Speed Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[xRECKONERx]

I'm sorry, do you have important tags around shit that you want me to respond to?

PS, no, I'm not trying to "probe alignment" because YOU ARE CONFIRMED SCUM and YOU WERE CONFIRMED SCUM BEFORE I COULD EVEN POST TODAY

[Amrun]

Nothing I have ever done in this game (or any) makes me confirmed scum.

And obviously the part where you say something totally incorrect to make me look bad and then I correct you is the unimportant part that you don't respond to, right?

[xRECKONERx]

You did not suspect Juls at the end of the day, and I wasn't like "lol idk really" at the end of the day, either.

This part? It doesn't matter who was suspected at the end of the day because we all had our reads... but Juls & I flung shit at each other. Juls also flung shit at you.

[xRECKONERx]

Nothing I have ever done in this game (or any) makes me confirmed scum.

I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM MY GODDAMNED PERSPECTIVE
WHERE JULS DIDN'T HAMMER
MAKING HER CONFIRMED TOWN
AND I KNOW I'M TOWN
THEREFORE
YOU
ARE
SCUM

[Juls]

Amrun, its a bit hypocritical what you are saying that Reck was hedging his bets because one big problem I have with you right now is this yesterday:

I want to lynch Lowell and I think that will end the game.

I DON'T think Juls is scum, but it's not mylo yet. If Juls isn't scum, I feel like we have a decent chance of hitting scum tomorrow.

BUT THEN AGAIN

KATSUKI HAS SHENANIGANS WITH LOWELL

VOTE: kanye

[Juls]

Reckoner, a big problem I have with you right now is what tajo brought up when admitting his gambit: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3065545 . He called you out specifically for being too informed.

Now here is my problem: C-Worl was pushing hard to lynch Amrun. It's not a good bus in that situation because it wouldn't make him obvtown when she flipped scum and he would have been last scum. You also wanted to lynch Amrun first. From a scum perspective, you would want Amrun lynched first so that we would hit tajo the next day thus wasting two lynches on town. Also, Amruns reactions were so strong that she would be vindicated. I am trying to wrap my head around how scum would do that.

[Amrun]

Honestly, I tried to lynch Lowell yesterday and you guys weren't having it. But yes, once again, I should have trusted myself more, even though both ended up being bad choices. On day one, I shouldn't have let Katsuki's claim defer me. This is the lesson I am learning from this game, which is a good one to learn.

[xRECKONERx]

And I've yet to see why I was so "informed" in the whole tajo debacle.

And if you're going to go with not-bussing being a town tell welllll uhhhhh I pushed fucking hard for Katsuki's lynch D1 AND D2 and I was the first person to submit an actual case on C-Worl and wound up pushing momentum forward on him and then SpyreX's track result got him lynched.

Please. Tell me how any of the above is pro-town.

Also C-Worl pushing Amrun is not a town tell it's WIFOM as hell just like Katsuki claiming to hide behind Lowell was too

[Juls]

well, which ever one of you it is, you played a good game. I almost want to flip a coin to be honest....

Amrun, explain in what world I would not be confirmed town after not hammering after your vote at the beginning of the day?

[xRECKONERx]

She already answered that she thought you were WIFOMing maybe

Which is probably the worst answer I've ever heard

[Amrun]

In a world where I am very silly.

I realized later that I was being so paranoid that it entered the realm of crazyville. Hence lesson etc

[Juls]

Alright, I am going to hammer. I am probably going to be wrong and I am going to pre-apologize to everyone and likely be the goat of the game.

Will there be any hard feelings from either or you? Will either of you call me dumb?

[xRECKONERx]

I'll rage if we lose. I'll call you dumb for a bit. But I'll get over it.

But I'd prefer not to lose.

Whatever, just do it.

[Juls]

I could make a case for you both being scum and I could make a case for you both being town. Amrun has been BAD today but I just don't think it was manufactured in the tajo gambit.

Vote Reckoner

Sorry if I am wrong.

[evilpacman18]

Doubt you are.

[Patrick]

Final Votecount

xRECKONERx (2) -- Amrun, Juls
Amrun (1) -- xRECKONERx

Not voting: Nobody
3 alive, 2 to lynch

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xRECKONERx - Mafia Encryptor - lynched day 9

Amrun - Vanilla Townie - Survived
Juls - Vanilla Townie - Survived

Town wins! More details to follow shortly.

[Juls]

Well that is a relief!

[evilpacman18]

Well then. Sorry I was wrong about you, Juls :p

[xRECKONERx]

Things I should say, probably in reverse order:

#1) Juls, that hammer was bad. It caught scum, maybe, but you never gave a case on me even when I asked for it, and Amrun fucked up the entire game and was also scummy the entire game. That wasn't so much an endgame as it was just you flipping a coin. I feel a little bit robbed. I didn't bring you to endgame to manipulate you -- I actually was going to push for your lynch today.

#2) Amrun, your play on D9 was absolutely horrendous and the most anti-town townie play I've seen in a very long time.

#3) Please, Patrick, explain to me how this setup was balanced in the slightest. Mafia was all goons plus an encryptor (who is basically just a goon anyway) versus a jailkeeper, a rolecop, and TWO trackers. Those two trackers completely screwed us over and got two of our own people killed. We had no way to counter town power, and we had no way of gaining information from town. All in all, this setup pretty much sucked.

#4) If the scum made a single bad play, it was the Katsuki hard bus on D1. That, however, should not have lost us the game.

#5) I can't help but feel I got screwed in the department of scumbuddies. The QT was mostly barren and empty, and when lurker-WD replaced out, I instead got C-Worl McDerpington as my buddy. I'm not claiming to be a great player, but there wasn't a way for me to defend ANY of my buddies: Katsuki scum slipped, Ludi got tracked, and C-Worl got tracked.

Overall, I blame the setup (mostly) for this loss. I do not think I played poorly, here, but I do think town having three investigative roles and scum having zero power roles was really fucked up.

[Juls]

I did not flip a coin for the record. And it was less about what you did and more about the authenticity of Amrun's reaction to the tajo gambit. Give me a little more credit please. I agonized over this for 2 days.

[AlmasterGM]

*WHEW*

I was sweating buckets at the end. Great call, Juls (obviously). That said, Reck's play was amazing. If the rest of the scumteam hadn't been WOOOSH scum probably woulda won this.

[xRECKONERx]

One single reaction outweighs the other 60-odd pages of the game?

If you're going on scummy actions, then Amrun opening the day by immediately voting IS NOT town play.

PREDIT: Thanks AGM.

[Juls]

Reck, if you want to call me "bad" that's fine. I think it's pretty shitty of you but whatever.

[Katsuki]

I didn't scumslip until you started bussing. I made a statement that I would have made regardless of alignment, that you decided to bus with.

Meh, gg.

[Juls]

I'm still not sure why you brought me along as long as you did and especially to bring me to 3-way with LYLO who I single handedly stopped from being lynched on D1