Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

[xRECKONERx]

CLASSIC FUCKING SCUMPLAY

PREY ON THE WEAKEST TOWNIE, TRAGEDY.

DON'T EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO TRY AND MISLYNCH ZITO?

GREY IS AWKWARD BECAUSE HE CAN'T FUCKIN PUSH CASES ANYMORE.

HE'S RUN OUT OF STEAM. THERE'S NO MORE SCUMMY TOWNIES LEFT TO PUSH AND MISLNCH JUST ZITO OVER LOLACTIVITY AND LOLQT TELLS

Why is Tragedy town?
Give me one good reason.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote Count:

Tragedy (3): xRECKONERx, mastin2, GreyICE
GreyICE (2): Fate, Dramonic
Llamarble (1): Tragedy

Not Voting: Llamarble, DemonHybrid, Ashblade, Papa Zito

6 to lynch.

DAT VOTE COUNT
So let's break it down into loverpairs

TragZito (2): Reckmastin, Greyhybrid
Greyhybrid (1): Fatemonic

Not voting: Llamashblade

3 to lynch.

Demonhybrid will vote with his lover if it means securing himself.
Therefore, the only reason Llamashblade aren't on this wagon is because IT'S ON THEIR SCUMBUDDIES.
I swear to god, Fate, Dramonic, if you let us lose the game like this after four months I will never forgive you

[xRECKONERx]

lol

[xRECKONERx]

brain imploding
someone
is
bussing

i need to drink less
brb while i drink more

[xRECKONERx]

THAT IS A PARADOXICAL STATEMENT

[xRECKONERx]

All PZ said about recent posts is "I love the Reck hate" and "I'm gonna go to the QT to talk to Trag about this"

[xRECKONERx]

Grey
When we win this game
I will sex-ban dram until he nominates us for best townie scummies

[xRECKONERx]

ATTN DRAM
UNVOTE NOW OR I WILL SEXBAN YOU

[xRECKONERx]

Parama has better reads then this.

I lol'd

[xRECKONERx]

ASHBLADE REPLACED OUT?
FUCKING SERIOUS?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm okay with Ash popping in occasionally to sheep me rather than replacing,
or simply doublevoting until a replacement can be found if that makes life less painful.
I find Reck/Fate scumteam plausible and scary. I'll give this game real time tomorrow.

lol

[xRECKONERx]

I should translate the above post then:

I find Reck-scum plausible now that he's attacking me.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh, look, Llamarble is backing off his scumbuddies in LyLo.

[xRECKONERx]

It is lylo, and some people have already thrown votes down, so we may as well wait and see if scum quickhammer either Ice or Tragedy.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

"Guys we should wait and see if a townie gets put in Quickhammer range so that scum can quickhammer and win the game"

AKA

"Guys we should wait and see if any more votes get piled onto GreyICE so I can hammer"

[xRECKONERx]

Both Grey and Tragedy are. Scum would just have to get in their 4 person QT and put down 4 votes in 15 seconds or so.

Yeah and the fact that NOBODY IS DOING THAT is why there's already a wagon on scum - Tragedy - and the reason you aren't quickhammering GreyICE is because you don't have that second vote right now.

lol caught scum is caught

[xRECKONERx]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[xRECKONERx]

So basically, Llamarble wants to stall in LyLo until he has a replacement for himself.
lol
no

Also, a four-person quickhammer requires ALL FOUR SCUM being online together which is hard to pull off.
Someone needs to unvote GreyICE in the next day or so before Llamarble's plan comes together.

[xRECKONERx]

Grey, please talk sense into your partner. That's some of the worst lylo logic ever.

"Reck has been making good posts... but his partners have been bad" (Reck is town, but his lurky partner's who have pretty much just parroted him are somehow worse)
"I can only think of two scumteams" (even though plenty of others have been presented)
"I'm not going to explain why these are the only two I can think of"
"I'm not comfortable with Reck's 100% town reads" (even though I just said in the same post that I like Reck's posting)

[xRECKONERx]

Hmmmmm.

This smells funny.

Going to the QT to consult with Mastin.
Oh wait, no I'm not, because Mastin is afk just like all my other fucking partners.
I'll wait a bit before revealing my thoughts.

[xRECKONERx]

First off, when the HELL did ReckMastin fight with GreyDemon? WE DIDN'T. I'VE BEEN FUCKING CALLING GREY TOWN THE WHOLE GAME.

Also, while bussing isn't the first tactic people would take, it's pretty damn obvious that lightly bussing in lylo in case a wagon gets started would be the way to go.

Kinda like what Papa/Trag are doing to Llama/Ash.

I want a fucking case. If you're going to mislynch me in lylo and lose this fucking game, DH, I want a goddamn case instead of fluff.

[xRECKONERx]

Zito goes "Oh lol btw I think it's Reck but Llama is probs his partner"

And starts a new wagon on me
Instead of voting for Llama/Ash

CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS SHIT DH

[xRECKONERx]

I'm really fucking pissed at this game, too, because fuck my partners. My quicktopic has under 20 posts in it, 12 of them are from me, 3 are from Nero, and 5 are from Mastin going "lol catching up" and "wanna fill me in?" and shit like that.

Oh shit, wait.
Zito didn't even fucking mention Llama/Ash.
That was DemonHybrid.

DH
ZITO IS CALLING YOU AND GREY MY SCUMBUDDIES
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

Forget Reck for a while. Look at his partners. Nero and Mastin have been AWFUL and letting Reck do the carrying. It's not right.

Present a case on my partner. Seriously. Just fucking try.
By the way, letting me do the carrying? Uh, dram pretty much had the same thing until Fate replaced in. In fact, a shit ton of people in this game have had lurkymclurkylovers and had to carry it. Like GreyICE, too.

Oh, and regarding the Emp flip: I fucking presented a case on why he was town... not just theories, cold hard contradictions and scummy behavior. Zito's vote on me is "oh hey this vote count could mean this certain thing yup sure does" just like he tried VC analysis yesterday to provide "reasoning" for attacking GreyICE.

I was wrong on Emp, yes, but if you REALLY think that as scum I would push THAT HARD for a mislynch when it's not even fucking lylo you're insane.

Also, why, Zito, are you voting for me when I didn't even have a wagon going and GreyICE, who you believe to be my scumbuddy, was much closer to a lynch? This fucking reeks of scum.

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, acceeeeeeeeept that I'm riiiiiiiiiiight

No.
If you were right, GreyICE wouldn't be fucking screaming at his lover like that.

[xRECKONERx]

DH

RECKONER IS OBVTOWN ON PAGE ONE.

PLEASE START HERE:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2765552

THEN TELL ME WHY IN A MONTH OF SUNDAYS A SCUMBAG WRITES THAT POST

I don't get what you're saying here. A player of ANY alignment could write that post in that very situation. What makes it a townish thing to post?

uhhh there's also the whole thing where I DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW THERE WERE NO NIGHTKILLS IN THIS GAME

[xRECKONERx]

I corrected myself later.

Reading comprehension plz.

[xRECKONERx]

@DH: I never once tried to convince you of Dram/Fate. In fact, the ENTIRE three months this fucking game has been going, I've maintained my town read on those slots.

The fact of the matter is that

someone is bussing somewhere

. Trag sees that Llamarble hasn't done shit all game, though neither has Trag, and needs a way to get some credit. Meanwhile, Zito just so happens to be like "aw naw it's Reck + GreyHybrid or DramFate", so he can line up THOSE mislynches while Tragedy just tunnels until it's time for a wagon hop.

Dram, you're wrong. That fucking argument between the two of them was townier than town.

[xRECKONERx]

I can just fucking PICTURE the QT in my mind. Something along the lines of:

Llamarble: "Tragedy, just bus me. Ashblade isn't doing anything anyway."
Zito: "I'm gonna keep pushing on Reck. If you see the chance, vote for him. Wait until he's within hammer range."

[xRECKONERx]

Thank. God.

[xRECKONERx]

OH LOOK
ZITO IS TRAGEDY'S LOVER
TOTALLY EASY TO COACH SOMEONE IN A QT

Also, Zito has consistently tried to not take responsibility for her actions.

[xRECKONERx]

Stuff like "Eh, ignore Trag, not sure what she's doing"

[xRECKONERx]

P.P.S.

Tragedy, what the fuck.

Tragedy is a pure snowflake on the December winds. I don't know where she's going either but it's beautiful to watch.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't think Tragedy has taken me seriously since I complained about the lack of pillowfights in the QT.

These are my reads, btw. Given Esp I'm not really willing to sheep Tragedy anymore.

FTR I'm ... not really sure what Tragedy is doing either.

QT remains a Hall of Mystery.

here you go

PREVIEW EDIT: FUCK YES DEMONHYBRID YOU CAN HAVE MY LOVE AGAIN
Now we just need to convince Fate & Dram to stop tunneling on you guys so we can get a scumlynch today and end this tomorrow

[xRECKONERx]

dram
you think it's GI/DH + Zito/Trag eh

THEN FUCKING GET ON THE TRAGEDY WAGON

[xRECKONERx]

<3

Dram, just do it.
Tell me where you could be wrong about the pairings.

[xRECKONERx]

You're insane if you think that PAGE FUCKING ONE & TWO was a giant gambit by me and GreyICE.

[xRECKONERx]

EDIT: So why are you not voting GI again? Who do you expect to help accomplish a reck hammer?

His buddies, Llama & Ashblade.

[xRECKONERx]

Whee now I cannot possibly be scum with anyone other than tragedy.

OH LOOK
MY FUCKING THEORY
HERP MCDERP

[xRECKONERx]

Haha, that's right I'm confirmed town to Tragedy now.
I'd like to see what she thinks.

If Tragedy was town she wouldn't need you to point this out to realize it.

[xRECKONERx]

God dammit dram
Go to your QT and tell Fate that he's wrong about me because I don't see him hammering.

[xRECKONERx]

I do. But Fate thinks I'm scum so I'm the last person he'll reason with.

[xRECKONERx]

Here comes the ragecaps

also this FUCKING CONFIRMS fate & dram as not scum now, unless they're scum with zito & tragedy

Would like to take a minute to say FUCK YOU ALL I TOLD YOU SO A LONG ASS TIME AGO

[xRECKONERx]

And dram hopping ship like that to put their buddy at L-1 is LULZY

so yeah, Fate & Dram are townier than town town town town town

[xRECKONERx]

I'm here you tool.
Go ahead, yell at me, I don't care.

[xRECKONERx]

THANK YOU GOD

[xRECKONERx]

[xRECKONERx]

This is the perfect way to go out on my final game. Seriously. WHEEEEEEEEE I'M SO FUCKING HAPPY

[xRECKONERx]

Meh, good thing I'm retired then

[xRECKONERx]

I kinda felt bad when you changed your mind on me at the last possible second.

Also, the fact that NOBODY suspected Me/mastin + Fate/Dram today or yesterday is hilarious.

[xRECKONERx]

i'm literally lolling at that pic right now

And, thanks for the compliments guys

[xRECKONERx]

Couldn't have done it without you, GI!

[xRECKONERx]

If Reck is scum

Stick my head in a vat of acid.

VAT OF ACID, GREYICE.

A

FUCKING

VAT

OF

ACID.

I lol'd

[xRECKONERx]

Couldn't have done it without you, GI!

No, you could have.

Who wanted to lynch you after day 1?

Zito
Llamarble
...Fate, my own partner...

[xRECKONERx]

That's why I needed you alive and had to counterwagon Fate's push on you so hard yesterday

[xRECKONERx]

seems counterproductive

[xRECKONERx]

To be fair, Fate wasn't actually online.

[xRECKONERx]

Man, I'm surprised nobody has suspected a Reck + GreyICE scumteam

During D5.
lol

[xRECKONERx]

IT'S OFFICIAL YO

[xRECKONERx]

I OMGUS and RAGE as town too.

[xRECKONERx]

Hurm.
Well, I'll keep that in mind, then.

Oh wait, no I won't, because I'm retired except for Team Mafia, since I already committed to that.

d(^_^)b

[xRECKONERx]

So your point is I spam a lot?

[xRECKONERx]

But you did such a great job discrediting me that, ironically, I think that it was for the best I died before lynch-or-lose. In any case, I was in no shape to fight you D7, and kind of got what I deserved. Considering I couldn't ever even convince Hiraki when he knew my alignment...

And, how many times did you lie, misrepresent, spout utter nonsense, outright hinder the town... and then talk yourself out of it to the point where so many people declared you town?

I knew there was no way I'd survive lylo if you and Zito were both alive, but I never thought I'd be able to push a lynch through on BOTH of you.

Also of note is that I helped to lynch plenty of people who thought I was town.

[xRECKONERx]

No complaints. Well deserved victory. I was fixated on my own townread of dram to change my mind about his pair. The only times I had a feeling were werewolf55's nag about it taking months when, for the town, it would only take 2 lynches to defeat scum, and Reck making it a point at the beginning of the game to show he was "clueless" about no night phases. But by day 3, I was gunning for others. I told LF it may be reck & grey, but never had dramscum on the mind. HE did however. :-{........ sup PO, Espy?

Actually, I didn't "pretend" to be clueless about the night phases. I just hadn't read my role PM thoroughly enough yet. And that whole AIM convo thing? I never lied - that seriously never happened.

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I disagree.

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Oh, don't get me wrong, Reck played a very good game here. I think defending Dramonic all the way like that was a bit on the reckless side, but it's hard to complain when it worked. On the whole, his play reminded me quite a bit of Antrax, which is some pretty high praise.

I appreciate that. Thank you.

The issue is two-fold. First, Antrax never needed capslock to express anger, while being very effective at getting it across. Word choice is sufficient. So if capslock is unnecessary to express the ideas and emotions you want, and makes it harder for others to read, why use it?

This is my style. It always has been, pretty much in every game I've played in the past year. I like for the games to be fun, punchy, and fast-paced, and caps locking gives it that style sometimes. I agree, it becomes a bit too much when it's wall post after wall posts of caps lock, but for quick bursts of WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK ARE YOU DOING, GODDAMMIT I think it's fine to use. I have no problem reading caps lock, as my eyes and brain don't suddenly shut off when someone holds the shift key, so I'm not sure why it becomes "harder" for other people to read.

Second, it's one of those tactics that works (and I'm not trying to claim it's illegitimate to use here -- success in winning speaks for itself), but has the side-effect of getting other players to participate less.

I disagree. I've played in plenty of games where people participated. Perhaps it gets CERTAIN players to participate less, but on the whole, I haven't seen this much aversion to the capslock stuff in a long time.

I happen to think that games are more fun when everyone feels they can participate, which includes having a reasonable number of posts to read through each day, none of which are too difficult to get through.

In the same respect, I fucking hate wall posts, but if I'm in a game where there IS wall posting, I suck it up and wade through it, because I would expect the same in response to my posts. Also, the whole "reasonable number of posts" thing is a double-sided issue: time-length of games versus number of posts for games. Personally, I'd prefer quickfire, heavy hitting bursts of posting rather than people doing long and laborious wallposts once ever 48-72 hours and dragging the day on for three weeks to a month.

In addition, when everyone is participating and up-to-date, that favours the town. So over the past while we've been seeing players use tactics (whether intentionally or not) that favour scum play, including spamming, wallposting, and capslockraging, in that these make other players not want to read the thread, and make relevant information harder to get out of the thread in a timely manner when they do.

Then, I'm sorry, but they need to replace out or be lynched. And I'm not sure where the middle ground is, here: spamming + capslockraging is one side of the coin, and wallposting + lurking is the other.

These are legitimate tactics, but it then becomes incumbent on the town to start pushing back in-game, to make clear that they want a more pro-town meta, and they're willing to lynch to get it. That said, I'm not sure how many players are willing to use their votes in this way.

I guess this it where it comes down to tomayto-tomahto. I don't mind capslock posting, and am more likely to focus on the ones who are posting frequently and in such a manner... however, if a player is only posting once every couple of days and is basically doing "catchup" posts every few days, not only do I lose interest in the game, but I'm more likely to ignore that player when trying to find scum. Capslock raging can lose a game for scum, just as easily as it can win it.

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(Of course, it’s the mod’s responsibility to not muddy that line. If SensFan was saying one line by PM to Reckoner and acting on another in thread… well, no wonder there was a mess. No better if he was consistently saying the same thing privately and publically, but yet allowing Reckoner to do whatever he wanted regardless.)

Stuff like this:
6:21:14 PM senspizzaline: I don't mind the aggressive/yelling, or even the calling people idiots. I do all of that.
6:22:50 PM Will Hare: I'll agree to tone down the insults a bit too.
6:22:55 PM Will Hare: But the profanity is going to remain >.>
6:23:02 PM senspizzaline: That's more than fine