Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Ythan]

vote McZombie

For flaking out last time.

[Ythan]

Is the OP to be interpreted to clear Nikanor, Dramonic, Mae, SpyreX, and Yos of belonging to the Mafia faction?

My flavor is for entertainment purposes only, it is not designed to interfer with the game. ~ Hayl

[Ythan]

PLOT HOLE

[Ythan]

Last time? Previous game hosted by Haylen?

[Ythan]

PLOT HOLE

pssssht don't say it out loud or haylen will kill us!

I assumed that since this was about time something or other that the historical art was referencing events that would take place (again) during the game, but, different game that's already occurred?

[Ythan]

saying it twice means to me that she has something.

There are other possibilities much more likely to occur on the first page.

[Ythan]

Is the OP to be interpreted to clear Nikanor, Dramonic, Mae, SpyreX, and Yos of belonging to the Mafia faction?

My flavor is for entertainment purposes only, it is not designed to interfer with the game. ~ Hayl

I feel violated. But thanks.

[Ythan]

Yes the five posts made by one of the roughly half of total players who have posted so far have been more suspicious than anything else in the last page and a half or so.

[Ythan]

No need to be so pushy. I planned to wait at least until page three to move my vote and I'd really like to see at least one post from each player.

[Ythan]

Does wild baiting typically work in games with experienced players?

[Ythan]

It's spelled Ytharamn.

[Ythan]

Yes the five posts made by one of the roughly half of total players who have posted so far have been more suspicious than anything else in the last page and a half or so.

Actually, Anon.. THIS^^ is scummy.
WTF does this even mean?
I was no math major... but it reads like this:
(*x(5)/1.5)/0.5n
to me.

Ytgan

.. lets get down to it. Can you please

reveal

the meaning of that sentence to us all?

Sarcastic. If you don't understand what a sentence means probably hold off on calling it scummy. Also it's page three, so as promised

unvote vote Nikanor

[Ythan]

I was saying that about half of the players hadn't posted yet and that he had only made five posts in the, at that time, page and a half long thread.

[Ythan]

Who cares if he's at L-2. He apparently looks most suspicious to a number of people. If he does get hammered this early it's not going to look good for whoever does it. It's not like we're giving scum an opportunity to sneakily knock off a townie without anyone noticing.

[Ythan]

I do love a bandwagon.

Vote: Nikanor

Note to SC: Please don't unvote without discovering something awesome. Also, I changed our forum skin to mafTigers.

This is SC.

[Ythan]

Is it Normal for us to not know what actions posted in-thread do?

[Ythan]

While Nik's posts are the most suspicious to me at this point I think it's a bit early to call his flip.

[Ythan]

Actually my experience is that your vision will be tinted the opposite color because your eyes compensate blah blah. So it'd probably be a lighter shade of blue I think.

[Ythan]

There is no universal in rvs and out of rvs. But this looks like out.

[Ythan]

Random voting stage ends with first vote. Nice.

[Ythan]

What's the policy?

[Ythan]

I do love a bandwagon.

Vote: Nikanor

Note to SC: Please don't unvote without discovering something awesome. Also, I changed our forum skin to mafTigers.

Unvote

Nikanor is town. This wagon should be ashamed of itself.

Discover something awesome?

[Ythan]

Active lurking obviously.

[Ythan]

How do you figure?

[Ythan]

In death is no reveal?

[Ythan]

It's just the italicized words in camn's posts.

[Ythan]

I see no way that Parama can be sure enough to offer himself for Nik at this point. Informed minority aside.

[Ythan]

But it's moot if Nik is innocent right? So Nik first?

[Ythan]

Ok Obi-Wan.

[Ythan]

I only feel like quoting Nikanor atm.

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

LOLOLOLOL buddy much?

[Ythan]

I find Drip's attack to be a little eager but I'm still curious about the bit I quoted that he brought up.

[Ythan]

Drip, that was directed at Para right?

[Ythan]

What is anyone misrepresenting? It appears that you were accusing him of buddying one way but you mentioned it later pointed another way.

[Ythan]

In death is no reveal?

Also if camn is still on.

[Ythan]

Forgive me for interpreting you as crazy. Why?

[Ythan]

That was at Para.

[Ythan]

It looks to me like folks are voting Nik because of his stuff and FoSing Para for what otherwise might not be scummy if Nik weren't under suspicion?

[Ythan]

Maybe he'll be vig'ed. On thing is certain, he will not be doc-protected.

Justify this.

[Ythan]

I'm going to have to review over your cop business.

[Ythan]

While I see no indication that Nik believed there had been an investigation, it's still odd that he seemed to take rvs accusations so seriously.

[Ythan]

Maybe he'll be vig'ed. On thing is certain, he will not be doc-protected.

Justify this.

You think he'll be doc-protected???

He's a great vig target, it would save us wasting a day on a utility lynch. And he may well be scum, the way Parama-scum is going at him. All and all, an excellent target.

More the inclusion of those roles in your idea of the setup. But you did say maybe viged which allows for no vig and not protected which allows for no doc.

[Ythan]

I'm not saying Nik isn't scum. I'm saying CSL is a better lynch.

Why please.

[Ythan]

I cannot imagine an uninformed player preferring the latter. And I know of only one informed player in normals.

[Ythan]

I'm not seeing great reasonings for all of the other votes on Nik.

[Ythan]

I'm personally finding this game hilarious.

I hate this always. Tempted to switch vote.

[Ythan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're tunneling CSL because of a policy we know next to nothing about, the L-1 vote, and the reasoning or lack thereof explaining said vote?

[Ythan]

Parama, I find it amusing that

you of all people

would be the one endorsing a policy lynch.

Justify this.

[Ythan]

I know, I'm talking about the case he's making.

[Ythan]

You've been pushing it awful hard for a weak case.

[Ythan]

I'm not looking at your meta and I think Drip is saying that someone who could be policy lynch shouldn't be pushing one. I don't think anyone's attack on you is itself based on meta.

[Ythan]

unvote vote Parama

Nik isn't doing anything, will keep a stern eye on him when he does.

[Ythan]

You've been pushing it awful hard for a weak case.

The only other case is on Nikanor, and my read on CSL is greater than my read on Nikanor.

Plus, it's hard to build a strong case on someone who's posted 2 or 3 times.

This does not at all explain why you're pushing an admittedly weak case so hard. If that bolded bit is you saying it's hard to build a case in order to justify why your case is weak then you really need to explain why you're pushing it.

First vote of the game = me voting CSL.
I don't bus in RVS.

Ehwhat scumclaim?

If I was scum I wouldn't bus in RVS.

Why not?

[Ythan]

I don't think it's been long enough to add that to Nik's rap sheet.

[Ythan]

You RVed CSL before anyone wanted a Nik lynch.

So you're pushing your weak case so we don't think you're scum? It's clearly not working.

Not too obvious. Enlighten me if you want my vote off you.

Nobody thinks you're confirmed townie. I never get why people bother to say they might be scum.

[Ythan]

Good thing you're a vig then.

[Ythan]

So Clergyman, why is Nik town?

[Ythan]

You don't have a Star Wars post restriction do you?

[Ythan]

That's the substance of the game.

[Ythan]

Is hammering without a claim acceptable? My experience is confined to newbie games. This was the basis of my assertion that L-1 isn't dangerous because some wacko can't just come out and hammer without looking suspicious.

[Ythan]

Unless of course, he's scum, in which you all should thank me.

Not if you're bussing.

During Sign-ups, me and KMD came to an agreement that we wouldn't kill each other NIGHT ONE, if either of us ended up scum.

Outside influence?

[Ythan]

Camn, pay attention.

In death there is no reveal.

What?

[Ythan]

Camn, pay attention.

In death there is no reveal.

What?

But she said: "Even if we destroy each other, our deaths will be remembered.".

That. Makes. No. Sense.

That's why I'm asking. If you didn't catch this earlier, in death ere is no reveal is drawn from the italicized words in her posts.

[Ythan]

Three days to deadline. :\

Look at the game so far. Do you think it's going to take more than three days to get a lynch?

[Ythan]

This is something camn did and there is no reason until she answers to believe that it is somehow connected to the NORMAL game we're playing.

[Ythan]

@ Nikanor's bandwagon: Why do you think Nik's scum?

Regardless of whether you agreed wasn't this pretty well established?

Actually, screw it. You all can lynch me tomorrow if you want.

Vote: Nikanor

Unless of course, he's scum, in which you all should thank me.

Already touched on this. Town should not offer themselves to be lynched because they know it's a waste of a day. Explain please.

Here is where the vc fail was, right after Zombie voted.
*two raised eyebrows, an orly face, and a toungue flip*

Are you pushing a vote count misread case on Drip? Seems like you did the same thing when you "hammered".

[Ythan]

Ederta Illuno: Camn

Did we ever figure out what this was?

[Ythan]

\Ythan is slipping right into the vibe, I love it.

Meaning?

Vote: Nachomamma8

FoS: Parama

Unvote, vote: McZombie

No reasoning for the Nacho vote, then when you have a reason on Parama you don't switch your vote, but you do switch for McZ. Do you find Nacho and McZ scummier than Parama?

[Ythan]

Any indication as to whether or not he knew it wasn't a hammer?

[Ythan]

@Ythan - What have you learned from the many questions you have asked others?

Not as much as I would like, getting answers is hit or miss. I'll draw up some kind of summation after this post. Was planning to do so after I got through everyone but that doesn't seem likely.

Also, Reck's vote on Nacho was jokey. I'm sure of it.

Exactly. Wondering why he didn't move it to Parama when he saw some actual suspicion.

[Ythan]

I asked Clergyhoop about the vote switch. Looks like one head placed the vote and the other was convinced of the targt's towniness. Not a big deal.

Been asking camn about that italicized text. Nothing yet.

Posted a few for CSL. Hasn't responded.

Asked dramonic what that action-looking post was about. Hasn't responded.

That's as far down the list alphabetically as I've gotten. And I haven't really gotten anything out of it.

[Ythan]

Wondering why he didn't move it to Parama when he saw some actual suspicion.

Because he moved it to McZombie.

After FoSing Parama. But it was the same post so. Still, want to hear from him.

And can you tease me/us by saying whether an answer from camn, dram and CSL would affect your town/scum read?

camn: yes/no?
dramonic: yes/no?
CSL: yes/no?

Camn and dramonic, can't say. They did weird thigns, not suspicious things. CSL, yes. Those were about suspicions.

[Ythan]

The suggestion to wait for deadline and plurality is not a good one.

Explain.

[Ythan]

Those could be called general concerns, yes. If they're actually tied into real game mechanics then it goes beyond the specific player and does not give any indication of their alignment.

[Ythan]

I thought you were rushing a lynch but I can get behind forcing a claim in time to reevaluate wagons.

unvote vote Nikanor

[Ythan]

It's my understanding that any kind of hasty hammer in this situation is very anti-town, any clearly so, so that it is not playing to your win condition as town, and therefore we're in no danger of a quick lynch.

[Ythan]

Oh yeah. If you want to possibly reverse the wagon what's wrong with poking around elsewhere?

[Ythan]

Why do I have a hyphen?

[Ythan]

@ Nikanor's bandwagon: Why do you think Nik's scum?

Regardless of whether you agreed wasn't this pretty well established?

Actually, screw it. You all can lynch me tomorrow if you want.

Vote: Nikanor

Unless of course, he's scum, in which you all should thank me.

Already touched on this. Town should not offer themselves to be lynched because they know it's a waste of a day. Explain please.

Here is where the vc fail was, right after Zombie voted.
*two raised eyebrows, an orly face, and a toungue flip*

Are you pushing a vote count misread case on Drip? Seems like you did the same thing when you "hammered".

To add to this line of questioning, why DID you hammer?

[Ythan]

Now is not the time to keep pushing the Nik wagon. I moved my vote and he's at L-1. Now is time to stop and let him claim.

[Ythan]

I don't mean stop everything. But this wagon clearly doesn't need any more pushing.

[Ythan]

If he's killer I'm jealous.

Is that so.

[Ythan]

MaB. You said you understood the wagon on Nik but didn't agree with it, yet you didn't fight it. Why? It is not in town's interest to allow a mislynch.

[Ythan]

Congratulations Haylen.

[Ythan]

Vote: camn.

I've never played with KMD before, but I hear he's a good player. If he hasn't found scum by now, I'd be surprised.

Has the fact that Nikanor's first post was spent following Kmd's RV been included in the case?

[Ythan]

It's more or less the same thing he got in trouble for in his second post.

[Ythan]

It's more or less the same thing he got in trouble for in his second post.

Yeah, the deep instinctual-fear within scum of informed members in the town.

I read it more as following town.

[Ythan]

Parama
55 First of all why did you feel like only addressing matters Nikanorian? Second, who is he supposed to have been buddying?
79 You seem pretty gungho on Nik before asserting here that it's RVS logic. And that you don't have a problem with an RVS logic lynch.
106 Anti-town town or confident scum.
115 Here's where the confusion over who you think he was buddying comes from.
140 Why the hell is CSL such a great lynch?
144 For this?
149 Hate.
151 Not policy anymore. Because?
158 Pushing admittedly weak case.
165 Admits that it's hard to support his case.

[Ythan]

I can't count or someone unvoted. He's at L-2.

[Ythan]

I'd be surprised if (sans CSL as see below) there were any scum on that wagon too if this is a scum-flip. It was just too fast.

Some input on the validity of this interpretation please?

[Ythan]

Good thing you're a vig then.

FOS:Ythan

for that comment.

He talked about vigs

a lot

. Not a serious comment anyway.

[Ythan]

Yeah I've sorted out my suspects.

FoS Parama Nikanor CSL

[Ythan]

Wow thanks!

[Ythan]

1 Yes I agree this post fails.
2 Or trying to say how ridiculous the argument is by making a ridiculous post. Yes that was sarcasm.
3 Plus recent events like his attempt to hammer Nikanor without a claim.
4 I'm actually seeing how many scummy things I can do D1 in the limited amount of time we have.
5 It stopped being solely policy as soon as CSL posted.
6 Scum read on CSL > scum read on Nikanor. It's hard to push a case nobody else agrees with and refuses to see the value in.
7 It's hard to support it based on CSL's posts alone. Well, it was at the time. It's a lot easier to support now.

1, 4, and I think 2 are recognition of scumminess. 3 doesn't explain how hard you pushed this case before things like that happened. 5, your evidence was not that strong. 6, nobody agreed with the case because you didn't give strong evidence. 7, if you can't base a case on the suspect's posts, what case do you have?

[Ythan]

Where are you getting the mason business?

[Ythan]

I'm glad you're finally realizing how scummy CSL is.

Did I talk about how greatly I don't like this post?

[Ythan]

How about something not useless.

[Ythan]

I was responding to Ellibereth's question.

And your response was useless. "No I'm town." It means nothing.

Dram, I don't see what's gullible about asking you what it meant. And if you have a problem with the Nik wagon do something about it.

[Ythan]

In essence, what I'm asking you is what is different from that situation and this one.

All different people?

[Ythan]

@Ythan: A case based on 1 post that isnt even scummy doesnt need to be dismantled.

It obviously does need to be dismantled if it runs contrary to your win condition to allow it to occur. If you're town you need to make an effort to ensure correct lynches rather than just toss one off comments at ones your see as bad. If you're scum then just keep on making a minor gesture of dissent to stay in the clear.

[Ythan]

I've said a few times where the "In death there is no reveal" line came from.

[Ythan]

I've said a few times where the "In death there is no reveal" line came from.

Hey Ythan, hush up.

Well he asked.

[Ythan]

You keep talking about the vig. What evidence do we even have that there is one?

[Ythan]

I asked camn about it a few times and she eventually said to knock it off. Not seeing any reason to assume it was scummy I did for the time and moved on to other things.

[Ythan]

He said you were a better wagon.

[Ythan]

What is your opinion of both Ythan and Drip?

You don't say.

[Ythan]

I think it was more about you calling him neurotic instead of addressing his points.

[Ythan]

I see scum or bad town. Hammer if there's no better explanation.

[Ythan]

McZombie snoozed with her head in Ythan's lap.

It's attached to her body right?

[Ythan]

vote: clergyhoop

quicklynch before they get online plz

I think you're attacking for the wrong reasons. Explanations are overeager town or someone who already knows imo.

Nacho, when did I disappear?

MaB post 450 is real shitty.

And you don't go uphill from there.

vote Miserable At Best

for now.

An OMGUS vote on Drip.

[Ythan]

(Or she is scum and is going to kill us all, in which case this game is already lost)

Why would you post this.

[Ythan]

Parama.

I still don't buy your mad dash to a CSL lynch. Apparently neither did you, as you didn't defend your case under pressure but admitted that it wasn't very good. You also admitted a lot in your response to my previous iso, scumminess and bad tunneling. And there's the business around your self-FoS. You even said you're not taking the game seriously. Why should you live if that's the case? The fake vote thing, I don't even know what to say about that. Then you start bouncing all over the place, culminating in a Nik hammer. You weren't even a part of that wagon. You said you agreed with me that MaB should have fought a lynch that he didn't buy. So what were you doing?

[Ythan]

It is a possibility. I doubt it, but it is nonzero.

The second half, after the comma. First is a given.

Yos, that no reveal stuff was the words in italics in camn's early posts. You can check for yourself.

[Ythan]

Nacho, when did I disappear?

Well, you doubted the Nik wagon for most of the day, but you never actually defended Nik. Then, you just seemed to give up resisting and "disappear"- a.k.a. stop saying anything important.

Didn't do either of these things.

[Ythan]

Yeah no. I was asking her about it and she was being elusive.

[Ythan]

Regardless of how you interpret her elusiveness it's obvious that she was being elusive. Want to keep going Yos?

[Ythan]

No I said Drip was a vig.

[Ythan]

Thanks coach.

[Ythan]

Look at the context of where I said Drip was a vig. It's not a bad mistake because it didn't mean anything and it's not going anywhere.

[Ythan]

Nacho

You made one post yesterday. Six so far today. Waiting to see your response my my thoughts on the last one.

[Ythan]

Answered you Yos. Got something else to say?

[Ythan]

I didn't actually think he's a vig. It was a joke. If you want to keep pushing it go ahead but you have your answer.

[Ythan]

sorry for lack of content but tomorrow is saturday and I have the day off so i shall be catching up and inputting opinion! Night for now -.-

PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:25 am Post subject: 1

[Ythan]

I didn't actually think he's a vig. It was a joke. If you want to keep pushing it go ahead but you have your answer.

"It was a joke" as a defense dosn't actually change anything either; pro-town people shouldn't joke about that kind of thing for obvious reasons, scum can as a way to get people to slip and reveal their roles.

Thanks teach. Anything else?

[Ythan]

Its not WIFOM - scum defending hard there is tantamount to suicide considering how quick that wagon (which I still think is going to be town) wolved all over it.

Do you take this to mean he's probably not scum? If so it is WIFOM.

I'm scum because I came in after a hammer based on mystic voodoo?
WELP

I don't like posts like this. There's a reason you're under suspicion. If it's flimsy rebut it.

[Ythan]

Ohh, really now? Go ahead, condense this case on me. Lay it out all nice and simple.

No my case so~

[Ythan]

I didn't say I agree with his case. I disagree with your response. When someone just says "Oh I'm scummy for x? Yeah ok." it's entirely deflection.

[Ythan]

MaB iso

0 You want RVS to be as big a waste a time as possible?
1 I don't see this request following from slow loading times.
5 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?
6 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?
8 Deflecting the case on you by pointing out that Nik pushed against you is scummy.
9 Yes there's a wagon on you and for good reason.
11 They very well could, when stacked up with your idiotic actions.
13 Pitiful attempt? Die scum.

affirm vote

[Ythan]

Overall I think the case on me in Kmd's one content post is pretty sketchy. Care to spend a post filling it out?

[Ythan]

Normally when you want a lynch you make a case.

[Ythan]

Parama or Mab today. Parama is my leftover suspect from yesterday, who today hasn't seen any improvement, and Mab has shot up my list since daybreak.

[Ythan]

Scum. Tough luck Pulindar.

[Ythan]

hsu, the precident has been set for elli (or Drip) to pull off a similar move.

Actually it's not.

Feel free to bring up a real case against me, I'll disprove it even without knowing exactly MaB did what he did, I'll still disprove it. Why, because I'm town and I can disprove it. Just randomly calling me scum doesn't help anyone though.

You fill the same role as the already scummy guy who just replaced out of the game out of the blue. Saying you're town over and over won't fix that.

[Ythan]

There's nothing vague about my iso post; I think it was plenty specific. He and the other are the two players with a significant body of scummy material. Therefore, lynch one.

[Ythan]

what do you have to say that MaB was scummy. like I said bring something up Ythan.

Considering I already posted how about read the game you replaced into. At least the bits relevant to your own cover.

This entire game you've just been talking as much as you can in the hopes that it will make everyone believe you.

Is that how you're going to try to spin it rather than addressing the points, as you can allegedly do without having contact with your predecessor? Quit deflecting scum. And also die.

putting 200 posts saying something doesn't make it true.

It's a shame that I spent all my posts repeating the same thing over and over. Oh wait.

Give a Reason

if you don't have a reason then slink away like the scum you are and wait till I'm offline to post your 200 lying posts.

Terrible OMGUS defense.

Even though Nik was scum I still don't like how that wagon came about.

Because it lynched your buddy?

Also, it does set precident. If Elli thought it would work then than me may have thought it would work again.

A did x so B is y likely to have done x. If your y is anything above maybe you're full of crap.

Die OMGUS obv scum.

[Ythan]

I do what? Laughable. Example or die faster.

Your responses to five and six are just bad. No matter what you say you

don't

know what he was thinking, and your attempt to justify his actions is framed ridiculously.

I didn't disprove my own anything. I criticized his argument, I didn't post an answer for the WIFOM. You made up a quality of the argument and used it to attack me?

I also hope people note who led the wagon. Maybe I'll draw a night kill.

[Ythan]

Rude? The specific post I'm referring to, if you'd read it, was about another player's idiotic actions. The fact that you are actually calling

me

obv scum just serves to further indicate how deep in the hole you are. Tip, OMGUS might not be the best way to climb out.

I

proved

your point? Lol.

Can we hurry up and lynch the more obvious of the two obvious scum here?

[Ythan]

Check out Pulindar/Pulindar/Pulindar instead.

[Ythan]

Does this read to anyone as anything other than player replaces into obv scum slot, gets all indignant trying to cover himself, it doesn't work.

[Ythan]

If you want to request the numbers for any specific posts go for it.

If you said the clouds were white and your predecessor had said that they were black I'd say your predecessor said they were black. The fact that you're posting all this ass-pulled interpretation of my play is making it worse.

Just keep saying you're town over and over. Don't by any means try to defend yourself with facts. And I'm the one repeating myself.

1 Uhm,

speed

game. And I'm not

trying

, you are definitely going down.
2 If you have thoughts to state then state them. Thought might actually help you.
3 Because I do have evidence and you're just blatantly lying.
4 I don't know who's town. I know you're not.

And yes blah blah blah we get it you say you're town. Most useless thing to say. If you want to fake claim at least include a PR so you might buy yourself a day.

[Ythan]

What's stopping him from posting thought? Time wasted on OMGUS?

[Ythan]

I said meta on one player doesn't apply to another. Pretty sure you haven't said anything that changes that. :3

I used the word specific. See where you quoted me saying it. :3

I'm not and I didn't answer the first time because it was a stupid and insincere question you used in an attempt to discredit me without having to touch the case against you. :3

I know what you were saying but you're wrong so I changed it to a metaphor that actually applies to the situation. :3

I'm not looking for any more clarification than your inevitable scum flip. You're the one who has things to explain. :3

Blah blah blah we know your claim. :3

[Ythan]

And as I said before you were trying to get people to lynch me immediately, that would have stopped me as death kinda stops people. I haven't read the rules, but I think I'm not allowed to post even a BAH post after I die.

Are you dead yet? Were you dead earlier when you said you wanted to post your thoughts?

[Ythan]

All I can find is a response that I'm too lazy to respond to because it's a blatant lie, but whatevs.

Care to be a bit more specific?

Yeah, blatant lies tend to be Ythan's trademark from what I've read so far.

Trademark? Is that why you're not posting them? Zing.

[Ythan]

That's alright, I'm sure you'll use specifics if you ever want to make a real case.

[Ythan]

Guy had bad luck replacing in. If he deserves more playing time there are a ton of other games. In

this

game he is obv scum and should be lynched.

[Ythan]

Every one of those posts has the number right next to it. What is it that you're looking for exactly? Try looking in iso if that's what's throwing you off.

I know you said you were serious. You also said you were town so I'm not predisposed to trust you.

I'm not trying to understand what you're saying in that particular point because there is nothing to be gained from it. You say I'm doing something, I'm not, I disagree and get back to getting you lynched.

[Ythan]

Ythan, is the word of the day 'specific'? Just asking.

Check out my games since the last one we played together, should be worth a laugh. Since you're not going to do that, in a nutshell I'll say it's the word of the year.

Also, your case against Pulindar is specific?

Yep.

[Ythan]

I'm not trying to live longer, I plan on dying tonight.

[Ythan]

No. Look him up in iso and the numbers match.

[Ythan]

Both.

[Ythan]

Look at the bottom of the page where it says "Display posts from previous:"

It's like my favorite feature on this site.

[Ythan]

HAHA LAUGH AT NACHO

[Ythan]

I TAKE IT BACK

[Ythan]

What amount of a hard-on would be appropriate?

Hayl I'm gonna be pissed if you edit that out of your post and leave me hanging.

To Ythan, From Hayl xxx

[Ythan]

Do your homework you.

[Ythan]

Do you mean just the cloud thing?

[Ythan]

I more or less said that your metaphor was wrong, and that my edited form would be right. The term you're looking for is straw man and it does not apply.

[Ythan]

Pay close attention to

how

he is defending himself.

[Ythan]

Guys...am I sweet and adorable? o.o

I thought yes and am now shocked and appalled.

[Ythan]

Someone has to compensate for your only having made 12 posts.

[Ythan]

You haven't said nearly as much as you seem to think and trying to paint the fact that I'm posting a lot as trying to be cool is just inane. If we're going to talk about rereading the thread then now would be a good time for you to take notice of my "who is scum and why" posts rather than blithering on about your overblown vision of spam in the thread.

[Ythan]

Pulindar, just read clergy in ISO. I was going to quote things that were scummy but I ended up quoting half their posts.

This doesn't count as contributing.

[Ythan]

Yeah no it does. He did the exact opposite of anything, I at least pointed it out.

[Ythan]

Pulindar, just read clergy in ISO. I was going to quote things that were scummy but I ended up quoting half their posts.

This doesn't count as contributing.

I don't particularly care. Clergy is scum. An ISO read of their posts should convince any player who knows anything about mafia.

How about you be constructive and make an attempt at least to point it out.

[Ythan]

I'm not the only person in this game. If you somehow think it's off track then, well.

[Ythan]

Halfhearted. Does not sell me on the case at all.

[Ythan]

If you want to ISO me that's your bag.

[Ythan]

I don't need to sell you on a case that SHOULD speak for itself.

This is entirely contrary to, I dunno,

Mafia

.

[Ythan]

Or, you play the way you think the game should be played and save it until endgame.

[Ythan]

Parama, you're calling scum based on extremely flimsy evidence. Your interpretation is one of a great number of possibilities. That's not evidence, it's a theory.

[Ythan]

I don't need to sell you on a case that SHOULD speak for itself.

This is entirely contrary to, I dunno,

Mafia

.

Well, I've given reason and evidence. Don't know what more you want - just ISO them already and you should see it clear as day.

You're saying players are scummy and to look for ourselves instead of counting on you to support your own case.

[Ythan]

What you're showing is dramonic disagreeing with the case. Are you trying to argue that he was defending his buddy? That he's been inconsistent? What are you looking at here?

[Ythan]

Parama, you're calling scum based on extremely flimsy evidence. Your interpretation is one of a great number of possibilities. That's not evidence, it's a theory.

Let's just agree to disagree then. You're just going to hate how I've decided to play this game.

No I'm just going to continue to push the case that (among other things) you're not backing up your own cases.

[Ythan]

Are you trying to argue that he was defending his buddy?

Obviously.

If that's true he wasn't doing a whole lot about it, was he?

[Ythan]

Parama, you're calling scum based on extremely flimsy evidence. Your interpretation is one of a great number of possibilities. That's not evidence, it's a theory.

Let's just agree to disagree then. You're just going to hate how I've decided to play this game.

No I'm just going to continue to push the case that (among other things) you're not backing up your own cases.

CSL I didn't have much to back up with.
Clergy I have given plenty of reason and plenty of evidence.
Stop spamming.

I'm not spamming here, but I'm interested in the fact that you took that route. And, you have

not

given

plenty

of evidence on Clergy, that I can see.

[Ythan]

You don't have to back it up, you're perfectly free to just call it a day. But that's no way to get a wagon going on your suspect.

[Ythan]

Ythan, here's a better question: Do you think clergyhoop is scum? If so, why? If not, why not?

Better than what other question? Anyway he's not on my list but he's not discounted. Right now my serious suspicions are on yourself and Mab.

[Ythan]

I think it was directed at me. Because of the quote tags.

[Ythan]

But I assure you there's enough for me to go on for a full-fledged case. I'm just too lazy to do it.

Are you serious. If Parama survives the day can a vig please take care of this.

[Ythan]

Are you seriously attacking Para for saying "let's lynch clergy" without making a case, when you've been doing the exact same thing for the past 4 pages to the new replacement?

You get that a replacement fills the same role as his predecessor?

[Ythan]

If anyone's made a useless post here I think it's a certain someone else. If you want me to reiterate my case at the top of every page or something so you can see it more easily I'll think about accommodating, but don't be so pushy about it if you haven't even asked. It's back there already and not too hard to find.

[Ythan]

camn

-Why is your Parama read town and not null? Is tunneling pro-town to you?
-Is McZ really lurking, or just not around?
-As for your read on me, don't bother doing anything aside from complaining or anything.

[Ythan]

VOTE : YTHAN

Yos deserves WAY more respect, rookie.

Forgive me for basing my level of respect for him off of this game I'm playing with him right now.

[Ythan]

Yeah at most I'm making pointless posts to reply to pointless posts so~

Anyone who is actually going to complain about it should hardly be the one propagating it.

[Ythan]

That is hardly all I've been saying over the past 55 or so posts. More to the point, if you don't find his history suspicious then don't vote for him? But going into how those things are suspect shouldn't I think be necessary in-game. Not for me anyway, and it's my vote I'm backing up.

[Ythan]

Camn, if Ythan is town but not scum, why is he a good lynch in your opinion? If he would shut up for a moment we could focus on scumhunting.

Yeah I apologize for preventing anyone else from being able to communicate. Oh wait.

[Ythan]

Camn, if Ythan is town but not scum, why is he a good lynch in your opinion? If he would shut up for a moment we could focus on scumhunting.

Yeah I apologize for preventing anyone else from being able to communicate. Oh wait.

Your major problem is hypocrisy IIRC.

Your major problem is going to be explaining how that makes a bit of sense.

[Ythan]

Where exactly did Nacho get into IIoA?

[Ythan]

Welp.
You're calling me out for posting without saying anything whilst doing twice that yourself.
You're calling me out on a lack of a case when your MaB/Pulindar case is even weaker. (Plus, you never really gave evidence)

Everything about your post is wrong. I'm

not

calling you out for posting without saying anything. My case is

not

weaker than yours because do you even have a "case"?

[Ythan]

How what things are suspect? I don't even know what "things" you find suspicious about his play. You babbled something about the random voting stage and something about how "defelcting the wagon on you by saying Nik was attacking is scummy" (which is just a terrible argument, btw), and that's it.

Iso I posted about him. And if you want to get specific about how that's not a good argument I'd love to hear your case that there's nothing wrong with his "I'm not scum the scum attacked me" defense. It's deflection, and deflection is deflection.

Wait, what?

The point of making a case is A. to convince other people, B. to get a response so you can read the person better, and C. so other people can read you.

Again, like you said, this is kind of how mafia is supposed to work. You refused to explain yourself to the replacement, and now you're refusing to explain yourself to me.

Actually did explain myself to the replacement. Explained plenty far enough.

You're the one who's so convinced he's scum, and you clearly have huge amounts of time on your hands; why is it that you're incapable of quoting a few posts of his and saying "These posts are scummy because of X"?

Technically, there's no reason to think I have more time but only that I'm using it more thoroughly (arguable but eh). More to the point, that was what my iso was for and do you really want me to go into more detail over it?

[Ythan]

:eyebrow:

You attacked Para because, and I quote:

No I'm just going to continue to push the case that (among other things) you're not backing up your own cases.

So why are you so unwilling to back up your own cases, Ythan?

Unfortunately for what would otherwise be a really nice rebuttal I'm not.

[Ythan]

Welp.
You're calling me out for posting without saying anything whilst doing twice that yourself.
You're calling me out on a lack of a case when your MaB/Pulindar case is even weaker. (Plus, you never really gave evidence)

Everything about your post is wrong. I'm

not

calling you out for posting without saying anything. My case is

not

weaker than yours because do you even have a "case"?

Indeed I do. I posted my reasons and I've given the evidence to back them up. I mean, they kinda got scattered all over the place since you've been posting too much but

Yeah no. Well technically it would be called evidence but that's not going to cut it.

[Ythan]

Repost for me so I don't have to look at other pages.

Yeah..

[Ythan]

Then I'll stop telling you to support your case, tomorrow, when you do it.

[Ythan]

MaB iso

0 You want RVS to be as big a waste a time as possible?
1 I don't see this request following from slow loading times.
5 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?
6 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?
8 Deflecting the case on you by pointing out that Nik pushed against you is scummy.
9 Yes there's a wagon on you and for good reason.
11 They very well could, when stacked up with your idiotic actions.
13 Pitiful attempt? Die scum.

affirm vote

Here's this. I'll expound in it where necessary and update it as is sorely needed.

Parama. I know you mentioned it. Even the post where you did was terrible. And do you honestly expect to get out of it by saying "I'll do it tomorrow"?

[Ythan]

But I assure you there's enough for me to go on for a full-fledged case. I'm just too lazy to do it.

And here's what you said, Para.

[Ythan]

0 You want RVS to be as big a waste a time as possible?

Not scummy. Still felt like saying it.

1 I don't see this request following from slow loading times.

Still don't. Not terribly significant but I don't see how it's any easier to wait for someone else to frame the thread for you so you don't have to do any work. Any easier on your searching anyway, certainly makes it easier to blend it.

5 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?

He as good as said it himself.

6 So you're useless and we should kill you instead of a contributing potential townie?

Here too. He's pretty much just wriggling out of responsibility to do anything pro-town.

8 Deflecting the case on you by pointing out that Nik pushed against you is scummy.

This one is pretty plain. He says that he's not scum because Nik attacked him rather than touching the accusations.

9 Yes there's a wagon on you and for good reason.

Not terribly meaningful but neither is the "Looks like I have votes on me" post he made.

11 They very well could, when stacked up with your idiotic actions.

Yes a case against you can include your buddy's "idiotic actions" as he first put it. Deflection.

13 Pitiful attempt? Die scum.

Still rather than address the case just calls it pitiful.

Next is the update part.

[Ythan]

If you're just going to keep saying you don't like my case then expect me to just not give a shit. I've posted plenty of evidence for myself and unless you're going to actually address a specific point there's nothing to argue apart from how much you like it.

[Ythan]

Nor do I know why you've made such a big deal out of this.

[Ythan]

I don't know why you've made such a big deal about this...

Nor do I know why you've made such a big deal out of this.

As we seem to have reached a consensus on something shall we leave it at that as far as the big deal goes?