Mini 1160 - Cupcake Mafia! Cupcakes Baked to Perfection!

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/confirm

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/confirming that I love cupcakes.

In bed.

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I suppose this hydra should sign posts.

~LLD

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Kyuubei.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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I love cupcakes!

We are claiming a miller role. We are a 100% Whole Wheat Vegan Cupcake.

When investigated, we are found to be a muffin.

Thus, it can be said that

Mafia are muffins.

~LLD

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Oh, and

Vote: Katsuki

For giving us a miller role.

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Ah, you silly humans and your emotions. But, I suppose it helps stave off the heat death of the universe.

Anyway, I'll be direct here. chesskid can go die in a fire for all I care. That said, I don't think a policy lynch is the best route. Since you all have decided to let your emotions guide you, I've provided a concise, logical, sensical table of pros and cons for policy lynching chesskid.

Pros:
Chesskid dies
Chesskid dies
We still get to play with Parama
The game won't devolve into everyone yelling at chesskid for being dumb, thusly distracting from scumhunting

Cons:
We lose perfect D1 analysis later in the game
We potentially lose a mislynch (I'm aware he could be scum, but taking simple probability, that's about a 25% chance, and if one were logical about it, they wouldn't bet on that)
We give the scum a more or less free kill
We effectively start D2 as if it were D1, except with at least two less people alive, in a game balanced for 13 players.

For now, the logical choice would be to play normally and ignore chesskid. I don't mean just not lynching him. I mean literally pretending he doesn't exist. If none of us reply to him, what possible impact could he have on things? This game is a 12 player game now.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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You're right, I did forget that Parama has claimed a power. Please, consider that added to my list.

I have not seen any of these fish pictures, so I cannot base my projections off them. Finally, Parama has stated that he will replace out if chesskid is not lynched. If I had to choose between them, chesskid is the logical choice for being removed from this game.

That said, Parama's power being "something good" does not verify it as townie or necessarily being across the board good. I'm not sure it's a solid pro, merely something to consider when making the choice to lynch chesskid or not.

Oh, by the way, my calculations indicate you aren't voting chesskid, Fate. Is there a particular reason for this?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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EBWOP: Hmm. Conferring with LLD, it appears we have decided to vote chesskid after all, based on Parama's claim. As a notification, this will be L-2.

I'll let her do the actual voting.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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My other head and I both missed that Parama post. I don't know what ability Parama could have that will provide good things for town if Chess is lynched...

But I'm willing to bite and see what happens. The worst that can happen is that Chess dies and we find out Parama lied.

In which case we question Parama.

Good times.

Vote: Chesskid3

~LLD

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Simple probability dictates that there is at least one scum on your wagon, chesskid. If you'd like to be helpful and logical, you can tell us who it is.

But I wouldn't expect that from a simple human

- ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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Well you're 3 humans, maybe you can tell me?

LLDperson1,LLDperson2,Whoever the other head is.

And obv Volkan/tclaw

There are only two heads on this Whole Wheat Cupcake.

~LLD

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If you're PLing me, you're PLing me without a claim, fuck off.

also there's the BLUE LLD
and the RED LLD

What are you rambling about now?

There is only one LLD. >.<b

~LLD

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You clearly still don't understand what the colors mean.

I'll explain again.

Red Truth (posted in Red) is a color I cannot lie in. It MUST be the truth.

Blue Truth (posted in Blue) is a color for theories. It's mostly for implying and accusing, based on Red truths.

Get it? Got it? Good.

~LLD

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Chesskid is giving off the Beefster MPM tell.

Kise hammer'd. Fastest day Evar.

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Voting Gambit, most likely.

~LLD

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Quieter than a cricket's asshole in here. Let's try a new gambit.

Vote: GreyICE

Who wants to lynch him before he posts for fun, huh!?

Why don't you put both your votes on it?

Make it go faster

~LLD

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Hmm. How interesting you humans get with such vagaries.

Oh well, I suppose there are some things I find interesting. I'd like to first note the (lack of) content from smargaret and Steph. I'm aware it's page four, but I'm also aware almost every other player has posted more substantially than those two. Steph in particular bothers me because after a couple pages of fairly eventful events, his only question is about some random thing someone said. There's no analysis, no thoughts, no...anything.

That said, we're not voting either of those players right now. Instead, I direct you to look at Kise's ISO. But don't read it straight. Click the post where he claims double voter, and peruse that series of events. We have a couple problems here. One, he blatantly contradicts himself in the process of his "gambit". The first thing he does is say he's not policy lynching chesskid...then he follows his fake double vote by saying yeah, he policy lynched chesskid. At least, I presume that's the case, unless you decided to use a random acronym I'm unfamiliar with, when you said PL. Maybe Privately Love chesskid? Pulled a Lincoln on chesskid? Ah well, for the time being it seems a lot more like you were policy lynching him.

That, however, is the weakest point. While that's well founded in logic, it seems the Witch I've been teamed up with has a strong feeling about the series of events, particularly Kise's INSISTENCE on chesskid claiming. Now, supposing Kise was gambitting, which feels fairly clear now, why would you press so hard for a claim when you knew chesskid wouldn't die? That doesn't seem like a very townie thing to do at all. My Witch companion would also like to direct you to the wagon activity directly after the "gambit", as a direct result of it.

As such,

Unvote, Vote Kise

Ah, it seems you all are quite impatient. Though I suppose a human's lifespan isn't too long, particularly that of puella magi. GreyICE, you have caught my interest. We wonder, for someone who seems to be so emotional about this, why you aren't doing the things you propose?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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Shit.

My bad.

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GreyICE, I'm glad that you show an astounding ability to respond quickly to questions asked of you, but I'm mildly curious why there was nothing else in my post worth commenting on. Perhaps you need help comprehending it?

Oh, so Kise responds. Ooh, how tough, too. Careful not to let your emotions get the best of you. There was one girl who found out everything about the Puella Magi system who ended up getting herself stuck in an infinite loop of despair for herself and her friends. It's clear where the path of emotion leads. Now, to address your points, where has Katsuki said chesskid is town? I don't believe I've seen that anywhere. Perhaps the red you are seeing is causing you to hallucinate? Secondly, you conveniently side step anything to do with why you pressed chess for a claim when you knew you weren't lynching him. That's very interesting, to me. Thirdly, you're asking us to rely on something you've done in the past, and your emotional response to it? I don't believe this game has anything to do with other games, really. Fourthly, why didn't you ask him to claim at L-3? After all, two people could have come along and voted him, and then someone else could have hammered without asking for a claim. Or perhaps L-4 suits you more? I mean, clearly people were rushing in to vote chesskid. It was quite entertaining, really. I'm sure that without your intervention, we would never have been able to press chesskid on a claim.

The result of all this is that I can't say I'm very convinced, not with the way things occurred. I'm sure my Witch partner will have more to say on that.

smargaret, the consistency between claim and gambit is not there. And what of my other point, where Parama's information turns to a policy lynch?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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When people have Someone at L-1, and ask for a claim, it is usually because they jar the intent to kill then and are looking for a reason not to.

But your plan with your voting gambit was to clear Chess as town, based on his reaction to being hammered.

So if that is the case, why would he need to claim for your gambit? Why is claiming something you would want him to do if your intent was to prove him town? Especially since we don't want to be losing town Power Roles.

Can you explain this?

~LLD

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Ah, personal attacks. Usually what humans resort to when they realize they've been outlogicked. If I had a capacity for pity, I'd potentially pity you. I see nothing in your post, Kise, that addresses anything I've said. Or what the Witch has said. Why was the push for a claim necessary?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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Interesting. You didn't say that before at all. However, it seems once smargaret has helpfully provided that, you've changed your story. Perhaps the truth would serve you better?

And to humor you, "You must be a special brownie. Cazy." is not a logical attack. It's an imprecation attacking my being rather than my logic (which is of course infallible, at least compared to what you humans call logic). I merely illustrated the fallacies presented by your initial "reason" for pressing chesskid to claim.

I'm not entirely certain who that Katsuki comment is directed at. Could you please clarify?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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I've already told you, Parama. I am known as Kyuubei, or Incubator. I make contracts with pubescent human females to grant them their wishes, in exchange for them becoming magical girls and fighting witches. This process produces Grief Seeds which I take to my home planet to fight off entropy. Isn't that wonderful? Humanity does it's part to save the universe with the power of your emotions!

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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Ah, Kise, what I mean is you act as if chesskid is confirmed town, but Katsuki, the moderator of this game hasn't said anything to that effect. Are you expecting me to take your word for it? And as I said, the L-3 and L-4 thing were illustrations of how absurd your stated reasoning was.

To be clear, I'm not "hurt" by what you posted with the brownie thing, I was merely stating that as a response it didn't accomplish anything except make you seem desperate, attacking me instead of the logic.

Parama, I am going to have to decline to answer that. I don't see how it's relevant to the game at hand. I am merely known as Kyuubei, and my posting should be what's relevant to your reads.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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You clearly have missed it, Parama. I've given you three names who are liable to be scum. Perhaps you should hunt through my ISO? Or perhaps perceive who I'm currently voting? It might be fun, like your Easter Egg Hunts or something. Who knows, perhaps if you read my posts instead of asking pointless questions, you could figure out my identity.

And I'm interested, just what makes my posts difficult to read?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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@VV: Since when has it ever been a good idea to outguess the mod on their setup?

You've posted so little content it's mind blowing.

Examine your last post: You blindly call Chess town without giving reasons. That gambit was at BEST a failed one. There's very little way to clear anyone out of it. I'd like to know you reasons for Chess!town. YOUR reasons. Further, asking Kise to explain his GW read, when you don't have an opinion of your own is bad. You're asking others to do the work for you.

Then the rest of your post is disbelief at Fate's claim, and outguessing the mod.

Nothing you have done is particularly content filled, nor is it protown.

IGMEOY :igmeoy:

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ebwop:

~LLD

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Can we stop dicking about here and lynch the real scum, Kise?

~LLD

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Unvote, Vote tclawren

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

[UshiromiyaAnge]

Parama, could you perhaps do me a favor? Could you detail why smarg isn't town, and then detail why Kise is town?

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EBWOP: ~LLD

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Me and Kyuube dicussed the vote.

We are a HYDRA. Not 2 separate entities.

We're moving on from you for the moment.

Also, for someone who is complaining about us expressing scum reads, where are yours?

~LLD

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Fate vs. GreyICE.

Discuss.

The Witch did not attempt to impersonate me.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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We see no reason to accede to your unreasonable emotional demands. We have not forgotten you, Kise.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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EBWOP: As far as I understand, I'm speaking a standard if elevated form of English. I'm afraid I don't understand your vernacular enough to say things on a level that you would understand. As far as I can tell, that would restrict me to the set of words not exceeding two syllables.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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We see no reason to accede to your unreasonable emotional demands. We have not forgotten you, Kise.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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Me and Kyuube dicussed the vote.

We are a HYDRA. Not 2 separate entities.

~LLD

We see no reason to accede to your unreasonable emotional demands. We have not forgotten you, Kise.

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

~LLD

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Your OMGUS bores me, Kise. It seems your sole scum read is the person accusing you of being scum. What frail logic.

PS:
-----
"Wanna make a contract Lambda?" Kyuubei telepathically transmitted to this pink witch, knowing fully what he meant. "Well...I've...certainly always wanted to know love. Everyone gets me all wrong and thinks I'm a horrible person...but I'm the fairest witch of all." LambaDelta replied, as she stood up strikingly uncertainly from her comfortable chair at the game table.
"So...is it love you wish for, LambdaDelta?" Kyuubei eagerly replied, preparing to fulfill her wish in any way necessary
After a moments hesitation, LambdaDelta strongly and lustily called out "Yes, Kyuubei! Make me a magical girl by filling me with your love!"
----

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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Where have either of us ever stated this was a post restriction?

~LLD

P.S: We don't see the need to explain our vote to you at the moment. If you need an explanation at the moment, just assume it's a gut read if you have to.

P-Edit: Problem Kise?

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tclawren, what do you think of UA toying with Kise?

-／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

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/me sighs.

I suppose I might as well reveal myself. It's been fun playing the troll and I've generated a lot of useful information, but I'm willing to assume my normal mantle now, which should hopefully be less frustrating...if you're town. I would love to frustrate scum, myself. It makes them make more mistakes.

Kise and tclawren are 2 of our scum. I have no idea why you all are letting yourselves get distracted by GI vs. Fate.

Anyway, Parama, interesting thing. Your posts have been about three times as useless as Kyuubei's. Why are you raging when you could be, you know, actually scumhunting? Is it too hard to frame some innocent, so you're deciding to focus on irrelevant issues?

Well guess what, Parama. Your excuse is gone.

GIVE ME ALL YOUR READS NOW!

~UncertainKitten

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EBWOP: Oh, I forgot, are you going to make me pay by nightkilling me, Parama?

I'm

OH
SO
SCARED~

~UK

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Oh, you were sure it was me, GI~? Darn, and I thought I did a good job covering up, at least until I started trolling Kise.

I agree Parama needs lynchings, but Kise/tclaw need them more, GI. Come on, join the side of the cupcakes and happiness!

@GI Cut: wellllllll, actually, chesskid would still be an AMAZING lynch, but that's more not wanting to deal with idiots.

~UK

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Fate is misguided town. What he's doing is trying to draw people into his vortex of rage, and he caught a hapless townie. His rage vortex doesn't work if he admits that, so he's more or less stuck fighting you until one of you SHUTS THE FUCK UP. I can see at least three different traps that he was attempting. Basically, both of you are town, stop fucking fighting, and let's lynch scum.

Reads subject to review as game goes on. But between LLD and I, I'm comfortable about Kise/tclawren/Parama, for now.

Also, I did notice that, didn't make the connection like I should have though. I must admit, if anyone were to guess who I was, it'd be probably have been you. Well, LLD, but she's in this hydra so :V!

~UK

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And Parama continues to claim scum. Keep it up guy~



Your "case" on smarg looks good on the surface, and to be honest, she's not exactly topping my list of town reads. I just think your conduct as of yet is worse than anything she's done. Seriously. What POSSIBLE town intent could you have in wasting several pages trying to force me to claim who I really was? What town benefit did that have? Because it SURE as fuck had a lot of scum benefit.

~UK

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Sorry Fate, you're wrong again.

Granted, you and GI are more town out of PoE than anything either of you have done. A vote for tclawren/Kise/Parama is a vote for victory, Fate.

Out of curiosity, is anyone scum besides GI?

Preview Edit: So we're scum now? Do tell, I'm looking forward to this.

~UK

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You asked me to claim on three separate occasions, Parama, as well as spending about a page pushing me with stupid wording. You know what you weren't doing? Scumhunting. Please, try the truth for once.

~UK

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That's a lot of scum, Fate. I think I'll stick with my reads. LLD and I combined are far more capable than you, I think.

~UK

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@Parama: Oh? Why is vollkan scum? Why is GW kind of scum? What makes CupcakePanda and tclawren null?

I'm not going to question your townish to town reads right now.

@GI cut: Perhaps, but think of it this way. Do you HONESTLY think Fate is getting lynched today? With people like smarg, Steph, tclawren, Kise, chess, and Parama around? Don't be naive. If you want to get a lynch that will go through, work with me here. I still don't see Fate as scum, but you and I have an overlap on tclawren. VOTE HIM!

@Fatecut: Oh? Let's see, what happened the last time I questioned your amazingness? OH RIGHT! I FLIPPED TOWN

AND

WAS KILLED BEFORE YOU, BY SCUM.

Look Fate, you're competent, BUT YOU ARE

And you. Are not. Getting a GI lynch today!

~UK

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You're right. We both were tunneling on each other. YOU SEE A PATTERN!? I was wrong too. But I didn't say I was better than you. I said LLD and I together were better than you. Most of the reads I'm expressing are from her, with me seeing where she's coming from. I'm merely enforcing it, because both you and I know LLD doesn't PUSH things. I do.

So, that's the game we're playing, and you WILL back the fuck off Fate, or you WILL lose.

As for your request, you know as well as I do what my response is.

Witches don't take requests!

~UK

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Hmm, though, I suppose I should ask. Since when is insulting your competence a scumtell? Don't I always do it? Because YOU AREN'T AS GOOD AS YOU THINK YOU ARE, AS PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN?

Secondly, since when is refusal to lynch GI a scum tell? Where has Katsuki said Grey is scum? You can't call associative bullshit tells without the first fucking flip.

Thirdly, since when is claiming miller a scumtell? Sure, maybe we shouldn't live to lylo, though you're a fucking idiot if you're going to lynch based off *that* and not actual scumminess. But last I checked, it's a null tell.

So, what's this case you have on us?

BULLLLLLLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

@GI cut: But Fate isn't scum. He's just being DUMB. And tunnely. His cases are crap and we know they're crap. He needs to be beaten down, and damned if I won't be the one to do it and pull his head out of his fucking ass.

We don't want to lose town Fate. We just want him to stop being so fucking MYOPIC.

~UK

[UshiromiyaAnge]

Anyway, it's 1 AM and I need sleep. I expect it to be clear who's points are more worthy when I wake up tomorrow morning.

@GI: Aren't you voting Parama at the moment? And is it really pro town to just assume Fate is scum and ignore everyone else?

~UK

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All right. Let's approach it this way. Fate, why don't you *calmly*, no caps, no yelling, no anything, tell me why GI is scum? Then tell me why I'm scum? I see a lot of associative tells in your wall of rage, but I don't see any individual tells. Secondly, fine, you're right, I've been a bit of a bitch about past games, and I should apologize. I'll stop trying to throw that in your face when I think you're wrong. It's not a good tactic. I shouldn't use the past to prove you wrong, I should use this game right here. I'll also note I'll try to avoid doing so in the future. Fair enough? Thirdly, do you suspect anyone else that's not GI or myself? If so, who, and why with the same caveats as above.

Kise is still getting a big lol no, and I'm going to note this is the third or fourth time he's "pressured" me without producing jack shit of his own. He's picked what he's going to coast on and he's doing a super job of it. Too bad he's not doing a super job of, you know, being town. Why don't you try to scumhunt on your own rather than try to get answers for your scumbuddy. If tclawren wants to know why he's vote worthy, he can ask us himself. Though he's already told us himself in quite a few ways~

~UK

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I was waiting to discuss this with my companion, but now we have so.

Hey, vollkan, how about you stop

...and start scumhunting?

And no, +10 on smarg does not count as an acceptable contribution. Are you seriously telling me absolutely nothing else of import has happened? Are you just pretending Kise and tclawren don't exist? Have you no thoughts on Parama? Even if you're waiting to see the GI/Fate/UA love triangle destroy itself, there's a FUCK TON more you could comment on, yet refuse to.

~UK

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Parama, why on earth would you lynch a member of the town over someone you know is scum?

Even if Chess is a bad player, he's not stupid enough to justify that kind of PL. At this point, when you have strong scum reads, you should be pushing them and voting them over anyone else.

Fate, nice to see you too. If you're so certain on town!Kise, perhaps you could tell me why you are convinced?

Other than that, can we keep the town big personality wars down, and focus on catching scum? Thanks!

~LLD

[UshiromiyaAnge]

So, not much interesting has happened outside of Fate reverting to GreyICE for ??? reasons. Smarg's post is uninteresting, though slightly townlike. tclawren is still scum that needs to die. How interesting he hasn't bothered to post since we started voting him. But, I suppose since Kise is defending him he doesn't want to dig his hole any deeper.

Tclawren is the lynch that's happening today.

~UK

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EBWOP: Oh, right, GW, vote tclawren or Parama, I don't care which, but you shall vote, thank you.

Cut by smar:


But I got what I wanted.

Cut by tclawren: Good of you to join us. My partner and I shall have to discuss your latest post and our desire to fulfill your request. Expect a response later, fair enough?

~UK

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1)

I don't think Fate's faking his PR - has nobody else in this game put rainbow sprinkles on cupcakes? Am I the only one who's having a funfetti wedding cake? Flavor wise, it makes too much sense to automatically assume it's fake. That said, I don't think the presence of a PR says anything about his alignment, and the argument with GI has only shut things down as far as Fate being able to scumhunt. I expect better.

I do think GI is reaching and trying to push a Fate lynch, hoping maybe for support from chesskid et al.

I like GW, gut townread on Parama. Kise is null. LLD/UK ... are interesting.

2)

The Kyubei gambit doesn't sit well with me, but I don't see what the advantage is of doing both that and claiming miller as scum.

LLD/UK are good enough players to be capable of playing well enough to not get investigated, so I don't see why they'd claim as town.

I'm leaning scum on them, but since it's because of the miller claim I don't think they're the scummiest players for today. Chess is being uncharacteristically silent/reasonable, Vollkan hasn't improved, but everyone else hasn't said enough for me to have an opinion on them.

Unvote
Vote: GreyIce

1) "FATE'S PR IS REAL BECAUSE RAINBOW SPRINKLES." Yeah. Flavor speculation is bad, especially since you are using it as a kind of proxy defense. You even state explicitly:

That said, I don't think the presence of a PR says anything about his alignment.

Which to me reads like: "Fate isn't lying about this because of flavor shit, OH BUT I'M NOT DEFENDING HIM. NO. DON'T THINK THAT PLEASE."

Further, your vote on GI and your comments about him make it clear that you support Fate in this Fate vs. GI debate. While it is POSSIBLE that they could be bussing... I'm gonna throw this out.

Fate and GI are not scum together.

Assuming this opinion, if you think GI is scum, you imply Fate as town.

Unless, of course, you want to assume they are BOTH scum Smarg?

You can't sit on the fence with Fate while your vote is parked on GI. Sorry.

You're lying.

2) Here's a question: Why does it make sense if we are competent enough players to avoid investigation... that we would claim miller as scum? That would only draw attention towards us of a different sort. If we were scum, and we felt like we could avoid being investigated, it would make more sense NOT to claim miller.

Essentially, your logic is at best WIFOM; at worst WRONG.

~LLD

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Hmm, you've interested me, Fate, with point six. Out of curiosity are you going to get around to mentioning that myriad of reasons? Or will you just vaguely point at it to see who bites?

~UK

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Are you calling me scum now UK? Implying I'm throwing out suspicion to see "who bites?"

I've already outlined the reasons, if you were reading my posts instead of buddying me you'd SEE those reasons.

And Kise sees the same things. "Lol why would I claim miller as scum if I'm a good player?" Because you DON"T want an investigation to ruin your "Master Scum Plans." Same reason a player like Vi would claim miller as scum.

It also explains why you aren't being NK'd, etc.

I

<3

KA

TS

U

S

KI

It's day 1. How are you even considering using the bolded as an argument?

and you think I'M reaching Fate? Pft.

[UshiromiyaAnge]

Your points on Smarg are reaching. You're trying to use her uncertain language as a point against her by twisting it into a "LOOK SHES FENCE SITTING." you even are cheeky enough to say "which reads to me as ____" implying youre ASSUMING thats what she meant instead of taking what she said at face value: That she doesn't think the PR is a tell either way, but that Grey is scummy as fuck for trying to use it against me.

I

<3

KA

TS

U

S

KI

Interesting how you chose to defend Smarg instead of letting her answer the claims herself.

Are you worried about something?

~LLD

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Then perhaps you should either link said posts where the points are outlined, or restate them. I'm sure no one would find it amiss. And I don't believe I've ever used the language that you are scum, now have I?

Secondly...well, I'll let the points on smarg be handled either by LLD or time. Though I find it very interesting you feel the need to answer for her. And before you ask, I don't see the word scum describing you anywhere in that last sentence...but you seem to be trying for said dubious honor.

Thirdly, if everyone else in this game keeps playing as badly as you are, then I could certainly see us being NK'd.

~UK

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However, you see, I have not yet made said determination that smarg is town. Her response would have guided me greatly to such a conclusion. You, however, chose to spoil that. For now, you are playing badly. But playing badly is very scum intended. I still want to believe you're town, but your postings on this page have made such an assertion progressively more difficult to believe.

So, are you planning on telling me why I'm scum?

~UK

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Fate, I've made my stances clear. I don't know where you get the impression I haven't. I've stated GI and you are town. I've stated tclawren and Kise are scum. I've stated Steph is suspicious. I've also prodded vollkan because I want an answer, and I want him to scumhunt. Could you please stick to the truth for once? I know it's hard sometimes.

Why do I have to explain why Grey is town, Fate? You didn't ask me to explain why I thought you town. As for why Kise is scum, until you produce your concise case on me, I feel no need to link you back to the post where we in detail describe what makes Kise suspicious. So, for someone all up in arms about me not reading your posts, you sure don't see to read mine.

Finally, my read on smarg is dependent on her answer. I hold out a slight hope that something will come of it DESPITE you feeling the need to intervene. Why should I accept your version of events when smarg should be telling me herself?

Actually, one more thing, where did Grey answer any questions/cases directed at us? I'd appreciate a link.

~UK

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EBWOP: Let me state that my town read of you is indeed eroding, Fate. You're pretty much at null with the ability to vary wildly based on how you post at this point. Is that not clear enough?

~UK

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Oh, I have concrete reasoning. In fact, I'm pretty sure I expressed it around the time I voted Kise. Perhaps you should just read through my ISO and tell me why I'm scum.

I'm not sure what pro town intent could possibly be behind your most recent posts, which instead of answering a reasonable question, choose to alter reality and change facts to suit your needs. And when called out on it, even change the argument. You're deflecting far more than I am.

~UK

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Fate, I'm consulting with LLD on something. Please watch warmly.

Though one thing, having the rainbow in a quoted post counts o.O?

~UK

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I shall anticipate the results of that, Fate.

SO! VV, who's scum with Fate?

~UK

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EBWOP: Same question to you, GI. I might have missed it.

~UK

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tclawren is scum.

This post is lacking a vote.

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Oh, so you're right GW. Our apologies, Steph.

~UK

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Oh. Our bad. >.<

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It would seem that way. I don't have any other games so I've just been :lazy: about switching.

~UK

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Thing is, vollk, there's a lot of substance in most of the posts you haven't even bothered to look at. Also, your self meta amuses the hell out of me. I can tell already our playstyles are going to be incompatible. I am of the school that meta only serves to justify what you are already thinking, and is more or less useless. I ignore meta arguments. So, if you want to sway me on an issue, I'd appreciate you making arguments that are only within the scope of this game. This also goes for GI and anyone else using a meta argument.

Anyway, at least you respond to Fate. Though, I don't think you've commented on the UA/Kise issue, which was kind of laid out in a reasonable fashion, as far as I remember.

Everything else is uninteresting.

~UK

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Hmm, OK. Better question. If Fate is *not* scum, who is, VV?

You've more or less only expressed a strong opinion on Fate. GI's post was appreciable because it covers a lot of people.

~UK

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@Cupcake Panda: The main problem is that the man of the hour, Fate, has to reread. Most of the activity is centering on him. I mean, I could exhort everyone to vote tclawren again if you like. But I think people are gettin' the idea, you know?

~UK

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I would, vollkan. I'd vote player X for that. (Though to be fair I'd question a meta scumtell like that to begin with, but if we're assuming that it's just completely true and no one could possibly think different, then yeah).

To be honest, every time I mod vote in a game, I fully expect to be voted for it in a justifiable way. Meta is not relevant. That said, you aren't really high on my list of people that need to die. I'd just appreciate more :effort:. Things should have calmed down enough at this point for you to make conclusion.

Hmm...I feel like there should be more to comment on but we've kind of reached a standstill, and I don't have a strong track of who's commented on what at this time. Perhaps I am due a reread sometime in the near future.

~UK

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@vollk: Well, first, I should probably make it clear that this is my personal, UK, opinion, though I think LLD is with me on some of this. Secondly, I should probably make it clear this isn't too relevant to the game, but I'm enjoying this discussion.

I don't like policy lynches. I kind of got on the chesskid one partially because of LLD, and partially because it looked interesting outside of policy reasons. So, if I were in such a situation as the elephant one, I would be voting X on grounds of scumminess. Though, as I said, the elephant scenario has the flaw of being a meta scumtell.

What I look for is scum intent. If there were some scum intent in posting elephant in your third post, I would seize upon it as a good starting point, and continue to assess everyone. I see scum intent in aloofness. If you do it all the time, that does not remove the scum intent. Is it going to mean I think you're scum forever? No. I mean, if I believed that I'd have to vote myself every game for the possible scum intent in voting the mod. Hopefully this explains why I disregard meta better than I have been.

Smarg, please answer the questions. I did indeed request you answer them anyway on the off chance something useful comes of it.

~UK

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@VV: Confirmation bias kills people. And not necessarily the right ones.

...So, let me get this straight. C-Worl is admitting at least twice that he lacks a brain? And refuses to do his own scumhunting? And is going to be even more useless than chesskid? I'm not sure whether to applaud his accomplishment or attempt to commit suicide so that my brain isn't adversely affected by such a strong aura of utter stupidity.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong C-Worl! Please, tell me you plan to do more than just sheep people providing no original content of your own.

~UK

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@VV: Explain where I'm defending Fate by asking you to produce other reads and think things through. Last I checked, asking someone to look past confirmation bias and examine the game wasn't defending someone.

Why so hung up on strawmen?

~UK

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We are not dead, but my hydra buddy and I haven't been able to discuss the game for the past couple of days. I have some thoughts but I REALLY want her input on them before I proceed to make a serious post. I apologize for the inconvenience...

~UK

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So, I'd like to request you all hold off on quicklynching someone til at least tomorrow afternoon, since LLD has had a long weekend. Tomorrow afternoon, we are going to discuss where we stand in detail and put out a post that will blow your minds.

As it stands, our initial reads are that tclawren needs to die, particularly since he magically disappeared once the pressure started easing off him, and we could go for a CupcakePanda lynch too. I personally don't buy CP's bulletproof claim for a minute, but LLD and I will go over that in greater detail together tomorrow.

~UK

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So, you three are seriously attempting to force a quicklynch when I'm asking for less than 24 hours to get caught up and give our opinions?

May I please ask what pro town goal this achieves? For having me as a town read, Fate, you sure don't seem to care about our potential opinions, which are currently leaning towards adding more credence to your pet lynches.

Are you truly so impatient as to not give ~16 to 18 hours for this?

~UK

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Well, you see, our dilemma is more difficult than yours, C-Worl. The issue here is, we have an IQ that exceeds our shoe size. So rather than going with the "in group" and not producing any pro town original opinions, we actually attempt to read the game and formulate our own reads. I know, this must be SUCH a foreign concept to one as...special as yourself, but try to bear with me here. Secondly, LLD covers gaps in my mafia play that allows us to be far more effective when we work together than in a situation where I'm acting on my own. Further, by allowing for discussion, we avoid the problems many hydras have of, you know, being as inconsistent as fuck. Finally, I'd appreciate it if you didn't trivialize problems you fail to have any understanding of, but I suppose it would be too much to expect from someone as...uncomplicated as yourself, yes.

Anyway, while we've been at it for days, you all are now attempting to shove it as a quicklynch, when we theoretically have 10 days left. Do I think we should run it to deadline? Hell no, odds are we'll be on the wagon once we've caught up and voiced our opinions, and with you yelling for the lynch. Do I think it unreasonable to ask around 18 hours for LLD and I to coordinate and produce a well thought out post of our opinions? No, not at all. And I fail to see what pro town benefit you all get from attempting to deny us such. If you'd like to elucidate, I'm listening.

~UK

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Then I'll accept your assurance, Fate. It read like you were attempting to make this go faster and ignoring my request completely, so I felt the need to restate it. To be fair, I'm usually fighting with you and forget, like, half your posts because I'm too busy trying to make a house of straw stand up .

~UK

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Oooooh~, getting touchy aren't we? Did I strike a nerve?



LLD has been busy this entire weekend. Deal with it. As for the rest of your post, perhaps you should show instead of tell. I'm rather unimpressed.

@GI: Oh, no, it's ok. I find C-Worl's reaction utterly hilarious. I bet chesskid would have rolled with it too well to be amusing, given how decently he seemed to take the blood lust for him

~UK

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All right! So, we accept our membership into the TOWN ALLIANCE, even if I'm personally uncomfortable with the skill level of my bedfellows. Regardless, for now following Fate should be all right.

Now, reads. Tclawren, as we said before, still needs to die. Also,

Mod, Prod tclawren

CupcakePanda!

I see you are voting Fate! Or were. Whaddya say about posting a case on him?

vollkan and Parama are just...bad. Whether they're bad scum or bad town has not been revealed to us yet, even with our fearless leader's insistence. Anyway, still don't by CP's bulletproof claim, nor can I say I'm impressed with what appears to be OMGUS. Fate's case also covers a lot of problematic things about CP.

After reading through the past few pages, not a whole lot stood out to us. So, there were are.

And just for Fate: QUICK! VOTES FOR CUPCAKEPANDA ARE VOTES FOR VICTORYYYYYYYYY! HE'S AT L-2, LET'S KILL HIM NOW!!!!!

Unvote, Vote CupcakePanda

~UK

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Fate, I can't help it if you're the only other person in this town alliance actually playing the game and generating reads. Kise has been less than useless and a little scummy. C-Worl...I'm not even going to bother restarting that issue. Hell, I'm probably being a little too harsh on Kise. I'm being lenient on C-Worl.

I will make my thoughts known, whether you appreciate them or not.

Parama, I know you're competent when you want to be. Your posting honestly has made me wonder if you're a survivor, given how apathetic you're being. I doubt this is REALLY the case, but that's not good town posting. But, whatever, we'll see what happens.

~UK

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I give respect to those that have earned it. I expect others to do the same, and I decide who's respect I'd like to earn. And I'll leave it at that, Fate.

GI: Could you elaborate a bit on that?

~UK

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Fate, is there a particular reason you are using massive amounts of appeasement in this game?

~LLD

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Yeah, no.

Fate, by all means lead this town and the members of this town that wish to follow you blindly.

But I am not one of them, and I will decide on my own who is scum. If I happen to agree with you, then all the better.

~LLD

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@GI: If Panda flips town, your wagon analysis will be very helpful. But for now, it's not doing a whole lot, because *we don't have flips*

...is CupcakePanda seriously self voting?
/me bangs her head against the wall

~UK

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No, actually, that needs a reaction image.

This is what I'm doing to you, Toog, in shitty really GIF format.



@GI: I disagree with some of your assessments, perhaps.

~UK

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EBWOP: Really shitty. I have no idea how those two swapped

~UK

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tclaw is busy voting vollkan, IIRC. Basically, the thing is, I have a scum read on Panda, and if C-Worl is going to vote with that, so be it, because I DO think he's town, just not very helpful town except perhaps when following Fate. Kise, I'm uncomfortable with. Parama and vollkan are BAD, but that doesn't necessarily make them scum. LLD believes vollkan to be town, at this time. I have him more at null.

I do not see how this wagon should affect my read, GI.

Also, tclawren already got prodded. I kind of asked for it in my catch up post.

Preview Edit: Oh, he's voting Fate. Yeah, still not helping GI's claim re: tclawren. As for my opinion on Toog self voting is that it's a null action but it pisses me off because he's not even TRYING anymore, regardless of town or scum. It's headache inducing.

~UK