Mini 1077 Lost: Season Two (Over)

[jasonT1981]

confirming.. good to be back on the island hehe

[jasonT1981]

Didnt Artz die in S1 though bringing the dynamite back to the hatch... as S1 ended with the hatch opening and Locke and Jack looking down the hole.

[jasonT1981]

Yea Artz died around day 43 or 44 in S1.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Leslie_Arzt

[jasonT1981]

vote: Dram

Revenge for killing an uncountered cop claim

[jasonT1981]

What are the odds Id draw scum in both?

[jasonT1981]

I claim Hurley and one part of my role is a One-Shot Census (how does that match Hurley flavor-wise S2, Reck?). I can use it to determine how many pro-town, mafia and 3rd party roles are out there. I used it right away, because....why not? Unless there's some traitor out there who can change sides the amount of anti-town roles will stay the same throughout the game.

makes sense, Hurley did get entusted with making a census in lost of the survivors.. not sure if it was season 1 or 2 though it does fit.

[jasonT1981]

Well, since you already declared myself and Dram as scum, yes I was going to have a little fun. nice start though Chess the lyncher? lol

[jasonT1981]

And after the game I will go back to page 2 and mock you for being wrong..

[jasonT1981]

but he called me scum too... why not my wagon

[jasonT1981]

So apart from me making my RVS vote based on him NKing me as an uncountered Jack/Doc what actual connection do you have that links us as scum partners, CK?

[jasonT1981]

Would you shoot me again if you were?

[jasonT1981]

So your arguement for me being scum... is I am now playing AGAINST my scum meta? If I read that correctly

[jasonT1981]

how is that a scum slip?

[jasonT1981]

So to you there is no chance of one of us being scum, and one being town?

I still don't see you pointing out how it was a scumslip, CK

[jasonT1981]

AGar, why are you buddying me?

umm wha?? he is saying that he doesnt see your case. how is that buddying

[jasonT1981]

Can you quote instead of pasting please? itsa easier for us to see who said what...

[jasonT1981]

yes, but a quote rather than a paste job would be better.

[jasonT1981]

I am not

Is Jason?

Why are you asking? you already declared me as scum.. Surely you already know if you were bold enough to proclaim it right from the get-go.

[jasonT1981]

I also still want to know how it was a scumslip, CK.

[jasonT1981]

No, I was pointing out you think I am scum because I am playing AGAINST my scum meta that was pointed out by you about the last game. Thats not a scum slip or indication of scum... that was a statement of how your post sounded.

[jasonT1981]

Exactly, you are saying I am scum because I changed my scum meta to fit with this game according to you.

that IS NOT a scum slip

[jasonT1981]

Where am i defencive? I am simply pointing out how ludicrious your postings and suspicions are.

Anyway, I will ask you again

So to you there is no chance of one of us being scum, and one being town?

[jasonT1981]

Im not being defensive... Im simple countering your arguements... there is a difference

[jasonT1981]

Claasy comeback... just like your cool story comment to gandalf5166

just goes to show you cant actually back up your accusations

[jasonT1981]

Good point, Dram... he is caught in his own dilusions and cant even remember what he said a few posts ago

[jasonT1981]

I find this totally funny CK claims to have caught both scum already with only 4 people actually posting so far properly!

[jasonT1981]

Good point, Dram... he is caught in his own dilusions and cant even remember what he said a few posts ago

L.O.L.
Jason needs rope. NOW.

Its a valid point... you went from IF Jason is scum so is Dram

to Dram is scum if I flip scum but only a slight chance

to If Jason is town Dram is scum

[jasonT1981]

first quote is like, I will be seriously looking at dram if jason flips scum.
Second quote is like jason could flip town and you could still be scum, just I wouldn't actually be starting from a nice handy FoS of you.

that should be fairly obvious in context.

but you are still completly contridicting yourself

[jasonT1981]

Also your 3rd line is a bunch of crap. I never said that. Nice try, though.

my 3rd line was

to If Jason is town Dram is scum

you said

If one of you is scum, and one of you is town, it would almost have to be Jason town, dram scum

So no, my 3rd line is not a bunch of crap

[jasonT1981]

nope.

Dram is not scum if and only if Jason is. That would be ridiculous.

OH REALLY NOW???? LOL

Dram and Jason are scumbuddies, calling it now.

nope. You and Dram are scum.
After game over I'm going to go back to page 2, quote it, and mock you.

Jason first.
Jason flips scum then Dram is scum, reverse is not true.

hence, you and dram are scum, like I said.

No, I think you are scum.

I think Dramonic is scum because I believe you changed your RVS style because of MoI's presence in this game.

[jasonT1981]

note the presence of the word "IF". Are you this dull, or are you intentionally trying to misrepresent me?

BUT you said... and I quote

Jason flips scum then Dram is scum

[jasonT1981]

Dude, it's an SK, obv. Name doesn't matter,

errybody gets fakeclaims

or has non-scummy names.

now THIS is a scumslip

How do you know everybody gets fakeclaims?

unvote
vote: ChessKid.

[jasonT1981]

Please tell me we have a dayvig.

Yea we do..nice rolefishing

DayKill: ChessKid

[jasonT1981]

lulz.
You can't be this................you were in lost s1. Errybody got fakeclaims.
Assume errybody got fakeclaims again.

I was scum in S1.... I got no fake claim.. I was Jack Shephard. Scum Doctor

[jasonT1981]

Tell me ONE person in S1 who got a fakeclaim. I will give you the point on nonscummy names... but the fakeclaim thing is BS

[jasonT1981]

hmmm upon looking yes, I concede to your point and

unvote

I looked at LS1 and TheLonging did indeed have a fakeclaim of Shannon and the lyncher had a Fakeclaim of Boone though I cant remember if he was given that or made it up.

[jasonT1981]

CK, while I will say you are completly wrong and running in circles I am going to let this back and forth with you pass.

It will be a deterant to others and give them a headache sorting through all this back and forth and IF we are both town then this is not helping the towns cause in anyway and playing right into scums hand who will probably be looking at this and pissing themselves with laughter.

[jasonT1981]

For the record, now that the whole Fakeclaim thign has been cleared up... I do not think CK is scum, misguided in his thoughts towards me yes, but not scum. Anyway... I am calling this a night and going to bed. its 2.18am here and I am falling asleep faster than a polar bear on a tropical island with a tranqulizer up its arse

[jasonT1981]

uh I never changed my opinion. You want to try to be the next jason, throwing quotes at me and not understanding the english language? COME AT ME BRO. COME AT ME

Dude, its been shown to you time and again how your opinions jumped around more than a flea

[jasonT1981]

Good point, Dram... he is caught in his own dilusions and cant even remember what he said a few posts ago

VOTE JASON

that + loluscumslip means jason scum.

That was somewhat painful to read though, chesskid relax.

What scumslip?

Also, it was a good point.. CK was al over the place and chaning his views every post. What is scummy with agreeing with someone?

[jasonT1981]

Sorry MOI... I actually missed this until Vren said he seconded the question and I went back to look to see what it was.

So your arguement for me being scum... is I am now playing AGAINST my scum meta? If I read that correctly

Don’t the circumstances of Season 1 dictate that you might consider changing your modus operandi? Since you were killed as an uncounter-claimed Doc and were scum and all.
[/i]

This is an interesting question. I try to play the same way in whatever game it is regardless of allignment and there has actually been quite a big discussion about my meta recently and unfortinutly I can not link to that game as it is ongoing.

However, in saying I try to play the same way in each game people seem to disagree and can spot me as scum a mile off usually. Would I try to change it? If I knew how to then yes probably. I guess it is so much easier to see Meta and scumtells in others than it is in yourself.

[jasonT1981]

I also don't see Vren as being overly defencive right now, however I will point out there is too much accusations of scumslips that are complete rubbish and unfounded and yes, I include my own on CK that I was wrong on.

[jasonT1981]

Everyone has a Meta even if they realize it or not, I believe CK.

I am sure there are distinct tells between your town play and scum play but like myself just fail to actually realize and think you are playing the same either way.

[jasonT1981]

or 3) he is third party and in a 12 player game a 3rd party could maybe mean only 2 scum in a 9-2-1 setup like it has been said

[jasonT1981]

Guys, Im heading out tonight... wont be back until tommorow sometime.

[jasonT1981]

not liking vezokpiraka attempt to cut off discussion especially since it was getting into serious stuff. He promised content then spammed and asked for no one to post.

vote:vezokpiraka

[jasonT1981]

I missread your 207, but my point still stands about stalling discussion.

What did you expect to happen if the mod made the button pushing post? its not relevant and stalling to turn discussion elsewhere to stupid things in the middle of proper discussion. I stand by my vote minus the content point due to misreading 207.

[jasonT1981]

Yes, because the mod is going to die in a hatch explosion.......

[jasonT1981]

The amount of these new scum tells I've just seen in this game used for faulty logic for people's stupid votes are amazing!

But Callandor seems to be a very sensitive soul, I'll pass that off as a scum tell!

VOTE: Callandor

I actually see that as more of a town tell, TBH

[jasonT1981]

Vezok is pretty easy to read. I would say with near 100% certainty that he is town.

How so, did a very quick ISO and he has added nothing to this game and all 10posts have been fluff. How can you get a town read on this? Realy dont like this buddying

[jasonT1981]

I do not remember playing with him before... I may have, however I don't remember him.

How does he act as scum? and how does he act as town...

And how is reading him more difficult?

[jasonT1981]

Vren, I am voting him because I feel he is not adding anything game wise and attempted to cut of conversation. Neither are very town to me.

[jasonT1981]

You can ask anyone who's ever played with vezok, they'll tell you.

Well, given I played with him in LostS1 and cant even remember him... what does that say lol

[jasonT1981]

Scum is:

CK3(fairly certain on this one)

Likely scum:
Callandor
Enigma
Random gut read:

jason

PEDIT: Vezok never offers anything gamewise. Literally, the last game I played with him, he broke down while he was being attacked for exactly what you are attacking him for and insisted that "it's not like you have to analyze me or anything". That was when he left the site.

Don't make me go back and quote where you said some

one

in that argument is scum. I don't like having my time wasted.

OK CK, can you actually present a valid case that I am scum *Yawn*

[jasonT1981]

that was irrelevant of me believing you were scum, that was me laughing at Gand's stupidity

We

COULD

be scum together, and doing this to distance ourselves

[jasonT1981]

Call, calm down please... there is no need for swearing.

I get Mafia games can get you worked up, I have been in a position myself many times.. for the record I see you as town right now, playing on emotions rather than logic.

[jasonT1981]

Vren is scum how about we all compromise and vote for him? >_<

what changed, you said he could also be 3rd party???

Vren is scum/third party.

Unvote

Vote: Vren

I don't agree with the vote here, If you vote someone you vote them because you believe they are scum, CK votes Vren noting he could be third party... I feel this is anti-town in itsself.

3rd party lynches only really benefit sdcum as it gets them into the night quietly. I would rather scum hunt than 3rd party hunt...

So CK... do you still think he could be 3rd party or do you now wholey believe he is scum and only scum? if you still think he could be 3rd party, then I question your vote.

[jasonT1981]

Call, there is a huge difference between 3rd party and scum. Scum are the ones we are meant to find and lynch... not 3rd party. We find scum first and foremost, then deal with 3rd party afterwards. I seem to find those who push for 3rd party lynches are more likely to be scum as it gives them a safe passage in that day knowing no scum would be lynched.

thats why I would question someone voting someone thinking he could be third party. It takes away from finding scum

[jasonT1981]

3rd party = serial killer, cult, etc etc? I agree selective scumhunting can be a tell, but I don't think ck's guilty of that which is why i'm confused by your line of enquiry.

3rd party can also be survivor, jester, Mentor, to name a few that do not have a killing aspect... the fact you are trying to say 3rd party is exclusivly Seriel killer or anti-town killing/recruiting role is wrong, it is one of the options of third party.. but not restricted to it.

I stand by my comments, lynch scum then deal with any third parties. hunting for, or trying to lynch third party roles is counter-productive to the town win condition of lynching scum

Thank for the reaction callandor. I am happy with my vote where it is. Although I want to lynch jason just for the last two post.

Why, because I would rather lynch a scum than third party? My question to CK still stands, if he feels Vezok is/could be third party, would it not be more benificail to look for scum rather than giving them a free pass by lynching someone not scum.

Not all 3rd party roles kill or recruit town

[jasonT1981]

Vern not Vezok in the last paragraphy, sorry.

[jasonT1981]

Hell, in the last game we had a 3rd party lyncher with the goal of lynching a certain scum... that benefits the town. thats why I prefer to hunt and lynch scum over 3rd party.

[jasonT1981]

What the hell are you talking about twilight and hammers? the highest wagon is still at Lynch -4.

CK you keep spouting X & Y are scum yet have actually provied little cases on anyone... cases please for all those you suspect as scum. And it better not be OMGUS.

[jasonT1981]

Again, I ask for your case on all you say are scum.

Me
Vren
Dekes

And OMGUS can also be attacking those who attack you regardless of voting... I have attacked you and you say I am scum.. thats OMGUS

[jasonT1981]

Jason or Vren case please?

[jasonT1981]

RTFT

What?

@MOI - I must have missed your census question, can you repeat it and I will try to answer the best I can.

[jasonT1981]

@CK, what did you mean by RTFT?

[jasonT1981]

no, im defending the thought process of lynching scum ahead of 3rd party I thought.. Please also show were I have lept to his defence.

[jasonT1981]

I'm going out, wont be back until tomorrow... going to get the new Call of Duty at a midnight release

[jasonT1981]

before I go.. CK For the love of god please stop posting one liners declaring people scum or vigs or 3rd party or whatever... Start backing up your reasons.

[jasonT1981]

Read the thread for the case on you and Vren. It's rather obvious if you read your most recent posts and like any of Vren's, and how you rush to Vren's defense anytime anyone attacks him

Ive read you in ISO and you have NOT made ANY case... just hearsay and speculation and declaration of Dekes/Me/Vren scum and Gandalf as Vig without ANYTHING to back it up. Show me where you have made any case please.

your declarations remind me of a crazy guy with a picket sign claiming the end is coming.

[jasonT1981]

Gandalf's post just said PLEASE DEAR GOD VIG ME

It's true.

this is the first I will agree with you actually....I also don't like his commnents about it being towns fault if he is recruited but scum would not recruit him. its quite bizare.

Would scum or a Vig want to take him out then as opposed to recruiting him?

EBYOP: Yea, I got what you meant when I re-read your post... CK you really need to calm down, your like a kid on coffee. I still see you as town though just not knowing where to turn and claiming scum on anyone who would question him or jump on the slightest thing. and playing on emotions rather than logic.

[jasonT1981]

How is CK so sure there is a vig.

[jasonT1981]

Dekes.. I have said multiple times I feel CK is town but very misguided so trying to frame him? umm no..

Also, How can CK be so sure of a vig?

[jasonT1981]

Gandelf, why do you have your vote still on CK, he is most likely town

[jasonT1981]

Do you feel CKs posts were an attempt to direct a Vig kill?

[jasonT1981]

If Dekes is telling the truth, then I feel it is a good idea to use it right away to find out what the setup is.. however I do question it slightly, the census came in lost season 1 (how they found Ethan) and was done by Hurley, not season 2.

If I had the ability I would have used it right away, because if I waited and I got NKed or vigged or whatever, it would have been info that town could not use

[jasonT1981]

Also yes, I concede to your point I cant remember the last mini without a vig.

[jasonT1981]

I have never seen a census taker. Don't think I had heard of it either until this game.

[jasonT1981]

What would you like to discuss, Agar? ask me anything you feel is relevant

[jasonT1981]

Stll uncomfortable with jason's reasoning for attacking chesskid. It's like he's looking for a scumtell, found it, and is ignoring all context surrounding said tell.

Im attackign his reasoning... I am do not think he is scum and am not looking at his as scum.... just questioning his accusations he as of yet still has not backed up with any logic or solid thoughts.

How many times do I have to say.. CK is not scum, but scatty town

[jasonT1981]

Wait, Gandelf, are you town or 3rd party? if your town DO NOT blow yourself up... CK don't even suggest anyone who is town blow themselves up.. its not a good idea

[jasonT1981]

No, I'm town until I get recruited. Why do you think I'm claiming TP?

then if you are town then WHY the hell is CK suggesting a town member gets blown up FFS

Scum or town won't play a single factor in who gets blown up. The only thing that is related to it is player stupidity and negligence.

Why is everyone going apeshit with role related information? It's unnecessary at such an early stage of D1.
And if you are town, your preemptive breadcrumbs are just distracting everyone from scum hunting, giving scum a perfect opportunity to slip away unnoticed.

I agree with the top but the second is very anti-town.. Any information the town can get is useful and helpful in narrowing down who is scum... it is NEVER to early.

unvote
vote: Egnima

[jasonT1981]

CKs vote doesnt surprise me... he has been wanting my lynch since page 1 anyway calling me scum with (Person X) Alright CK, you have a vote on me, how about backing YOUR vote up with YOUR case like I have been asking all along?

[jasonT1981]

not going to be about the rest of the day.. I have a race tonight as well as a soccer game.

[jasonT1981]

Alright, I concede I am probably the popular wagon.

I am Sayid Jarrah and have a Heart of Gold, during the night, I may PM me the name of a player to the mod. and he will PM that person and confirm your rolename and alignment to them.

[jasonT1981]

Alright, I concede I am probably the popular wagon.

I am Sayid Jarrah and have a Heart of Gold, during the night, I may PM me the name of a player to the mod. and he will PM that person and confirm your rolename and alignment to them.

PM the mod, not PM me the mod lol

[jasonT1981]

confirms your name and alignment to that player?
so you're a friendly neighbor?

No, Im not a neighbor.. I can choose whoever i want to confirm my role to

[jasonT1981]

fair enough... only time ive really been neighbors is in a scum/town neighbor scanario

[jasonT1981]

Wow lol............ Why the fuck did jason claim? That was NOT the kind of thing you're supposed to claim until L1.

Because I was sick to fuck of CK constant hammering on I was scum with nothing to back it up.... scary thing is people were listening to him

[jasonT1981]

tough.. the PM will be sent by a group decission not yours

[jasonT1981]

determined who to send to via group decission

[jasonT1981]

I am NOT part of a Neighborhood.. I am NOT a Mason. My power is a one shot only.

[jasonT1981]

Having major powercut issues this evening... postings will be sporadic depending on electric staying on... its been off and on 4 times this evening so far.

[jasonT1981]

I agree, I would rather have the person I send it to narrowed down to a pool of 2 or 3 than picking myself now that it is out. My original thought was to send it to CK in the night before I claimed.. that way it would have shut him up lol

[jasonT1981]

I felt I was trying, however I fguess I started to get stressed, I unfortinutly do this too much as town I feel... claiming early I mean its something I have tried to work on grrr.

Anyway, I feel Vez comments are weird,... If I can get confirmed why would I be tomorrows lynch?

[jasonT1981]

I will refrain from voting as I don't think I should vote.

[jasonT1981]

OK i think I have an idea of who to send it too... however, this is taking away from the game and eating into a possible deadline.. we need to hunt scum

[jasonT1981]

The MP should be sent to MoI, Enigma or AGar.

Sorry guys, I'll try to make a bigger post today but I can't right now

Wow really? given Enigma is one of the biggest scum suspects right now? how do you justify this?

[jasonT1981]

Mod, can we get a vote count please? If I am right Enigma is at L-2?

[jasonT1981]

Alright, Egnima claim time

[jasonT1981]

And it looks like the mod has been on as TF quotes are mod fixed (note the bold green fixed in 496) and given that evedience of mod being on and no scene, we can assume bullshit trying to press fear into town.

Revote and hang this scum now

[jasonT1981]

he still needs to hang

[jasonT1981]

I sent a PM in the night... Hoping to god it got through

[jasonT1981]

Vez, I sent a PM to one of the names chosen for me.

[jasonT1981]

Well shit, MOI was the one I sent it too.

[jasonT1981]

I chose MOI as I thought AGar would be NKed given the flip.. I was origionally going to send the role to CK but given his death I had to choose between MOI and AGAR

[jasonT1981]

Before the game opened.. the MOD sent me a PM confirming that he had recieved my action. I guess it was blocked

[jasonT1981]

AWWWW FRACK! Sorry.

[jasonT1981]

oh fuck you asshole, it was a complete accident and no need to get personal

Aright to help the town before im modkilled my full role was Jack of all Trades.

My 3 options were

1) Send a PM confirming my role and allignment to one person via the Mod
2) Watch one person in night and see who visited
3) protect one person from ALL standard night kills

I didn't fully claim day 1 because I was hoping the person recieving the PM would be smart enough to keep their mouth shut about the full role and confirm I was town so I could go about the other night abilities without suspicion from scum.

Guys, I am truely sorry.. this was a complete mistake, Faraday... your a prick for making it personal

[jasonT1981]

fair enough... yes it was a mistake pure and simple. my comment was more at Faraday than you though I feel it was uncalled for. Town I am truely sorry. I got caught up in my reply and didnt realize.

[jasonT1981]

given my option two of saving someone from ALL standard night kills... I am not sure I fully believe the day vig. the way my PM was worded seemed like there could be more than one NK

[jasonT1981]

MOI, No from what I gather it was only all standard NKs there was absolutly nothing in my role PM about day kills etc ok without directly quoting my PM i will try and give you as much info as I can.

Jason, you are Sayid Jarrah.. my love interest on the island, Shannon was shot.. I played a big part in uncovering the others when I found Henry Gale to be a fake ad sailed around the island as well as other things kind of like I am a Jack of all trades.

Abilities

Heart of Gold... I can PM the mod with someone I want to reveal myself to. The mod will in turn send a PM to the person I choose and confirm my rolename and alignment to them.. I choose MOI, i guess this has revealed a scum RBer or MOI scum lying... but the blocking is probably more likely

Eyes of an Eagle - Once during the night, I can PM od the name of a player to the Mod. And I will watch them and find out who visited them.

Hands of a…Doctor? - Once during the night, I can PM the mod to protect someone

from all standard kills for the night.

Passive Abilities: I have None

Win Condition (Town):

You win when all threats to town's survival have left the game.

the bolded make me believe therre is more than one killing parties/scum/3rd party

Yes, I only semi claimed day 1... I had hoped the person who recieved the PM could confirm me as town and that way I could use the other two without scum interference or suspicion.

Guys,. I am really sorry.. I hope some of this can at least make up for my stupidity and help the town

[jasonT1981]

pre in for s3 please

[jasonT1981]

dont worry, I won't.... cant say I wont kill you though If I am scum

[jasonT1981]

Yea, I can back that up.. I got supercop ability too after the hatch exploded.. but got killed

[jasonT1981]

1. dramonic
2. vezokpiraka
3. chesskid3
4. Faraday
5. MagnaofIllusion

ONE SPOT LEFT! I'll be sure to PM everyone else who's interested. I think S3 will be the last mini game. S4-S6 is looking like they'll all have to be larges. :\

how rude lol

pre in for s3 please