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Can you explain this? I believe Espeonage is scum, but I need to know why you believe he is. This seems like someone connected dots 3 and 85 together.Tragedy wrote:
OBJECTION.Espeonage wrote:Kise's partner is mia so that adds kise to the list. I know you think kise is town but just saying.
I do believe the town pool should be extended to have Grey/Anti and Emp/Thingy(replacement) as a subset in the probably town pool. That leaves Llama/Ash and Kise/PP as the next lynches. If somehow they are both town then we can move to the other two.
I'm just prioritising lynches here seeing as we're discussing this.
You mentionedKise's Partner, which makes him add him into the list.How come?
You're just double bussing with your scum partner(s), I think?
You two have been onto the throats on each other, I think again.
But then there's the same problem withEmpTyger's Partner, whose BEING replaced?
You decided to slit the throat out of a partner-less person but you just simply think the other partner-less idiot is TOWN?
THIS IS IRONICALLY MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL!
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You, the average ordinary common man, may be asking,
"Why is this Hiraki guy saying that Purple Orange and Espeonage are scum?!!? They be nice people!"
Well...um. You're wrong. Well at least Espeonage has to be scum at this point.
#2 is an easy way to say, "I'm BWing." Instead of saying why EmpTyger is scummy, he's merely scummy. While he does give reasoning that Thingyman is scum, the only reasoning is that because he's lurking away from the action. His ISO #2 was on Page 4 btw.
SOMETHING SHOULD BE RINGING RIGHT NOW, THAT SOMETHING IS QUITE POSSIBLY WRONG.
So, when asked (By Reck) why Emp is being voted, Espeonage responds with ISO #6. "Because he's Emp's lover"
So Reck asks why, being reasonable of course.
Oh you mean the post where you called Emp scummy, and BW'd onto Thingy.Espeonage wrote:
I made a post. Seems like other people agree. Considering the miniscule amound ofxRECKONERx wrote:...oh.
But why is he scummy, independently?realdiscussion that has happened so far we also need a pressure wagon as well.
Oh that post. Gave a lot of reasoning.
Next on the list is #8.
Oh you mean theReck wrote:@ Thingy: You're missing the point. The claiming issue should never have needed to be discussed. You're nowhere near the only person to post about about it but the whole thing in and as of itself was stupid and time wasting. Luckily time is a non issue in this game.newbie made stupid discussion and wasted time?
Oh you mean that luckily time isn't an issue?
Oh so um. What is the issue, if it was just stupid? That says, stupid not scummy. Have you ever heard of a VI?
9-17 is useless. Then we get to some real content. I'd say more, but I haven't been very happy in the area of content, so we'll call this the first!
Oh dear.Espeonage wrote:Unvote
Vote: Kcd
Least important point first: It's hard to believe if you had time to make a non-helpful post then you would have had enough time to make a post at least halfway helpful to anyone.
And that's why the vote is on you not Baby.
Now Baby, in my skim read for Kise while looking for where my vote would go (I'm leaving Emp and Thingy alone for now because emp is making an effort and despite not agreeing with him he does have some points valid to his thinking as shown in thread.) I came across #162.
You obviously had time to make a post so you made a half assed attempt at passing off resonding to a random person's points in a discussion which doesn't concern you. Fine it's Mafia but a) couldn't be less confrontation, fencesitting and trying to make everyone happy and b) has no grounds other than an opinion which hasn't taken into account that people have brain lapses when reading something that is suggesting against the facts. Such as what is the case with the whole nightkill shizz. Passing the post off with a smilie may be fine but so far as I can see with the exception of in the short rvs noone has thought it apt to make a joke in the same post as something trying to pass itself off as serious.
Mountain out of an ant hill yes but adding to the fact that your partner is obviously active lurking through the early stages of the game and you have something that looks pretty bad.
Usually, I'd start at the top, but I'm not.
First off, you realize that this is a sucky case, by calling it a mountain out of an ant hill.
Second, your posts haven't really been helpful. Don't argue this.
Third,Espeonage wrote:now Baby, in my skim read for Kise
Not major, but certainly not minor.Espeonage wrote:This is probably one of maybe two or three games where I actually havn't skimmed.
To continue these points, we're going to need to see #162, by Kcda.
Wait a moment. What's this?
Interesting. So um. Here's my questions.Baby Spice wrote:
a) Hate that phrase myself, but I see wagon happy townies do it all the time. I don't think it's really a scumdicator this early on d1Umbrage wrote: a) I don't like the phrasing of "the better bandwagon". It really screams of scum trying to switch to the wagon with the most potential.
b) From my point of view (and I think someone else already said it) scum are the most likely to realize it's a nightless game.
c) So wait, you're voting him because he forgot it was a nightless game?
ScumTyger is feeding you crap to excuse his switch to the most popular wagon.
b) Mentioned something like four or five times in the signup thread so I really doubt your logic here.
Also I can't see someone deliberately passing bad advice to their mason partner to justify their own actions. A non-mason partner yeah but not a mason one.
Also, confirm Kcd as the lucky(?) winner
How the hell is A a fense-sit.
Why is B mattering so much?
This vote is absolute shit. I'm extremely angered that you all have not looked at Espeonage's rampages.
Let's move on though. #19.
I'm going to put my assumption here and say that Reck is asking about Emp. First off, he talks about Active Lurking. But um. How is Thingy active lurking? Why isn't werewolf scummier. Kcd is THE active lurker?Espeonage wrote:@ reck from a couple of pages back. I know the case is a stretch but Active Lurking is alo scummier than plain lurking. werewolf is also guilty of this but kcd is THE active lurker in this game. I'm not going to stick my head in the whole reck-kise-silavor thing other than to say that I most agree with recks posting (maybe not the tone) but I'm not 100% sold on either of them being scum. Kise could easily be mistaken and silavor seems to just be out of his depth.
Other than that my vote stays until I get reason to believe that kcd is actually being stupid and not deliberately active lurking.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? THIS IS ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT. IT'S PAGE 11 ACCORDING TO THE THREAD. YOU CAN'T SAY SOMEONE IS ACTIVELY LURKING IN A GAME WITH 20+. THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS SIR.
Also, not sticking your head is sitting back, which is basically fense-sitting in not taking an opinion, something thatyouused as a weapon against Kcda/Babyspice, even if it wasn't in the same context. By that fact, you are already confirmed scum in my eyes. However, I'm going to keep moving on. Just because, I am requiring you to die today. I will be extremely pissed, confused and outraged if you flip town at this point.
Btw, just a note, I don't know if any of you may be context whores. But when I say scum, I mean wolf. I hate people who make those cases, especially when they don't make sense.
#20.
This is something I agree on, and why both are town to me. However, he doesn't note if he thinks Reck is town though.Espeonage wrote:Oh shutup. Kise is town regardless of wether she had a convo with anyone about this game. For someone to beat a wagon that hard they had to be extremely sure. 1 for 1 is not in scums interests. The only way kise is scum is if the two of you are scum buddies and this is crafted. I'm not seeing that anymore so therefore kise is town. That doesn't mean reck is scum however.
Hmmzorz.
#21.
The irony of making bad cases. Not talking about Emp, because I'm getting a bit bored by this.Espeonage wrote:@ Llama looks bad = scummy, unless you are looking to make incredibly weak first page cases.
#22 is garbage.
#23 has some juice in it though.
First, you only made one post on Kcd's "bad play".Espeonage wrote:Would someone like to go and have a look at what I have been saying all day? kcd's the worst lurker in this game seeing as he is the most active lurker. He is a better lynch than any of the other wagons because they, if they are indeed scum, can actually give us a hand catching members of their rival scumteam.
@Umbridge, No it hasn't gone unnoticed. But then again neither has your bad play.
Second, you agreed with Umbridge in Kcda pressure. Of course he has bad play! Not to mention, you didn't even give a hint of suspicion before this.
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Ahh see? This looks awful. It looks like a total OMGUS to me, at this point.Espeonage wrote:Umbridge. I'm planning a case. Don't really want to derail my own wagon though.
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No case. Derailment of wagon, which was noted above to not want to happen. And this just proves you're skimming at this point.Espeonage wrote:Only just realised. This game is only 5 days old. Most games with this many people are barely forming wagons by this stage. We still have over two weeks to deadline.
OK, fill out this form:
Two biggest scumpairs:
Two pairs you think need to pick up their post (rate or quality) but you have a town read on:
Two townpairs:
#29. I'm skipping, I don't really care.
Y'know. Just because you discuss something in the QT doesn't make it right. Perhaps you should present a case like you did with Umbrage...and Thingy...and--Espeonage wrote:We have discussed this at length in the QT and it has been brewing for some time.
Vote: Grey
Fuck! Espeonage still hasn't made a decent case on anyone. He has made a case on Kcda, but that was total crappola.
Plus, this looks like horrible OMGUS'ing, excluding the part where PO made a case.
But no examples. Le soupir.Purple_Orange wrote:But Grey has misreps, ad homs, and the worst facade of aggressive scumhunting I've seen in a long time. Which, meh, might not be so bad in itself, because one can get reactions from a push like that (see benefit of the doubt). But then the final, "oh, ok, people don't seem to be buying this case...let's give myself a backdoor out and say maybe Umbrage is just really bad town...let's turn on a dime and drop this guy and sheep the kcda wagon!" That was pretty darn bad.
#30 and 31 just show that Espeonage is skimming, and doesn't have a decent read of the thread....again.
Y'know. I'd like to finish this, but fuck. There's a lot of posts, and this already looks bad.
If youreallywant me to torture myself, I better have a guarantee of your vote at this point. Y'know. Because Espeonage deserves it.-
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Reck wrote:Also, the scummiest part about that final vote count is EmpTyger not voting despite being active.
Emp likes to consult with me before making a vote. A bit sketchy, I know, but nevertheless is true. You could call us polar opposites, really.Emp wrote:(I do not expect Hiraki to like or agree with this. I expect us to have some words for each other.)-
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I CAN'T KEEP UP. BUT IMMA STAY LIKE WEREWOLF.GreyICE wrote:ABSOLUTE ZERO
THE TEMPERATURE WHERE NOTHING MOVES
I CAN'T MAKE MY FUCKING PARTNER PLAY THE GAME
HERE'S THE LIST OF TEAMS WITH A PARTNER WHO HAVE FLAKED:
XRECKONER
DRAMONIC
TRAGEDY
KISE
LLAMARBLE
EMPTYGER
I MAY BE JOINING THIS LIST
No seriously, I will have a catch-up by the weekend. I've been reading but fuck, I can't my thoughts straight.-
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I don't, but um. You haven't been using that much either when I was being sort of active either.EmpTyger wrote:I'm sick, I'm working overtime, I'm supposed to be going out of town this weekend. I haven't found the time to read more than a few pages this past week. My partner doesn't want to use the quicktopic. What am I supposed to do? I'm giving my thoughts and trying to work with the rest of the town as best I can.
I fell asleep at the computer, but I'll get my recap on by tonight. It's halfway done.-
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Crackles fingers.
LET'S DO THIS.
Yeah, so I decided to do it from Reck's post on Page 74. #1849
I might be wrong, but didn't you call him town for these reasons? I thought you said him producing content every so often while lurking was pretty townie on his part.Reck wrote:BUT NO GUYS DRAM LURKING IS WAY WORSE THAN EVERYONE ELSE LURKING/FLAKING ESPECIALLY WHEN HE DOES THIS EVERY GAME
Interesting notion. Just a heads up, sorry for lurking.Tragedy wrote:There may be a case when a lazy retarded town starts avoiding the game since they're "Town"...
I bet scum would be a bit more better than that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this looks like RECK is advocating Dramscum for once, am I incorrect or something?LlamaFluff wrote:
It STILL is scummy.xRECKONERx wrote:BUT NO GUYS DRAM LURKING IS WAY WORSE THAN EVERYONE ELSE LURKING/FLAKING ESPECIALLY WHEN HE DOES THIS EVERY GAME
Im tired as hell of hearing the "they always do it" as an excuse to give people passes on playing scummy, or lurking, or any of that crap. I would rather just keep lynching for this stuff to get the point across that they need to change how they play for the enjoyment of all other player.
Dram is NOT making cases, he IS lurking, he DOES need to be lynched. Even if you cut out the slip which I still say has to be one since its the only point in the ENTIRE game his terminology changed, he reads as scum. Im done repeting it, im done giving passes for this type of play. Both him and his revolving door lover need lynching.
How can you advocate someone's meta push for you being town. Shouldn't you try to be townie?Dram wrote:Are you purposely missing the point here llama?
Just a little?
Tiny bit? PLEASE?
I like this a lot. It's good theory, but I wouldn't use it as foundation. I'm starting to like Dramscum more and more. I think I started to dislike it before, but I don't remember why.LlamaFluff wrote:Emp hit the hammer on the head regarding dram. When you throw in the "everyone who lurks is scum" its another great reason to lynch his slot because his lover has zero content, lurks and ALSO refuses to make cases. Seriously people, how to TWO people who are LOVERS make it this far without being brutally lynched without having other scum not letting them/ignoring them? Do you really think that if dram was town, with FOUR other scum this would go unmentioned?
So maybe you should try and make a better case for Dram.xRECKONERx wrote:Whatever.
I'm so tired of hearing you yell about dram being scum when he's not.
But then. um.Papa Zito wrote:
I would but Esp.LlamaFluff wrote:
Xalxe is dram partner, join me.Papa Zito wrote:I am all for a Xalxe lynch FTR. He's posting all over the damn place EXCEPT HERE HMM.
(Also Tragedy is the jealous type)
Why would you even bring it up. I think this a soft defense, for the moment.
Noted for later. Seeing that PO/Esp flipped town, shouldn't Ashblade want Kise dead? I don't believe that was the case though.Ashblade wrote:Well, I read what I missed, and most of it makes my brain want to shut down. We need a lynch, bad and right now we're spinning in circles until said lynch happens.
The biggest reason I see PO/Esp town is their reactions to Kise's slaughterfest feel townie to me. It's why I switched to Kise and why I haven't wanted to lynch them for a while now. Unfortunately that doesn't mean I haven't been wrong before, but I do want to see Llama's reasons why they are town.
Quoted for reference as well.Kise wrote:4-person qts are more likely to generate active scummers IMO.
Come on RECK! I thought you were above the standards. You should try guilty until proven innocent.Reck wrote:4) Actually, there is a reason to think dram's innocent, and it's called previous experience. I don't know why the burden of proof is on me to prove he's innocent when the standard is innocent until proven guilty, which NOBODY HAS DONE YET.
You don't think that this was expected? I mean you are defending Dram pretty hardcore. I see more townie defenses than scummy, but w/e.Reck wrote:Now EmpTyger thinks I'm scum again. LAWL. This part of the post is seriously...just...what?
I'll agree. I don't like my partner very much. His playstyle is disturbing.Reck wrote:So, in the event of a dramonic lynch, EmpTyger has now PERFECTLY set himself up to flip back on me and push for a mislynch on me regardless of what dram flips. Pay attention, folks.
Basically, the rest of the wall is agreeable, to a certain extent. My read on Dramonic is null at the moment. I could see a town/scum push from Reck too, so he's more leaning town, than null.
#1869 is agreeable. Again, I don't like Emp's play. To be honest, when he complained about me using the QT, I checked for a rant by him or something.
Nope. I was the last person to post.
With all the mislynches we have, I don't think we'd lose either IMO.ICE wrote:Sens should have set it up so if we didn't lynch for two weeks random.org killed a couple.
Ugh EmpTyger. You disgust me. I'm the official HIRAKI/HIRAKI spokesperson. Don't ask EmpTyger any questions anymore, please and thank you.PZ wrote:EmpTyger means he's not L-1 anymore.
Good place to look if Esp flips scum.
Interesting. 5 points for PZ.Papa Zito wrote:
Oh this makes me twitch.LlamaFluff wrote:Told you guys PO was town
But I do want Xalxe burned to the ground.
bluh
Sounds like me. Maybe you should take life from a new perspective?Papa Zito wrote:How can a slot
which has aggressively done fuckall this game
yet merrily posted everywhere else
deserve to live?
Riddle me this, Batman.
I can relate. But now I'm pumped, so I won't re-replace.Kise wrote: Bored
Xalxe
was
bored...not scummy.
For reference! In due time children.RECK wrote:PREVIEW EDIT: But GreyICE seems town to me. He would have NO REASON, as scum, to defend me & dram so hard unless one of us was his buddyteam, because otherwise he could have two easy mislynches to jump on.
I dunno about you guys, but I don't like the wording of this post much.Kise wrote:I slung shots, but I don't remember voting. I wanted Ash lynched in the end, but of course no one saw that. I think I at least have LF agreeing about AH so I'll roll with this to at least lower the werewolves' numbers.
I like ICE in Kise v/s ICE. Maybe it's just because he's using caps though.
I've never seen you do this before, but he missed one question.Nero Cain wrote:
I don't like my questions ignored no matter how trivial and stupid they are.Nero Cain wrote:Got my prod.
Maybe its b/c its like 5 in the morning but WHAT?!?GreyICE wrote: DRAM IS TOWN NOW BECAUSE YOU NEED RECK TO LYNCH ME
vote: GI
That's not enough to constitute a vote after you've been gone for however long it was.
What? This actually doesn't make any sense.Tragedy wrote:
Lurking Lazy (Scum?) detected.Llamarble wrote:VOTE: Kise
I like #1923, a lot. I think that's why I voted Kise.
QFT. I hope Kise dies or something. It'd be nice. Even though I'm pretty sure he flips town after this.Ashblade wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES, THEY GIVE NO WOLF POINTS AT ALL SINCE THEY WERE MAFIA.
Actually #1926 from Ashblade is beautiful really.
But #1946 from Kise is really good. Like I don't want to do hardwork, but I might have to, just to see who's right here. I'll move on and see in the end if I have to.
#1949 from Llamarble is a horrible defense compared to Kise's case.
I think #1960 from GreyICE is where I started to see scummy GreyICE, especially from...
Yeah. I don't link that. You could reason that's what I'm like--GreyICE wrote:Kise played exactly optimally for scum this game. Don't scumhunt in the early game, because you need town mislynches to whittle down the pool. Become proactive and pro-town late game.
FUCK.
ICE. I NEED AN EXPLANATION QUICK. WHY AM I TOWN?
DAMN. GREYSCUM LOOKS GOOD HERE.
SHIT MAN. I JUST GOT THAT PUMP OF ADRENALINE. SEE THESE NEXT 700 POSTS ARE GOING TO BE A FUCKING BLAST, RATHER THAN A CHORE. LET'S GO MOTHERFUCKERS.Fate wrote:HE CANT BUDDY YOU AND CALL YOUR READ ON DRAM FAULTY. HE CAN NOT AFFORD TO PISS EITHER OF YOU LOVERS OFF (REAL LOVERS NOT GAME LOVERS)
ERGO HIS CHOICE TO BUDDY COMES WITH A DRAMBUDDY ATTACHED TO IT.
ICE doesn't do this as town. He remains cool and collected. I remember him saying "cool and collected" bonus points for someone finding it.GreyICE wrote:Oh I want to fucking self vote here just to see the look on your face when I flip town. You have been so fucking stupid recently. Kise is scum, you nitwit. Me flipping town isn't going to fucking change that.
Go read the bloody thread.
And we're not lynching reck or you despite the fact you are a FUCKING MORON
After that Fate goes on a rampage against ICE. I really like both players, and ICE is basically Sasu---broken down.
And Kise isn't cleared for precaution?Fate wrote:I can read Reck like NOBODYS BUSINESS.
Seriously.
Plus you scum=Confirmed town Reck.
Me knowing Dram is town+Dram's read=Confirmed town Reck.
TWO PAIRS OF CONFIRMED TOWN=GGTOWNWIN
BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A LOT FUCKING MORE.Tragedy wrote:Vote: Llamarble
He's lurking in the shadows.
HEY TRAGEDY. IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S ACTIVELY LURKING, IT'S THIS GUY.Antihero wrote:What makes you think we're flipping anytime soon?
RIGHT THERE.
WHat's the point of this again?LlamaFluff wrote:QT if you want to discuss this more, but when ash/llama is in my top two (close to three) groups for scum which means, IM VOTING THERE. Is Ice/anti a horrible lynch? No. Is it the best lynch? Also no.
Was kind of mean. I mean, in Mexico, they have real women. Now Spai---GreyICE wrote:Can we just get a modkill so we can lynch Ash/marble next?
While yes, I did reason before that ICE was going hard because he was town, I do not believe this anymore. It looks like he's going hard to prove a point that really isn't that good.
I'm sorry ICE, but it looks like I need to kill you now.
This is a tear-shedding moment.
No, just give me a moment, please. I'll need it.
That's horrible reasoning, and you know it. Kise isn't scumwailing, and you can read that, no?Llama wrote:In cookie thief mafia I forced a pretty obvious mislynch down town's throats by scumwalling. Just like Kise is trying to do now. Kise is one of my strongest scumreads in awhile. I guess I'll have to properly sell the Kise wagon since Fate is either wrong or a Kisebuddy.
QFT.Kise wrote:marble pops in to defend his buddy, once again neglecting to read.
Fate posts a wall, I'm not reading it. Haha, that's douchey of me.
Agreed. GI, could you actually defend yourself now?Kise wrote:
Feel free to do more than ride GI's coattails.Antihero wrote:Kise there's a reason people don't give your walls the time of day. Maybe because the time would be better spent... I don't know.... watching a banana slowly turn black?
Which is annoying because this obv. ICEscum. ICE doesn't buddy with other people's reads like this. I know you ICE, and therefore I know that you're scum now.xRECKONERx wrote:
BACKING OUT ON THE 'RECK IS CONFTOWN GOGOGO' LINE OF REASONING?GreyICE wrote:
I trust your reads, Reck...xRECKONERx wrote:God dammit, vezok's town.
IT IS BECAUSE
WE ARE
KAGE BUSHIN.
Oh god. There's an Emp/Reck fight. I'm getting tired again. Losing momentum....dying. Yuck.
See? Even my own partner misrepped me. FFS.Emp wrote:Hiraki is pushing Kise. I haven’t figured out whose lynch I want today, but it’s definitely not dramonic: I want Reckoner dead more than dramonic.
Wow. Emp looks really bad in these fights. I mean, I don't mean to incriminate him or anything but fuck. Step up man. I don't want to be lynched for these reasons.
ICE decides to note pick sides in #2043. That's bad.
Wouldn't this make 3 scumpairs?ICE wrote:hello llamafluff? What changed?
Oh that's right, you're scum, so who cares which town couple you to after really?
Fate's #2054 makes sense, but Reck could be taking a risk. I know there's an extremely low chance of that, but there still is a chance.
Why are you changing so fast? This isn't like you!ICE wrote:Yeah, 'cept Kise isn't town, while Reck and Dram are. So your 'gut' and 'meta' are bullshit.
#2059 by Reck is nice.
So is #2068.
#2078 by Emp is pretty convincing though.
I don't see how people see Emptown, other than from 2078. It's cool though.
Alright I'm posting this up for now. This is where I fell asleep and more. I can't finish this now, but I will later. This was Page 85, but I really want to hammer.
Does anyone have any grievances they need to deal with first?-
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