reread... Anon is right

HooplaSerial never got above L-2 0_o

Nah, it's a lynch.
We would still very much appreciate a claim! We can get some tea and crumpets and talk about it through twlight.

[Drippereth]

Why did you do this DGB?

CLAIM

[Drippereth]

And is the every new page voodoo infecting this topic too???
*sigh*

[Drippereth]

you yelled L-1 at L-3
What part of town shouldn't lie is hard to grasp?

Hehehehe

Except that it was a typo, I had meant to write: "L-2, L-1, hammer!" But with Parama and Kmd's double vote the lynch is the lynch.

[Drippereth]

It amuses me how it seems more than half the players want me dead and I'm still alive

It saddens me that we only have 1 lynch per day.

[Drippereth]

Sing to: "London Bridge is Falling Down"

Clergyhoop is not claiming, not claiming
Clergyhoop is not claiming, the scum fall down!

[Drippereth]

CLAIM. I need you to claim so that I can switch my vote to Dramonic.

[Drippereth]

Oh dear, Clergyhoop is town. A claim would still be appreciated but I think a Dram wagon is quite in order.

[Drippereth]

unvote, vote: Dramonic

[Drippereth]

Anon, I agree about Spyrex. We can vig him tonight or lynch him tomorrow. Either way.

[Drippereth]

Both are scum.

I'm not down with the clergy with that being a goon flip. No way is a hydra going to go down protecting a goon.

Camn, Drip, Clergy - town.
Panama - probably town.

That said:

Vote: Dramonic

^^^Distancing

[Drippereth]

Dramonic has 5 votes.

One more and he claims.

I will NOT tolerate more "but it's townie not to claim" - I have made an exception on account of the QT.

[Drippereth]

Wait, something is not right.

Why would Spyrexscum bus dramonicscum early today after a day 1 scum lynch with a lot of better suspects?

Help.

He forgot to distance yesterday?

[Drippereth]

Wait, something is not right.

Why would Spyrexscum bus dramonicscum early today after a day 1 scum lynch with a lot of better suspects?

Help.

They guessed that we would be all over MaB/Clergyhoop? He probably thought he would look great calling Clergyhoop town, and just in case Dram gets vigged or something he'd get even more town cred.

[Drippereth]

All that has gone through my mind. The guess is unlikely and losing another scumpartner as early as day 2 for town cred is not much win.

Probabilty that Dram would be lynched looked pretty low then. It was 50/50 between MaB and Clergyhoop for the longest while.

[Drippereth]

I want Dramonic to claim first, we can talk about the rest after that.
...? at Ythan.