Title Fairy: Out With The Orca, In With The Moogle

[Porochaz]

I ended up in this thread by accident I think I clicked somethinfg. HI OMAN!!!!

[Oman]

Look at the people on this site who have titles. They're not just handed out like candy, usually. Hey, look, I'm modding an entire SERIES of games on Lost, maybe we should make me a title to reference Lost! /sarcasm

If they're decent games and you have no other particularly relevant defining characteristics, why not?

All of these things are what people are generally well-known for...it's what gives their title character. Nobody, except for the handful of people who have actually PLAYED in DKU's superhero games (and I'm one of them, for the record) would know/get/appreciate his title.

Kise has an entire series of games based on Square-Enix, where's his title?
Dramonic has an entire group of games based off of obscure/not amazingly popular JRPGs, where's his title?
I could pull out a thousand more examples, but you get it.

We can go the other way with that though.

What off earth does "Lyrical Rampage" mean?

(and why doesn't that title have something to do with Mith's Minions?)

I'm not Patrick's Rantbuddy (although he has had the misfortune of reviewing my setups, so I can give him some slack)
IH is "Always Scum"? Really?
When's the last time Yos2 (shrug)ged that anyone has seen?
I wasn't in PBuG's "I Win" game, should I care?
Ditto Oman's "NK Immune Miller Vig".
Ditto EmpTyger's "It's a JOKE!".
Ditto Talitha's "Dr. Death".
Ditto Thesp's "Supersaint".
Norinel got a somewhat odd title for laughable vote count skills ("Not Voting (3)"), but why should bad modding be commended?
Was "9 Years Old"

really

the best we could do for ShadowLurker?
"Yawesome". Enough said.
Is getting 62545 (or however many it was) PMs via a board glitch worth a title? It happened to me, so it's nothing special; that title should be stricken immediately.
All of these "I want a title" titles ("Unique", "Famewhore", "More /in than you!", "Entitled", etc.) can amscray as well...

You get the idea. I'm not in favor of taking any of these titles away; in fact, I would actually prefer if we WERE less strict about who gets titles. It seems like at this stage, you either need to win two Scummies at once, have a visible GD presence (Mafia what?), have a grating playstyle, or have ~*~connections~*~ in the social community to get a title. Before, granted the community was smaller so more people saw these things, but handing titles out was much more casual.

As for Kise and dramonic, why aren't people suggesting them?

Although I suspect that dram's title would relate to you in some way rather than his games.

Vi is entirely right, however, so is Reckoner. Now I'll get off the fence, pull the splinters from my arse, and explain.

Regarding Vi's points: There has been a significant cultural shift in titles throughout Thokreign and then progressing into mine. Previous titles from another era is not the right yardstick by which to judge upcoming titles (and that will be as true for the next cultural shift, whether I am fairy or not). Of the 17 titles that you gave as examples only two are really given within the last year or two (That's mine and Erg0's) and the others are from the era when titles were an expectation. If you take a look at the original Title Fairy Threads (or Dance of the Title Fairy) there are comments where people say "hey I just hit the post requirement" and then people start on titles. Is that where we want our titles to be? I think a cultural shift should be recognised such that we don't judge the new group of titles off the old ones.

That said, regarding Reck: I've found it incredibly difficult to judge titles that I personally haven't been a part of, especially now that I'm not playing mafia. I think that you're experiencing that as well, just have a think about it, and if you still feel this way, then give me something more than "no" to work with.


Hi Chaz!

[VP Baltar]

Titles either work for a user's persona or they don't, and that's what judgement of their quality should be based upon. This BS about holding up the integrity of titles is such tired rhetoric.

Oh hai, relevant point that is being entirely missed.

[Vi]

Regarding Vi's points: There has been a significant cultural shift in titles throughout Thokreign and then progressing into mine. Previous titles from another era is not the right yardstick by which to judge upcoming titles (and that will be as true for the next cultural shift, whether I am fairy or not). Of the 17 titles that you gave as examples only two are really given within the last year or two (That's mine and Erg0's)

and the others are from the era when titles were an expectation. If you take a look at the original Title Fairy Threads (or Dance of the Title Fairy) there are comments where people say "hey I just hit the post requirement" and then people start on titles. Is that where we want our titles to be?

I think a cultural shift should be recognised such that we don't judge the new group of titles off the old ones.

I thought the Title Fairy Policy was always that titles weren't expected, but if not, that explains things. Of course, we could just prevent anyone who asks for a title or looks like they're deliberately trying for a title (as judged by the Title Fairy) from getting one for, say, three months.

You get the idea though. I would prefer it more if title-giving was more liberal in general for the reasons stated before. By "more liberal" I'm not talking about turning it into a giveaway, the Internet is not America and there are more than two polar positions on issues, etc.

[Oman]

Vi, I certainly appreciate that some people have different opinions on the title system than I, but executive decisions will always be made in accordance with the doctrine I set out on the first post. Taking a step back that policy was drawn from old policy, general opinion, and my personal ideas. And people have said to me that they don't want titles being handed out like candy (VPB obviously believe otherwise).

The best way I've ever heard it put was by Shea "A title should be 'Yup, that's X, alright!'" And I don't know how others feel, but I don't think this *is* X.

[Vi]

And people have said to me that they don't want titles being handed out like candy (VPB obviously believe otherwise).

I'm actually quite sure neither me nor VPB is saying that titles should be handed out like candy.

Even so, I'm not the Title Fairy and I'm sure I'm nowhere near being in the running to be the next Title Fairy, so.

[VP Baltar]

And people have said to me that they don't want titles being handed out like candy (VPB obviously believe otherwise).

That's not what I said at all actually. What I said is in accordance with what you are quoting from Shea. My problem is that the new titling policy seems to dogmatically criticize titles out of the gate without discussing their actual merits whatsoever. This tired shit about titles can't spring from a single event (or an avatar or modded games or whatever) is idiotic because there is no precedent for titles NOT being given that way. Titles can spring from these singular events and be acceptable IF THEY FIT THE USER'S FORUM PERSONA. So, to say dana's title is bad because it's based on some games he modded is a shitty argument and signs of a terrible titling policy being enforced. A much better approach would be to say, 'I don't think that title quite fits dana because I see dana as XYZ and not just the guy who only mods super hero games.' or something of that accord. Placing arbitrary rules that the title must represent a player's presence in X number of threads, or whatever subjective criteria is being pushed this week, makes absolutely no sense as a titling policy.

Further, I find dismissals like Reck's completely arbitrary because it is seems like made no effort whatsoever to even look at the games MoI posted to see if they were representative of dana's persona. Nor did you I'm assume. Maybe more effort should be put into actually thinking about the titles instead of finding bad reasons to laze about. Just my two-pence.

[Empking]

Though there is a middle ground for titling policy its a logical fallacy to think that that middle ground is necessarily better. I, for one dislike Dana's title for two reasons.
1. Dana modding superhero games is neither a) memorable b) funny c) capable of raising a smile despite not being funny or memorable.
2. "I want a Cape" as a title is neither a) memorable b) funny c) capable of raising a smile despite not being funny or memorable.

In my opinion failure on both counts makes it a pointless title that just drags the average quality down.

[SensFan]

Maybe you should actually read what Reck's saying, VPB. He's in the ongoing game about Super Heroes. He just thinks that a couple of games run about Super Heroes isn't something that should lead to a title, and after reflection about it, I agree with him. Maybe its just me, but when I think of dana, I don't think 'Oh yeah, he's that superhero guy!'

[Mr. Flay]

Maybe it's just me, but the real reason we seem to have less titles given out since Thokreign started is that there's fewer

legitimate

titles being suggested. So much of Thok's threads (and now, this one) are metabitching about titles, players, or the Title Fairy. *yawn*

[Vi]

Maybe it's just me, but the real reason we seem to have less titles given out since Thokreign started is that there's fewer

legitimate

titles being suggested. So much of Thok's threads (and now, this one) are metabitching about titles, players, or the Title Fairy. *yawn*

*looks at list from a few posts up*
"Fewer"?

Also, what is SensFan's title for?

[Kublai Khan]

I title based on three games doesn't really seem like it has staying power to me.

*shrug*

My title is based off a single game from 2007. I think

Hot Streak

has merit to it, personally.

[Herodotus]

I thought the Title Fairy Policy was always that titles weren't expected, but if not, that explains things.

Long ago, it was not uncommon for users to request titles. (Though if you follow that link, remember that some of the requests are just users asking for their titles to be restored to what they were before they were lost, in what I assume was The Crash.)

[SensFan]

Maybe it's just me, but the real reason we seem to have less titles given out since Thokreign started is that there's fewer

legitimate

titles being suggested. So much of Thok's threads (and now, this one) are metabitching about titles, players, or the Title Fairy. *yawn*

*looks at list from a few posts up*
"Fewer"?

Also, what is SensFan's title for?

Quoth Glork, back in Feb 2008:
"Nominate SensFan for Fortuna Ex Deus (suggestion by JDodge) for his whacked out play in the religiously-based Martyr Mafia."

[dramonic]

the only thing I can think of when I see Danakillsu is that it's a play on Dana Scully.

[SensFan]

[insert AniX-related title nomination here]

[Nobody Special]

In fact, xReckonerx's title is no longer accurate now that Thread 13720 is no longer in Forum 6. It should be edited to reflect that.

This.

[Oman]

Sensfan played a suicide bomber, he hit scum in N0, killing himself and half the scumteam.

[SensFan]

Sensfan played a suicide bomber that would lose if he bombed Town, he hit scum in N0, killing himself and half the scumteam.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm trying to walk this tightrope of Nominating RC for "Asstoot" and never Nom'ing him. Hrm.

[Yosarian2]

Ditto Oman's "NK Immune Miller Vig".

I've got to say, this is more worthy of a title then almost anything else. We were still laughing about that fake claim at the last scum meet.

[shaft.ed]

I'm trying to walk this tightrope of Nominating RC for "Asstoot" and never Nom'ing him. Hrm.

it's actually quite a good title if he would take it

[MagnaofIllusion]

Is there some kind of fake superhero alter-ego nickname we can give him a la The Caped Crusader?

I think this suggestion has strong merit. It would have to be significantly generic as to not tie him too closely with either Marvel or DC (since he dabbles in both). I would also think some Mafia related flavor should be included.

Something like ‘Moderator Lad’, only less stupid. Or something like ‘DKU Editor-in-Chief’. Will mull for a day or so and see what my subconscious comes up with.

Mr. Mxyzptlk ? He's kind of messing with the players' minds and the capes' lives...

If it wasn’t so directly tied to DC that would be a very good suggestion.

This is a bad, bad reason to give someone a title.

Nothing personal Reck, but just because life is currently handing you lemons doesn’t mean you have to fuck with everyone else. Make some lemonade for God’s sake.

[Ythan]

Or maybe he just meant it's a bad, bad reason to give someone a title.

[Porochaz]

I agree with shaft.ed. I also agree with VP Baltar. Frequently Ive read Oman's thought process and gone "I dont like his thinking" but at the same time I have done the exact opposite and thought exactly what he is thinking. Despite what is said "NK Immune Millar Vig" was a one time game and if Thok had taken the same approach I am seeing, it wouldnt have been made a title and have been forgotten quickly. That said, I am an agreeable person and I agree with Flay as well. Most of the titles recently have been shite, including dana's, there should be allowances in that NK Immune Millar Vig is a classic to all who read and are linked to that game, but at the same time when making a suggestion, are you going to find it amusing in a months time? is anyone else?