Mini 1161 - Neruzian Era Mafia (Over!)

[Sloth]

Hey guys.

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Yes to the nights thing too, for the record. Long nights = boring as all hell.

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I say start now.

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VOTE: Vi

Too famous to be town.

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Charter, what are your thoughts on RVS wagons?

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Quilford, same question to you. What are your thoughts on RVS wagons?

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What do you think of the two wagons we have going right now? Did you purposefully refrain from joining one?

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What do you think of the two wagons we have going right now? Did you purposefully refrain from joining one?

What wagons?

I suppose I should clarify; I don't like it when people jump onto wagons without saying anything else in their post.

There were two votes each on Vi and Empking.

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I think it's the wagoning at the first sign of a semblance of a reasonable vote, Vi.

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Never said I was. I've only been asking about RVS wagons.

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Pappums, care to explain, or are you just wagoning for the sake of wagoning?

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Hiplop, why criticize looker for an IIoA-ish post and then throw down an RV?

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Sloth, have your questions provided any useful information to you? (just looking for a "yes" or "no")

...Kind of. Gives me a better feel for the players in the game but I haven't gleaned any tells.

Never said I was. I've only been asking about RVS wagons.

Then it should be okay for you to give me YOUR opinion about the wagons right now, right?

I'd also like to know what you think of Empking's accusation.

I like RVS wagons, and think they're a good way of getting the whole stage over and done with.
I find Empking's accusations bizarre, cause I feel like at least attempting to be helpful is a whole lot better than doing nothing at all. If his feeling is just gut, I understand that, but calling me out for asking questions just seems odd.

@Juls: I see your point. No reason in holding on to my RV.

VOTE: Hiplop

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If his feeling is just gut, I understand that, but calling me out for asking questions just seems odd.

I'm calling you out for pointless (in context) questions.

I didn't see it that way. At least it got us talking.

@Vi: I picked out hiplop because of what he's done so far, which is only sheeping on a point already made by Empking (about the length/quality of Looker's post) and then throwing down a random vote. He just doesn't seem do be doing anything good ATM.

Neuky, are you only voting me for the "buddying" accusation? It was more of a clarification as to why I thought that vote felt weird, which Vi brought up.

Also, I don't understand why me saying long nights are boring as all hell is scummy. They are.

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@Sloth

You've made it your early mission to question people about wagons. I assume you've done this for a good scum-hunting reason. I can't see it, but that's fine, as long as it's important to you.

Then there's this dialogue you had with Quilford.

Quilford, same question to you. What are your thoughts on RVS wagons?

He says:

They're fine, but I don't like people jumping onto them without offering at least a semblance of a reason.

You reply:

What do you think of the two wagons we have going right now? Did you purposefully refrain from joining one?

He says:

What wagons? I suppose I should clarify; I don't like it when people jump onto wagons without saying anything else in their post.

You don't let him off the hook:

There were two votes each on Vi and Empking.

But that's where it ends. The bolded part never got a response from him, and you just seemed to drop it.

Because people started talking about something else. The questions about wagons were just to get people talking, really, like I've said before.

Also, Vi, he just read the scummiest to me at that point. Maybe it's just noobishness but his lack of any sort of opinion about the game is weak - however, I feel like his openness about his apathy is leaning towards a town tell.

UNVOTE: Hiplop
VOTE: Quilford

Get this wagon rollin'.

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I dislike wagoning for the sake of wagoning.

In general, or just in the RVS?

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Neuky, why isn't your vote on anyone right now?

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Vi, why pick Hiplop over the others? Same question.

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is quilford at l-1? i don't want to hammer but im sort of suspecting him now

This is scum making preparatory excuses for their hammer.

UNVOTE: Scott Brosius
VOTE: hiplop

This seems like scum trying to get a wagon off him, especially with having such a respected player's vote already on his side.

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is quilford at l-1? i don't want to hammer but im sort of suspecting him now

This is scum making preparatory excuses for their hammer.

UNVOTE: Scott Brosius
VOTE: hiplop

This seems like scum trying to get a wagon off him, especially with having such a respected player's vote already on his side.

I'm sorry, whether someone's respected or not

does not make an ounce of a difference

in this game.

UNVOTE: hiplop
VOTE: Sloth

Why is me saying this scummy, besides the obvious OMGUS reasons? Here's my logic:

1. Quilford gets wagon on him. Panics.
2. Vi votes for hiplop.
3. Quilford thinks "Oh, people will sheep Vi because they'll think he's right! Better start this wagon rolling to get this pressure off me!"

Perfectly sane.

[Sloth]

Quilford is town.

UNVOTE: Quilford
VOTE: Hiplop

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Quilford's recent postings to me make me pretty much 100% certain that he's town. Let's get off him now okay.

Charter's continual push on Quilford after the claim seems to me like he's scum trying to revive what he thought would be an easy lynch.

FoS charter

[Sloth]

As you've been saying, people haven't been giving good reasons that you're scum but voting you nonetheless. That's virtually no pressure, those votes won't hold up all the way through a lynch. When they all give compelling reasons for voting, that's when you're in hot water. I would be willing to bet that all but two or so of the people voting you would unvote at the first sign of scumhunting, but that never came.

Now that you've claimed vanilla, there's no reason to lynch someone besides you.

pedit, how many games have you played on MS, Quilford?

Gonna

Unvote

Since I in no way want the day to end right now.

The bolded statement is the reason for this: VOTE: Charter

Especially with the way you're now slightly backing down once people started calling him town.

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I'd rather we not lynch someone that I am pretty damn sure will flip town.

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Vi, since charter is just about as good, howsabout you hop on the wagon?

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Hiplop's just an active lurker, something which has a chance of coming from lazy town. But charter is doing actively scummy things, instead of hiplop's passively scummy behavior.

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Charter, if you're not sold on Quilford being scum, why do you still believed he should be lynched today?

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Faraday, why is charter town, please.

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charter's play looks very town, tbh. the wanting to lynch a vanilla thing isn't scummy, it's something i'd expect out of him regardless of alignment. I actually

like

his position w/r/t the quilford wagon before the claim very much.

Meh, disagree. I think he's pushing for an easy town lynch D1.

Anyways hiplop is back to being scummy. In your eyes, hip, what is the reason you're voting Quilford?

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Do you think that his reaction to the wagon reaching L-1 and the subsequent claim felt forced?

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scum

Quilford
Empking

also can you guys explain the suspicions on Empking?

Why put empking in your scumlist when you don't even know why people suspect him?

VOTE: Hiplop

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Faraday, you calling all my scumreads town is starting to get a little annoying

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Is it a purely meta thing?

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Sorta..but not? I think his actions make as much sense coming from town as scum, and the early thing makes me think town. I guess it's meta to some degree alright.

Well with me being not familiar with people's meta I'm purely judging charter on this game's actions, and I disagree with you on the first statement you made.

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His statement really has nothing to do with meta.

Never said it did.

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Pappums, what's your read on Faraday?

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I still have this gut thing about charter that isn't going away but it looks like his lynch is going to have to wait - not enough time to start something.

Honestly, though, I don't feel great about any of the current lynch candidates - hiplop could swing both ways due to his noobishness and Quilford is definitely town. I'm also not sold on Scott, so that leaves Empking as the scummiest of the four. Plus the wagon has pretty much all townreads of mine on it.

VOTE: Empking

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hmm as inevitable as this lynch may have appeared to be I was still willing to go scotty or hiplop

anyways, best we can do now is hope Empking flips scum (he was my 3rd highest scum read if you were wondering) until tommorow :/
hopefully I can get a post in later before the lock :0

If empking flips town this post becomes very scum-looking-for-town-cred-ish.

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VOTE: Charter

I don't see how his play yesterday is town at all, considering what happened with Quilford and the sudden unexplained switch to Empking. Faraday you're gonna have to do an awful lot of convincing.

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Vote: TwistedSpoon.

What Faraday said.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I have a major problem with this.

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Isn't it pretty obvious, friend?

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Faraday you're gonna have to do an awful lot of convincing.

Convincing of what?

Convincing me that Charter is town.

DarthYoshi's sheep vote is much much worse than Vi's or Faraday's because I honestly don't think he knows why he's voting for Twisted or why Twisted is confirmed scum.

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you got a guilty on hiplop did you?

then I am pleased my suspicions were correct

VOTE: hiplop

No, Faraday, this is a scummy, scummy reaction.

But voting him this early wouldn't be a good move either. Better to build pressure on both Spoon and Charter.

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Faraday claimed cop?

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Anyways, the "confirmed scum" should have been in quotes.

I don't think the votes on him are bad - stop putting words in my mouth. I think DY's vote was bad.

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Charter, I think your actions after the Quilford claim and the subsequent Empking wagon-flip were both scummy.

I think TS's hiplop vote and his comment in twilight were the scummiest.

And Vi, did you miss 479?

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It wasn't an overreaction, it was a correction of what Vi was saying.

And, that's not what I'm saying, DY. It's more of a gut thing and kind of hard to put into words, but your vote just felt less genuine. Maybe it was the "baaaaa."

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DarthYoshi's sheep vote is much much worse than Vi's or Faraday's

Where in there does it say that you and Faraday's votes are bad?

And about spoony I didn't think much else needed to be said. I wanted to focus on my target.

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Charter, read back to the points I brought up against you D1.

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I can see the merit of this, but I think it will be more beneficial in the long run to not put him at L-1 so quickly into the day.

This is about as unspecific as possible.

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Jesus, charter, just saying that my points aren't specific doesn't make them not-specific when I specifically talked about the specific things that were specifically scummy about you specifically.

Quilford's recent postings to me make me pretty much 100% certain that he's town. Let's get off him now okay.

Charter's continual push on Quilford after the claim seems to me like he's scum trying to revive what he thought would be an easy lynch.

FoS charter

As you've been saying, people haven't been giving good reasons that you're scum but voting you nonetheless. That's virtually no pressure, those votes won't hold up all the way through a lynch. When they all give compelling reasons for voting, that's when you're in hot water. I would be willing to bet that all but two or so of the people voting you would unvote at the first sign of scumhunting, but that never came.

Now that you've claimed vanilla, there's no reason to lynch someone besides you.

pedit, how many games have you played on MS, Quilford?

Gonna

Unvote

Since I in no way want the day to end right now.

The bolded statement is the reason for this: VOTE: Charter

Especially with the way you're now slightly backing down once people started calling him town.

charter's play looks very town, tbh. the wanting to lynch a vanilla thing isn't scummy, it's something i'd expect out of him regardless of alignment. I actually

like

his position w/r/t the quilford wagon before the claim very much.

Meh, disagree. I think he's pushing for an easy town lynch D1.

Anyways hiplop is back to being scummy. In your eyes, hip, what is the reason you're voting Quilford?

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2) So let me get this straight.
Faraday: "Twistedspoon claimed scum in Twilight"
Sloth: "Pretty much nothing more to say there, VOTE: someone else"
Do you think charter has a better chance of being scum than Twistedspoon, even though you agree that Teaspoon is

confirmed

claimed scum?

Again, would you please stop putting words into my mouth. This type of misquoting is getting scummy. I never agreed that TS was confirmed or claimed scum. Claimed scum is obviously an exaggeration - I thought what he did in twilight was scummy, yes, but that doesn't make him 100% scum in my eyes.

And yes, I think charter definitely has a better chance of being scum than twisted.

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@Hiplop: Re-read TS's initial post after Emp was hammered by Pappums. Everything about it screams that he knew Emp was going to flip town, and he was distancing himself from it.

^Sloth's above post (#526) pretty much confirms him as scum if TS also flips scum. Sloth's #443 actually is the first to point out said scumminess, but now, Sloth is relatively unconvinced that TS is scum after all. Additionally, while yes, Sloth's suspicion of Charter in D1 is well-documented, his voting pattern went: Charter-Hiplop-Emp. What happened to Hiplop suspicions? Can't keep your story straight, Sloth?

Let's lynch TS. If he flips scum, I demand a Sloth lynch tomorrow. (If this hypothesis is correct, Charter becomes probtown, but whatever.)

Huh? When did I say I was relatively unconvinced? When did I ever say that I think TS is town? I think he's scum, just like the rest of you. I just didn't think it was worth it to push a wagon that hard on the first page of D2 when I still think charter is scum, scummier than Twisted.

Charter, my reasons for lynching you aren't crap just cause you say they are. That's not how this game works. Just because a 'nilla claims doesn't mean you go into auto-lynch mode. Quilford's actions after the claim pretty much cleared him as town, in my eyes. If you believe that that is good town strategy, why aren't you still pushing for a Quilford lynch?

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It's a little unfair. I think TS is likely scum, but not 100%.

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I have nothing to say about the twisted wagon except I know it looks pretty shitty for me right now. Guess I was wrong about charter too.

One or both of Faraday/Vi is scum. DY is prob-scum.

I'm fine with a massclaim.

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DY + Vi, why are you not voting me?

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I'm vanilla too.

Hiplop, claim.

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I would feel good about lynching DarthYoshi. Anybody else?

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I'll take that as a yes.

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VOTE: DarthYoshi

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Catching up.

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As far I can tell the case against me is basically me fucking up my scumreads. I thought someone was basically 100% scum. I wanted to lynch him. He flipped tracker. That's all there is to it, honestly. I didn't want to talk about twisted because I was so set on charter being scum. Ran into a similar problem in my other game (it's over now, no worries).

But if you want to lynch me, so be it.

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Great.