Mafia 125: Khan's Game of Mafia (Game Over)

[Xalxe]

Deadline added to OP (5 weeks).

Also, Xalxe PMed me that he will be V/LA until 1/23 (Sunday).

But since I have no school today, I'm here for a bit.

So, thoughts on the 4 pages so far:

nocase and InHim: WTF? Don't fakeclaim post restrictions. Had I been around, I'd have voted nocase instantly. I still haven't really seen reasoning behind the fakeclaims.
DGB: DEAR GOD NOT AGAIN--er, hey there, how you doin?
Korlash: Nice to see you again. I really mean that I knew you existed and then disappeared, so hi.
Dutch one: I really, for your sake, hope you can keep up with this shit. It gets crazy fast.
Chevre: is there anywhere better your vote could be right now?
SpyreX: could you explain the Gorrad vote?

P-EDIT: DGB, I'm camping 2 hours away, hence v/la.

[Xalxe]

InHim, I can't see one of those pics.

[Xalxe]

Ah, that's better.

iam: Based upon what precisely?

[Xalxe]

DGB, do you enjoy tunnelling me? Because I'd really like to see a case this time.

[Xalxe]

Okay, rephrase:

Why is iamausername scum?

[Xalxe]

Okay, rephrase:

Why is iamausername scum?

Because he's bus'ing his buddies!

He voted Antihero with much flourish and panache, with a contrived random vote (he beat us over the head with his random-vote flavor), when the RVS was over. That's something you do when you're scum, writing a loudly non-committal post when the time to commit was NOW. The manner in which it was done suggested that he felt so intensely that he had to get his RVS distancing done, that he didn't notice his post was completely out of place.

I disconcur with your reasoning. I do not disconcur that iamausername could still be scum. I just haven't seen enough to place a vote.

Ah, that's better.

iam: Based upon what precisely?

Have a guess.

Hmmm...because you know DGB enjois tunnels on me, so you'll align with her against me?

That being said, she's doing it less this game.

SO FAR

i would appreciate it if you would refrain from distracting from the more urgent pursuit of a gorrad lynch.

I would appreciate it if somebody would explain to me just why I should vote Gorrad.

No, seriously, I don't get it.

[Xalxe]

I like this one. Can I keep him?!?

[Xalxe]

Oh DGB, you and your assuming we can read your freakish mind.

If you've got a comment, spit it out. Don't just assume we understand all your criticisms.

[Xalxe]

DGB, I notice that you are not voting currently, which I find uncharacteristic. Who do you feel deserves a vote?

[Xalxe]

Xalxe, you seemed to be worried by my vote's presence. I think I shall keep it on you a bit longer.

...

Cyberbob, I have to agree with your stance on iamausername's Post 92. Why in the world would Xalxe want to dictate why she herself was scummy? That being said, iamausername, you need to explain why you believe Xalxe to be scummy.

Er...Xalxe actually did answer iamausername's question. Xalxe, why would you do that?

1) Okay.
2) First, I’m a guy. Second, how did I dictate how I was scummy? If I did (bear with me, it’s been a bit since I read this, remember) it was to prove a point I’m sure.
3) What question? Why wouldn’t I answer it?

That being said, I don’t get this Chevre wagon---oh, wait DGB started it. Never mind, I get its baselessness now. Carry on.

I don't see the cases on Gorrad and Chevre here, can anyone help?

No one wants to step up? All I'm seeing is 1 line of nothing and a big vote on one of these 2. Honestly, these 2 are the ones making some sense here.

Dear Runner,

I like you. I don’t know why. I think you remind me of myself. I’ll help you out here.

The attitude of 90% of the players here is BWHAHAHAHAHAHA CASES STFU N00B I’M EXPERIENCED.

So yeah. Enjoy

Love,

Xalxe

Works for me.

Unvote, Vote: Chevre

Hey, Katsuki! Remember that one game...we were scum together...you posted just like this...yeah.

Post 164 of chevre’s is way too long. But I like it.

Dear nocase’s post 167&8: Please stop sucking. You live up to your name. That’s illegal.

farside22, yes, I honestly now do think my vote could be relocated. I just keep forgetting to do so, but I will not forget this time.

Unvote. Vote: Jerbs

Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Bullshit.

I like this wagon. Let’s see if it survives until page 12.

That being said, iamausername, you need to explain why you believe Xalxe to be scummy.

If you say so. I'm actually not so suspicious of Xalxe any more, his response when I asked him to produce a case on himself looks more like a town response.

As for where the suspicion came from in the first place, here is Xalxe's first post in the thread:

Deadline added to OP (5 weeks).

Also, Xalxe PMed me that he will be V/LA until 1/23 (Sunday).

But since I have no school today, I'm here for a bit.

So, thoughts on the 4 pages so far:

nocase and InHim: WTF? Don't fakeclaim post restrictions. Had I been around, I'd have voted nocase instantly. I still haven't really seen reasoning behind the fakeclaims.
DGB: DEAR GOD NOT AGAIN--er, hey there, how you doin?
Korlash: Nice to see you again. I really mean that I knew you existed and then disappeared, so hi.
Dutch one: I really, for your sake, hope you can keep up with this shit. It gets crazy fast.
Chevre: is there anywhere better your vote could be right now?
SpyreX: could you explain the Gorrad vote?

P-EDIT: DGB, I'm camping 2 hours away, hence v/la.

"Had I been around I'd have voted nocase instantly" - What was stopping him from voting nocase here? He says himself that he hasn't seen any reason for nocase/inHim's fake PRs, so if they would have earned a vote when they were made, why don't they earn a vote now?

Also, he asks Chevre if there's anywhere better he could put his vote, but Xalxe isn't using his vote at all, so maybe he should remove the plank of wood from his own eye.

---

In terms of why not now, he’s not being as dumb anymore. He would’ve gotten the vote earlier because the PR was full of shit. Now, we realize it was “a way to start the game.” I still don’t like him, but hey, he’s not today’s lynch for now.

Oh noes, the chevre wagon is dying!

Holy crap, I read all that. So then...

VOTE: Chevre

I would like explanations on their votes from the following players:

-Katsuki
-werewolf555
-iamausername
-curiouskarmadog

Failure to answer will result in bonus scumpoints. Answering for them will result in scumpoints for both.

If there are any questions I missed, or any important points that need to be brought to my attention, speak now.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe, you don't need to explain it anymore; I reread more deeply. Still, it seems you like far too much of what I'm saying/doing/what's happening to me to warrant a vote.

Only 2/3 would mean I wouldn't vote. I like what's happening to you very much. But having not read your HOLYSHITWALL and then examining later analysies (inHim I think had a good one...whoever did the color-coding), I concur with the analysts more than I do with you.

[Xalxe]

I agree with Chevre, your choice seems a bit pointless.. you're probably just voting Chevre because that is a large wagon... and I do think it isn't that coincidental that that vote is exactly what DGB likes to see.

I don't believe that I have ever attempted to seek DGB's approval.

But well done on that catch that I could be. We'll make quite a scumhunter out of you yet!

[Xalxe]

Ah, then I see that this unhelpful shortposting is a common thing with you.

That's helpful.

[Xalxe]

xalxe's posts are so cynical and sneakily light on actual scum-hunting-related content that i find it difficult to believe that they're coming from the perspective of an uninformed townie trying to find scum.

I would enjoy proof.

[Xalxe]

you annoy me; please stop posting.

You have not yet proven your point.

[Xalxe]

xalxe's posts are so cynical and sneakily light on actual scum-hunting-related content that i find it difficult to believe that they're coming from the perspective of an uninformed townie trying to find scum.

I would enjoy proof.

OK, I guess I was right in the first place. Xalxe

is

scum.

Again, case or you're talking out of your ass.

[Xalxe]

Again, case or you're talking out of your ass.

You forgot to vote Gorrad.

What's the case?!? I seriously don't get it. If ANYONE wants me to change my views, you best have backup reasoning.

[Xalxe]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

"Stop quoting laws, we carry weapons!"

- Pompey (to the defenders of a besieged city who were crying outrage)

Chevre

- 6 - Seraphim, DrippingGoofball, inHimshallibe, Jerbs, Katsuki, Xalxe

Gorrad

- 1 - SpyreX

Players not voting: Runner, Kmd4390, Korlash

Oh, that case was on GORRAD? Names in quotes help us out (protip).

If you're so convinced DGB, why aren't you voting Gorrad?

[Xalxe]

POWER WORDS 9000

^^^^
MOONBEAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: Gorrad

And the Not-Reading-The-Game Award goes to...

*slow envelope opening with crunchy paper noises right near the microphone*

Xalxe!!!

*standing ovation*

So the mod is wrong then?

Say something about it!

[Xalxe]

Now now, let's be nice here.

Remember, I had 8 pages to read yesterday. And I did ask for anyone to call important things to my attention.

[Xalxe]

DGB, in my opinion that was rash. I feel there are so many better targets, but hey, it's your shot I guess.

Just hope you hit scum. OFC, even if you didn't, you won't get in trouble for it.

[Xalxe]

I'm guessing that Dayvig was fake at this point.

[Xalxe]

Also, why do you think that, Xalxe? It's only been four hours.

Because KK has posted since

[Xalxe]

"Non decipitur qui scit se decipi:

He is not deceived who knows himself to be deceived

."

How apropro of the current situation.

[Xalxe]

I believe everyone on Seraphim and Jerbs should remove their votes and join us in lynching chevre.

[Xalxe]

@cyberbob

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

"Non decipitur qui scit se decipi:

He is not deceived who knows himself to be deceived

."

Chevre

- 6 - Seraphim, inHimshallibe, Jerbs, Katsuki, Xalxe, Cyberbob

Seraphim

- 3 - Antihero, farside22, werewolf555

Jerbs

- 2 - Chevre, Dutch one

Gorrad

- 2 - SpyreX, DrippingGoofball

Xalxe

- 1 - nocase

Antihero

- 1 - iamausername

Cyberbob

- 1 - Gorrad

Dutch one

- 1 - curiouskarmadog

Katsuki

- 1 - RedCoyote

Players not voting: Runner, Kmd4390, Korlash

Can he win the award now?

[Xalxe]

Wait, why the Seraphim switch?

I'm still content with chevre.

[Xalxe]

chevre.

Seriously.

Inhim: of your list, I would remove RC and Runner from the kill list for sure.

[Xalxe]

chevre.
Gorrad.
iamausername.
nocase.

[Xalxe]

Well, for now, just lynch chevre IMHO, mmkay?

But feel free to get other opinions.

[Xalxe]

DGB, this is the first of your posts that has made me laff.

Thanks for being amusing and correct at this point in time.

[Xalxe]

Dutch one (only because I'm a heartless meanie)

maybe surgery will help?

Less idle chitchat, more chevre lynching.

[Xalxe]

Yeah, werewolf, I've asked twice now.

Change the avvie.

Antihero: eh. Let's wait until tomorrow.

Also, vote chevre jerbs and antihero (if you're not already)

[Xalxe]

I have an idea. Let's lynch chevre!

FTFY

[Xalxe]

Would, but already am.

[Xalxe]

...

what?

No, seriously, what?

Why aren't we lynching chevre still?

No, seriously, I don't get it.

...

chevre claims vanilla (a lynchable claim btw) and then proceeds to put two sentences on most of us...

And we all remove our votes?!?

I don't get it. Maybe it'll make more sense later.

[Xalxe]

Jerbs is as town as you are.

explain to me why

This, mostly because I disagree.

[Xalxe]

That's it?

[Xalxe]

iaun, what is it you want from me? Truly. I've said before that I agree with the cases that have been presented, and where necessary, I've commented on new information, which chevre has mostly failed to present.

I firmly believe that not everybody needs to provide a full PBPA on everyone they vote for. In some cases, it's all been said already. This is one of those times.

However, I now think that you are town due to your attitude that one of Gorrad or chevre is our lynch, and everyone else should get their votes off them. That's something I'm rather fond of insisting as town.

[Xalxe]

@ Mod: please also prod Seraphim

[Xalxe]

*grumble*

[Xalxe]

iamausername, that doesn't really help anything. Could you please explain it?

Also, along this new theme we've got, I applaud Dutch one for disagreeing with the current wagon.

[Xalxe]

DGB, I appreciate and concur with your sentiments. But really, can we put a vote on somebody who is capable of getting lynched today?

PS: This goes for all of you "oh, I see the great wagons going on but I'm going to Vote: Random because I hate them." That's not conducive to the town's wincon.

[Xalxe]

DGB, if I (against my judgement) vote for Gorrad, will you?

[Xalxe]

Hmm...not really the answer I wanted from you DGB.

[Xalxe]

You say...

as you post...

I would so vote you if it would actually help anything.

[Xalxe]

CKD: I was hoping to find either a "yes, abosolutley vote: gorrad" so that she would be obvscum looking for a good way to switch her vote, or a "no way, that won't change anything" to prove she's town. Instead, she just sat on the fence for me.

[Xalxe]

RC, I'm not quite sure what you mean. If it's the short nature of my posts, that's fairly in line for me. I don't do wall-o-text posts unless I'm trying to majorly get a conviction on someone the rest of the players isn't considering.

That being said, I'm iffy on the werewolf wagon. I will reread soon and see if it justifies a vote.

[Xalxe]

Gorrad, nocase is one of those "interesting candidate, but not today" lynches.

[Xalxe]

Because that worked

so

well last time.

[Xalxe]

I can't wait to see the flip. Sorry, I'm impatient.

Dayvig: KMD

[Xalxe]

EBWOP: Hi PokerFace!

[Xalxe]

My issue with this wagon is that I read werewolf as town. That being said, a lynch is better than no lynch.

I doubt this will survive the 22 days until deadline though.

[Xalxe]

My issue with this wagon is that I read werewolf as town. That being said, a lynch is better than no lynch.

I doubt this will survive the 22 days until deadline though.

I would also be ok with some pressure here too..

why exactly do you have werewolf as town?...what is your opinion has he done that deserves that?

It's not what he has done, but what he hasn't.

I've seen no convincing scumtells, no dodging questions, nothing that would ordinarily cause me to place a vote on someone.

[Xalxe]

CKD, no. Just no. You're strawmanning my argument.

When werewolf posts, which I admit is not as frequently as some, it has never been a post that I have taken issues with. Quite frankly, I don't understand how his wagon started, and it seems like scum has just taken it for a ride.

[Xalxe]

CKD, no. Just no. You're strawmanning my argument.

When werewolf posts, which I admit is not as frequently as some, it has never been a post that I have taken issues with. Quite frankly, I don't understand how his wagon started, and it seems like scum has just taken it for a ride.

unvote, vote Xalxe

starting to think that ww is going to flip town.

there is nothing in his posts that are town or town like..on the other hand, his posts do look like scum trying to fly under the radar...he votes, but with each vote it is with some recycled reasoning....if he was just bandwagoning to bandwagon that would be fine Day 1...but he is not doing that.

there is absolutely NO REASON for Xalxe to say he is town in the face of that...you are either scum trying to buy cred from a townie lynch...or scum WITH ww trying to protect him (though doubtful)..either way, you are scummy

Please explain how I, as scum, would buy town cred by lynching a townie. In addition, please explain why I, as scum, would not bus werewolf (a fairly easy task IMHO) and gain town cred that way?

[Xalxe]

CKD, no. Just no. You're strawmanning my argument.

When werewolf posts, which I admit is not as frequently as some, it has never been a post that I have taken issues with. Quite frankly, I don't understand how his wagon started, and it seems like scum has just taken it for a ride.

unvote, vote Xalxe

starting to think that ww is going to flip town.

there is nothing in his posts that are town or town like..on the other hand, his posts do look like scum trying to fly under the radar...he votes, but with each vote it is with some recycled reasoning....if he was just bandwagoning to bandwagon that would be fine Day 1...but he is not doing that.

there is absolutely NO REASON for Xalxe to say he is town in the face of that...you are either scum trying to buy cred from a townie lynch...or scum WITH ww trying to protect him (though doubtful)..either way, you are scummy

Please explain how I, as scum, would buy town cred by lynching a townie. In addition, please explain why I, as scum, would not bus werewolf (a fairly easy task IMHO) and gain town cred that way?

Thanks for not answering the question. I appreciate it.

And nope. Don't have one.


use your second question to answer the first, scum bag...

can you please provide me a link to one of your scum games.

[Xalxe]

so you dont understand how you would by town cred by saying you didnt want to lynch ww (if he flips town) tomorrow, but you do understand how you would by town cred as scum, lynching a scum buddy (if he flips scum)....???

I dont believe it for a second.

ahhhh, missed the join date...have you played mafia anywhere else or are you a complete noob?

I still think that I am "suspect" thanks to you, so I have no reason not to hop on the werewolf wagon as scum. Plus, I'm not truly defending him, just stating why I won't vote him.

No, and no.

[Xalxe]

Please note that I am not a new player, and feel demeaned when I am treated as such.

[Xalxe]

So, imaginary scenario where I am scum with werewolf:

You all vote him. 8 out of 11 is fairly irretrievable, no? With the way I play, I would express my doubts BUT THEN JUMP ON THE WAGON by saying you convinced me, thus allowing me to shift the blame to you tomorrow.

However, I instead am not voting him.

[Xalxe]

Yabbs, while the triple post was unnecessary, I concur. I've been preaching this for pages.

[Xalxe]

I believe everyone on Seraphim and Jerbs should remove their votes and join us in lynching chevre.

RC, this is from page 16. Nice try.

[Xalxe]

/lazy + busy

How many votes does werewolf have now?

[Xalxe]

UPDATED UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT THAT MAY BE FLAWED:

werewolf: 8 (RC, Dutch one, farside, ckd, Chevre, nocase, inhim, Korlash)
RC: 1 (Weatherman)
DGB: 1 (Kmd)
Gorrad: 5 (DGB, cyberbob, SpyerX, iaun, Antihero)
Chevre: 3 (Seraphim, yabba, Xalxe)
nocase: 2 (werewolf, Gorrad)

Not voting: Po-po-po-pokerface

[Xalxe]

alright I am caught up..

i dont understand the gorrad wagon...AT ALL

It's the one with

CLOWNS

, dammit!

Damn straight it is.

[Xalxe]

I like Weatherman; he always appears to be right so far.

[Xalxe]

I am willing to vote for/hammer Gorrad post-claim. I believe this wagon is better than the werewagon.

Also, hi Xtoxm! Star-studded playerlist in here much?

[Xalxe]

I'll let DGB take this one.

P-edit: dammit

[Xalxe]

Okay, why don't you agree with my choice?

[Xalxe]

Okay, backtrack, which two wagons are you referring to?

[Xalxe]

Okay, then answer my question, this time understanding that "my choice" now refers to Gorrad.

[Xalxe]

Your logic is flawed.

[Xalxe]

CKD: no, I am saying that the logic expressed in that post is invalid, so your other logic had better hold up.
RedCoyote: I have stated multiple times that I do not agree with the werewagon. I am also of the opinion that those of us on minority wagons (chevre, seraphim, nocase, etc) should move their votes to more productive wagons. Thus, if needed, I will transfer my vote to Gorrad while understanding that he is not my top suspect.

[Xalxe]

When you say "you are voting with her," you imply that Dutch one has chosen to vote for Gorrad due to the fact that DGB is voting for Gorrad. Instead, Dutch one is hopping off the dying wagon onto one with, according to DGB, clowns.

I can vote with someone I believe is scum (and I may be, I don't remember) as long as the person I'm voting for is also on my scumlist.

*checks* Ah, yes, there's nocase riding along on the Gorrad wagon too.

[Xalxe]

Oh, I concur that he is votehopping. Possibly the issue is that I misunderstood/misinterpreted your statement, but I believe we are on the same page now.

[Xalxe]

Bah!

Go me!

[Xalxe]

Bah! Go me!

[Xalxe]

Night 2
Antihero (RB) -> Roleblocks -> Cyberbob (Goon)
Xtoxm (Hider) -> Hides Behind -> curiouskarmadog (MSB) {Xtoxm dies}
RedCoyote (Vig) -> Kills -> Dutch one (VT)
iamausername (MA) -> Kills -> nocase (VT)

I am sure I am missing something..how did i die night 2?

I came back from the dead. And killed you.

(dunno)

[Xalxe]

DGB is trying to make me wear a spongebob avatar because of this game.

Make her stop!

[Xalxe]

Where the hell do you get Bundy from Xalxe/Spongebob/Gaga?