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Wow look at all them commie reds. I wonder if there's more.Day 1 Lynch wrote:- 13 (q21,Snake, antihero, Nero Cain,silavor, Dramonic,vezokpiraka, Mariyta, Tragedy, Reck, GreyICE,Haylen,Baby Spice)Kcdaspot
GreyICE - 4 (Purple Orange, Espeonage, EmpTyger,)Umbrage
- 3 (Thingyman, DarlaBlueEyes, Llamarble)Kcdaspot
Espeonage - 2 (werewolf555,)q21
- 1 (PrayPiotr)Umbrage
Not Voting - 1 (Kise)
I had to go back and do this again cuz I forgot a vote for one was basically a vote for the other, soooo
Antihero - He was on q21/Umbrage most of the day it seems.
Nero Cain - OMGUS crap vote on Umbrage. Voted because Q21 "makes his head hurt." Lurky lurky scummy turkey.
Dramonic - Hard to tell here. I think this was okay. Agreed with the AtE bit.
Mariyta/Tragedy are town, yay for role PMs
xReckx - I dunno what to think of the AIM business. Reaction would prolly be geniune regardless of alignment. Says Umbrage is town then votes q21 a few votes later?
GreyICE - No problem with what he was doing.
So I'm seeing the Nero/Reck pair as possible scum on the wagon. More on Nero's side that Reck's, but.
Apparently my vote's on Espeonage. What's the story with him.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I'm already on Espeonage, apparently.
I see some links there with Reck.
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lulzGreyICE wrote:If nothing else because we're 1-1 on mislynches, and I'd rather him not have the score tilt back to me.
I dunno how much of this I really wanna read because it looks like some seriously stupid shenanigans took place in here at one point.
If there's highlights of something I'm all ears tho.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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@Grey, thanks for the highlights. The no NK part is a really interesting dynamic. Do we have PRs in this?
P.S. Don't you get tired of being town all the time?
Isn't it weird? Hiraki's here too. I had no idea who was in the game when I requested to replace in, I just saw a large normal needed two people and thought "well hellAshblade wrote:I swear Ice, you and me are following each other now. But we're playing needle in the haystack.that'sprobably not gonna happen."
Anyway.
Can you bulletpoint what's wrong with Kise then?
That might be true. Anyone know if Tragedy is cute?Espeonage wrote:This game would be SOOOOOO much more fun in real life.
What things.Espeonage wrote:That said. In light of recent things. I don't want to lynch Trag/Zito.
Cuz see you were on the Tragedy wagon which is counter to yours and now there's a Kise wagon that's counter to yours and oh look wagonhop.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Hang who?Ashblade wrote:So can we hang these guys now?
Wryyyyyyyyyy are you trying to put together partners?Fluff wrote:So I did some reasearch.
Its dram/xalxe and ash/evil llama
There's a lot of partner speculation going on and I don't get it. Can we plz just flip one scum pair andthengo look for the partner?
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Man those assumptions make me twitch.
Especially when I don't really see Reck as town.
Also you were already on Kise lol?
But competing bandwagons are good yeah and I'm wondering why Kise hasn't jumped yet honestly.
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So this post prompted me to do an ISO read and it came out a lot better than I expected.Nero Cain wrote:
I don't like my questions ignored no matter how trivial and stupid they are.Nero Cain wrote:Got my prod.
Maybe its b/c its like 5 in the morning but WHAT?!?GreyICE wrote: DRAM IS TOWN NOW BECAUSE YOU NEED RECK TO LYNCH ME
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Oh lawd.SensFan wrote:Fate replaces Xalxe.
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Yes well.Tragedy wrote:It's usually empty, the QT, sometimes.
I don't think Tragedy has taken me seriously since I complained about the lack of pillowfights in the QT.
I should probably suggest counseling but.
kxRECKONERx wrote:Scum and town list. Now.
These are my reads, btw. Given Esp I'm not really willing to sheep Tragedy anymore.
Towned: EmpTyger, Llamafluff
Townishousness: GreyICE, Kise, Llamarble, Nero Cain
Scummionic: Ashblade, Reck, Antihero
Harf: Dramonic, Hiraki
Wut: Fate
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Well I don't do the meta thing, as much as Reck would love for us to "clear" you, so lack of is lack of.dramonic wrote:Zito's been passive-aggressive towards Xalxe/Fate (AKA me) since he got in and he only now is voting our lover pair, which is odd, but the fact he's trying to jumpstart a wagon instead of leaping on it after its started is town. Though I wouldn't follow it
What exactly are your motivations for voting me PZ, lurking?
I did a pretty hard look at the first couple lynch wagons this game and saw you were a midrange joiner on both. Then I examined your reasons for joining those wagons and found:
1. Your hop onto the q21 wagon was extremely poor. You had the lover pairs confused, and you voted him twice which tells me you didn't even remember where your vote was.
2. Your hop onto Kcdaspot wagon was even worse - In the post where you voted, you talked about several other people and never mentioned Kcda except to note that your town-read on that slot had dramatically changed. But without laying a thought process aboutwhyit changed, my guess is that this was just a vote of convenience.
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You.Llamarble wrote:At this point we're pretty much waiting for Zito/Tragedy to decide who dies, which is unfortunate since they're probably scum with Kise.
Llamarble.
What are the links between Zito/Tragedy and Kise.
FTR I'm ... not really sure what Tragedy is doing either.
QT remains a Hall of Mystery.
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I didn't ask you to cite anything. GTFOGreyICE wrote:'cause it's the same whoever tells this stuff to you? I'm bored citing the obvious here, ask something interesting next time.
His 153.GreyICE wrote:More to the point, what's your thoughts on the entire Kise/LlamaFluff day 5 Wagon dance they did
Hmm. I think I blew over that post cuz it's such a massive wall. K yeah that's not a townie mindset, I don't mind a Kise lynch.
So you did. Good deal.Llamarble wrote:I mentioned my reasoning for Trag/Kise scumteam in 39 of my ISO.
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OICdramonic wrote:Sorry, forgot to reply to it <_<;
Good to know I'm so important <3 you bastard.
No?dramonic wrote:1. I don't see how my confusion with the lover pairs makes my vote worse, frankly.
Iso 4: "nothing against you buddy, but your little lover is trying to attack my actual lover for reacting to a false accusation and calling Kise out for it, and that's freakin scummy."
Who is this addressing?
howwwwwwwwwww do you manage to contradict yourself in two sentences like whoosh.dramonic wrote: And I wouldn't say i didnt remember where my vote was as much as I wanted to put my vote on Q21 at that moment. It was already there, but I got to reiterate my stance
Yes plz.dramonic wrote:I mean, I could go pull what made me think BS was town and what stopped me from thinking she was in her ISO if you wish
GREY:GreyICE wrote:ZITO:
CLAIM SCUM IN THREAD
VOTE FOR ME OVER BUDDY
OR BUS
WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN I DO NONE OF THESE THINGS???????/////
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So if your confusion was around q21, who you were addressing, and voting, how is it not relevant?dramonic wrote: Q21
That's fair. Did you post any of this in the thread tho?dramonic wrote:She was town until the whole self-voting and "I ARE ANALYZING A SMILEY!" BS. then she went to hell faster than you can say hell.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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If he's town his wincon is to lynch the scums. He's voting himself. Hurpadurp.xRECKONERx wrote:If he's town, he's not playing against his wincon.
If he's scum his wincon is to mislynch the townies. He's voting himself. Hurpadurp.
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I'm only half-listening to this conference call, yeah.GreyICE wrote:PEDIT: PZ, you've had time for twice as many posts in the past few hours as you've contributed in the past few weeks.
<b><font color="green">q21</font></b> - 13 (<b><font color="red">Snake</font></b>, <b><font color="green">silavor</font></b>, antihero, Nero Cain, <b><font color="red">vezokpiraka</font></b>, Dramonic, <b><font color="green">Haylen</font></b>, <b><font color="green">Mariyta</font></b>, <b><font color="green">Tragedy</font></b>, Reck, GreyICE, <b><font color="red">Baby Spice</font></b>, <b><font color="red">Kcdaspot</font></b>)
GreyICE - 4 (<b><font color="green">Purple Orange</font></b>, <b><font color="green">Espeonage</font></b>, EmpTyger, <b><font color="green">Umbrage</font></b>)
<b><font color="red">Kcdaspot</font></b> - 3 (Thingyman, DarlaBlueEyes, Llamarble)
<b><font color="green">Espeonage</font></b> - 2 (werewolf555, <b><font color="green">q21</font></b>)
<b><font color="green">Umbrage</font></b> - 1 (<b><font color="green">PrayPiotr</font></b>)
Not Voting - 1 (<b><font color="green">Kise</font></b>)
<b><font color="red">Kcdaspot</font></b> - 12 (Reck, <b><font color="green">silavor</font></b>, vezok, <b><font color="green">Tragedy</font></b>, Nero, Dram, <b><font color="green">Mariyta</font></b>, <b><font color="red">Kcdaspot</font></b>, GreyICE, werewolf, <b><font color="green">Kise</font></b>, Llamarble)
<b><font color="green">Mariyta</font></b> - 3 (<b><font color="green">Espeonage</font></b>, <b><font color="green">Purple Orange</font></b>, <b><font color="red">Baby Spice</font></b>)
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- 13 (q21,Snake, antihero, Nero Cain,silavor, Dramonic,vezokpiraka, Mariyta, Tragedy, Reck, GreyICE,Haylen,Baby Spice)Kcdaspot
GreyICE - 4 (,Purple Orange, EmpTyger,Espeonage)Umbrage
- 3 (Thingyman, DarlaBlueEyes, Llamarble)Kcdaspot
- 2 (werewolf555,Espeonage)q21
- 1 (Umbrage)PrayPiotr
Not Voting - 1 ()Kise
- 12 (Reck,Kcdaspot, vezok, Tragedy, Nero, Dram, Mariyta,silavor, GreyICE, werewolf,Kcdaspot, Llamarble)Kise
- 3 (Mariyta,Espeonage,Purple Orange)Baby Spice
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That's the first two wagons.
I found it telling that both mafia lover pairs were on the q21 wagon. I believe one of not both of the werewolf pairs may be.
Wait sorry.
READ SCUM THAT'S THE FIRST TWO WAGONS AND SHOWS YOU MAY BE WEREWOLF SCUM LOLOLloLOlOlKappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Ashblade wrote:AKA a case by Friday.
THIS IS WHERE YOUR TOWNREAD COMES FRMO AMIRITE? SHOWING UP RIGHT WHEN THE MISLYNCH GOES DOWN SANS CASE ON SAID MISLYNCH?Ashblade wrote:Prod received, sorry about being away.
And finally! The lynch went through on Kise. That I'm happy about. If he doesn't flip scum I'll shut up about it.
RHETORIC VS DATA AND LOGIC HMMGreyICE wrote: Well I suggest it's because his PM is town, and yours was 'werewolf.'
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xRECKONERx wrote:Yeah, but if he's town, he's willingly voting himself to get that over with since he knows he's dead in the water.
Orly.
I see a budding counterwagon that says otherwise.
I like how you entertain this possibility but don't.xRECKONERx wrote:It could also be a scum ploy to gain town points.
xRECKONERx wrote:ITT Zito treats idle speculation without factual evidence as God-given truth
mmhmmPapa Zito wrote:I believeone of not both of the werewolf pairsmaybe.
orlyxRECKONERx wrote:PZ to jump down his throat right off the bat.
Where's my vote right now Reck?
See the best part of this is that I'm suddenly active (aka a threat) and now come the votes.
AND you're playing the Stupid Pairs Game again. ffs Find one andthenfind the other.
P.S. GREY you still didn't explain your Ashblade is town or how his fewer posts are somehow better than my moar posts.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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BUT RECKxRECKONERx wrote:ITT Zito treats idle speculation without factual evidence as God-given truth
HOW CAN THIS BExRECKONERx wrote:"may be" is just another way of not committing to something so you can back out OH LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW
P.S.xRECKONERx wrote:I HAVE CLEARLY SAID (AT LEAST A BILLION TIMES NOW) THAT MY READ ON DRAM IS PURE GUT & META & PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP STUFF
lol?xRECKONERx wrote:ITT Zito treats idle speculation without factual evidence as God-given truth
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Tragedy is a pure snowflake on the December winds. I don't know where she's going either but it's beautiful to watch.xRECKONERx wrote:Tragedy, what the fuck.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Yes I do. Glad to see you backtracking here.xRECKONERx wrote:You obviously think that your vote count analysis has some merit. God-given truth was a hyperbole.
Two issues here.xRECKONERx wrote:If I had not called you out on it, you probably would've continued to do VCA to link Grey to being werewolf in some shady manner.
1. If what I'm supposedly going to do (ITT Reck prognosticates!) is so "shady" why wouldn't you continue to let me do it? Stopping an enemy from making a mistake why?
2. How do you know Greyisn'ta werewolf?
VOTE: xRECKONERx
With both members of one scumteam sitting happily on that first wagon, I see no reason why it wouldn't draw the other one as well.xRECKONERx wrote:Fact is, doing VCA right now is utter bullshit especially considering your only response to how it could be useful was that WELL I THINK WEREWOLF WERE DEF. ON THE WAGON THOUGH IDK HOW
A couple things make this attack really poor.
1. I already talked about these wagons here yet it didn't garner this response at that time. It didn't get any response at all in fact.
2. I hadn't posted a vote or any real analysis yet, just the wagons themselves. You're attacking me for what I might do or could do and didn't even wait to see if I would do those.
So much lulz.xRECKONERx wrote:NOT THE SAME THING.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Yup. I had two confirmed townies who'd been in the game from the beginning and they both said Espeonage was scum, so I saw no reason to change.DemonHybrid wrote:Your vote has been on Espy since Mariyta left.
I mention that here:
Also I'm not sure why I'd make any comments on Mariyta's play. Nobody asked for any, I know what her alignment was, what was the point? When was this ever standard?Papa Zito wrote:Given Esp I'm not really willing to sheep Tragedy anymore.
I disagree with my posts being fluff.
Next bit about dram: I'd been doing iso rereads of people in the background e.g.
and if I posted a case later then what's the problem then? First you argue I'm not scumhunting now you're arguing that questioning dram is bad?Papa Zito wrote:So this post prompted me to do an ISO read and it came out a lot better than I expected.
Erm yeah except I have been. I don't care if it's DemonHybrid Brand (tm) or not and also making sure a lynch goes through at deadline is scummy how?DemonHybrid wrote:Talk about wagon hops. Nearing deadline is NOT a substitute for doing no scumhunting.
Reck slipped that he knows Grey is town.DemonHybrid wrote:This is purely an OMGUS post.
So to sum up, your multitude of reasons turned out to be:
1. I stayed on Espeonage.
2. I voted dram.
3. I'm not scumhunting the way you'd like me to.
Not terribly impressive, Inspector Gadget.
P.S. According to QT Mariyta replaced out because you're all a bunch of dipshits. So there's that.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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Mariyta, obv.DemonHybrid wrote:Two confirmed townies?
So (to you), that'd be Tragedy and...who else?
DemonHybrid wrote:I'm not asking you to make comments. I'm stating what was wrong with her play.DemonHybrid wrote:Sort of weak reasoning.Still not any comments on Mariyta's play, agreements or disagreements on the current vote and reasoning to back it up.
Both are perfectly acceptable.DemonHybrid wrote:What is more genuine: making a case and then placing a vote or placing a vote before you even think about making a case?
Incorrect.DemonHybrid wrote:There is no indication that you think Kise is scum. In fact, you explicitly state that you believe Kise is "townish", but still go for his lynch anyway.
PZ 33 wrote:Hmm. I think I blew over that post cuz it's such a massive wall. K yeah that's not a townie mindset, I don't mind a Kise lynch.PZ 40 wrote:I am cool with that list tho I'd stick Kise in there. Course I get why you wouldn't.
ThisDemonHybrid wrote:Papa Zito sheeped and killed two townies. He sheeped and killed two townies. And that's terrible.
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She mentioned 3 people in the QT as being the reason why she left. Espeonage wasn't one of them. And out of respect for her privacy (and I dunno if these QTs are gonna be made public or not anyway) I won't say who they were. It had nothing to do with "pressure" from what I read in there.DemonHybrid wrote:My point is that if Mari thought Espy was scum legitimately, she wouldn't have flipped out and left the game at a countercase from him.
watDemonHybrid wrote:How could you forget who you replaced?
So my takeaway from all this is that you're cherry-picking my iso.
Just to sum up, the two who've bothered to post reasons for my lynch want me dead cuz:
1. I posted a colorful vote count;
2. I may have in the future done something "shady";
3. I trusted the reads of two townies confirmed to me who were in the game from the beginning;
4. Sometimes I make a case and vote, and sometimes I vote then make a case;
5. I'm "tunneling random people" which is somehow different from regular scumhunting.
Now if you guys can't figure out my alignment based on that mess then we should just gg now and give the game to the wolves.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.- Papa Zito
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I'm not. Mariyta is a different person. She had her own view of the game, just as Tragedy has her own view of the game. Both of these people were on Espeonage's wagon when I replaced in. In fact, Mariyta seemed to be leading it. It had nothing to do with being "lethargic" and more to do with trusting the reads of players I knew I could trust. I've even provided a quote to back this up so I'm not sure why you continue to push this point except for the sake of pushing it.DemonHybrid wrote:I didn't think you were counting yourself.
No, you're completely missing the point. She felt that 3 people in this game were being mean to her personally. She decided she no longer wanted to play with those people and replaced out. It had absolutely nothing to do with Espeonage, or anything Espeonage said, or anything Espeonage did. It had entirely to do with three other people being mean to her and her not wanting to deal with it.DemonHybrid wrote:You're completely dodging the point. Epsy shouldn't even HAVE BEEN one of them. If she thought he was scum, no amount of countercase should make her blow up that easily.
And as a person who's done the exact same thing, as town, I totally support her decision.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity. - Papa Zito
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