Large Normal 132: Desert Mafia (Over!)

[gorilla]

Let's see who actually remembers this game. I almost forgot my role in the time it took to start.

[gorilla]

Hi Gorilla! Post thoughts now?

I'm thinking you need to start posting content instead of whitenoise junk, and the fact that you're asking others for thoughts but not really following up on the questions makes me think you're scum

leaning scum on scott for the dumb outrage/push on the hydra.

silver reads more noob than scummy

I don't get why DK was made to claim on page 1, that was really dumb

I don't have anyone else I particularly feel like commenting on atm

[gorilla]

because I don't feel like it right now

[gorilla]

I misremembered how things went, w/e

just because someone else said it doesn't make it true: you've been posting for the sake of posting. I'm lurking in the early stages of day 1 and I don't care how you perceive me for it, I'll comment when I see fit.

[gorilla]

I care about this game, I just don't feel like voting. You misunderstand me. I suggest you look for scum elsewhere.

[gorilla]

Ranmaru, I read page one when the thread opened and thought mastin had goaded DK into claiming, not that DK had offered to claim. I hadn't re-read that page when I posted again.

I think you're annoying, possibly scum as I said earlier.

Thank you for explaining my motivations to me, I like others to tell me what I'm doing because I'm not aware myself. I'll post when there's something for me to say. Yawn.

preview-edit: DK, I just don't always get into games right away with the voting and the arguing etc. A number of players have yet to post and I don't feel like my reads will be worthwhile until things get moving. I figured this game I'd wait with my vote until I have decent reason, and just talk until then.

[gorilla]

I read the game you replaced me in where you were far from an active poster (lol). you didn't ask for a reason, you asked for my thoughts, I gave you them. when I say possible scum, I mean I had a scum lean on you.

I'm saying your representation of me is inaccurate and silly

You're actually coming off as more badtown than scum right now though, contrary to my initial impression

[gorilla]

honestly ir looks like a town reaction to me

a really bad town reaction, but town

not definitely town but it seems like real frustration. I don't want to vote him right now.

[gorilla]

VOTE: winger

[gorilla]

no not really he's scum he made a scum post, I don't care if you think otherwise

[gorilla]

because he makes scummy posts, especially the one he just made, posted after I made that post. that's not a town question. reads have evolved since that post. you're more likely to just be a dumb townie aggressively tunneling on me because you don't like my play moreso than you are scum now, in my opinion. I already said that.

[gorilla]

ranmaru:

winger has 4 posts. his first two posts didn't catch my attention, his most recent one did.

still have a slight scum lean on scott, nothing has particularly changed since then for me to comment on it. I don't have a strong enough read there to vote him, and I do have a strong enough read to vote winger.

I'm just being honest: you are tunneling aggressively on minutiae with bad reasoning just because i self-professed to being lazy and being annoyed by your posting.

do I really have to explain everything to you? rather than explaining or defending himself he asks "omg why am i scum"

this is not hard

[gorilla]

I haven't posted in a while so I'm due for one

Slaxx makes a strong case on ranmaru, actually. encapsulates why I had initially suspected ranmaru so much but wasn't able to articulate it

winger is still hella scummy, the weak rhetorical press for reasons reads very much to me as dismissive scum

regfan and slaxx are giving me far too much credit for my opening post and they should know why

nothing else particularly catching my attention even though I know there's a bunch of posters I've read very little into. Bah. no focus this game.

[gorilla]

so no, no new thoughts. I hope you're upset.

[gorilla]

winger is still hella scummy, the weak rhetorical press for reasons reads very much to me as dismissive scum

Did you really just insinuate asking for reasons/explanations on votes is scummy?
*facepalm*

In a semi-dismissive sort of way, yes.

[gorilla]

what the fuck

what the fuck

what

the

fuck

UNVOTE:

[gorilla]

I totally missed all the action in this thread while I was out for game night, I haven't really caught up but going to work on getting reads

to answer the question from reck way back that I never got a chance to answer: I dropped the case on you when you outed yourself because I no longer perceived my read of you as scum to be valid: unless you were trying to act like newbiescum, my reasons for suspecting you were incorrect.

[gorilla]

well I went the route of insomnia

Reck's list is a good list, silver is (probably) town so cross him off for today

I was totally ignoring the khan/mastin spat on day 1, not going to lie - I had no intention to pay attention to it. RP called it a waste of time, though, which probably means one of them is scum

re-reading says to me I would most be willing to wagon khan, scott, or mana(pine) off that list

[gorilla]

because he's v/la

[gorilla]

keep it civil please I don't want obvtown getting modkilled for breaking rule 9

To be fair, I've only threatened to force-replace for that.

VOTE: scott

I don't have much of the way in reassons here, it's kinda process of elims + khan not being here but hey I'll move my vote to khan as soon as he's actually here to respond. in the meantime, might as well hear from someone else instead of sitting on my hands.

[gorilla]

silver I'm going to try to be as polite as possible because I believe you are town and I do not want to upset you, but it's page 34 and day 2 - have you been reading the thread at all? When won't it be too "early on" to vote? do you have anyone you suspect? do you have any opinion on khan? scott? mastin? me? play the game, damn it

[gorilla]

Yeah. Waiting for Khan is dull. Does Pine know he's in this game?

Pine knows that another player in this game has a blood vendetta against him. We're searching for a different replacement.

[gorilla]

why do you think inhim is scum

this is relevant to my interests

[gorilla]

reading things over, I like the inhim case and wagon better than the khan one. wish i had more to offer than that, but yeah. re-reading it sort of looked like prematurely setting things up against khan. and nah, I'll settle for addressing mastin/khan later, when I'm ready to.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: IHSB

that's L-1

[gorilla]

I feel like I should post but I don't have anything to say

[gorilla]

nah I don't think scott is scum with khan

pine maybe
hiraki maybe
skyquiem maybe

everyone else, ehh probably not

but please no one quickhammer today

[gorilla]

I have my reasons, okay

[gorilla]

silver already claimed VT day 1. I need to re-read, something is worrying me.

[gorilla]

I say just popcorn it, slaxx can choose who claims next.

[gorilla]

I'm Vanilla Townie, which is sort of obvious from my opening post because i obviously didn't have any night 0 results PM or anything to remind me of such

I'd prefer Scott goes next, assuming he doesn't take too long to show up to the thread.

[gorilla]

kind of want to hold my thoughts until claims are done, but i am paranoid because i fell onto the inhim lynch like a fool and basically let the mastin lynch happen instead of expressing my doubt, and that it's possible something is being overlooked here. i don't really know what though. i need to reassess my reads and such

[gorilla]

(it's entirely possible that scott isn't legit, you know)

[gorilla]

overall play + him gambiting and outing RP day 1. I mean, we know he's done that sort of gambit as scum before, but the difference is that this time it doesn't look feigned and his reaction to its success is pretty town

there's other stuff too but that's the example that comes to mind for me

[gorilla]

I am fine with voting silver today, even if he is town he is a potential liability in lylo especially if hiraki is also town

I really don't believe scott's claim at all, though

Vote Count

• silver1337 - 2 (Hiraki, slaxx)
  

With 7 players, it takes

4

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-07-12 00:00:00)

[gorilla]

actually no fuck it, i just woke up at 4:30 AM to post this because scott's claim doesn't make sense

copping sky n1? what?

not using a watcher power on ranmaru n1?

a joat with a commuter ability, really?

i am not buying this.

VOTE: scott

[gorilla]

Okay fine, silver isn't doing shit anyway and we have a few days to deadline BUT SCOTT IS SCUM

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Silver

[gorilla]

We did mass claim yesterday. I'm going to assume it's lylo. This is probably my first real time at lylo as town in a forum game (not counting the hydra games, regfan), so I'm nervous, going to take it slow.

I will however state my immediate concern: as I said yesterday, I find scott's claim to be suspect. This is further reinforced by the idea that if I am to believe his claim, I have to accept a pine-hiraki scumteam, which right now I do not see as being particularly likely.

[gorilla]

I am JOAT. I have three abilities, I have only used two. It does not make sense for me to use the third one until I claimed. That is all I will say about my last power.

I did nothing N0.

N1 I copped Sky and got an innocent result.

N2 I watched DK, nobody visited him.

I'm still torn on Silver. I highly doubt scum claims VT unprovoked D1. It just doesn't feel right.

Slaxx and Sky are 99.9% town. That leaves probably 2 scum in gorilla, Pine, Hiraki, silver. I need to reread these four.

Slaxx: I was never on the IHSB wagon. I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

for your convenience

[gorilla]

also, his supposed last power is a commuter ability, which sort of smacks of 'scum looking for an easy out as to why they're alive'

I basically just want to make sure you're not scum with Pine

[gorilla]

So my biggest hangup, right here, as I see it, is that everyone has been screaming pinetown and I'm not particularly seeing it from his postings. Still, he's not who I have to decide on today.

Same time, reading through scott's ISO, he kept parking his vote on Khan but never really gave a case for it while the town went and mislynched twice. Gives me the impression of scum bussing.

hiraki looks the most town out of anyone so far, will get around to reading sky as well as phoenix and khan.

[gorilla]

how likely would you consider the possibility of the following teams, regfan:

hiraki/pine (have my own read on this one after some ISO skims but I want you to answer this)
me/hiraki
me/pine

[gorilla]

3 mafia is standard for a mini normal, 3 mafia with 5 PRs seems off to me. We've mislynched thrice, gained an extra mislynch through DK but empking's vig either got blocked or never went off. I'd be honestly surprised if this weren't lylo.

Saw Pine lurking yesterday but he didn't post. Disappointed. We have a 7 day deadline so it's not really the time to be sitting around. I'm probably going to vote later tonight or tomorrow and take my chance, if I'm wrong I'm fine with taking the blame for it.

[gorilla]

I'll take my chances. I don't believe scott's claim for reasons I believe I have outlined. If it happens to be a Hiraki/Pine scumteam, I'm fine with taking the blame. Activity levels disappointing.

VOTE: Scott

[gorilla]

really, calling me for bussing? w/e I'm not going to bother with trying to argue with you today (I don't actually think you and scott are likely to be a team but I'm not going to explain why)

sky, the only way there could be a blitz here is if hiraki/pine is the scumteam (from my POV anyway) and if so, I'm not unvoting anyway. The game deadline is only 7 days and I'm not letting the scum run the clock if this is lylo. Take a look back at scott's claim, tell me if you think it's legit because I think not watching the claimed bodyguard n1 is not very believable and his overall weak voting of khan while failing to provide any case or push looks like scum bussing. It should not take you this long.

[gorilla]

I don't see a change of attitude. I see him barely mentioning you and maybe mentioning you as town in one place or another. For me to not vote scott, you're going to have to sell me on hiraki/pine as a scumteam althought given hiraki's play so far i feel more like he's playing to idiotic town meta with his tunneling of silver. overall the reads of people who died leaned more on scott scum than either of pine/hiraki and atm I trust their judgment more than mine. I have no desire to rush it but you're going to have to start showing content.

UNVOTE:

[gorilla]

Sky I have some suspicion of you but I'm not going to fucking address it today because the only way you can be scum is contingent on scott flipping scum so you're off the table, and assuming scott's scum I'm not going to bother outing any other suspicion because the last scum will just be able to play off that. If we're both alive in lylo, believe me, I can show you paranoid.

[gorilla]

VCs are at the top of every page.

[gorilla]

it's not that watching the claimed JK is suspicious, it's that not watching the claimed bodyguard n1 (mafia are going to shoot the bodyguard before the jailkeeper). overall claim is implausible.

Vote Count

• Scott Brosius - 1 (Pine)
  

With 5 players alive, it takes

3

to lynch.

[gorilla]

...because how are they going to shoot the jailkeeper with the bodyguard around?

[gorilla]

So, You'd be okay if I hammered you right now, then? Because I'm very tempted to.

[gorilla]

Time's up. I'll take my chances here, haven't seen anything that would change my mind.

VOTE: scott

If this is game over I sincerely apologize but I have put thought into this and I think most would make the same decision - but I'll feel like hell because I've already messed up a bunch.

[gorilla]

oh my god what a relief

apologies for being so derp for most of this game

i definitely think reck pulling the d1 lynch onto scum helped steer the course of the game so that even with all the mislynches that were so terrible in hindsight we were able to win

[gorilla]

I will do my best to never play with Silver1337 again after this. I still really believed him to be town at the end there but he was such a liability since I was assuming 2 scum left the whole time and he wasn't even playing the game. eugh.

enjoyed playing with everyone else though!

[gorilla]

I don't care what game you're focused on, it is never acceptable to post things like this:

/post

if you can't think of anything else to say, then you need to ask to be replaced because it pretty much ruins the game for everyone else to have to deal with someone who isn't even trying.