Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Ythan]

Any indication as to whether or not he knew it wasn't a hammer?

[Haylen]

The Quack Quack Vote Count

Parama - Ythan
Nachomamma -
McZombie - Weaboo
Nikanor - camn, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki, McZombie, CSL ~
Maemuki -
Ythan -
Miserable At Best - Nikanor
Dramonic -
camn - Kmd, SypreX, Nachomamma8
SpyreX -
A Clergyman with a Hoop -
Drippereth -
CSL - Parama, Yosarian2
Yosarian2 - A Clergyman with a Hoop
Anon - Dramonic
KMD -
Weaboo -

Not Voting - Miserable At Best

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[Weaboo]

{Kise}

Nvm, he's at L-1.
Anyways I feel a claim is in order, anyone else agree?

NO it was a stupid f**king wagon. Nik was not buddying to you. The man was trying to see whether he should agree with Drip's scum assessment of you, likely to determine if he would vote for you. There IS merit to Goof's belief that Nik could have been cop-fishing, but the people who voted Nik weren't even going off that.

Wow.
Just, wow.
I wasn't cop-fishing, ftr. Me not knowing that there was no n0 would be ridiculous. I like to think I'm not stupid.
Have a good game, folks.

I like how you're quiet for a long time, then 2 hours after CSL's mistaken hammer you comment. Hmm.... why not "good luck, town?" in this post?

Base on Opin 177 that have wolv 'n shit, I view this game under assumption there 2 no-town groups in this game. Nik vs. Mae rook rike scum-scumhunting if Nikano is mafya. ( )

@Ythan - What have you learned from the many questions you have asked others? Also, Reck's vote on Nacho was jokey. I'm sure of it.

Drip gets me to thinking about policy lynches... I just now imagine that scum, if not the easy lynchees, are setting up quicklynches on unchallenging players so that they can silence the stronger players at night. Nik almost got hammered 1 RL day into the game. Something scary to think about.

Since this is a plurality-lynch game, I would like to advocate holding off on voting if you're not firm with it (within the first 48 hours or so into the days) to prevent quicklynches. All that's required is majority vote, so the last 24 hours of a day looks ideal for judgment time -- get the talk out of the way, then see who's the best to string up.

Personally, I think the game needs more Orca Wang ~ Hayl

Holla at ya boy.

[Ythan]

@Ythan - What have you learned from the many questions you have asked others?

Not as much as I would like, getting answers is hit or miss. I'll draw up some kind of summation after this post. Was planning to do so after I got through everyone but that doesn't seem likely.

Also, Reck's vote on Nacho was jokey. I'm sure of it.

Exactly. Wondering why he didn't move it to Parama when he saw some actual suspicion.

[Drippereth]

Nikanor thought this was a hammer. He said later: "Why bother claiming? I was dead anyway."

Regardless of what people think of the Nikanor case BEFORE the quicklynch false alarm, he is scum. Quite possibly with MaB since instead of analyzing his wagon, he panicked and opted for some last-minute bus'ing before, he probably feared, the thread might be closed. No time to analyse! But what scum wouldn't want to at least slip in some distancing. No one had even noticed MaB's existence in the game prior to that. BUT HE DIDN'T BOTHER CLAIMING.

All he did was to rush to distance from someone. That was his priority. Not claim and give us information to play with in twilight. Like Weeboo pointed out, no "good luck town" - and no cursing at his wagon, no calling us idiots for quicklynching a power role or telling us not to worry if he's vanilla, no outrage at not being given an opportunity to claim, no anger at the players that were supposedly last on his wagon (CSL and Zombie). He should have cursed CSL and Zombie straight to hell for not letting him claim, but no, he zeroes in on the invisible MaB.

To add insult to injury, after he found out he was still alive, he still refused to claim. 5kUmz will delay claiming forever if they can help it. He's stalling his claim. He is not town.

WE MUST LYNCH NIKANOR.

Please, people, stop trying to stir up fruitless wagons that will lead nowhere. Nikanor's post-lynch is as scummy as it gets.

[Ythan]

I asked Clergyhoop about the vote switch. Looks like one head placed the vote and the other was convinced of the targt's towniness. Not a big deal.

Been asking camn about that italicized text. Nothing yet.

Posted a few for CSL. Hasn't responded.

Asked dramonic what that action-looking post was about. Hasn't responded.

That's as far down the list alphabetically as I've gotten. And I haven't really gotten anything out of it.

[Weaboo]

Wondering why he didn't move it to Parama when he saw some actual suspicion.

Because he moved it to McZombie.
And can you tease me/us by saying whether an answer from camn, dram and CSL would affect your town/scum read?

camn: yes/no?
dramonic: yes/no?
CSL: yes/no?

[Drippereth]

MOAR NIKANOR VOATS

We have to put him at L-1 so that he can't weasle out of claiming. The suggestion to wait for deadline and plurality is not a good one.

[Ythan]

Wondering why he didn't move it to Parama when he saw some actual suspicion.

Because he moved it to McZombie.

After FoSing Parama. But it was the same post so. Still, want to hear from him.

And can you tease me/us by saying whether an answer from camn, dram and CSL would affect your town/scum read?

camn: yes/no?
dramonic: yes/no?
CSL: yes/no?

Camn and dramonic, can't say. They did weird thigns, not suspicious things. CSL, yes. Those were about suspicions.

[Ythan]

The suggestion to wait for deadline and plurality is not a good one.

Explain.

[Weaboo]

So with camn and dramonic, how would you categorize your question; a general concern?

[Ythan]

Those could be called general concerns, yes. If they're actually tied into real game mechanics then it goes beyond the specific player and does not give any indication of their alignment.

[Drippereth]

The suggestion to wait for deadline and plurality is not a good one.

Explain.

Because we need claims, and we may need to reverse the wagon, and the plurality may end up in the hands of very few people, including scum, at deadline.

We need more Nikanor votes because I am bored and I want to mock his fakeclaim for everyone's amusement.

[Ythan]

I thought you were rushing a lynch but I can get behind forcing a claim in time to reevaluate wagons.

unvote vote Nikanor

[Weaboo]

Alright. Well Reck isn't on aim so he's probably done for the day. I/We will touch back on this when he returns.

And to be clear, I'm saying not to vote until halfway through the days. We're

supposed

to be online every RL day, anyway, so why rush a vote 2 RL days(?). Patience is a virtue. Quicklynching will become dangerous if these easy lynchees all flip town and the mafia nightkill those viewed as more threatening players. It's something I have done as scum, and surely others have done as scum as well. CSL is more of a vig target than a scum target anyway.

[Ythan]

It's my understanding that any kind of hasty hammer in this situation is very anti-town, any clearly so, so that it is not playing to your win condition as town, and therefore we're in no danger of a quick lynch.

[Weaboo]

OK, Drip, then get your options for a counterwagon ready. Pressure people 48 hours into the day and let them know you'll likely vote them. If they have any sense, they'll hint to whether lynching them is a mistake and they better claim ahead of time to let people evaluate. Ideally, I say vote 3/4's into the days. If the prospective lynchee is active like they're supposed to be, they'll claim or whatever before that 4th RL day.

[Ythan]

Oh yeah. If you want to possibly reverse the wagon what's wrong with poking around elsewhere?

[Drippereth]

Must-die players:

1 - Nikanor
2 - Miserable At Best
3 - CSL
4 - SpyreX (he's like an evil presence in this particular game, and is voting camn!!!)
5 - McZombie
6 - Dramonic (read in iso and see what I mean)
7 - A Clergyman with a Hoop (Yosarian's buddy, NOT Nikanor's buddy)

Iffy players:

1 - Parama
2- Yosarian2
3 - Nachomamma (lurkerscummish)
4 - KMD (lurkerscummish)

Townies:

1 - Weaboo
2 - camn
3 - Maemuki
4 - Ythan
5 - Anon

Will be NK'd tonight and is really eager to lynch scum to keep up fearsome scumhunter rep so please vote Nikanor:

1- Drippereth

Bear in mind, some of the lurkers are probably very quiet because they fear I might read their minds.

Kill these players after I'm dead. They are scum.

[Ythan]

Why do I have a hyphen?

[Drippereth]

OK, Drip, then get your options for a counterwagon ready.

I will be over Miserable at Best like a pitbull on a ham bone. I reserve the right to surprise everyone and wagon someone completely different.

The hyphen, Ythan, is a left over cut and paste nuisance from the mod votecount I used for the player list.

[Parama]

Nvm, he's at L-1.
Anyways I feel a claim is in order, anyone else agree?

NO it was a stupid f**king wagon. Nik was not buddying to you. The man was trying to see whether he should agree with Drip's scum assessment of you, likely to determine if he would vote for you. There IS merit to Goof's belief that Nik could have been cop-fishing, but the people who voted Nik weren't even going off that.

I haven't even commented on the Nik wagon much. Like I said, not against it, but not voting on it. I don't quite care about the specifics of the Nik wagon and am content with tunneling on CSL, thank you.

[Ythan]

@ Nikanor's bandwagon: Why do you think Nik's scum?

Regardless of whether you agreed wasn't this pretty well established?

Actually, screw it. You all can lynch me tomorrow if you want.

Vote: Nikanor

Unless of course, he's scum, in which you all should thank me.

Already touched on this. Town should not offer themselves to be lynched because they know it's a waste of a day. Explain please.

Here is where the vc fail was, right after Zombie voted.
*two raised eyebrows, an orly face, and a toungue flip*

Are you pushing a vote count misread case on Drip? Seems like you did the same thing when you "hammered".

To add to this line of questioning, why DID you hammer?

[Drippereth]

camn - Kmd, SypreX, Nachomamma8

These voters are bad news. First of all, there will be no camn lynch today, camn is sweet, adorable, and totally town, while Kmd & Nachomamma are lurkerscummy, and Spyrex is a dark, evil character. Why are they voting camn? Nachoomamma scum is still in RVS, Kmd because he's dating camn RL or something, but SpyreX??? He's hiding. Hey SpyreX, you shouldn't hide, Nikanor is scum, only, with another scumgroup! You'll get town-cred for hammering him!!!

CSL - Parama, Yosarian2

I don't view the obsession with the policy/utility lynch of CSL having to be on Day 1 when we don't even know if we have a vig. Parama is totally tunelled (as scum or town) but Yosarian's vote is disappointing in a scummy sorta way.

Yosarian2 - A Clergyman with a Hoop

This vote could be distancing.

Anon - Dramonic

Dramonic is lurkerscum.

Not Voting - Miserable At Best

This scum chnaged his mind about bus'ing Nikanor.

[Ythan]

Now is not the time to keep pushing the Nik wagon. I moved my vote and he's at L-1. Now is time to stop and let him claim.