*yawn*
Trying to read through this game, but a hangover + roommate playing Mass Effect + massive hunger pains is making it difficult. Anyways, here we go:
Scien vs. VPB is interesting. Scien's 202 makes good points about VPB, and VPB's response didn't do much in the way of defending in my opinion. Vi's response to SC's 187 also aligns with my views. It seems like the suspicion stacks up on VPB rather quickly on p9.
Also, lemme just get this out of the way... I dislike playing in games with both VPB and Amished, just like I dislike playing in games with both SC and elvis_knits, for the simple fact that I can never tell when it's blatant buddying or just meta-game relationship. *sigh*
DDD's lack of content this far into the game (p.9) disturbs me.
Top of p.9, ABR joins the VPB wagon. Cool. Charlatan's 228 is too blatant fence-sitting, and definitely decreases my read on him. When I've played as scum, I've used a similar tactic of pointing out two people who are arguing, claim they're bussing without giving much insight into the argument, and then set myself up to look inscrutable by claiming I'd be okay with voting for either since I believe them both to be scum. And, whoa, looks like SC agreed with me in post 234, which gives him +town points.
Despite ABR's QFT posts, which can be offputting, I tend to play like that as well - agree with other arguments, or disagree with other arguments and point out why.
Amished's 239 vote of ABR is lulzy, and I support SC's 241 vote of charlatan, who seems like the best lynch candidate at this point. BTW, I can't remember if I actually voted in my previous post, so
unvote
just in case.
Top of p.10, I'm not a big fan of Zorblag's "don't post frequently, but post occasionally with giant walls of text" style... but his meta explanation of ABR actually clears up quite a bit. Furthermore, he thoroughly addresses all issues that need to be addressed, AND lays down a vote for charlatan, which is IMO the most pro-town vote at this point.
And a charlatan response! This should be good... he says he finds them both scummy, and they just HAPPEN to be arguing... not that the arguing makes them scummy. Yet, I don't recall seeing charlatan point out one single reason why either of them are independently scummy.
Porkchop and Scien are both very inactive ;_;
I thought I was gonna make a good catch with charlatan's fence sitting, but even my predecessor has jumped on board with how scummy it is by 276. sigh. AAAND here comes another charlatan response. Nothing that can sway me here.
I like Amished's vote on DDD in 278... I can't believe he was allowed to actively lurk for this long.
@ABR: do you have actual meta evidence of charlatan contributing more as scum than town, or is it just a crazy theory you want to test out?
Vi is almost certainly town btw. I have yet to see a Vi post that I haven't viewed as pro-town, and post 297 calls out exactly how I was feeling about Porkchop's "catchup" post.
DDD's vote on Amished (bottom of p 13) is nothing more than a pretty-fied OMGUS. Fail. Especially when I have a slight town read on Amished and a slight scum read on DDD. That just pushed him further down my list. Coincidentally, charlatan's 302 vote of SC is baaaad since 1) it's weaksauce and 2) SC was one of my stronger town reads, while charlatan had slipped down the list since p8. In fact, he's probably at the bottom right now.
...I had forgotten about Sando. dub tee eff
I like ABR's top three scum in 323 minus Amished. Put VPB in for Amished and I think that's more in line. Porkchop might be in there as well, depending on how the next few pages shake out.
Okay, now I'm getting bored to be completely honest. Basically, charlatan continues to open mouth->insert foot, and I'm all but convinced he's floundering scum at this point. Ojanen's is probably the hardest for me to read at this point, I don't know why. Her posts seem to be as neutral as fuckin' possible.
@Zorblag: You say it's easier to treat ABR's play as a tool to use in the long run. Does his alignment affect the usefulness of the 'tool'?
And yeah, I'm here on p. 15 kinda nodding off. Maybe it's the meal I just ate (yum, honey bbq wings, I need a cigarette, dammit). DDD plays like arrogant scum on this page. Specifically post 360. I played with him in Mayor Mafia, but even then it seemed like he was contributing a bit more content and not playing so confident-scum-like. There seem to be a lot of egos in this game, and I can't tell what's player ego and what's scummy ego.
I can't believe charlatan is still pushing the SC case tbqh.
And, hey, there goes my predecessor. And hey, there I am replacing in.
@Zorblag: I think it was charlatan's quick-fire posts that seemed town to me, since I tend to do that at the start of most games. SC was my top scum candidate for his shitty vote on VPB... but I think you'll find my new scumreads/townreads below interesting given my full catch-up being completed.
I see that people think it's a scumtell to criticize your predecessor... eh. Not sure I agree. What, should I just not mention him period? If he played shitty, he played shitty... I think it'd be scummier to ignore it than actually acknowledge it. Either way, it can be read as scummy, so it's basically a nulltell at best.
@Amished: I thought I'd replaced into more than just that. Well, actually, I think there's like two other games I've replaced into, but they're both ongoing, and I don't link anything in the wiki until the games are completed.
Anyway, that's all for the catchup. If I missed anything, pleaaase point it out. And here's my current scumlist.
SCUMMEH:
charlatan
PorkchopExpress
DDD
PRETTEH SCUMMEH:
VP Baltar
Sando
NEUTRAL:
Amished
Ojanen
Albert B Rampage
TOWNEE:
Zorblag
Vi
SC
<3
