Mini 1006: Random Mafia Game Over!

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/confirm

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Vezo claim. Random vote from him, I assume?

I vote....No one.

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Vote: Vezo

Roleclaim and appeal to emotion.
Ready to lynch.

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Today he should be lynched D1 as scum for his false claim.

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Good.
Vezo, you check out. You have responded as expected. Your claim is true, though still stupid.

Unvote

I need more information before I can form thoughts (thoughts thoughts...).

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Quadz: Based purely on the rules, I find it possible that there are roles that are reversed from their usual faction.

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I don't know. But his actions post vote support the theory that his claim is true. Therefore, I believe it is true.

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Your vote makes sense Agar, but I would request that you reconsider whether or not Vezok is aiding me, or rather--based on his foolish claim--he is just confused.
I think you'll find that such an interaction between a different player and I would indeed point to the connection you are suggesting. This time, however, the conclusion is questionable at best.

I tell everyone, of any alignment, not to fight my battles or help me out. Vezok, the same goes to you.

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Your argument does not hold up on multiple major points.

First of all, when I say he is confused, I mean that he is not aware of the fact that he is seen as defending me, but instead is just going with whatever he can find, hence his questioning of Espeon.

Next, I am saying tha AGar's vote in a normal situation makes sense. His thought process is logical - right after I backed off of Vezok, Vezok seems to defend me. I am not claiming that does not appear scummy--doing so would be a lie. Hence, I admit he is logical. My only explanation I can offer is that Vezok's seeming defense of me is unwanted and random. No one--town or scum--would be able to offer any other explanation without blatantly lying.

Next, you clearly do not know how to read a player. His post that suggests town (do not put words in my mouth by saying "screams obvtown." I said no such thing) is his OMGUS of me once he realized the wagon was serious. It reads to me as a VI voting angrily in a way that scum avoid doing, even as a VI.

Finally, your final analysis of me is poor at best.
It is illogical to suggest that I was trying to score points in the case of a town lynch. For one, 2 votes on page 2 does not suggest "immanent lynch" in any scenario.

Here is what happened. I voted to test his claim. His reaction decided the result of the test. He passed. For now. Now I can move on to finding more likely scum. That is all.

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I didn't say he was defending me, Agar implied it. Hence my use of the phrase "seeming defense."

Suspicion was put on me by AGar due to Vezok's questioning of Espeon's vote. If you have no issue with that then I see no need to address the issue either, as I don't find that a useful piece of evidence. Agar, however, still seems to suggest that's his reason for voting me. Why do you ignore that?

I fear regarding the next part that you misinterpret the way I speak. This is a fault of the way I choose to speak, not the current situation. I was not calling him obvtown, nor was I excusing him from future suspicion. I only intended to say that for now I believe his claim.

I fail to see how me stating that I believe him for now will score me points later. It would be a fairly transparent scheme, if that's really what I intended.

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Helping eachother? I do not remember helping Vezo.

I believe Vezo's claim. For now. I do not think he leans heavily towards town, but his reaction made sense to me.

What is wrong with that?
I am not saying I

will

be opposed to lynching Vezo. I am saying I

am

opposed to lynching him this moment based purely on his claim.
That is all. No more, no less.
If he continues to act scummy, I will have to re-evaluate.

However, there is nothing wrong with removing my vote from Vezo based on the fact that I am not satisfied with lynching him when our only evidence is a strange claim.

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Espeonage gives 4 possible responses all of which indicate that one or both of us is scum.
Logical fallacy.
You claim to have given all possibilities for my response, yet that is clearly impossible seeing as you leave no possibility that I am town.

Perhaps the correct answer is what really happened.
I voted for pressure hoping to get a response from Vezo.
The response I got led me to unvote him until there is further evidence.

Interesting that MK proposed the question towards me, and yet he let Espeonage determine the answer.
Reads as MK cheerleading. Probability of MK-scum increased.

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In what way didn't I answer the question?
Vezo leans on the town-side of neutral. There really isn't much more to say. His claim was suspicious but his reaction to my vote gave me enough confidence to unvote him until I have more evidence of scum than "bad claim."

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Those quotes are not contradictory. It is simply the way I speak. However, there is no way for me to prove this, so defending myself is pointless.

I am the town bodyguard. I can protect one person each night, and in the event that the person is targeted by a kill, I die in that player's place.

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vezok was magically cleared after just one question

I would appreciate if people stopped putting their own spin on my post. Especially after I have explained in painfully specific detail that Vezok is

not

magically cleared.

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Roles are very likely randomized and probably not indicative of alignment, this is true.
I have a question, while I am still alive.

Vezok, you are vanilla townie. So how would you doubt that I am the only protective role in the game? You have no evidence to support this.

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Having no other protective role "seems a bit off"?

Roles were assigned based on probability. There is not going to be any setup. Based on probability, it's more likely that there isn't another protectetive role. It doesn't matter "how it seems."

You'll need to actually use some form of logic if they are going to keep you alive over me in this game. Otherwise my death is going to be such a waste.

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The irony of the game is that I legitimately meant my arguments at the beginning. I wasn't scummy, in my mind...

Bravo to my team. Also, LOL on Quadz calling out EXACTLY what my teammates had planned.

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The irony of the game is that I legitimately meant my arguments at the beginning. I wasn't scummy, in my mind...

Bravo to my team. Also, LOL on Quadz calling out EXACTLY what my teammates had planned.

With the "what if one is a scum RB, and he blocked me, and then they no-kill" thing?

Yeah. That was exactly what happened.