Mini 1161 - Neruzian Era Mafia (Over!)

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/confirm

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early nights and short deadlines?

This game has it made already

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eh

I don't play much attention to deadline lengths, tbh

I've always thought it was 3 weeks as that was how long my first newbie game lasted :/

yeah, nvm

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VOTE: Juls

same reason as quilly

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also VOTE: vote ts

revenge etc

I'm sorry D:

for those of you who don't know, I hunted hiplop single-handedly for about 30 pages in my last newbie game before he flipped Mafioso

I'm expecting no mercy from him xp

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tbh, 'and you look like scum' didn't read as RVS to me

I'm sure Looker could explain though

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oh noes, faraday again :0

I'll post tonight guys

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Right now I could pick any of Looker, TS, or Pappums as people that need to get more pressure. So I pick

Vote Looker

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surely saying a vote is for pressure negates the point of it.
methinks faraday told me that :p

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Finally - @Twisted Spoon - You promised a post on Wednesday night, but all I've seen is a game theory comment since then. Hope you're not too busy putting the bunting up.. Actually - I might be reduced access over the next couple of days as I try to avoid a certain televised wedding. I'll still try though.

I'm really sorry

I completely forgot about a volunteering meeting I had last night D:

the wedding shouldn't concern me too much despite me being UK too

I have a 5-day weekend now, so I can catch up soon hopefully

sorry again

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Neuky is town. (no one comment on this post for a bit, thanks.)

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explain why you think Sir Neuky is of the town variety?

I'm trying to lynch Quilford and get a read on other players mostly

and why do you think few people have joined you in the Quilford hunt?

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Juls

She hasn't reacted to my vote which rules out scum paranoia and gives me a town read on her

also, are you going to say why you're so sure our friend neuky is town?

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is quilford at l-1? i don't want to hammer but im sort of suspecting him now

This is scum making preparatory excuses for their hammer.

actually, it wasn't the hammer since charter soon voted to put you at L-1

Why would you be annoyed? Answer the question though.

Yes, I am nervous scum.

seems a trick question here

So far my town reads are faraday and twistedspoon

care to explain

please understand that I hold anyone with a town read on me in the highest respect
VOTE: hoplip

I'm not following your Sloth and T-spoon reads.

who are your reads then, Vi?

As for why I declared nueky town, well now I can talk about it. Hiplop basically sheeped my reads last game we played, he was scum there, I was wondering if he'd agree with my neuky town read here. Otoh, I've no idea how much attention he's paying

I pointed that out :0

Also, you forgot to point out you were town in that game
and that Hiplop was only stopped because of my heriocs, as I intend to to this time as well should he be mafioso (which I believe he may be for the reasons above)

like my vote on you was sheeping Faraday.

sheeping Faraday.

Faraday.

Hmm...
Well surely that's two players who've sheeped faraday now
Conclusions, faraday?

@Quilford: Hiplop aside I have yet to hear much of you in other reads. Do you still Suspect Scott? Any other noteworthy opinions on players?
@Scott, Pappums and Hiplop: What are the 3 scummiest things you've seen so far?

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A girl's got to have her secrets. Teehee.

this made me lol

but I still have some empathy with Quilford

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that's awful Juls :0

I hope you gets things back together okay

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@Quilford: Hiplop aside I have yet to hear much of you in other reads. Do you still Suspect Scott? Any other noteworthy opinions on players?
@Scott, Pappums and Hiplop: What are the 3 scummiest things you've seen so far?

Still early in the game, attempting to come up with three things would be reaching and probably forcing myself to see scummy things that didn't really exist. Don't really like the question.

Agree that people are overreacting to Quilford wagon, seems like he hasn't been close to a lynch, even though people are claiming he was at L-1. Quilford seems to suspect only the people on the wagon too which only adds confidence to my vote.

What?

well you've just said the Quilford wagon was scummy so there's one thing you could've pointed out

3 things would have been easy, and it's hardly unreasonable to ask you to contribute since you had virtually nil content before that

7 pages in and after plenty of discussion it is easy to find the 3 most scummy things. I don't like your answer at all and agree with empking here

VOTE: Scotty

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When I flip town, lunch Empking, please.

nah, I just ate

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still annoyed at how Scott has found nothing scummy in the last 10 pages

Quilford is town to me

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Twistedspoon very well could be scum here.

what, for giving my opinion that I think Quilford is town?

It's hardly just me anyways. My opinion is shared by others

Quilford is town.

UNVOTE: Quilford
VOTE: Hiplop

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I have empathy for Quilford. Questions like 'are you nervous scum' are just silly trick ones that give me no reason to think him scum

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Ok, lets just massclaim then.

You weren't serious here were you?

If not that's a very dangerous thing to say; some poor newbie skimming the topic could easily read this and claim in their next post without detecting that you weren't serious :/

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@Scott: what are the 3 scummiest things you've seen now?

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right

I'll probably get stoned for this, but my gut is telling me that the players you find scummiest in Empking, Hiplop and Quilford are my top townreads. I'll have to try and justify that somehow now that I've said it. sigh.

Sure, the L-1 reason for Quilford was horrendous by Hiplop, but I know his scum meta and this doesn't seem to follow suit :/

Scott deserves to be lynched today, IMO, becasue of his tendancy to find NOTHING scummy in the first 7 pages. If that was true there would have been nothing to talk about for 7 pages. he then deflects by saying I'm scummy for trying to get him to share with us the things he's found scummiest. Aside from that nothing merits more than a null read from him at best.

Charter seems a bit anti-town so far, but that could just be playstyle. His massclaim Joke-trap thing could have been a hazard had we less experienced players, and his post-claim Quilford pushing seems artificial. Quilford is most obvtown even more now.

hey empy, what do you think of twistedspoon?

and what do you think of this Twistedspoon fellow?

@Hiplop: I noticed you missed our good friend Sloth off of your list. What is your read on him then?
@Neuky: you seem to have quite a mixed opinion on quilford, or so I gather from your last post. What is your opinion on Charter and who might your top scumread be?

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I don't like this much TS - it was pretty obv a joke,

well let me just say that I didn't see it a joke when I first read it, and a more sheepish player than myself might have followed it seriously

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I'm still thinking he's scum, but want to hear Twisted and Faraday's impressions about the meta from that game - he was scum, AND they lynched him day one. What makes his meta so different now?

Firstly you can't say

they

lynched him D1. I take all the credit for the hiplop lynch in that game. D1 was mine and D2 faraday's

secondly, reading both games in ISO again, I actually agree with you. In both of the games he post a lot of fluff and only reads when provoked (after 14 ISO posts in 1085, and only after I continually asked him)

so yeah, I guess his meta is similar, however since I have no hiplop town meta, I can't make a conclusion as to if it is solely scum hiplop who posts fluff

@Hiplop: do you have any past town games on mafiascum?

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this is my second game on mafiascum, though faraday has seen me as town

and that makes you town automatically?

we both know faraday can be wrong, hiplop :/

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scum

Quilford
Empking

also can you guys explain the suspicions on Empking?

Why put empking in your scumlist when you don't even know why people suspect him?

VOTE: Hiplop

hey, nice find

I'll gladly join this wagon once our pal Scotty has made his catchup post

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and that makes you town automatically?

we both know faraday can be wrong, hiplop :/

where did i say this? i said faraday has seen me as town

this is my second game on mafiascum, though faraday has seen me as town

the though part made it seem as though you thought that justified yourself as town because farady has a town read on you

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but you used it as though it made you town since faraday said he had a town read on you

nevermind. If other players think it's a tell they can judge. I'm hardly going to convince you yourself that you're scum :/

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Firstly you can't say

they

lynched him D1. I take all the credit for the hiplop lynch in that game.

D1 was mine

and D2 faraday's

I had to laugh at that -that was the most amazing D1 I've seen - 34 pages. But you were a "bit" wrong about faraday lol.. anyway, I do agree

lol, yeah

it was frustrating at times but I can't complain since I ended up being so wrong D2 XP

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@TS: Why are you waiting to join the Lynch Hiplop party until Scott shows up?

my vote on scott was insurance to make sure he turned up and posted. No vote = No pressure = no post from scott
but now he's posted...
So yeah, Sloth's nice catch has put the final nail in the coffin for me
VOTE: Hiplop

I think he's being relatively careless and sort of just posting on a whim?

So i take it you think this is more of a newb-town tell than newb-scum?
either way, Hiplop will have to be lynched eventually, and I don't see why not now. He's a lylo hazard to say the least

I'm posting differently because I'm around different people.

?

How would you say that affects your play?

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either way, Hiplop will have to be lynched eventually, and I don't see why not now. He's a lylo hazard to say the least

Wait wait wait. I'm all for a hiplop lynch but not on policy grounds.
Is hiplop scum, or is hiplop useless?

at the worst, scum
at the least, a LyLo hazard
both of which merit a lynch before LyLo at the very least. I highly doubt scum will kill hiplop if He's town, unless he is a strong, revealed PR :/

either way, Hiplop will have to be lynched eventually, and I don't see why not now. He's a lylo hazard to say the least

You should show me games where you've displayed this thought process before, if you can.

tbh, I'm sure I have in a previous game, but I've no idea which. I don't remember each different thought process of mine during every game. Seems a tricky question for me to answer there compadré
I can respect your town read on hiplop, and you can expect my scum read on him, especially after the slip that slothy found

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either way, Hiplop will have to be lynched eventually, and I don't see why not now. He's a lylo hazard to say the least

Wait wait wait. I'm all for a hiplop lynch but not on policy grounds.
Is hiplop scum, or is hiplop useless?

at the worst, scum
at the least, a LyLo hazard
both of which merit a lynch before LyLo at the very least. I highly doubt scum will kill hiplop if He's town, unless he is a strong, revealed PR :/

That doesn't answer the question.

Hiplop very well could be scum. My vote on him indicates my suspicions of him, rekindled recently be Sloth's find
Hiplop being useless is a harder and more opinion-based case to argue than that of him being scum. I'm not voting him because he's useless, but because of my suspicions and what I think his role PM is. It would be unfair to argue he's useless and not directly related to his alignment imo. Scum hiplop played similarly to this in our last game. If he can be judged useless then by a harsher critic than myself, then he should be so now

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With 5 days before the deadline and it being pretty clear that there isn't any interest in lynching Scott today

I was interested...

I have a town read on Faraday (mostly due to the fact that he's declaring so many people to me town, something that I think scum would be hesistant to do), so I am willing to trust his read on Charter.

so you have a town read on charty because faraday does? interesting
so why do you not have a town read on hiplop then beacause farady does? Same for your Quilford read if faraday still thinks Quilly is scum

I don't object to either an Empking or a Hiplop lynch, but I think that the Empking wagon looks better,

why does empking look more scummy than Hoplip to you?

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hmm as inevitable as this lynch may have appeared to be I was still willing to go scotty or hiplop

anyways, best we can do now is hope Empking flips scum (he was my 3rd highest scum read if you were wondering) until tommorow :/
hopefully I can get a post in later before the lock :0

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who's to say he'll flip town? Do you know something compadré?

anyways, didn't I just say in my last post that he was my 3rd highest scum read, so I'm not actually going to gain any town points from a town-flip empking am I?

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is the reason because I'm not scum? Has anyone given a reason why my post in twilight was terribad?

Also I'm not a miller either. Not sure why faraday asked that :/

why did the scum kill havingfitz?

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you got a guilty on hiplop did you?

then I am pleased my suspicions were correct

VOTE: hiplop

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*expects hiplop to claim miller or yelp about a framer*

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That's where my vote would be going, but if TS gets to L-1, his buddies will quicklynch him.

but I don't have any buddies >_>

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squee

do I get to claim now :3

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also, since my hiplop vote is now suddenly void

VOTE: Charter

seems like he's avoiding my wagon, yet pushing it because he know's I'll be flipping town

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I didn't claim scum

why would I?

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does anyone understand how I claimed scum in twilight or are we taking the hiplop philosophy of

i dont really understand the twilight thing but it seems to be a unanimous thing that he claimed scum

anyways, I'm still thinking our chum hiplop is potential scum...
but he doesn't seem viable after that gambit of faraday's
why couldn't you have done it on me faraday? :p

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no I'm not a miller

quick question: isn't miller protocol to claim at at start anyways?

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then surely we have no millers if that is true

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i still don't see the reason why my twilight post was scummy

I was stating my last thoughts on empking and my hope that he'd flip scum.
The speed of this wagon is disturbing and I suspect it has scum aboard if not scum driven

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well I'm VT, I know that much

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It's a little unfair. I think TS is likely scum, but not 100%.

sounds like scum knowing I'll flip town

VOTE: Sloth

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Since there's not much else to talk about since my last post:

Vote Twistedspoon

uh have you been reading the thread?

not much to talk about?

my claim for starters maybe?

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Your claim doesn't matter at this point.

why not?

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ah...

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well my claim should have been discussed before the hammer

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oh well

at least I'm not full on mini games now

GL chaps

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Twistedspoon -

Less whining, more advice.

Really? Good riddance.

ouch

low blow amigo

good riddance is quite odd to say considering you don't know my flip tho'

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Until we play again comradés

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this is the last time I'm going to lose as scum
watch this space

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Though the world and it's mother got Twisted, so.