NY 114: Mafia vs. Werewolves (Game Over)

[AGar]

Ok. Oi oi.

I read most of the thread. I'm not reading 90 pages word for word, I don't have that kind of time for mafia, I doubt anyone does.

@Ythan - Did you read any of the thread or did you not read anything at all?

RichardGHP is uber-scummy for refusing to read the thread and simply asking for a recap while simultaneously claiming unpressured.

Pom is coasting. Also, likely scum with foilist, who's only comments on her were basically "You can't read her, but that's her meta." Bull.

Parama confuses me.

VOTE: Pomegranate

[AGar]

Ythan. So you haven't even gleaned the thread at all? Mmk. I understand not reading 80+ pages. But reading nothing prior to your entrance is kinda retarded.

SSBF, your case to me is moot. Lowell is an anti-town player by meta.

Anti-town != pro-scum

Pom is a better lynch. She's coasting. Minimal interaction with foilist. That's my case.

[AGar]

Poll: Who would you say has done more this game- Pom, Lowell, or Dry-Fit?

•Pom
•Lowell
•Dry-Fit

You really don't help your case with useless garbage like this.

[AGar]

Quick lynch. My buddies are dead .

This is why I hate confirmed town players...

[AGar]

Mmm. The offensive insults. I've seen this somewhere before...

Anyways, someone hammer Pom. We caught another mafia, that's a successful day in my books.

[AGar]

ninja'd:

Thanks parama.

[AGar]

Please be replaced by Wacka Alpaca, it will be an improvement.

That's a low blow.

Also, Ythan, I don't know why you're asking for cases right now. We lynched Pom. Cases against you will be brought tomorrow (but I don't have one. I'd much rather lynch Nik tomorrow).

[AGar]

Ah. Alright. Seemed like you wanted them asap. Nevermind then.

[AGar]

Well hmm..

I was honestly looking forward to playing with you Pom, so it sucks that you had to be lynched so quickly into my tenure. But yeah, it was just like a big neon sign. Foilist did you no favors.

[AGar]

Oh wait. Werewolf. Mafia. Right. Two factions.

Still getting used to that.

[AGar]

@Ythan - I had said Foilist did her no favors, but foilist was mafia, she is claiming to be a werewolf. Thus, no interaction would be indicative of anything.

[AGar]

Well hmm..

I was honestly looking forward to playing with you Pom, so it sucks that you had to be lynched so quickly into my tenure. But yeah, it was just like a big neon sign. Foilist did you no favors.

I have to say that I have wanted to play with you since I saw that you pulled off a great scum win in a Newbie game, which was nominated for a Scummy, I think. Sucks.

Haha, well we'll have to get one in where I don't replace in 90 pages into the game.

[AGar]

As MS pointed out, I've got limited access. Needless to say, I'm not going to hammer Lowell. I already stated how I don't feel he's scummy, and until I have the opportunity to sit at a computer and actually read on a real screen, I'm not going to be able to change that read.

I also dislike immensely how quickly this wagon formed with little to nothing said by most voters.

[AGar]

Dry-Fit, why don't you just go ahead and say you're suspicious of everyone in the game.

Also, I like this idea:

VOTE: Nikanor

[AGar]

I'd much rather lynch Nik today. Oh, also, can you point out why my playerslot's been trouble all game, Dry-Fit? Thanks.

[AGar]

I re-read and no. I misinterpreted a post yesterday.

UNVOTE:

Need to figure out who the best lynch today is.

[AGar]

VOTE: Dry-Fit

More people should join the fun!

I'll post more on this tomorrow. about to head out soon.

[AGar]

Timeater was unhelful and antitown. Battle Mage was unhelpful and antitown.

Anti-town != pro-scum.

Mafia Basics.

[AGar]

2 more. C'mon people!

[AGar]

Negatory, Ythan.

[AGar]

Oh sorry, I assumed you knew definitions. Because that's not what that means.

Pro=Scum is beneficial to scum players.
Beneficial to scum players is positive progression towards the scum win condition.
Therefore, pro-scum is an action that produces positive progression towards the scum win condition.

This is one of the few cases where If a=b and b=c then a=c applies.

Anyways, this is MD debate. Ythan, get on the Dry-Fit wagon.

[AGar]

mass-claim for what reason?

[AGar]

Umm... except there's no guarantee that there's a sorcerer, is there?

[AGar]

Holy shit something just clicked.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tubby

[AGar]

Ythan:
VIs are anti-town by nature. So your argument says that all VIs play to a scum wincon. Which means that any player labeled as a VI MUST be scum in every game they play in.
Obviously, your logic is faulty.

AGar did you not read this dumbass post.

vote Dry-Fit

I did. I don't agree with all of it.

And Dry-Fit wagon is old news. Tubby is much better, I promise.

[AGar]

Maybe. But I can't right now. Just trust me.

[AGar]

Read #2289. It'll give you a hint.

[AGar]

For everyone else:

If you really don't believe me, it's understandable. Sometimes you just need to go with gut. Once in a while, it'll work. Really though, this is a bit more than gut. Call it an 'informed decision'. Educated guess if you will. Right now, we're competing between lynching an anti-town player, a player who is very likely scum and now being introduced is tubby's possible lynch. Every one of them has a case. Rightfully so. None are better than this though. Otherwise I wouldn't be pushing it. Perhaps it's a bit of a stretch, given the one post I've left you too look at, but it'll make sense. Read the post, read my posts, you'll get a better idea. Once the time is right, I'll spell it out if I have to. That's something I'd rather avoid, but if I must, I will. Time is on our side though, so really try and figure it out. Under any other circumstances, I'd be more direct with this. But I can't be. Because there are reasons. You understand, don't you?

[AGar]

Parama, I encourage you to get on this wagon.

Dry-Fit too.

Ythan - persuasion sometimes requires a different elegancy.

[AGar]

Standard operating procedures about L-1 yadda yadda yadda. We've all been through this before.

[AGar]

Oh wow. I think I know what AGar is saying. But tubby could still be town.

I protected Serial night one. Does that change your theory, AGar?

Makes some sense, but doesn't change the theory I have.

[AGar]

And Ythan, you've trusted me thus far, why are you questioning wording now?

[AGar]

I have my reasons. Now is not the time to spell them out if you don't understand them.

[AGar]

@vezok - Did you read the post I told Ythan to read earlier?

[AGar]

Ythan - about my really weird post. I was setting up a breadcrumb, because I was almost certain my attempt to lynch Tubby would backfire, or I would need to explain it the next day.

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f you really don't believe me, it's understandable.

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ometimes you just need to go with gut.

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nce in a while, it'll work.

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eally though, this is a bit more than gut.

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all it an 'informed decision'.

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ducated guess if you will.

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ight now, we're competing between lynching an anti-town player, a player who is very likely scum and now being introduced is tubby's possible lynch.

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very one of them has a case.

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ightfully so.

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one are better than this though.

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therwise I wouldn't be pushing it.

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erhaps it's a bit of a stretch, given the one post I've left you too look at, but it'll make sense.

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ead the post, read my posts, you'll get a better idea.

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nce the time is right, I'll spell it out if I have to.

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hat's something I'd rather avoid, but if I must, I will.

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ime is on our side though, so really try and figure it out.

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nder any other circumstances, I'd be more direct with this.

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ut I can't be.

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ecause there are reasons.

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ou understand, don't you?

Spells out: I SORCERER NO PROT TUBBY.

I hadn't protected Tubby either of those nights, so I thought Pom was trying to clear Tubby by saying "We tried to kill him." I nearly shit a brick when he flipped mafia and not werewolf.

Parama had me fooled, I will admit. I had him deadset as town. Nik's comment about "we should be searching for werewolves" is what originally had me gunning for him in D6(?) and then I realized Pom had flipped werewolf, so that's why I backed off.

Michel - the flavor wasn't exactly Paperback type stuff, but conversely, it was good and it made sense, and it was flavor. I get bored of people just going "X died. He was a Y Z" or flavor that makes absolutely no sense. I can't say much about the activity deadlines, because I don't believe they affected me, but I do agree with Vi about the whole V/LA thing. Kind of unfair to players.

[AGar]

There isn't much I can do about it until the crumbs are pointed out, but no. Mafia is IMO a game were information is vital. You constantly have to consider the advantages and disadvantages of sharing the information you have. Sharing the information without sharing it (by hiding it in your post some way) does not fit that picture.

That post I made is a common way to breadcrumb information so that when someone asks for proof of a claim, you can back it up. I saw the start of rule 8, assumed it was the SOP of "No invisible, hidden or small text" and read no further. I really didn't think you'd take away breadcrumbing ability. I've seen that process used a bunch of times.

[AGar]

@nham - I usually end up with a VT or scum role. I've gotten a PR a grand total of twice now in my mafia history. I really don't know how to set up breadcrumbing and handle the roles appropriately. I'm a shitty PR, honestly. I play better as a VT because I don't need to worry about not biting a NK.