Mini 1006: Random Mafia Game Over!

[xvart]

/confirm

xvart.

[xvart]

/confirm.

Also, hey AGar, xvart, totallynotmafia, vezok, and gandalf. Good to see you all again!

Right back at you!

Negatory, it's Iris.

Iris, what blasphemy xD Boxer is the best Terran player the world has ever seen!

Awesome! I love watching boxer replays.

xvart.

[xvart]

I am a vanilla. I couldn't care less if you lynch me today.

Doesn't sound like you are playing to your win condition with that attitude. That, more so than your VT claim, is scummy.

Unvote
Vote: vezokpiraka

Vezo, you check out. You have responded as expected. Your claim is true, though still stupid.

And you know the claim is true how?

xvart.

[xvart]

Your vote makes sense Agar, but I would request that you reconsider whether or not Vezok is aiding me, or rather--based on his foolish claim--he is just confused.

Confused about what? What is there to be confused about? Being a vanilla townie as you know he is? I would think that would be less confusing. And the fact that you say "that vote makes sense" but then interjects some reconsideration is suspicious. Are you trying to butter him up? Then you admit that the interaction would be suspicious if it was

anyone else

other than vezok; appealing to the VI behavior, as if you are looking for an easy out.

I don't know. But his actions post vote support the theory that his claim is true. Therefore, I believe it is true.

What actions post vote? His sarcasticly talking about being lynched in three RL days and how inspiring that would be, how he could care less if he was lynched today, or him explaining that he is a he and not a she?

Which of those posts screams obvtown?

You are scum, who was trying to defend someone you know is town, so when we lynched him you would score major town points since you were against the incorrect lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Exe

xvart.

[xvart]

First of all, when I say he is confused, I mean that he is not aware of the fact that he is seen as defending me, but instead is just going with whatever he can find, hence his questioning of Espeon.

I really am unmoved by the fact that his questioning of Espeonage is defending you or not. Someone asking for reasoning behind a vote is fairly common and can hardly be considered defending. In fact, I don't see anyone saying anything about defending except you.

Next, I am saying tha AGar's vote in a normal situation makes sense. His thought process is logical - right after I backed off of Vezok, Vezok seems to defend me. I am not claiming that does not appear scummy--doing so would be a lie. Hence, I admit he is logical. My only explanation I can offer is that Vezok's seeming defense of me is unwanted and random. No one--town or scum--would be able to offer any other explanation without blatantly lying.

Again, if anything, I see Vezok's action as determining Espeonage's motives and not defending you. If he is defending you by asking for Espeonage's motives than that is a fairly weak defense.

Next, you clearly do not know how to read a player. His post that suggests town (do not put words in my mouth by saying "screams obvtown." I said no such thing) is his OMGUS of me once he realized

the wagon was serious

. It reads to me as a VI voting angrily in a way that scum avoid doing, even as a VI.

Oh wise one, please instruct me on the ways of "reading a player." Oh, and you did not say "screams obvtown" but you did say "your claim is true" meaning he is vanilla townie, hence the obvtown. If someone's vanilla claim is true, I would think that that would make them obvtown. You really think that of all things that the following post says is that vezok's vanilla town claim is true?

See if you can beat the record.
If you lynch me in less than 3 RL days from this post I will say that this game was the most inspiring [/sarcasm]

I am a vanilla. I couldn't care less if you lynch me today.
Even so the corect play today will be to lynch scum.
Exe is scum. He didn't say " thoughts , thoughts".

Unvote
Vote Exe

Finally, your final analysis of me is poor at best.
It is illogical to suggest that I was trying to score points in the case of a town lynch. For one, 2 votes on page 2 does not suggest "immanent lynch" in any scenario.

Yeah, but even you said it yourself, the wagon was serious (italicized in quotes above). Regardless, it doesn't matter; that lynch didn't have to go through immediately. More than likely, vezok will not be around in endgame so claiming his VT claim as true now will score you points later when he is killed (by whatever method).

xvart.

[xvart]

They will do A, C or D or E.
A - They will stay the same and protect each other which tells us they are stupid no matter what their alingment is.
C - They turn on each other. They are scum for submiting to what the town wants.
D - They start attacking someone for attacking them. And of one of them is scum and the other isn't they have tried to set up a chainsaw defence.
E - They give jackshit, ignore the question and be happy in their little scum bodies because they know that we still don't know if both of them are scum and who the others (if there are any) are. Btw. I'm going to place a bet on that one of them is a traitor and the other worked it out fairly quickly.

If they were smart they would start being all defensive about motivations in questions and how we are setting them up to frame themselves.
In the case they are both town. We should quicklynch and get some sort of investigative role to investigate the other.
Either way we should quicklynch.

I think this is getting a little too complicated, with the traitor assumption and all. I think that could be considered reaching a little. How about we just lynch Exe scum since he is most likely scum regardless of Vezok alignment.

Interesting that MK proposed the question towards me, and yet he let Espeonage determine the answer.
Reads as MK cheerleading. Probability of MK-scum increased.

So

Option D

?

xvart.

[xvart]

In what way didn't I answer the question?
Vezo leans on the town-side of neutral. There really isn't much more to say. His claim was suspicious but his reaction to my vote gave me enough confidence to unvote him until I have more evidence of scum than "bad claim."

"Town side of neutral"? That is quite a bit different than:

Your claim is true, though still stupid.

then:

His post that suggests town

then:

I was not calling him obvtown, nor was I excusing him from future suspicion. I only intended to say that for now I believe his claim.

I believe this is the time you are supposed to claim, unless you are still trying to think of a fake claim.

xvart.

[xvart]

Wait. Question: How did people interpret the set-up judging by the post for the game in the sign-ups? This is an important question so humour me.

I interpreted the setup as completely random, meaning factions were randomly assigned as normal (3:9, 2:10, or whatever) and then roles were assigned completely randomly. Actually, now that I think about it, role claiming is almost completely worthless other than verifying actions since anyone could claim anything. We could have 12 bodyguards. I guess at this point, we need to decide if keeping a claimed town bodyguard alive outweighs killing scummy Exe.

If he is a scum bodyguard I don't see why he would ever pick a target; unless it was a forced compulsive protect.

xvart.

The answer that xvart says for Espeonage's question is the correct answer.

[xvart]

GG scum. I only somewhat followed along, especially when the game was lagging. It was interesting reading the scum QT. TNM - were you referring to Zoraster's No Rules Mafia in the QT about me?

It was stupid as hell that I got modlossed. I know that I violated the rule, and I don't blame SSK, but it as still stupid. All I said was that I had been in a game with a mafia super saint. And that a jester had hammered, so it had turned out OK for the town.

It's not stupid. You were talking about an ongoing game outside of the game.

Otherwise there's no disadvantage to the town lynching a jester.

Other than they aren't lynching scum.

xvart.

[xvart]

I would, but I'm at my limit and the queue list is so short. If have an opening I'll join when it gets to the top.

xvart.