Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Anon]

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

Vote: Nikanor.

I am that good.

[Anon]

I am that good.

No you're not.

Yes I am.

Why are you asking if someone is serious in the random voting stage?

[Anon]

Oh hai der guyz.
Mae = Town.

And Ythan too.

[Anon]

Actually Ythan reactions is as null as it can get. Will be something to evaluate after Nika's flip.

Now, if Nikanor isnt lynched by page 3 Ill be a very sad panda.

For my third town read of the day, I need to know if its DGB or Elibereth the one making the posts. Dippereth?

[Anon]

Actually Ythan reactions is as null as it can get. Will be something to evaluate after Nika's flip.

Now, if Nikanor isnt lynched by page 3 Ill be a very sad panda.

For my third town read of the day, I need to know if its DGB or Elibereth the one making the posts. Dippereth?

Nah, Ythan is nervous scum.
It's been both of us. This is Elli right now. Hi!

Think about it.

Ythan is pressured by camn and dgb, experienced ones in this game called mafia. If he were scum with Nika I definitely would expect him to a)not even post at all or b)to succumb to the pressure and bus his "partner". Defending a scumpartner being pressured is pretty much suicide. More likely Ythan is townie with no amazing deductive powers and trying to play it calm.

Finally I would be more sure of your towniness if DGB were the one posting. But so far you both are good, so yeah.

[Anon]

Lol at csl kill.

I did some reread with Nikanon being confirmed scum.

By page 2, Dripereth and Ythan are obv non scum with Nika.

Maemuki is almost there.

Automatically next voters are less likely to be townies and more likely scum bussers. Yosarian, clergyman

Some blatant defense in 69 by dramonic. Knowing dramonic and his play level I think this is more likely a town maneuver

Clergyman's 75 is wtf. So here comes the debate if clergyman is able to defend a scumpartner with NO basis at all and wifomize our asses for future defense. For the NO basis thing I think its very likely.

Nachomann voting camn using competing wagon ftw is scummy as hell knowing the principal wagon was on scum.

Parama in page 5-6-7 is looking more and more like incompetent townie rather than scum with Nikanor.

McZombie is so bussing scum in 186.

Also Spyrex is scum in 199. Ive read tons of games with Spyrex town. Natural leader, trying to get a good grip of the wagons and commenting a lot of what there had to be commented. Never never in the life you see him posting two lines in his first post in a game.

Mmm, Nikanor in 205 is singling out MaB for scum. Need moar info to find out if this is scum going for easy target in desesperate maneuver or bussing maneuver.

Weaboo is also subtly defending Nikanor without saying he isnt scum.

Yosarian getting angry in 361 rings me townie.

Then it all gets theory shit. And Parama hammers Nikanor.

Good morning all.

[Anon]

People that so need to die.

Spyrex
Clergyhoop
Miserable at Best
.... little gap
Nacho
McZombie

Vote: Spyrex.

Pretty sure with my read here. Ive seen Spyrex town and this isnt Spyrex town.

Now I can go behind Clergy and Miserable because they are taking the air I need to breathe with his scummy noses. Nacho and McZombie, Id suggest posting scumlists in following post. TIA.

Also Weaboo dont waste my time and come up with what you have.

[Anon]

I thought you would improve after that iso 0 of yours that stinks so bad.

But you are still lacking.

And its day 2.

Hence why you are scum.

[Anon]

That was directed at Spyrex, btw.

[Anon]

Im interested in something, Spyrex.

Also, this wagon on Nik is sooooooo scummy.

Second, the Nik wagon: Worst... Wagon... EVER...

DGB, I see where you're coming from, but I still am kinda sceptical, I've seen Nik scum and it didn't look like that.

Why is dramonic DIE SCUM DIE and clergyman town for doing basically the same thing?

[Anon]

Guys, just an advice from a friend. Posting a lot about the GAME* is a cool thing, yeah, I know it. It helps to reread you better and such. But spamming is a whole different stuff.

So, STOP SPAMMING THE THREAD. It doesnt make you look cooler. It makes me hate you.

Thx very much.

Ill need more time to digest this new guy Pulindar. MAB was scummy as hell but this guy is at least actively defending himself and seems too aggressive to be a scumbag trying to avoid unnecessary votes.

In another topic, I am starting to get really bothered with comments that are trying to say that the wagon on Nika yesterday was just based on luck and that it was full of phail and such.

If you truly believe that, then you are either scum trying to undermine the succesful lynch yesterday or a really terrible player at mafia. There were plenty of reasons to think Nikascum. You are free to disagree with them, but for some people, Nika was a bag full of scumtells from page 1.

Spyrex is still scum. But seems nobody is interested in him at the moment and my case is purely based on meta that some are reluctant to believe. And I understand it.

Ill go with second choice.

Unvote Vote: Clergyhoops.

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*yeah, you lost it.

[Anon]

Guys...am I sweet and adorable? o.o

I thought yes and am now shocked and appalled.

STOP SPAMMING THE THREAD SERIOUSLY.

@Pulindar, you seem to have a lot of time. What about if we make a deal? What about if you reread the thread, use your new isolation powers to find out what Nikanorscum said and such, and you tell me who do you think is scum and why?

[Anon]

Someone has to compensate for your only having made 12 posts.

Pretty sure I have said more than you in these 12 posts.

You think posting a lot of noise makes you cooler?

Hint: it doesnt.

This is the last post where Im going to talk about it. If you are town and you really want to win the game then cut the spam and post more game thoughts. You have a lot of time, it seems. Go reread the whole game and tell me who is scum and why.

[Anon]

Camn, why arent you voting for someone?

[Anon]

Camn, why arent you voting for someone?

1. Ythan is totally knocking this game off track...and I watch in horror.
2. I would like MaB's replacement to have a chance to get a hold of things..

Clegyman case doesnt interest you?

What about Spyrex}?

[Anon]

Here is where I am sitting at the moment:

Fact:

Nikanorscum lynched day 1 with some resistance and a possible counterwagon in CSL at some point of the day .

Theory:

Scum never put all his eggs on a basket.

What does this mean?

If we assume 4 scum, which is reasonable with 17 players then I think its extremely possible that there is 1-2 scum bussing and 1-2 scum out of the wagon and very likely defending Nikanor. Considering how fast the wagon went, if I had to guess, I would go with 1 scum bussing, 1 scum defending and 1 scum with no opinion.

In the lynch wagon:

camn, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki

, McZombie,

CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex,

Parama.

Out of the lynch wagon: Dramonic,

Weaboo

, clergyman, kmd, nacho, yosa, miserableatbest.

Interestengly enough, I have a lot of reliable town reads on the lynch wagon, except by McZombie and Spyrex. And all fit in the category of the bussing scumbag for the type of posts used to vote Nikanor.

Now, my reads in the out of the lynch wagon are less reliable. I really think dramonic is more likely the wrong townie rather than the scumbag trying to save an inevitable lynch and use wifom for defense but I could be underestimating him and get this wrong. I cant say the same of clergyhoops for obvious reasons*. Kmd, nacho and yosa are kinda ok, still not sure, and palindar like a good wine, has gotten better with every post he makes, but still MaB's scummy ghost makes me rethink this decision.

*My problem with clergyhoops is that I dont understand what was the reason for clearing Nikanor with no basis at all. Clergy, help me here?

Nikanor is town. This wagon should be ashamed of itself.

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If I had to guess right now the scumteam is Spyrex, Hoops and some pesky one that should come up when other scumbags die in order.

[Anon]

Pulindar is like a reverse Ythan in so many levels, except in the content department. Sigh. Mastin alt maybe?

I think this is extremely lynchable.

mmm I musta missed that. Honestly it was and accident, I mixed up this game and another where I had already claimed VT. Sorry I replaced into three games at the same time this one's moving faster, but the other already has 80 pages, and the last is newbie. I mixed up where I had already claimed.

I had not claimed earlier (I just ISOed my posts to check) But I stand by the fact that I am VT (actually I couldn't find a claim in any of my new games I wonder where I got confused) Whatever. It happens. So, yes I claimed then. I stand by the decision because it's not a role to keep secret. There's no point in claiming a false role that I don't have.

Unvote Vote: Pulindar.

[Anon]

My theory is that Pulindar got scared when Yosa told him that vanilla claims get lynched, implied he wasnt vanilla in this game using the excuse of the another game and then when he realized someone would ask him he came up with this shit of "I wonder where I got confused".

I just cant simply let someone live after a chain of very likely lies.

[Anon]

Even if Clergyhoops is at L-1000000 I would like him to claim.

Im not a fan of getting to L-1 to claim and sadly thats the consensus shrug. In a perfect word, I would like all my suspects to claim the moment I start suspecting him and then evaluate which is a fakeclaim and wich is fo real.

All that "Ill claim when L-1" BS is the perfect excuse for fakeclaims.

[Anon]

My theory is that Pulindar got scared when Yosa told him that vanilla claims get lynched, implied he wasnt vanilla in this game using the excuse of the another game and then when he realized someone would ask him he came up with this shit of "I wonder where I got confused".

I just cant simply let someone live after a chain of very likely lies.

That is true... My scumdar is spinning out of control... help!

Love your last few posts. The very essence of towniness. If you could bottle it you'd be a millionaire.

<3

What makes you think Pulindar is town?

[Anon]

A Clergyman with a Hoop
I like camn's point, pointing out breadcrumbs is scummy, but still I like ClergyHoop.

Good defenses, reasonable logic. Town lean for sure.

A Clergyman with a Hoop - Scummish

Pulindar, the first one is your read of clergyman at today's 12:18 PM GMT-5.

I dont remember clergyman posting at all after that post.

What exactly changed your "town lean for sure" to "scummish" read in this small interval of time? 5 hours, to be more precise.

[Anon]

Where is Spyrex analysis in that post?

[Anon]

Also you all can drop the hammer charade. Yes, you too serialhoops.

Im headdesking right now deciding wether hoops is actually town or a really raelly brilliant scumbag.

[Anon]

This is what is bothering the most:

Anyways, leave Spyrex alone, vigman.

Again here is the final vote-count of the day. But I'm going to green out players I think are town, and probably didn't bus Nikanor;

Nikanor

- camn, Anon,

Drippereth, Maemuki, McZombie, CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex,

Parama

~

I wanted to green

camn

and

Anon

, but I get a gut feeling one them might be bussing very hard. I think it's a very slim chance and not worth considering by itself. The rest of their play feels town - Anon's 775 is goodposting, and makes him probably not scum. Camn is appearing town as usual too, but I've yet to see any of her scum games and am paranoid to rule her out. I think it's likeliest there is only 0-1 scum being on the final lynch-count.

Why dont you conclude Spyrex scum in this analysis when its painfully obvious? Why not even mention it? Why even tell the vig to leave alone in a previous post?!

[Anon]

Clergyman, claim already.

[Anon]

Why did you do this DGB?

CLAIM

[Anon]

... I just reread... Anon is right

HooplaSerial never got above L-2 0_o

Nah, it's a lynch.
We would still very much appreciate a claim! We can get some tea and crumpets and talk about it through twlight.

you yelled L-1 at L-3
What part of town shouldn't lie is hard to grasp?

Why are you trying to bring suspicion to the most townie player ever?

Are you even reading the game?

[Anon]

Im convinced.

Unvote Vote: Spyrex.

[Anon]

This still bothers me

This is what is bothering the most:

Anyways, leave Spyrex alone, vigman.

Again here is the final vote-count of the day. But I'm going to green out players I think are town, and probably didn't bus Nikanor;

Nikanor

- camn, Anon,

Drippereth, Maemuki, McZombie, CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex,

Parama

~

I wanted to green

camn

and

Anon

, but I get a gut feeling one them might be bussing very hard. I think it's a very slim chance and not worth considering by itself. The rest of their play feels town - Anon's 775 is goodposting, and makes him probably not scum. Camn is appearing town as usual too, but I've yet to see any of her scum games and am paranoid to rule her out. I think it's likeliest there is only 0-1 scum being on the final lynch-count.

Why dont you conclude Spyrex scum in this analysis when its painfully obvious? Why not even mention it? Why even tell the vig to leave alone in a previous post?!

[Anon]

I think its pretty likely there is at least one scum bussing there considering how the wagon developed with "no case" at all. Dont you think? Spyrex vote is like the worse there and considering the other townie reads and his lacking behavior, Id still say he is a healthy vig/lynch target.

Anyways, once again, a better suspect emerges. All I can is honor my avatar and contribute.

It amuses me how it seems more than half the players want me dead and I'm still alive

lol

Unvote Vote: dramonic.

[Anon]

Wait, something is not right.

Why would Spyrexscum bus dramonicscum early today after a day 1 scum lynch with a lot of better suspects?

Help.

[Anon]

I'm not trying to live longer, I plan on dying tonight.

I have a serious question for you Ythan..

Why do you think you will die tonight?

Can I get an answer?

What is the point of this question?

[Anon]

All that has gone through my mind. The guess is unlikely and losing another scumpartner as early as day 2 for town cred is not much win.

Im seriously starting to think that we are dealing with Spyrex scum going behind easy target dramonic while at the same time buddying up to Clergyhoops. I talked about this early in my iso 9:

Im interested in something, Spyrex.

Also, this wagon on Nik is sooooooo scummy.

Second, the Nik wagon: Worst... Wagon... EVER...

DGB, I see where you're coming from, but I still am kinda sceptical, I've seen Nik scum and it didn't look like that.

Why is dramonic DIE SCUM DIE and clergyman town for doing basically the same thing?

Taking into account that dramonic isnt as talkative as clergyman, Id say they both took strong stances, in their own posting patterns, against the Nik lynch.

In the other hand, dramonic's iso 12 doesnt stop bothering me.

you know, you should stop listening to Dripberreth fellas <<

she may be town, doesnt change she's not a good source for reads...

Yeah, this really feels like he knew something.

I need to think about this

Camn, you are focusing on a player that is likely town. I dont know what are your opinions on recent events. Care to share please?

[Anon]

That makes more sense.

You know what is the interesting thing?

Spyrex is scum in all scenarios.

Are you all sure you dont want a Spyrexlycnh today?

[Anon]

I want Dramonic to claim first, we can talk about the rest after that.
...? at Ythan.

Im actually more sure of my Spyrex read but I wouldnt mind a dramonic claim. Hence why I havent removed my vote.

Also how does Palindar fit with this new information?

[Anon]

Sorry kiddos but this HAS to be done today.

Vote: Spyrex.

Dramonic lynch is pretty non optymal even if he is scum, which honestly Im still pondering. And while not in disagreement with the Nacho tangent, I really think Spyrex has to go today.

Also, where the hell is Starbuck?

[Anon]

Dramonic lynch is a bad idea.

Nacho, Anon, Ythan, or Mae is the way to go.

ITP, I start being paranoid about KMD.

Why Nacho, why Anon, why Ythan, why Mae?

Why not Spyrex?

[Anon]

Hai guys! I'm one of your replacements. I apologize for my delay as I've been sick the last few days.

Any advice as to where I should start reading?

The thread is only 20ish pages worthy.

You should avoid pretty much everything a player Ythan said, that is the 20ish other pages left.

I recommend reading day 1, specially they way the Nikanorscum wagon developed and such.

[Anon]

Today I felt like repeating myself:

Here is where I am sitting at the moment:

Fact:

Nikanorscum lynched day 1 with some resistance and a possible counterwagon in CSL at some point of the day .

Theory:

Scum never put all his eggs on a basket.

What does this mean?

If we assume 4 scum, which is reasonable with 17 players then I think its extremely possible that there is 1-2 scum bussing and 1-2 scum out of the wagon and very likely defending Nikanor. Considering how fast the wagon went, if I had to guess, I would go with 1 scum bussing, 1 scum defending and 1 scum with no opinion.

In the lynch wagon:

camn, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki

, McZombie,

CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex,

Parama.

Out of the lynch wagon: Dramonic,

Weaboo

, clergyman, kmd, nacho, yosa, miserableatbest.

Interestengly enough, I have a lot of reliable town reads on the lynch wagon, except by McZombie and Spyrex. And all fit in the category of the bussing scumbag for the type of posts used to vote Nikanor.

Now, my reads in the out of the lynch wagon are less reliable. I really think dramonic is more likely the wrong townie rather than the scumbag trying to save an inevitable lynch and use wifom for defense but I could be underestimating him and get this wrong.

I cant say the same of clergyhoops for obvious reasons

*. Kmd, nacho and yosa are kinda ok, still not sure, and palindar like a good wine, has gotten better with every post he makes, but still MaB's scummy ghost makes me rethink this decision.

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If I had to guess right now the scumteam is Spyrex,

Hoops

and some pesky one that should come up when other scumbags die in order.

Sorry kiddos but this HAS to be done today.

Vote: Spyrex.

Dramonic lynch is pretty non optymal even if he is scum, which honestly Im still pondering. And while not in disagreement with the Nacho tangent, I really think Spyrex has to go today.

Also, where the hell is Starbuck?

Kmd, I want your case against me now. Calling me scummy with no really basis is very antitown if not scummy. It seems that its mostly a gut thing from day 1 which its pretty nonlogical.

[Anon]

You guys should probably consider not lynching Ythan not even in the long future. Even if you hate him.

To be honest I was going to complain, once again, why is Spyrex still alive, but nacho decided to give up and give us another scumbag with plenty of information that Id love t dig. And I contribute:

Unvote Vote: Nacho.

Why did he confess? One thing Im sure, it has to be scum in his wagon.

[Anon]

If he's going down for the good of scum then it makes sense that scum would be on the wagon. Unless the good he's doing for scum is incriminating those on his wagon? This isn't exactly a situation with which I am familiar.

I dont think he would have given up if there werent at least one scum in his wagon. And considering how happy he is to die, Im starting to think we might be facing a scumplayer in our town reads.

[Anon]

Jesters aren't Normal are they?

unvote vote Nachomamma8

Nah he fought at the beginning of the wagon.

Why did it take you too long to vote?

[Anon]

Vote: Spyrex.

Still havent done the nacho analysis but it would likely go online tomorrow. Spyrex is scum in basically 99.9999999% of all scenarios. If you still have doubts about this, seriously go read a game of Spyrextown. The difference is abysmal.

Also wtf town godfather? Anyone has ever heard of that?

[Anon]

Oh and whomever killed Ythan. Even if that person is scum.

THANK YOU. THIS GAME IS 100000000 COOLER THAN BEFORE.

[Anon]

I skimmed some of Nacho0s posts before going out partying. I think this is the more important and the one I should be analyzing tomorrow. I suggest all of you do so. Just from a quick skim, lol im not tunneling, but spyrex is a very good candidate for bussing, kmd and pulindar are town and Im starting to have a bad feeling about yosa2. More, reasons included, tomorrow.

Okay. I'm fine with camn voting me dead, but KMD and SpyreX?

KMD is lurking on point with me, and Spyrex isn't much better. I think that it's a really good idea to note that KMD is protesting the dramonic lynch, and he's also has a town read on someone who isn't really posting a whole lot of content.

I'm confused as to where KMD's scum read on Anon is coming from. The things about Anon he's been "saying all game" are some scummy stuff he's done on page 1. As for Anon himself, I've seen a lot of protown posts from him (SEE: ISO 15), and, as I look over Spyrex a little closer, I definitely agree with the scum read.

Camn's talk of Dramonic's vig-hunting is weird to me. The possibility of a scum gunsmith is pretty small, IMO, and if he was vig hunting, I'd think that he'd simply claim vig and get it over with. The chance of him dying without the scumteam learning anything at all would be extremely small...

Drippereth is town.

I'm still annoyed at KMD's blatant hypocrisy... And I really hate how he doesn't describe any of his reads; Anon and Mae seem like random names pulled out of a hat.

Mae is town. She's careful about the day ending too early... her read on Pulindar is wrong, though.

Parama's been looking more and more town lately. At first, I just thought he was scum buddying Drip, but he's learned how to think on his own. Needs to explain his dramonic case better, though.

Pulindar's town. I've already explained this, though.

Spyrex is not as scummy as KMD, but he's still pretty scummy.

Starbuck/McZombie = Null. I didn't know McZombie was ever in this game...

Weaboo is... town? Maybe? I don't know, he need to post more.

Not sure about Yosarian2 lately. But he's town for right now because he definitely hasn't done anything to make me think differently.

Ythan is Ythan. He posts so much I really don't have a read on him... I don't find myself agreeing with him a whole lot, and I hated his attacks on Pulindar, so probably cum.

[Anon]

Isolation of Nachomama

Nachoman is really pushing hard against MaB in iso 2-3-5.

Got a bad feeling of the convo with Yosa2 in iso 6. Yosa2 suspicion feels forced and Nacho's response is less impressive:

Massive defending of confirmed scum?

Now I'm just trying to win the race. You aren't helping, by the way...
Vote MaB for 2010!

Then he 180s on him and calls him town after Pulindar replaces. This reduces the likeliness of scumpartnership like in a 100%, specially considering how likely Pulindar was about to be lynched at that period of time.

Now

iso 16

is good stuff.

KMD is lurking on point with me, and Spyrex isn't much better. I think that it's a really good idea to note that KMD is protesting the dramonic lynch, and he's also has a town read on someone who isn't really posting a whole lot of content.

Typical attack on a townie player while not trying to forget about his scumpartner, variation of "Vote:town, FoS:scumpartner" maneuver. Yes, this means kmd town, spyrex scum.

Lol, he did it again.

Spyrex is not as scummy as KMD, but he's still pretty scummy.

All of the rest of his reads are less reliable but Id say that drip, kmd, mae and pulindar are town just for the security of the reads (massive buddying) and there is a big question mark in spyrex's, zombie's, weaboo's and yosa2's heads, just for the fencesitting of the read.

Also wtf, where is dramonic analysis in that post?

While I think about that, Ill just leave this here:

Confirm Vote: Spyrex.

[Anon]

Why was I prodded? I posted yesterday.

I dont have anything else to say until Spyrex gets lynched. I can feel the pain he has when he is trying to fake his townie meta.

[Anon]

Both quotes you gave pair KMD and I together BUT I'm the scum and KMD is town?

And he left out dramonic at all and that's no bells?

Woooossshhhh

Yeah, pretend Im nacho for a second

omg player A is scummy and Ill be sure you all read this in case I die and turn out scum, but player B is even more scummy so Ill just push a paragraph, stupid case against him but dont forget player A is also scummy

If you cant see why player A is the scum and player B is the town in this example, I can do nothing to help you.

Also yeah you guessed right. You are player A. Have some stars!

[Anon]

If you cant tell thats massive buddying up with some nice bussing on the mix, once again, I cant help you with it.

Lets try an interesting exercise. Ill post what Nacho said exactly about you and KMD in that post.

KMD
KMD is lurking on point with me,

Spyrex
and Spyrex isn't much better.

KMD
I think that it's a really good idea to note that KMD is protesting the dramonic lynch, and he's also has a town read on someone who isn't really posting a whole lot of content.

Spyrex
and Spyrex isn't much better.

KMD
I'm still annoyed at KMD's blatant hypocrisy... And I really hate how he doesn't describe any of his reads; Anon and Mae seem like random names pulled out of a hat.

Spyrex
and Spyrex isn't much better.

That is the stupid case. That is how a scumbag tries to mislynch someone while trying to distance with his partner.

[Anon]

Okay Im not being fair.

Lets try an interesting exercise 2. Ill post what Nacho said exactly about you and KMD in that post.

KMD
KMD is lurking on point with me,

Spyrex
and Spyrex isn't much better.

KMD
I think that it's a really good idea to note that KMD is protesting the dramonic lynch, and he's also has a town read on someone who isn't really posting a whole lot of content.

Spyrex
and, as I look over Spyrex a little closer, I definitely agree with the scum read.

KMD
I'm still annoyed at KMD's blatant hypocrisy... And I really hate how he doesn't describe any of his reads; Anon and Mae seem like random names pulled out of a hat.

Spyrex
Spyrex is not as scummy as KMD, but he's still pretty scummy.

That is the stupid case 2. That is how a scumbag tries to mislynch someone while trying to distance with his partner2.

[Anon]

lol, it doesnt get any better, ya know?

[Anon]

Also lurking is your biggest scumtell. Are you going to deny that?

[Anon]

It feels forced in a "I dont like it" way, very gutsy, doesnt feel natural. I cant explain my gut.

Aout Spyrex, lol, are you serious yosa? Im chasing Spyrex even before nacho was lynched. What do you think of his play compared with others play from him, both alignments? Lurking is a scumtell for him, yes or no? Not being a natural leader is a scumtell for him, yes or no?

The Nacho post is just the cherry on the top.

What valid conclusion can you get from Nacho's posts, Yosarian?

[Anon]

This is how I see Spyrextown:

Ive read tons of games with Spyrex town. Natural leader, trying to get a good grip of the wagons and commenting a lot of what there had to be commented. Never never in the life you see him as town posting two lines in his first post in a game, never in the life you see him lurking in day 1, even if the day lasted minutes. He knows that as town he is very likely to get night killed so he has to play day 1.

[Anon]

I knew I was forgetting something.

Hey Spyrex, why I am scum?

[Anon]

- POE, ok.

- Im not neglecting my better avenue for focusing just in my yes, awesome, meta case. Its still there, in my isos and for people paying attention. I just dont know what else to do to lynch you.

- OMGUS, ok.

- What is your town meta, Spyrex? Seriously now, are you playing to your town meta in this game?

- Kmd prob town and you prob scum just from analyzing one post its not an invention from moi. It has basis. Attacking a player while at the same time distancing from another one is a common technique from inexperienced mafia like Nacho.

- What does Starbuck even have to do with this?

[Anon]

Wow. Just wow.

Nothing Anon has done feels like real scumhunting; it all feels like a scum pretending to scumhunt.

What gives you the impression Im "pretending" to scumhunt?

Besides that, Anon has done pretty much no scumhunting all game

Bullshit

, Yosarian.

Explain CLEARLY why specially my isos 5,6,16 and 45 are not pure scumhunting. You can say all the crap you want and disagree all you want but provide reasons to support your statements.

other then tunneling on Spyrex without any good reason.

Bullshit x2:

I have my good reasons that you still havent explained why they arent good:

I will repeat them just for your reading pleasure:

- Lack of posts, content of posts, in comparison with other games where Ive read him as town.
- Buddying to clergyhoops and attacking dramonic for both doing basically the same thing: defending nikanor in day 1. Explained in my iso 9.
- Scummy connection with flipped scum nacho explained in my iso 45.
- Freaking meta.
- And this little piece of wagon analysis:

If we assume 4 scum, which is reasonable with 17 players then I think its extremely possible that there is 1-2 scum bussing and 1-2 scum out of the wagon and very likely defending Nikanor. Considering how fast the wagon went, if I had to guess, I would go with 1 scum bussing, 1 scum defending and 1 scum with no opinion.

In the lynch wagon:

camn

,

Anon, Drippereth

,

Maemuki

, McZombie,

CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex,

Parama.

Out of the lynch wagon:

Dramonic

, Weaboo,

clergyman

, kmd,

nacho

, yosa, miserableatbest.

Interestengly enough, I have a lot of reliable town reads on the lynch wagon, except by McZombie and Spyrex. And all fit in the category of the bussing scumbag for the type of posts used to vote Nikanor.

and he never even mentioned Nacho.

Bullshit x3:

Nachomann voting camn using competing wagon ftw is scummy as hell knowing the principal wagon was on scum.

Dramonic lynch is pretty non optymal even if he is scum, which honestly Im still pondering. And while not in disagreement with the Nacho tangent, I really think Spyrex has to go today.

So Yosa2, should we lynch you for bullshitting the thread with lies or you want to lrn 2 read before posting?

[Anon]

Also, Yosa2, if your case is basically fake scumhunting or lack of scumhunting, answer me one little question:

How is Spyrex better than me in the scumhunting department? Please provide quotes and number of posts comparing both players. TIA.

[Anon]

Vote: Spyrex.

L-2.

I want to hear all these INTERESTING REVELATIONS AND MYSTERY PRIZES as soon as he gets back. I need to check what Spyextown thinks of softclaims like these.

[Anon]

Is it really a vacation, or a case of "a good fakeclaim takes an eternity?"

Good fakeclaim.

Awesome, now perhaps we'll get somewhere here.

Yes, like I proving you wrong in saying I hadnt scumhunted AT at ALL.

And now you saying that I have a consistent pattern in my scumhunting.

Also, lol at you understanding why DGB is attacking Spyrex with vote analysys when

I

was the first one that concluded Spyrex was scum based on the same vote analysis that I myself compiled.

Yosa2, you missed one question:

How is Spyrex better than me in the scumhunting department?

[Anon]

What should I respond to you?

You magically have concluded Im scum because of:

- Gut:

Eh. Like I said, it's gut. A bunch of your posts, specfically, feel off to me.

I cant fight your gut.

- You dont like my scumhunting techniques, think are fake and such.
I cant help you if you dont think wagon analysis, meta analysys and dead scum analysys has found scum since day 0.

- You dont like how I am attacking Spyrex.

I dislike the way you were attacking Spyrex. DGB, I completly understand why she's attacking Spyrex; she's doing one of those vote analyis "there's always one scum on the wagon"

When I just proved you wrong in telling you that I WAS THE ONE that started with the vote analysis.

I also dont know how you magically have conluded Spyrex is town because of a bunch of posts. And specially that first one that in the context of the Nikanor wagon is scummy as hell.

So yeah basically I think you are scum here trying to craft an impossible and stupid case and concluding Im scum for nulltells and blatant MISTAKES.

[Anon]

I will answer everything you want Yosa2 as soon as I come back from having some drinks.

But first let me lol at this.

I've found 2.

Yosa2, please quote exactly your posts where you "found" Nikanor and Nachomamma with, I assume, the solid reasoning and arguments that you used to explain why these two were scum.

I extend this cute exercise to everyone ITT. Just click on the little menu down the page that isolates Yosarian2's posts, press Ctrl+F and type "Nik" and "Nacho". Read the reasons our friend Yosa2 used to vote confirmed scum.

See you later.

[Anon]

Except Ive been scumhunting.

Cut the crap, Yosa2. You are free to disagree with my scumhunting methods and yell all the hell you want "omg fake scumhunting", but I HAVE SCUMHUNTED.

Even worse, did CSL ever scumhunt? Ythan? Maemuki? Dramonic? Were they all scum? Was even one of them scum?

NO.

The reasons you used to vote your scumpartners Nacho and Nikanor ARE NOT conclusive at all. You trying to paint them as conclusive and as the only reasons to explain how you "found" two scum is scummy as hell. As my little exercise proved, you never had solid reasoning, nor good arguments that explained why these two were scum. And you accusing me of doing the same thing is just the cherry on the top.

I think our scumteam is found. GG.

[Anon]

Yeah, Anon is town.

Does anyone thing KMD is town??? I want answers.

Still kinda paranoid about him but him clearing me when Spyrex was trying to test the waters for my mislynch ring me kmdtownie.

I think its yosa-spyrex.

[Anon]

Also interaction with nachoscum screams kmdtown. What is your take on him?

[Anon]

Dear Yosa2:

The subject here is not to debate weather scumhunting is or is not a scumtell.

Scumhunting, as all tells, is not conclusive. And since its such a subjective tell, I find it even harder to think that you are using this as a conclusive evident to suspect me, which is not even true since I am scumhunting. And its even stranger that you are using this tell as the only way to support how you found two scum.

The subject here is how you got your AMAZING deductive powers to find out who is scumhunting, who is fake scumhunting and who is not scumhunting, and proceed to decide who is scum based on that.

For example, is this post by this user "OMG ANON SCUMRZO" scumhunting?

viewtopic.php?p=2133132#2133132

I assume it ceratainly is, since its the same vote analysys that you are using to understand DGB's motives to suspect Spyrex. Why is DGB oh so good and Anon oh so fake?

How do you know Mae was not fake scumhuting? And I want, solid argumentation, not gut crap. What about dramonic? Did he ever scumhunt? When Nacho posted his player by player analysis, was he scumhunting, fake scumhunting or as you say, no scumhunting at all?

And if we are talking about OMGUS, you are the one who is OMGUSing me since I was the first to express my doubts about you after isolating Nacho yesterday.

[Anon]

Yosa2, I wasnt in the site all yesterday. If you want to keep bullshitting the thread with stupid attacks you could at least check my other games to confirm that.

Ok, Im going to take my POWERFUL WIZARD Spyrexscum glasses for a second and try to analyse the claim with no bias activated.

What I like

- Confirmed targets, Drip and Yosa.

What I dont like

- The softclaims that werent even conclusive information(mystery prizes and interesting revelations). Reason to track Drip is terribad and I dont get the Yos investigation and not the Anon investigation even when I was upper in the scumlist.
- Didnt claim night choices even when he knew he was heavily pressured. The "you know what, here you go" when finally giving his targets, in 1506 sounds fake, like he really held that card for a while. Why not do it in the first claim, even if he was going in a vacation?
- Spyrex can still be a scum tracker.

What I dont understand.

- Weabbo and dramonic situations.

Spyrex, please clarify the Weaboo and dramonic situations. That means that night 2 you were roleblocked, didnt get a result or something like that? And in night 3, you targetted Weaboo, he didnt go anywhere and IIRC, he said he was roleblocked. Didnt that make you think he was scum? Or am I missing something?

Conclusion

There are still some things that dont feel right in the Spyrex claim. Im very close to believe he is a tracker, just for the confirmed targets and such. Which in NO WAY means he is confirmed town. Optimal play is to let Spyrex get another investigation regardless of alignment or if he is town, let scum decide if he is worth the risk. Informational claims, with still some room for lylo, mostly check themselves.

Unvote.

Now, dear viewers, stay tuned for more and to finally find out who Anon is going to vote.

[Anon]

Should be pretty obvious. Just some little gems for Yosascum2' last post.

Because scum-Anon really wants to lynch SpyreX for the same reason he tried to lynch Dramonic earlier in the game

- First I dont want to lynch Spyrex, at least for today. See optimal play above. And since when trying to lynch dramonic is a scumtell. Are you freaking serious?

I guarantee you that if SpyreX is town, which he pretty clearly is now

Why is Spyrex pretty clearly town now? He is far from being pretty clearly town now. SCUM FAIL.

I guarantee you that if SpyreX is town, which he pretty clearly is now, there is currently at least one scum on his wagon

ORLY?

she's doing one of those vote analyis "there's always one scum on the wagon" things she always does, and while I've never been convinced that that actually works

We should lynch this scum asap. PRONTO.

Vote: Yosarian2

[Anon]

Spyrex, what do you think of Yosarian2?

Also Starbuck is prob town. Giving up in a fast game is pretty much putting you a "lynch me" neon sign in your ass, aka suicide. and I dont think scum can afford to lose another member so fast. Unless she is faking it which for the tone is unlikely and pretty much stupid.

Gogogo Yosarian lynch.

[Anon]

Im already missing Dripereth

Starbuck lynch: total fail.

Yosa this.

Should be pretty obvious. Just some little gems for Yosascum2' last post.

Because scum-Anon really wants to lynch SpyreX for the same reason he tried to lynch Dramonic earlier in the game

- First I dont want to lynch Spyrex, at least for today. See optimal play above. And since when trying to lynch dramonic is a scumtell. Are you freaking serious?

I guarantee you that if SpyreX is town, which he pretty clearly is now

Why is Spyrex pretty clearly town now? He is far from being pretty clearly town now. SCUM FAIL.

I guarantee you that if SpyreX is town, which he pretty clearly is now, there is currently at least one scum on his wagon

ORLY?

she's doing one of those vote analyis "there's always one scum on the wagon" things she always does, and while I've never been convinced that that actually works

We should lynch this scum asap. PRONTO.

Vote: Yosarian2

Results plz and double combo

Vote: Yosarian2.

.

[Anon]

I'm so frustrated with this game at this point. If anyone wants to actually play mafia, has anything they actually want to discuss or question or try to figure out, let me know. Otherwise, have fun losing.

Keep appealing to emotion with 0 votes, scumbago.

[Anon]

There must have been at least scum on SpyreX's wagon when he was at lynch -1 and claimed, and when DGB and others kept attacking him and thus giving scum cover to do so, or he would have been hammered. That is obvious. Therefore, either you or Pulindar must be scum, since the other two people on the wagon are confirmed.

What?

What?

What?

Are you like FREAKING serious? Your reasoning is scummy as hell. Even if Spyrex was at L-1 and DGB and others were attacking him like crazy, IN NO WAY, and read that carefully, IN NO WAY, that means that there had to be scum in his wagon 100% like the crap you are trying to pull. If Spyrex is town, scum could have stayed out of the wagon or scum could have just got afraid of the claim, and this is just two of the possibilities that I can come up in seconds. Which is even crappier reasoning since it doesnt take into account the probability that Spyrex can still be scum.

Of course SpyreX is quite clearly town now. There's no way a scum who wasn't a tracker would be able to come up with a long list of people who didn't target anyone on given nights without knowing what their roles are. He did it again last night, and you haven't claimed either

It's just really unlikely he'd try to pull something like that off as scum, even less likely he'd get away with it.

Why cant Spyrex be a scum tracker?

Why is it taking so long to lynch this scumbag? Yosa lynch gogoogogogogogoogogogoogogog.

[Anon]

Spyrex and yeah, everyone.

Tell me in few words if you agree with this argument and explain why:

There must have been at least scum on SpyreX's wagon when he was at lynch -1 and claimed, and when DGB and others kept attacking him and thus giving scum cover to do so, or he would have been hammered. That is obvious. Therefore, either you or Pulindar must be scum, since the other two people on the wagon are confirmed.

I already explaine this yesterday, and you ignored me. If you were town, I'd expect you to be voting Pulindar right now, since at least one of you is scum, guarenteed.

[Anon]

What that looks like:
Yos-scum is trying to get people on the wagon lynched because they were all townies and SpyreX is scum with Yos.
But like I already said if SpyreX is a scum tracker then his buddy is either KMD or Pulindar <_< And I'd lean KMD over Pulindar in that case. Meh.

No.

Spyrex scum tracker can still be lying about tracking Yosa.

[Anon]

ebwop
specially considering that result "semiclears" Yosa.

[Anon]

Im partying tomorrow so Ill just give you something for your pleasure.

Lets analyse how scum Yosa manipulates the circumstances to his advantage and scummy motivations:

Yosa says that there HAS to be scum in the wagon against Spyrex. His reasons are that since DGB and "others" were gunning for his head, scum definitely could have hammered with no further problems. Since no one hammered, the scumbags are in the wagon. That means 100% guaranteed one of Pulindar and Anon are scum. sic.

I think his argument is stupid and scummy as fuck. That would just be enough to lynch someone in my book. First, since this was a small wagon and two scum are already dead, scum possiblities of being in a wagon are reduced, an in no way 100% as he is trying to paint,;and second, Spyrex can still be a scum tracker.

But lets analyse his opinion on a wagon that IMO has more probabilities of having scum in. Yes. The Nikanor wagon. Why? Because it was a fast wagon, and a DAY 1 wagon. And oh surprise, DGB and other were also gunning for Nikanor's head which would mean that scum could have joined the wagon with no further problems.

In the Nikanor lynch wagon:

camn

, Anon,

Drippereth, Maemuki, McZombie,CSL, Ythan,

Spyrex,

Parama.

What does Yosa think about this?

I completly understand why she's attacking Spyrex;

she's doing one of those vote analyis "there's always one scum on the wagon" things she always does, and while I've never been convinced that that actually works

, I understand where she's coming from and it's why I'd expect from town DGB.

First he has never been convinced that that actually works but when he HAS to mislynch this annoying Anon and deflect the attention from his scummy ass, then SUDDENLY, oh, dear god, "one scum on the wagon" works.

WE NEED TO LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG NOW NOW NOW. DONT EVEN THINK. VOTE YOSARIAN2 NOW.

[Anon]

Why cant Spyrex be a scum tracker?

It's unlikely, because scum trackers are rare as hell, obviously.

SpyreX isn't "confirmed town", and I never said he is, but the odds of him being scum here are really, really small; at this point, I'd say he's less likely to be scum then anyone else in the game other then Para, and that's only because Para was confirmed town by a gunsmith.

Sure thing bro.

Supersaints, gunsmiths, but more importantly TOWN GODFATHERS are really common nowadays.

I may have missed the memo.

[Anon]

ITT rage.

Why of all the days you just got a result on lylo?

Waiting for kmd.

[Anon]

Yosarian was scummy as hell. Sucks to be wrong but you know, sometimes they are just not mafia.

Im more interested in something that Ill comment when kmd chimes in.

[Anon]

If you want to know what was so scummy in yosa2, my posts are a good source of information. 4 other people saw what I saw.

Regarding possible scumteams, I havent even decided if you are indeed town, mr spyrex.

Hopefully Ill find out after kmd comes in and after we probably massclaim.

[Anon]

Your vote is a little rushed for my taste.

Ill just leave it at that.

[Anon]

I have no reason to distrust SpyreX.

Explain clearly why. Also this is a fast game so if you really are busy you should probably ask for a replacement. Its decision time atm.

Haylen, Prod KMD please.

[Anon]

Im also a VT.

Okay, here is where I am now. Pulindar is town. Doing an iso will reveal that Nika attacked Mab like crazy, that Nacho also pushed hard against him and then he called him town for no apparent reason. I definitely dont see both scumbags interacting that much with a scumpartner. All the rest of you is giving me a bad vibe.

First, thats exactly what I was not liking about the rushed Spyrex vote. He having a tracker result on kmd didnt mean 100% he was scum. In an scenario of both of these guys town, scum could have hammered kmd for the win. Spyrextown should have known better.

Second, kmd, did you breadcrumb or something itt? Also why do you keep thinking that a proven power role means that the player is confirmed town? With the amount of power roles so far, a scum tracker is at least plausible.

Third, reckoner why did your hydra spend the game softclaiming something?

........

The good thing is that since scum didnt hammer, that means that one of Spyrex and kmd is at least confirmed scum.

Doing a massive reread to check something.

[Anon]

I think that with that incongruence its even more painful obvious that one of you is lying about the other.

Anyways, even though Im not sure who I believe yet, what bothers me is that your result didnt mean kmd was scum 100%. Not only kmd could have been the doc, assuming he is telling the truth. There is like another dozen possibilities that could have you given the same result you got yesterday night, other than scumbag doing the kill. I dont like that vote. You could have waited at least to see if any of these remote but still, possibilities would apply.

Yet you voted.

[Anon]

I have a very good answer for that, Reck.

I sincerely dont see No lynch making the difference here since after massclaim, we know that scum is deliberately not killing. But I guess it doesnt hurt to try it anyways.

Vote: No lynch.

Also I think its unlikely there is a SK in the setup. First because I really dont see a SK not killing since night 3 until today after killing night 2. Its more likely the town godfather had 1-shot or some mechanic that made him die. And second, because I definitely expect 4 scumbags against a town with some power roles and with only a godfather and two flipped goons. Having said that, I really expect the left scum to be a power role that could mess/block/catch town power roles.

[Anon]

If we are voting no lynch then we should avoid talking about who we suspect and such so that scum cant use this information to wifom the nightkill.

I have many things to say but as I said, trying no lynch isnt going to hurt.

Speaking of this, just realized that we should also check this

Haylen what is your stance on happily ever after scenarios?

. I mean, how many cycles of no kill -no lynch would you accept?

3 no kills and no lynches ~ Hayl

[Anon]

WHERE THE FUCK ARE ANON AND PULINDAR?

IMA HERE.

You know I was going to give Spyrex the benefit of the doubt and reread this game once again treating all of you as possible scumbags but Mr. POWERFUL WIZARD decided to come strong with the vote and the lamest reason ever. No time to think Pulindar or Reck could be scum setting this scenario for destroying ourselves. Seriously, I think Spyrex just cleared Pulindar becuase it wouldnt make sense for keeping him alive. lolwut?

With that said, I want to say that if any of you, pulindar or reck, is scum, well played and gg. I wont probably vote for any of you unless you do something scummy as hell. Anyways I had a town read on Pulindar for reasons previously explained and the only thing that bugs me about Reck is the softclaim that was ok explained yesterday.

ITT, I explain why Spyrex is scum, based only in recent events. If any of you want to check my reasons for thinking he was scum in the previous days, I can totally dig them for you.

1. Why the hell the claimed tracker is still alive since what, DAY 5?

2. Why the hell the claimed tracker is voting someone that didnt go anywhere Night 5, when balance reasons scream another POWER ROLE scumbag?

3. Why the hell the claimed tracker that voted KMD as soon as day started and posted this:

Hahahaha

Busted, sucka

Vote: KMD

makes a suboptymal play for a player of his kind? You of all the players in this game know that kmd's "good game scum" at L-1 doesnt mean anything. Which is even worse, since if you were pretty sure he was scum, as your early votes shows, then that comment SHOULDNT have made you hesitate.

If there was someone bizarro-dancing with KMD, it was you, good sir.

Vote: Spyrex.

Now, some questions for Mr. Spyrex:

Spyrex, would you say that my play in SC'S Nekomata is similar/different to this one?

Spyrex, would you say that your play in SC's Nekomata is similar/different to this one?

[Anon]

Pulindar wouldn't benefit near as much from keeping me alive as Anon would.

Bullshit. Pulindarscum would benefit with both of us destroying our asses.

[Anon]

Also Spyrex, if I were scum, I dont see no reason to kill Reckoner who thinks you are town since you claimed and is suspected by basically no one. What is my benefit for keeping Reckoner alive, Spyrex?

Interestengly enough, drippereth and parama, the people who had solid town reads on me and scum reads on you are blatantly dead. Welp.

[Anon]

Lets play this little exercise:

GUESS THE POWER ROLE

Kmd - Mafia Godfather - Lynched Day 7

Nikanor - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day One

Nachomamma8 - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 3

XXXXXXXX - Mafia XXXX - Lynched Day 9

CSL - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night One

A Clergyman with a Hoop - Neutral Surviver - Smited Day Two

camn - Town Godfather - Killed Night 3

Ythan - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 3

Maemuki - Jailkeeper - Lynched Day 4

Dramonic - Gunsmith - Killed Night 4

Starbuck - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 5

Drippereth - SuperSaint - Killed Night 5

Yosarian2 - Miller - Lynched Day 6

Parama - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 6

Pulindar ???? but claimed Vanilla
SpyreX ???? but claimed Tracker
Anon ???? but claimed Vanilla
xReckonerx ???? but claimed Vanilla


Spyrex, I know you are an intelligent guy. What role do you think the last mafia has using only balance reasons?

[Anon]

Im so drunk and traveling ritghtw now for holy week in my country.

Back on friday night.

Dont miss me much,

[Anon]

Ok Reck is now oficially confirmed town.

Why exactly would scum need a tracker?

Seriously?

If we assume Spyrex is telling the truth, we have a gunsmith that targets, a jailkeeper that target, a tracker that targets, a very likely town godfather that targets (pretty sure camn is responsible for the second kill night 2) and..

...you think 3 goons with a godfahter is balanced enough?

A tracker is a powerful role for the town, not so much for the scum, which makes me think that for balance reasons, Spyrex is once again lying fakeclaiming scumbaggo.

As I said yesterday, I totally expect another power role scum in the mix. All of us have claimed vanillas and Spyrex has a report of me not going anywhere night 5.

[Anon]

Answering to some things for a previous post:

3.) Because I watched him, KMD, the scum, go to a confirmed town player and then came up dead?

If you had a "guilty" result on him and you voted him as soon as day started, then why the HELL, like seriously, why in HELL when kmd posted this:

Welp...
Good game scum...

You posted this?

Thats only two votes.
That said thats not what I would have expected.

Unvote

for the moment.

You of all the players in this game know that kmd's "good game scum" doesnt mean anything. Which is even worse, since if you are pretty sure he is scum, as your RESULT and your early votes shows, then that comment SHOULDNT have made you hesitate. It should have made you happy that the scumbag you caught got lynched. Yet, you unvoted.

Why is Reck alive?

Hmm, I don't know. The fact that I'd SEE YOU KILL RECK maybe?

lol. It would have been the same scenario. It would be your word against my word. We would be in a hypothetic day 9 with both of us crossvoting and having Pulindar for the hammer.

The difference is that you knew Reck would be more easy to trick since he bought your claim since you made it. I literally have no reason to keep Reck alive. You, definitely have a lot.

So die now. NOW.

[Anon]

So, if I'm lying about being a tracker why would you have just listed a tracker as part of what targets?

That was an hypothesis that shows that a town tracker mixed with the pool of town power roles is just too powerful against a scumteam with just a godfather.

Nice misrep, btw.

[Anon]

Yes, I was caught offguard in lylo for 4 minutes.

Pretty sure those 4 minutes would have been much longer if reckoner hadnt posted this after 2 minutes:

...
SpyreX.
You yourself said you know he's lying because you tracked him to the victim and he claimed roleblocked. Literally, this makes no sense, unless this is some weird modding.

]And the fact in that scenario a dead Reck points directly at you being scum? Because, in fact, I'd have no reason to kill him?

I have zero reason to keep him alive when he is the one thinking you are town and Pulindar leaning to Spyrexscum.

Which means instead of what I was looking at you're saying: If SpyreX is telling the truth someone else is lying!

Sure. Thats how hypothesis work. If we assume you are telling the truth, then someone else is lying. The point is that based on my hypothesis YOU are not telling the truth about being a town tracker. Balance reasons scream scum tracker.

Nice not answering why I'm not all of a sudden just totally lying instead of a scum tracker. Which is the first thing you said after I claimed. In fact lets really get that out:

Those things are not mutually exclusive. You are both a scum tracker and lying because you are saying you are a town tracker.

Odd how that meshes up with trying to swing that lynch KMD-day on me too.

Nacho bussing both of you in a same post with different intensity its a play that its not normal for a player of his kind. That was a bad read from me, dont try to paint bad reads as scumtells.

[Anon]

Pulindar and Reck, what good point are you talking about?

Lets expand the balance argument more, because I feet it has got lost in the warofquotes.

Setup N°1

1 x Mafia Godfather
3 x Mafia Goon

VS.

1 x Town Gunsmith
1 x Town Jailkeeper
1 x Town Tracker
1 x Town Godfather

This setup just gives too much power for the town with 3 power roles that can directly catch a mafiate. A town tracker is decent not only becasuse it can catch a scumbag doing the kill, it can clear other town power roles. Scum need to have another role besides godfather to help in an scenario where no power roles die.

Setup N°2

1 x Mafia Godfather
1 x Mafia Tracker
2 x Mafia Goon

VS.

1 x Town Gunsmith
1 x Town Jailkeeper
1 x Town Godfather

This setup, in the other hand, gives scum a way to deal with these roles in case no targetting power roles die. Id still say is a little imba but its definitely more balanced that Serup N1 since a scum tracker is inherently less powerful.

[Anon]

I have realized that screaming "Spyrex, you are playing to your scum meta, diescumdie!1" doesnt do much if I dont bring examples to back up my point.

I have read some of Spyrex last games and Ive been with him in a more recent one, StrangerCougs's Nekomata, which is basically the game where his playstyle is not even remotely similar to the one exhibited here.

Link: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13266

Just isolate Spyrex and tell me if he doesnt become obvtown as he keeps posting. As his other games as town show, he is very very good when he is town. Why? Because he is active, he is a decent reasoner, a good scumhunter and is a NATURAL LEADER. He has to have his scumbag caught before they kill him, therefore all his stances are strong and inquisitive.

This game, Spyrex has strategically lurked. Became heavily suspected until he claimed. His reasoner aspect is still intact but he has been far away from being the natural leader he loves to play when he is town and takes a passive stance of going with the flow until eyes turn to him. Do you remember a strong stance of him before going all in with annoying Anon? Nah. He hates to be scum, therefore he doesnt play it natural. His suspicions are weak and forced. Like these games, for example, which reassemble his claiming abilities:

Battle Mafia: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12167

Super Upick: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12611

Of course he would say that meta is a retarded argument. He has a well defined meta as town and as scum. He is so transparent and so easy to read its not even funny.

[Anon]

Yes, recks post was a nice slap of "don't doubt yourself" which, WOAH, worked.

Why.would.you.doubt.yourself? It just doesnt make sense since you GOT a guilty result on him and started attacking me when I told you I didnt like the speed of your vote. Why did you have to doubt after his good game scum at L-1. Is it the first time you see someone gambitting that way? I DOUBT SO.

Except that, follow me, that kill wouldn't make sense for me because he thinks I'm town.

Thats exactly my point. Reck, despite not being suspected by anyone, is mysteriously alive for some reason. But you already know it since you just wrote it.

Look at these 4. This is this page. When you can't even keep your stance clear on this page, yea.

My stance is pretty clear, good sir. You are a tracker but yaknow, for balance reasons, a scum type of one. So you are lying. Stop beating a dead horse.

1.) Do you think I've been lurking?

Strategically lurking. You missed the Nikanor discussion like the plague. Where were you when Yosa2 got lynched? Where were you when nacho was lynched? You sir, are full of weak stances and convenient periods of disappearing. This.is.not.your.townself.

2.) Do you think there is any way those statements add up regarding me on this page?

This page is lylo, Spyrex. Dont play silly.

[Anon]

It also interesting to note that even though KMD and Spyrex got clearly in a "at least one of you is scum" scenario after checking their night actions, KMD never voted Spyrex at all. Not even a little suspicion.

[Anon]

Reck, I want you to make a decision with the most possible information. Did you read those games I linked?

[Anon]

I dont want to turn this into Warofquotes V 2.0. I seriously dont.

Regarding strategically lurking. Funny you just posted post numbers because you literally dont say anything remarkable until post 4 and strategically miss the whole Nikascum discussion which I started in my first post. Then in iso 6, when you cant switch the wagon to easytarget CSL, you vote with "L-2 reason" for Nika despite being tons of better cases to vote him. So whose vote looks more like bussing?

Strategically lurking is not your normal lurking and you know what Im talking about, specially for a player of your kind and your meta as town. When Nika was heavily suspected, oh sorry vacation. When Nacho was heavily suspected you only had bland accusations to support your vote and then gone. And when Yosa2 needed some help for massive defending you, somehow you were away from the keyboard.

At least I have taken my stances and if Im wrong I take them like a man. You, in the other hand, have just played "weak stance" posting all game long. Quote me, just quote me more than one strong stance and one strong case, besides going all in with me, you had against someone in this game.

Just, answer this question.

Is this the first time you see someone gambitting at L-1 and it lylo with "good game scum"?

[Anon]

Funny how you completely forgot to mention that scenario, eh?

I didnt mention that scenario because the claimed tracker had no result on me in three visits and more importantly in night 5 when I was not even remotely suspected and could have sent a possible rolecop investigation much before massclaim.

As for "good game" in lylo? Yea, I've probably seen it. Both sides of the spectrum even. And I've probably been taken back by it sometimes and swore at a loss sometimes (and been right AND wrong about it).
Point?

The point is that you had a guilty on him. Its not that you were crossing your fingers and praying for kmd to be scum. You "knew" KMD was scum. That reaction is not logical, not natural since its equally similar to having a guilty cop investigation on a player and unvoting after a null post.

1.) If I was the scum tracker, why did I opt to bus my partner yesterday instead of simply saying you did it?

1. WIFOM.
2. So you can push viciously this position as you are today, get yourself semicleared and use poe to mislynch me ftw.

Dont try to paint this scenario as remotely unlikely. You know that bussing your partner in lylo to get semicleared status, specially when one player (reck) is buying the claim, is not unheard of.

[Anon]

Reck, when did I say "boo, spyrex isnt traker?" I think he is a tracker since he claimed.

Look, I seriously want you to think this very well and realize that this maneuver was prepared to get spyrex fake cleared and mislynch me for the scum win. Specially when there are arguments to prove this bussing maneuver had some weak points:

First, Spyrex voted KMD from the go when KMD hadnt even posted in thread. The speed of this vote, when kmd could have been a town watcher for example, screams that this maneuver was prepared.

Second, when KMD finally claimed and the inconsisntecies were found, kmd NEVER suspected Spyrex despite both of them being in a "at least one of us is scum" scenario.

And finally, when KMD gambitted with his "good game scum" at L-1, Spyrex hesitated when the natural reaction as a town player with a guilty result would be anything but unvoting.

And more importantly, dont you think that the player that supposedly caught the scum godfather would be already dead in a grave?

[Anon]

P.S. if Anon were rolecop there's always the possibility that he had already searched both Weaboo and myself. Weaboo had that early soft claim, and I was under suspicion from everyone for a bit. Scum might have been curious as to if there was a powerrole behind MaB's stumbling. I dunno, just a couple possibilities. Or maybe he accepted my VT claim.

Pulindar, if I were a scum rolecop then I think night 5 is important. I was not even remotely suspected and could have sent a possible rolecop investigation since we were much before massclaim and there were still 8 people alive. I couldnt have guessed Spyrex would track me, either.

[Anon]

And finally, since Spyrex is using wifom to try to clear himself, then I extend this question to you:

If I had been scum with KMD yesterday, then why in hell did he not go all in against Spyrex, specially when inconsistencies in both claims screamed one of them at least was scum?

Why in hell did he attack Pulindar when I had Pulindar pegged as town and Spyrex as scum?

[Anon]

- Unconvincing. The chances of a town PR visiting the night kill victim are usually slim. I would've made the same play as Tracker.

Dont assume that because you would do something, all people would react the same way. You are an agressive player that sometimes dont take into account all the possibilities. Spyrex is like the other side of your coin and definitely Spyrextown wouldnt have voted kmd before hearing from him. The chances of a town PR visiting the NK are slim, yeah, but they were there, specially before massclaim.

- This also makes sense with KMD as scum and SpyreX as town. If KMD had gone NO SPYREX IS SCUM and gotten him lynched, then it would've been obvious KMD was lying and claiming there was another role interfering was the only way KMD could've made it out as something screwy going on and try to deflect the lynch elsewhere.

Except both Spyrex and KMD were already in a situation where 100% one of them had to be at least scum. You have someone claiming a guilty on you. Why in hell would you try to get someone else lynched instead of going 1-1 with the player that is supposedly lying about you? Why in hell did KMD try to lynch Pulindar when Spyrex had a guilty result on him? Why in hell did he avoid the obvious 1-1 even when Spyrex was the first one voting him and even when after claims checked, inconsistencies were found?

- Also very unconvincing.

No. Since you yourself found this reaction weird and forced. This point is not even coherent with how Spyrex reacted with KMD at the beginning of the day!

Lets look at this way since the situations are too similar. You have a guilty on a player, you vote him since the day started, you push hard for his lynch, you know that player is scum.

Would you unvote that player if he is at L-1 after a nulltell? Reck, would you have unvoted kmd if you were the one having the guilty result?

[Anon]

what do you mean with lol guilty result misrep?

spyrex hesitation seemed genuine? are.you.fucking.kidding.me? Why would you hesitate when you have your guilty result at L-1?. He has admitted he has seen this gambit before. Thats not coherent.

would you just read what i wrote for a sec and try to work things instead of tunneling and playing the "what the fuck town?" stance?

also we are no "no lynching", specially when we know who suspect who. It would just add another layer to the wifom mess cake we have right now.

[Anon]

I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.

YEY

IM SO HAPPY

PULINDAR I LOVE YOU.

[Anon]

I must admit that kmd-spyrex gambit really caught me off guard and had the potential to win the game so good job there whomever came up with that idea.

META IS NOT A RETARDED ARGUMENT and I know Spyrex is going to be a little mad about it but seriously he is so freaking transparent when he is scum.

And once again, MAFIA TRACKER, people should stop being stupid and stop assuming that just because they dont see a role that common in games that role is impossible and more importantly, that role confirmation is alignment confirmation. And yes that goes for you Yosarian2 and Reckoner. Take your mistakes like men.

[Anon]

Just a tip for future games.

When someone tells you to read something and to debate to help you in your wrongness. Do it.

Yes. Simple. Do it. Dont fall for what seems obvious at first glance. Think.

Other that that you were good.

[Anon]

And yes that goes for you Yosarian2 and Reckoner. Take your mistakes like men.

Dude, you pushed through an absolutly horrible and illogical mislynch on me pretty much just because didn't like that I was attacking you, even though the reasons I was attacking you were completely logical. You really have no right to be telling anyone else to "take your mistakes like men".

Of course SpyreX is quite clearly town now. There's no way a scum who wasn't a tracker would be able to come up with a long list of people who didn't target anyone on given nights without knowing what their roles are. He did it again last night, and you haven't claimed either

It's just really unlikely he'd try to pull something like that off as scum, even less likely he'd get away with it.

In any case, if we're not lynching Anon today, then we're lynching Pulindar, because at least one of the two of them must be scum at this point.

Vote:Pulindar

No, "one scum on the wagon" dosn't work, in general. Don't be dense. It only works here because the scum needed to try to lynch town power roles, since they can't kill them, and there is no way they would have missed the chance to do so twice, especially when they could have easily gotten away with it both times.

Dont be an arrogant prick. Learn from your mistakes.

[Anon]

<3 Mastin.

[Anon]

If you're going to work on flavor, you'd better do it now. I actually want this flavor to be done!!!

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